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Jeanne, you are so smart, glad you are here! Thank you, kimbee
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Lisa, there may indeed be a next time, when Mary will need to be hospitalized and in restraints, etc. But also it may never happen again, or not again for many years. If there is a next time, you'll all be better able to cope and to know a little better what to expect. But, at least in my experience with dementia, the present demands so much attention that it just doesn't pay to look ahead too far or to try to predict what might or might not happen again. One day at a time. One crisis at a time. And cherish every momemt that has anything at all cherishable in it.

Hugs to you.
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Oh Dear!
{{hugs!}}}
You are doing an epic job of care-giving!

HOW do caregivers protect themselves from accusations of elder abuse, by the elders, or from distant relatives who have not been present to see for themselves?!
When it is 1:1, it seems to become a "he said, she said" argument.

Don't they need proof?
Or is it like CPS--they move the kids/elder out to protect them, THEN ask questions?
IF they do that, doesn't someone file a complaint and it becomes a formal file against the caregiver?
[[dang! If I had known that, I would have let them do that--it would have gotten Mom outta here sooner! ]]
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Omg Judy!! Turd flurry? Fecal dusting? Hahaha, thank you girl! It feels so dam good to laugh this hard. I read it to Doug and Jen. Same with them.
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Judy, sil had just pulled in the drive from Alabama as the emt's were working on Mary in the ambulance. They didn't know she was coming. It was a surprise. What a shock for her. She went home just this morning. She stayed this whole week to help with everything. Her husband died last may from a heart attack. He was only 56. He was a baptist minister. Had diabetes and was on list for kidney transplant. She brought him home to bury him. Then she had to rush back to Alabama, because their first grandchild was born two days after we buried him. I visit his grave once a month and take flowers from my own flower beds and send her a picture each time. I never really understood why she wanted me to send pics, but she told me she dosen't feel so much like she's abandoned him. But if it comforts her I'm there. It started because she hadn't been able to get back home to see the stone she ordered for his grave and I went there with flowers and sent her a picture of it. She's been thru so much. She took care of so many things before she left.

Emjo, Beth hasn't been to see gma yet. These situations scare her so badly. She called me one evening while in icu. Told her we were cutting gams toenails and having a hard time. Next morning I woke up and a pair of new toe nail clippers were on the table with my keys on top. Next evening a new house coat. she heard Doug and I talking that sil's and I were going to penny's to get her a new house coat. Beth loves her dearly, this is just her way of coping. She has tomorrow off, so she is going with Doug and bandit to take her the Sunday paper. And Jen? She has cried so much. She was at the hospital minutes before we got there that night. My sil's daughter too. Both girls very close to gma. Both girls couldn't handle the scenes, so they didn't return for a few days. When Mary asked Jen how the kids were doing, and she hoped she would bring them to see her soon, Jen just broke. But girls, she went right along with it and told her they were fine and she would bring them to see her soon. Then she looks at other granddaughter and tells her she needs to settle down and start a family. She is actually the one who has children. So we got to watch them LAUGH thru their tears in the waiting room. Then my niece asked Jen if that means she's has custody for the weekend.

