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Doug called and apparently she did try to reach him first, but he was in a meeting. We are wondering if mom has shown her ass and J maybe is a little bit intimidated by her. Sure hope not, because she's stuck with her. It's definitely her nature to Cut someone to the quick with her mouth. I spent some time this morning calling her drs and updating her files with her new number and address. I do believe the times coming when our involvement will be unavoidable to get some guardianship established thru the cty. Right now I'm enjoying my summer, catching up spending time with the family and being there for PIL. Tomorrow I take fil for his second treatment. Poor thing is so dreading it. Jen told him suck it up papaw, we're not ready to lose you. CAT!!!!- thinking of you today. Hope things go smoothly with dad. Love to everyone! Lisa
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Oh, my. You called this one again, Lisa. It was too dang quiet and now you know why. I wonder if you can block Jane's number from your cell phone. Doug made it perfectly clear the last time, that he was the one to be called, yet she calls you. Glad you sailed through your cdl physical with no problems aside from the stress induced high BP (your comment about driving little angels and future convicts cracked me up). Glad the BP came down. I just read on the Livestrong website that a good BP when you're RUNNING is 200/80! That's what you had just from talking to Jane! Holy crap! That woman is as thick as mud, and I agree with Jean - Jane needs a little social worker 101. And maybe hearing aids. And a few more brain cells. And a swift kick in the ass.
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shaking loose of the DQ is an work in progress, Lisa. You have made a lot of progress in the past few months. Just keep going! There are going to be a few loose ends to tidy up. (((((((hugs)))))))
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I don't know girls, I guess I dropped the ball myself. I've pretty much have been relishing the peace myself and the family are having with not having to deal with any of her crap. I just answered the phone. It was hospital with follow up call to see how she is doing. She's never even gave them her new #. so I took care of that while I had them on the phone. I asked her why the visit on the 2nd and she said she was complaining of back pain. Heeheehee. She's gonna keep going till she gets those pain pills back. NOT MY PROBLEM!
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Lisa, one would think that with all that Jane knows, that she would have thought twice about calling you. Didn't Doug tell her she was not to call you again and she was speaking only to him. I'm not sure who this lady is talking with regarding a guardianship. Here in Ca one of the issues that usually gets a guadianship is the
failure to cooperate, Maybe Doug should contact the local office of PA or Concervator himself. Doesn't sound like she (Jane) is working very hard on it.
I Love it "NOT MY PROBLEM"
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Lisa I think you will be our go to lady with relationship problems-maybe you could work for a newspaper or a blog and get paid big bucks. WTF is wrong with that Jane does she not get it-your Mom can not have it both ways be mean to you and then expect you to fix her problems-Hugs from me also.
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Could we send Jane to Remedial Social Work 101? I'm sure enough of us would chip in and the facility wouldn't even have to pay for it.

