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Leave it to Jane. She'll find a way to screw things up.
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Didn't you call this last week when you said it was awful quiet? Whammo! Sh*tstorm! Smart of you to get security at the hospital involved. That lady at assisted living opened a big gnarly can of worms unknowlingly. Happy for you that The Situation (aka DQ - thanks, Ladee, I like it. Can I use it too?) was sleeping during your visit. Whew! Do you think that the nephew will try to get into her place while she's gone?
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Ladee, social worker at hospital will have a conversation with J tomorrow. Mistakes happen. But this is their mistake. Doug or I will also make a call to her. They gave me their office phone at her residence to leave a voicemail for j. I let her know she has some fires to put out with the nephew. I've secured things at the hospital and she needs to do the same there.
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I think I just insulted the guy on "Jersey Shore" by callling DQ the 'situation' as that is his name on the show... and he's and addict too... so from now on, I'm calling DQ ,...... the Situation....
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Lisa, I know that every one is sending prayers for you.... have faith in the number of people who want nothing but the best for you and your family.....and you're right, good visit, she was asleep.... do what you feel is right,... I admire and respect you for having no regrets.... heartfelt prayers to you, wonderful lady.... this is the storm you knew was coming..... let us know how you and the situation is going....
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Update: surgeon order second scan and it seems some blood is starting to flow. Shes been given heavy amounts of antibiotics and it's basically a waiting game. They do not want to rush into doing a colonoscopy and disrupt progress. So they wait.
Update: they are getting her settled back in her room and the phone rings. Seems the receptionist at assisted living took it upon herself to give the nephew a call and inform him mom was in serious condition. all of that paperwork was changed but it wasn't at the desk. Woman thought she was doing her job. Which she was. The mistake wasn't hers. Guess who's mistake? He got mom on the phone and immediately started screaming at her that it was her fault he lost his job and now their losing their house. Her nurse when she called said they called surgeon and he ordered her a sedative. Sooo, here we go To her residence, get that fixed. Then back to hospital. Very nice visit. SHE WAS ASLEEP. had to meet with security and there are only 3 people allowed in room. I put my aunt raeDown just in case.
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Lisa: I think Joan's frog and scorpion story sums up your mom. That's one story I am going to remember forever.

Did you get any indication as to your mom changing her mind about surgery before she blew her top?

I was thinking that your Aunt Rae was your mom's sister. Is that correct. If so, how does she explain your mom and their upbringing? Your aunt Rae is such a sweetheart.

Sending you love Lisa and peace.
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(((((((((((((lisa)))))))))))))), it is a waiting game and we are here when you next have an update. prayers going your way.
Love Joan
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judy, I don't think the DQ CAN be any different than she is - it is her nature, even if it takes her down,
I love the parable about the frog and the scorpion - here it is in case anyone doesn't know it.

The Scorpion and the Frog

A scorpion and a frog meet on the bank of a stream and the scorpion asks the frog to carry him across on its back. The frog asks, "How do I know you won't sting me?" The scorpion says, "Because if I do, I will die too."

he frog is satisfied, and they set out, but in midstream, the scorpion stings the frog. The frog feels the onset of paralysis and starts to sink, knowing they both will drown, but has just enough time to gasp "Why?
Replies the scorpion: "Its my nature..."