Sorry girls. Couple questions and there I go rambling on and on. It just feels good to talk. So now I'm just so relaxed tonite and hitting all your threads to catch up on YOUR days this last week. Love you all sooo much, KAW member!!
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Darn it, lost my post. Guess I am supposed to be quiet? Impossible. You all just make my day: love all the comments, every one of them. Lisa, glad things are going better with Mary. And glad you are handling things so well. The Kick Ass Force is clearly in you, with you, and behind you! luv, hugs and more prayers to you all. Kimbee
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Oh my, Lisa - crimes against seniors - how about crimes against middle agers?
DQ can scream whatever her crazy mind makes up, but it won't go very far. As for the nephew - I suppose the stories are growing. You have better things to do.
So glad Mary is improved. I think you are right that there will be a next time, unfortunately.That sil is doing well. I am sure Doug and the other sil will come around. It is a hard adjustment. What a caring man Doug is! Again - all of you are awesome. How are Beth and Jen doing in all of this? And how is Jen and her meds and how is the house hunting?
Hope the little monsters on the bus are reasonable - you don't need a lot more drama at this point. ((((((((((((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))))))))))))) and love Joan
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Well, I'm hoping this shit storm you have on the horizon is just a little turd flurry, just a mere fecal dusting, and not the full on shit hurricane your mom can blow up. I'm glad your mil ate, and I'm, as always, amazed at what a sweetheart Doug is. You sound good, Lisa. You sound upbeat. Makes me smile.You've got a great family. Sil from Alabama - can she stay for a while?
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Soooo, I get on the phone to get my messages and log on to tell you about the latest shit storm coming and I can't stop laughing. You guys are so dam funny at times.
Message left at 4:30 yesterday. " hello, this message is for Lisa. This is t from crimes against seniors. If you could please return my call." next message 30 minutes later, " hello, this is detective $&@$&@$&@ from fraud unit trying to reach Lisa ford. I'm trying to figure out the situation with the nephew who stole your mothers debit card. If you could please return my call at......
Can you believe this crap??? What now? I expected to most likely hear from detectives, but case worker from cas. That one stumps me. I haven't seen DQ, so she surely can't scream abuse. I'm sure her cable and Internet are working just fine. :)))). Guess Monday will tell. No worry or stress about it. It's just a pain in the ass.
Mary update: better every day. Visiting nurse came today. Blood pressure is fine. I was given a chance to see just how bruised she is from the heart cath, and where they had to restrain her. If I hadn't been there to see how gentle she was handled during the restraints I would have been horrified and ready to scream abuse I think. All of us know this was all Mary fighting it every chance she got. It was so horrible to see her like that. I shouldn't think like this, but I'm certain there will be a next time. And it will be just as hard to watch. She is so weak and it's heartbreaking to see her tear up in frustration. She's always been so strong and taking care of everyone around her, and now she's the one who needs our care. I'm so proud of my sil. Mary told her friend of 40 years when she came to visit last night she is completely cancer free now. Sil never corrected her one time. She just looked at me and smiled sadly. My sil from Alabama is the strong one. Doug and other sis are having such a hard time accepting this. Doug and I made a grocery list for them when we went over for nurses visit. She made sure he knew to bring her pizza. So instead of the frozen, he called in for her fav pizza and we picked it up on way from grocery. Swear youda thought it was Christmas. She had two slices. More than she's eat in one sitting in weeks. We put groceries away and I noticed he only got them a half gallon of milk. I asked why he didn't get the gallon cause they would run out. He just grinned and said that was his excuse for dropping by Wednesday and her not accuse him of treating her like a child who couldn't take care of herself. Hahaha. God, I love this man!!! Hell yeah Doug!!! said he's already thought of more excuses to pop in. Sending all of you our love!!!
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OMG, I can't keep up! Cat, I'm sorry about your sister and for your dad. I'm glad you could rant with us. Here's mine: Lisa, I'm sorry about Matthew not having time (busy, I can tell) or ability (can you say truly limited?) to read your entire thread and that he put you down. The NERVE. He or she obviously did not realize you are God's love and grace in it's purest form and that you have done EVERY loving thing possible to help mom, and that God sent you many angels to help him get her where she may be able to HEAR Him, and to have a chance to face her self in reality and in God's love. I recall something about God's omniscience and omnipotence here. Anyone who has followed your powerful story knows that God is busy working on DQ Mom and has it all under control. I saw a typo that I loved, "Mattew" because it reminded me of a great true story someone once relayed to me. Please indulge me here, it's long but it went something like this: My friend grew up in a very rough inner-city getto housing project, obtained advanced education, a successful professional career, and spouse with same. When children were about pre-teen to young teenagers, family took a trip that included showing where my friend grew up in the "projects" (totally foreign to them) with a pep talk about the power of education and helping others up and out of difficulties, etc. As leaving the "old neighborhood" area in the bitter cold of winter, they stopped at fast food place. One parent and child went inside, the other parent and child stayed in the car. At next parking space over were two young boys (about 2 and 3 yrs old) in car alone, no parent or older sibling present, car running to keep children warm. Mr. 2yr old began to play "driving" the car with great vigor. Doing so he worked up a sweat, took his big snow-suit like coat off, then resumed his "driving," turning the steering wheel, changing radio stations, and eventually rolling down the windows in the 8 or 10 degree weather. My friend became concerned for the child, rolled down their window a bit, and said "hey, you better roll that window up, before your MOMMA comes back, it's COLD outside." The 2 year old's response? "FUT EW" Shocked and mortified, my friend rolled up the window as their 14 year old laughed in shock at what the little boy said to her parent. So, I'm sorry but FUT EW, came to mind when "Matt ew" appeared. I thought you all might enjoy that story. Love you my kick ass friends. Back later, kim
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The Clan of the KAW... omg... excuse the pun....lol, poor person..... but I like how you explained him/her as a speedbump.... good way to look at it and it takes away the anger we feel as being attacked by an 'interpetation'..... if we stop and think about it, how silly is the whole thing... now Pam is someone I read, and get strength from . I hear love, I hear compassion, I hear strength, I hear encourgement..so thank you Pam and never think you have nothing to contribute, there are many faces on this sight, we are all important, people like Matthew teaches us how NOT to be, and Pam you lift us up.... so, yes, you do have alot to say... and thank you for sharing about your mom... we love you... we don't get to pick our family, but thank God we get to pick our friends..... that's why I call many on here... sister friend.... I have blood sisters, that I call the Ugly Sisters, but ya'll, well, ya'll are what I always thought sisters should be... I wasn't wrong, and I have a huge loving family.... so guess if we want to make someone feel bad or get them angry we can sign our post Matthew.... love ya'll
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You're welcome, Book! Always a pleasure to be the thread nark. :)
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PamelaSue, I'm glad you got 26 Likes. I think my AC or my laptop is off because I only see 3 Likes! Thanks for explaining why Matthew went and lectured you. I kept reading your 2 posts trying to see why. I even backtracked on this thread trying to see if you had posted earlier and I missed it. Come to think of it, I read his/her posts on other threads but automatically skipped it. I'm not an atheist but if I wanted to read/hear about religion, I know where to go for that. Anyway, I noticed that a lot of the ones who come here and goes on about religion - they tend to twist the scriptures and claim it's from God. Except on Lisa's thread, I wondered what he wanted to tell her. I really, really hate it when people say that God did this or that to you. How do they know? That's just it- they don't. Even though Lisa is going through a lot of stress lately, I know that she wouldn't take this person's comment to heart. But, I couldn't just leave such a comment alone. It's just plain wrong to say those things to Lisa.

I almost lost it when he/she said that "it is ugly for a woman to take the gloves and want to fight." ....Hello? So Lisa and all of us are to sit still and read his BS? If he's a man, does he abuse females? If she's a female, is she being abused and thinks it's our duties as female to take the abuse? I will rather be an UGLY woman (which by the way, I'm not) and take the glove and fight BACK...Thanks Judy for reporting him/her. I wanted to but...still don't have the gumption to do so!
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Matthew has no idea of how much we care for each other. And, apparently hasn't read about our KAW, tree ninja, falcon punching ways. We will always back each other up when needed - fly out of trees, congregate outside of Walmart demanding vacuum cleaner justice, fantasize about boat trips together, send hugs, encouragement and love (and Cattails' white light) along with heartfelt advice and invisible friendship. A fly-by of wrathful religious rantings here and there - eh - speedbumps along the journey of the Clann of the KAW. And my thong is beginning to bunch, so WATCHOUT! I'm feeling a little irritation..I mean irritated. Nothing like a thong wedgie to put one on the warpath.
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Hahahahaha!!! I love you kick ass women!!!!! Snicker snicker snort snort:)))))) it's unanimous!! GO AWAY MATTHEW!!!!!
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emjo, Judy, bookworm, and everyone who liked my comment, THANK YOU! 26 likes! i feel very validated today, lolz.