That has taught me so much about people with mental illnesses of any kind. They can' t help but do the negative behaviours - it is their natures. Now I don't look for improvements, I count on their nature doing what it has always done.
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High five, low five, hand shake, fist-bump, knuckles, blowing mine up.... Its so dang sad though, isn't it? I mean, really. DQ had the chance to play nice and she didn't. I had hoped that maybe, just maybe, she could look you in the eye without malice, since she must know the severity of her condition. I can't say I'm surprised, Lisa. I'm disappointed though. Not in you. For you. All I can think of is that you can't pat a rattlesnake. I'm glad you removed yourself from that scene today, and I'm glad that others got to hear it. Even though you don't need it, it vindicates you in others' eyes, I think, and I know that makes you feel better. It does suck that people who don't understand, could wrongly vilify you, but not now! Now, I guess its a waiting game? Just wait and see what she decides and how she does...
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High five, right hand. High five left hand! Way to go.
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You are such a winner in my mind. I am so charged every time you show strength. You have my admiration and a great big High Five!!!!!! I bet the nurses and all are just in aw of you right now. I doubt that they think badly of you. I'm sure they are totally aware of how badly she treats you and them. I'm a nurse I know. This gets around even when it's not in the record or said out loud. I bet they want to give you high fives too. A few of them are probably praying for you too.
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I think the hospital staff and the doctors have finially seen enough. Just sooo.... sorry you had to go though that again. But you know a sound mind person can only take so much and I think you have once again gone above and behond. The hospitals do have a group of doctors that can asked the court to step in if they need too. Hugs!!!! Oh wait high five !!!!
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HIGH FIVE to you lisa!!!1 Go girl. you made me laugh with the "don't be sorry for me, she's the one that can't shit" Hilarious!!!
Sounds like the hosp staff are getting it finally.
I AM SO PROUD OF YOU!!!
Wow, very well done -and you told them to put the bit about her being put in a cab on the chart.
Oh, lordy you are turning into something else and it is GOOD!
You will be able to give lessons soon lol.
Many pats on your back, and big ((((((((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))) and love
Joan ♥♥♥ u deserve a medal!
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High fives across the miles to you Lisa!!!!!! You said this moring you had it. and you did.... you go girl........very proud of you.....
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Update: blood is cut off to her colon. It hasn't died yet but high risk to do do. She's very sick. Started vomiting green bile. Every dr had been in to see her except surgeon. He was still in surgery but sent his head nurse. All morning I could see her working up to her tantrum, and it came. All it took was my answering the phone and saying hi aunt rae. Yep drew another audience. This time the heart dr who had just seen her was there also. spewing like a sailor. I told her the only problem with you is you are so jealous that me and aunt Rae are loved and your not. Thats what the hells eating your insides. (yes, I went to her level a tad bit) so I gathered my things and went out to the "CROWD" and the heart dr took my hand and said I'm sorry. I looked at him and said don't be sorry for me, she's the one that can't shit. Told the nurse I guess you figured out I'm leaving. You have my numbers if she worsens. But do not call me for anything else. If she manages to live thru this, she has her purse and you can send her home in a cab. I want you to put that in her chart. Yes mam, I understand. yeah girls, what a ride it is. I'm fine. Feeling very proud of myself. Can I get an across the miles high five?!?!?!?!
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(((((((Rebecca))))))))) I thought you had cut yourself off from them. Truly, girl, it is the only way you can protect yourself. They are toxic. Reasoning, explaining to them and making pacts with your mother and so on will not work.Your mother may not cabable of showing support. I am glad she is nice to you right now, but look at the overall picture. Mine has rarely if ever given me support regarding my sister - usually she sides with her. I don't expect it, and put on my big girl panties and deal with them both myself. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear! Everytime you get into a session with them you are defeated, and that will keep happening, and your mental and physical health will continue to suffer. Believe me, they don't care - not even your mum!
You are the guardian of your own health. Please practice extreme self care. Just let them go, What does it matter? Do what is good for you. Let them "win" whatever it is - not worth it. My sister has fought ruthlessly for years to be mother's favourite, and she wants all the inheritance too. Whatever! As far as I am concerned, if it goes than way, she can have it. I am not saying I would not take steps to protect my interests, but I am not stewing about it.
Remember, it is your choices that get you enmeshed with them again, and you can chose not to.
" Living well is the best revenge." George Herbert.
Try living well...
much love, ((((((hugs))))) and concern.
Joan
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Well everyone, I started this message on Saturday, it lost itself on its own, so I am trying again. The issue with my brothers, sister,and sister-in-law was ten days of cruelty and meanness. I lost; they won. My mother is really showing dementia issues, and is very loving and kind to me but won't say a thing to protect me. I will write more later, but all of my signs of PTSD have returned. My ex-sister-in-law said I needed to remember that the gypsies left me on the wrong doorstep.I have missed all of you, and hope all of you are well. Rebecca
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Lisa...it's such a shame that your sisters and mom wasted their life with addictions and bitterness. They were so miserable with their life that they took it out on you. Usually, in a family, there is all the "good" family and 1 black sheep. Your case is the opposite. You had 3 black sheep and 1 white sheep (you). Well, you do what need to do. We won't worry about you not being able to handle the situation by yourself. We have seen you from the beginning grow a backbone and became empowered to do what was needed to protect yourself and your family. We have all the confidence that you can handle it. Anyway, Doug has your six (military term that he has your back). You two make a great team and a great partner - something that is very rare. You take care! We're all here for you...
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Good luck. You'll be in on my mind today. What a wild ride. Hang on, Lisa!
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((((((((((((((((((((((Lisa))))))))))))))))))) ny thoughts and prayers are with you
love Joan
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Good morning girls. I called at midnight to check her condition. Because of hippa laws they could only tell me she was stable and would respond to questions. So I'm dressed and ready to head to the hospital. Want to be there early so I don't miss those drs they've called in. Not much sleep. As cold as this sounds, I need to also find out if she's yet changed beneficiary to her life insurance. Doug and I are certain she has. If she left it to that nephew of mine Doug and I will need to be prepared to get her buried if those er drs are correct about her condition. Like sis, she has abused her body horribly over the years. I m not sure she will survive the surgery if she permits it. Made Doug go on to work. He's only a phone call away. Aunt Rae made me promise to call her if she gets difficult. I will simply leave the room. So don't worry about me today. I got this. Love you my friends, lisa
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(((((((((((((((Lisa)))))))))) I am so sorry.
We are never prepared when the axe finally falls, so to speak. I understand your, and also your anger, and agree you are fully entitled to it. I think your mum has been killing herself for some time. She does still have a mind, and somewhere in that morass she must have known there could be health consequences to her behaviours, Even if this is not caused by her addiction, she may have faced the possibility at some level. She is entitled to her choice, as far as I know,
I have a serious problem with them saying there was no record of pain pill addiction, and think someone(s) is(are) not doing their job properly.
Hope you can have a good sleep tonight, though that may be difficult.
Prayers for you and your family. This is a bumpy road you are on, and it doesn't look like it will end soon.
Love and (((((((hugs))))) Joan
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Lisa: If the doctors view her as being of sound mind, then the subject of your permission means nothing. Your mom made her wishes perfectly clear this afternoon and she also had the presence of mind to ask the doc if she believed she was of sound mind.