this is for matthew242424, who seems to have chosen book and chapter; i give him his verses! 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


i always come in to check how everyone is doing and lift them in prayer. i know i don't speak much in here, i just don't have a lot to offer.

i had to stop caring for my mother. in march she closed her bank accounts so that i could not take care of things for her, and she could spend money as she pleased without me seeing how she wasted it. soon she will be broke. then last month she wrote a four page letter to me last month that was so despicable that it left me shaking and in tears. i read parts to my sister, and my daughter read the whole thing herself.

they have known for a while that mother abused me, but never to what extent, (my sister is ten years younger so she missed most of my abuse, as a teen i made myself scarce). to say they were shocked would be an understatement. we all agreed that i need no longer have anything to do with her and she would not be invited to my granddaughter's baptism that weekend. my mother had screamed at me during my daughter's baby shower in front of two dozen guests, most of whom did not even know her; my daughter was afraid of this happening again.

i am still my sister's back up and sounding board for dealing with mother. any medical questions and issues come up, she knows i will take care of them.

Lisa, i am so glad that your DMiL is now able to be at home. i pray that the sense of normality all of you are attempting to provide will bring her some peace and happiness. i truly believe God is blessing you and your family greatly for all the love you shower on her. a legacy of love is one of His greatest blessings as it flows through out your family and shines for the whole world to see. while you didn't receive it from your mother, you found the love in your heart and you nourished it and gave it away freely; this shows your great strength and courage.

Cat you are also the face of Christ in the tender love you show as you care for your father. i know that your sister's attitude and lack of action is very frustrating and hurtful. it's often true that the child who is most favored and spoiled is the one who is never able to give in return. pity her, there is a hole in her soul. you cannot change her, but perhaps you can help your father accept that she is not coming. we are often told not to accept things that are bad, but when they are unchangeable and the lack of acceptance only eats away at us, accepting that bad things are just there, a part of life, is a way of letting it go and letting God deal with it. i am obviously still working on my own acceptance. i'm imperfect and will likely be a work in process for sometime. it's ok, i know God understands and still loves me just as i love my beautiful and imperfect children, much more so.

God Bless ALL of you this morning, may He gently carry you and provide what you need today.
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Well, whatever IT is, emjo, I'm glad you've lost IT too. If I have to be It-less, I feel better with your company. xx
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Don't worry about the typos, Judy. I do them all the time and figure that people can figure them out e.g. pinning instead of spinning. I guess I have lost IT already, am not looking for IT, and don't care where IT is - whatever IT is! ;)
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*a few WEEKS ago* .... losing it. Sorry. Been an emotional morning. I hate typo's!
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Cat, I think you're mistaken. That's not in the scriptures. Its in the Manual of the KAW. Did we have capes too? I want a short one so that the thong shows (it complements the cellulite). And I think weaves were optional for everyone except Lily. I do have a rasta beanie with dreads attached that I was going to wear in the old truck to pick up everyone on the way to Funnierthanme's patio for coffee a few ago though. Maybe we should be keeping notes on all of this.
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Judy: I think Matthew missed the scripture about red thongs, blue tights and tuna cans.
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OH, and Matthew, you're violating Caregiver Ethics. Here's a quote:
"Keep your comments and posts to matters that concern caregiving. Don't discuss controversial topics – such as religion or politics – that might anger other caregivers." This is in the "about the forum" section, under the "caregiver forum" tab.
Please keep your religion to yourself. Its a rule. Thanks.
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*inappropriate*. Still working on my morning coffee.
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Matthew - you've disgusted pretty much everyone on this thread. Take your twisted view of religion and GTFO. NO ONE IS TAKING YOUR COMMENTS SERIOUSLY. I've reported your comments as in appropriate and will write an email of complaint as well as soon as I finish commenting. This site isn't for preaching. I hope you get deleted, and I'll work toward that every day until you are gone. God bless you.
Pam - I think you mean Caring-something or other. What a pain she was - preaching like she was on some higher ground looking down at the rest of us. UGH. Did I tell you how nice it is to see you on this thread, btw?!
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cat--I went through the same thing when my dad way dying. He was in the NH for only three weeks and during those three weeks, I drove straight there to see him ..40 miles from my work. I'd get him his cigarettes, put the vest on him so he wouldn't burn himself when he dropped it, wheeled him out to the patio to talk about the tomato plants (he was an avid gardener). He looked forward to me coming every day. I'd try to help him eat by feeding him but he had no appetite. One day he said, "Why doesn't anyone come to see me?". I told him, "I do"..he said, "You're the only one". I have two other siblings. Brother was never close to dad as mom raised him when they got divorced and he never got to spend time with dad. My SISTER however was dad's FAVE and she NEVER, ONCE went to visit him in the NH during those three weeks. The day he was dying, I was there and SO MAD at my sister because I knew dad was "hanging on" until she came to say goodbye. Brother and I were both there with him. I finally couldn't take it anymore and called sister and told her...you need to get over here and see dad..he's waiting on YOU so that he can pass. She gave me the "SIGH" that she always does if ANYone needs something or asks her for help. She has always just thought of herself and bullied me for years. She said, "Are you SURE he's dying?"......UGH!!!! I told her,,,YES....he is waiting for YOU. I had to talk her INTO driving 30 miles just so that my dad could finally pass. It was like pulling eye teeth and dad did SO MUCH for her for SO many years!!! She finally came and he was barely able to mumble..not words..just mumble. He died a few hours after she left. WHY it is that kids who parents favor the MOST during their lifetime care SO LITTLE about the parent??? I'll NEVER understand that..never.
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((((((((((((((((((lisa))))))))))))))))))) thank goodness Mary is home, and you are looking after things like a putting a lock on the door.You are also looking at a new "normal". It takes a while to digest. Mary now is not Mary as she was before, and family dynamics are changing. What huge transitions you have been, and still are, going through. Give yourself some breathing space to deal with them. These are the "biggies" in terms of life's milestones, and can set your head pinning sometimes. Don't forget to have the pizza and movie nights with your fam and inject a little of the old normal, and do what you need to look after you. You are a major "beam" on the support sysem in Doug's family's support system. You are also Lisa, who has been going through a lot of her own "stuff".Breathe deep
Big hugs - wish I could give them in person. Life flows on, whether we are ready for it or not,
cat - what can I say. I know the coldheartedness of a sibling, and have simply come to accept it, and work on forgiving. I love how you are championing for your dad, but don't get too hurt in the process ((((((((((((((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))))))))))))
(((((((((((((((((((kim))))))))))))) sounds like you are getting busier and busier. - the job is increasing. Hope you get those home helps in SOON, and hope your health is improving. You need you too.
judy -awesome image - and definitely a red thong!!!!!! :-D
austin, book, rovana and all who commented on Matthew's post - well done- Lisa does not need the added aggravation
teachergear -have you thought of starting your own thread?- you have quite a story, and many can identify with what you write. I am so glad you are setting some limits. Definitely back to the NH if there are bad behaviors!
to all - I haven't gone back a page but you know you all are on my heart - Much love, many hugs and prayers Joan♥♥♥
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Kimbee: When my mom was dying, we did all we could to get my sis to come see her. We offered to pay her way, and Yes I did tell her how much it would mean to our mom to have her in her presence. Didn't work. Just pissed my sister off. It was December and she just wanted to hang her Christmas lights and have that Hallmark moment. Well, she stayed home, hung her Christmas lights and mom died on Dec.18th. I know my sis had a sh*tty Christmas, but she will never admit it.