Let's see what the next day or two reveal. Maybe she will change her mind about the surgery or the health care directive. Whatever she decides to do, my guess is she will be going to a skilled nursing facility or a hospice facility.

Lisa, you have faith in God so consider that in her passing, God will heal her. That corrupted and miss-wired brain will be pure white light and at that moment she will be able to look back and see her life clearly. At that time, if you are able, your forgiveness will be meaningful and it will light the heavens.

One step at a time my friend. Love, Cattails
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Hugs to you Lisa.
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I'm sorry Lisa. I think your feelings of anger were completely understandable. At least you have it in you to feel pity for her. You know she has always made her choices based on the twisted way she sees the world. How her mind works is the mystery. Her mind is so different from that of the normal feeling person. You can't begin to fathom it. I can't imagine her acting any different at the end, not even a health care directive, so you will have to accept that, once again, it makes no sense.

Let's see what tomorrow brings. Sending you love and comfort. Buckets of hugs, Cattails.
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If they look at you for permission would you go against her wishes? If that's a possibility then you ought to find out what life would be like if she gets the surgery. You might have her back in your life for a while if not permanently.
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Judy, colitis is exactly what they were going with because of white blood cells. The amount of blood she lost is what was the deciding factor they needed to look further. Now they know of the addiction. She has apparently been demanding the pain pills instead of morphine. Morphine dosen't help her. So after our talk they understood. I have a problem with them telling me there is no mention of pain pill addiction. How many times I have told them. But before she came to my home she never ever put down her pain Meds on her list of medications. The pain pills never showed up until she came to my home. She would get furious that I would list them.
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Oh, jeez. I wonder if this has anything to do with the back pain she went to the ER over. Well, Lisa, I'm glad you went to the hospital and had supportive staff there. I'm not surprised that your mother doesn't want surgery though, but maybe she'll change her mind in the morning. Are they calling it "ischemic colitis"? I wonder if the grandkids will go in and see her. And, now, what's your plan with this? Will you go back in the morning? You sounded so cheery this morning. Man, sometimes your days are the biggest roller coaster rides I've ever seen. I'm so sorry you're going through this. xx, Judy
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Hi everyone. We got back from hospital 30 minutes ago. First let me say, this woman has cried wolf so many freaking times I'm having a time wrapping my head around this. The dr took us in a room when we arrived after getting permission from mom to speak to us. They did ultra sounds and scans and it seems there is no blood running thru her colon. She wanted to stress to us the seriousness of it. She told Doug and I by no means is this condition her area of expertise but she thinks the whole colon will need to be removed. She told us she has tried to explain to mom how serious it actually is. Her vitals are holding well so she will be put in a room on a floor to be monitored. They did not believe she is paying attention to what they are telling her, so with her and nurse present as support would I speak with her. I must have had a look oh horror on my face. Doug later said he dam near snorted he was working so hard not to laugh. I began by saying you need to understand about our relationship...she cut me off. Took my hand and said we know. There is no judgement in this room and we will be with you. I'm think crap, why didn't I belt a couple strong ones back before I came here. So ok let's do this. We walked into room and I stopped so quick dougs nose hit back of my head. (please don't think bad of me that I add the humerous parts) she looked so bad. She was sleeping. I had to take some time to process my feelings. they gave me that time. I just stood there looking at her. Pity. That's it. I tried to muster up some kind of emotion. Some tiny spark that I could really love her. Just pity. (Dr had left and told Doug to come get her when I was ready) I took that time and just stared at her. The chance to really look at her. I'm angry. I am so angry! She robbed me of a loving mother. She robbed me of a happy childhood. She robbed my children of a loving grandmother. So I sent Doug to get them. I began by waking her and said mom we have to talk. She said what could we possibly have to talk about? I said we need to talk about why your here. So you need to just listen. I need you to understand how serious your condition is. So I went on to tell her she may have to have surgery in the morning. You have no blood flowing thru any part of your colon. These drs here in the er believe your colon has died. No one has mentioned surgery to me. I looked over at dr and she was shaking her head yes, they had. I told her they have called the specialist here, and they have spoke to your lung dr. So everyone is coming together on this to proceed with what is required to get you thru this. She looked over at dr and asked do u believe I am of sound mind. Dr said yes mam. She looked back at me and said there will be no surgery. If this is what's happening so be it. But there will be no surgery. I then asked her if she would sign a living will. Nope. I'm clueless. Can she even do that? Will they look to me for permission? So we go out to waiting room and agreed we needed to call the grandkids and tell them. They each told me they would go see her if I wanted them to. So I explained to each of them I only called because they needed to know. What they choose to do with the knowledge is entirely their choice.
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