I have not gone down that road again with her this time because it created hard feelings with us when my mom died. I already know she realizes my dad would want to see her. That is a no brainer. She knows this as well as I do.

It's a long story with my sis. She has always struggled financially and we have all done what we can to help her. A lot of her problems, however, are self imposed. She makes bad choices. Still she was a very hard worker and, for many years, raising 3 children. They are all grown now and no longer living with her.

My sis will take advantage of us financially. She vacillates between dreamer and survivor. Her dreams don't come true because she can't add and subtract. My parents, mostly my dad, always gave her money and so did her sibs. Over the past few years, she has put one of my brothers through serious hell. It cost him many thousands of dollars. I think this last go around was major and it broke their relationship. I feel most sorry for my brother because he did all he could and she treated him like sh*t. She would bad mouth him to all of us, but we knew the truth and she just used him to such a point of shame. For my bro, the loss is financial and it still continues. She left him with a huge mess. But more than that, she hurt him deeply from an emotional standpoint; more than I can begin to express here. Since early childhood, he was always there for her.

I have offered to pay her way up to see my dad. In spite of everything, my bother would too. But she says no. She did this in 2008 too when my mom was dying. She just wanted to spend Christmas at home, my parent's old home, which my bro had purchased and let her move into.

At this point, in my humble opinion, she has become so hard hearted that it is hard for me to recognize her. If I try to talk to her about anything other than her lalalalala life, she will become very angry. It's her defense, an even bigger effort on her part now, because she has so much more to deny. This has to be majorly hard work for her. In my opinion, she personal shame is off the scale and so she has to work so much harder to make it everyone elses fault. Still, that's the road she chooses.

My sis is not a drug user or a drinker. She is just a hater and I think she hates herself. I'd love to talk to her about that, but I am in the cross hairs here,, picking up all the pieces and I don't think I have ever been so disgusted with her.

My sis will talk about my dad like, "we wouldn't let out pet go through this." She constantly tells me about a young friend of her daughter's whose parents recently died just months apart. How awful it was for this young girl. The suffering was ridiculous, blah blah. Then the pet thing again.

Well, I have had to put some beloved dogs to sleep, but I have never done it without being by their side. My sister will not be here. That is her choice. She will not appreciate that she has let so many down and hurt them deeply. She will keep her wall up and she will make her self feel good by giving lame comparisons without realized that she is defining her own feelings when using them. She is talking about her resistance, her fears and her shame. Yes, I would like to shake her till her teeth fall out. She has let me down more than I could ever have imagined. She has hurt my brother more than I could ever have imagined. She has avoided giving our mom the comfort of her presence and she will not be by my dad's side either.

In my heart, I think she is a good person. I remember my sister from years ago and this is not her. But this is how she chooses to live her life and right now I could strangle her and feel the better for it.

She was the chosen child in our family. I think it cost her dearly, but she could show up, grow up. Do something to make a difference that only she can make.

Just pisses me off. I can't make this up to my dad. I can't be her for him. This is the last bag she is going to leave me holding. I love her and I have compassion for her struggles, but I can also hate her ass at this moment. I want to make it clear that I don't hate the sister I use to have, just the one I have now.

Cat
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sorry people, i'm not going to be so nice, i am all gloves off! people who use the name of my God to abuse others tick me all to hell!
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we need to get rid of matthew242424, he is the reincaration of that itch, what was her name? mental block. anyways, yes, HE NEEDS TO GO! how do we do this?
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Rovana... what an awesome answer. I loved this part: "No one is anyone else's lawful prey..This is not cooperation with God's working in our lives." I never thought of it that way.
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