What is her problem??!
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(((((((((((((((((((((lisa)))))))))))))))))))) it doesn't take much to trigger the stress, does it? Too many buttons from the past. Jane needs to be thoroughly tuned in. She isn't accepting what she has been told. I thought she was supposed to be calling Doug, though I know he has his own things to deal with now with ur pils. Glad ur bp came down, but a spike like that is not good. Maybe jane needs to know what effect her phone call had on you, what your doc has said, and better understand why she must not try to drag you back into that mess. Maybe a word, or an email, or letter to her supervisor.
bw - mammos don't have to be that painful. A sadist in the local hospital cranked the pressure up on me once, and I told my doctor I would not have another one there. He sent me out of town to a clinic that specializes in mammos and I had to ask the tech if she had done it - no pain. Eventually I went back to another tech locally and she looked at my file and said they had cranked it up to 20, and 10 was all that was necessary. I hardly felt it. Might be worth checking out.
Thinking of you today, cat and all that is on your mind, Tough for you right now, I know, and telling dad is not going to be easy. (((((((((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))))
judy,hope you are out of your blue funk,
kim you are a sweetheart
love and hugs to all
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Yeah Lisa, you are getting so good at this. Not my problem!!!! Hugs, Cattails
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Onechild: thank you for taking the time to read my journey and the compliment. It sounds like you've had quite the journey yourself. Forgiving your mom also proves your own strength. I'm so glad you've already made the decision they will not move in with you., lisa
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Good morning everyone! I leave the house and halfway there to get my physical my phone rings. It was Jane. If only I could have looked at caller I'd while driving. :( she asked me how my mom was doing. Hello???? Mam it's been over 2 weeks since I've talked to her. Well, she went back to the hospital July 2. No Jane I didn't know. She dosen't call me. Remember? She hates my guts. So she wasn't aware that she was even released yet. I'm sure the withdrawals from pain Meds had her back in there. She asked me if I would call her and find out the situation. No mam, can't do that. She has absolutely refused to cooperate getting a poa thru the cty. Well I'm not doing it. But I did assure her when she feels she is making bad choices or she feels she is endangering herself she will have my support to have her placed in a facility to deal with her needs. So I get to dr and the call me back. Blood pressure 200/80. Grrrrr. Yeah it was the phone call. I explained to them and they figured as much because I was still on phone with her when I signed in. They heard much of the conversation. I'm so embaressed that apparently I was that loud. Dr explained to me I need to remove myself from what is causing my stress and anxiety, or I'm going to start having real problems with my BP. WELL YA THINK???? bp did come down thank goodness. So I get to drive my little angels/future convicts for another year. I'm sure myself or Doug will be getting one more phone call from Jane today. Not my problem!!!!
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I just had to tell you how strong a person I think you are. It takes a strong person to take care of a nice family member but to take care of an abusive one....well cudos to you. I admire you for trying even though you must admit to yourself you had a feeling it was going to be a nightmare when you moved her in. But as children we feel we OWE them that. Well I am not here to tell you the horrors of my childhood, but lets just say that my parents didnt raise me. When i was 18, my ex husband suprised me by taking me to my mothers home. It was a long haul but we have forged the relationship of mother and daughter. I am caregiver and POA for her and my stepdad. BUT I have already made the decision, when they can no longer be on their own....they will NOT be staying here. Its a matter of survival! And you need to be sure to take extra care of that husband for putting up with the nightmare you guys have been living. Soooo proud of you for doing what YOU need to do for YOURSELF and your family! Praying for you ....keep the faith and your life will be back on track before you know it!
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My bp is so low, that the nurses think the machine is broken. I have to tell them that it's not the machine. It's very faint and they have to listen hard. Twice, they went and got the kiddies' bp machine! I tend to be normal or low blood. If I'm low blood, when I stand or move too suddenly, I get dizzy.

All the times I went to the hospital (ER and my 2 surgeries),the doctors worry over my heart beating at 30 or higher. I keep telling them it's normal. I'm just scared. I don't have thyroid...They don't listen. They hook me up to the EKG and they take blood tests for thyroid....It always comes back as normal.

Lisa, don't forget the mammo. Since I turned 40, I did my mammo. The very first time and the very first xray shot, I fainted from the pain. I woke up dangling from the machine with the tech behind me trying to hold me up at the same time trying to release me from the machine. I just wanted to cry and walk out. I think, this is one time growing up from a very dysfunction family helped. I knew if I walked out, I would Never, Ever do a mammo again. So, I gritted my teeth, and finished the xrays. Next time, I researched ahead of time online on ways of making mammos less painful. I saved the info and stored it on my CD and flashdrive. Then, when it's mammo time, I open it up for refresher. FYI, from experieince, when you take the Excedrin before the mammo, make sure you give it time to work!!! :)
Oh...I would have done the mammo every 2 or 3 years but my results consistently comes back with abnormal but they think it's benign and recommend yearly mammo. I thought this was normal since I always got this result from the beginning and from different clinics that I've gone to. It's not normal...Hate mammos more than paps...
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Wish you did live closer, Judy. We'd be laughing out butts off every day. And we both know we want out butts to be smaller. Hugs my friend, Cattails
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And we absolutely love you to bits too, Cattails. If we lived closer, I'd run over to your house and give you a big squeeze.
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get a restraining order against her and then she will have to leave the house!
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Love all you guys. Cat
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You all made me cry. I'm sorry this can feel so darn hard at times. Cat, your dad knows you love him, that's the most important thing. My husband needs me, you all hang in there. Luv to all
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Cat, a cdl is a commercial drivers liscense. Truck drivers require them and also school bus drivers. It means I'm legal to drive a vehicle with 15 or more passengers. A physician has to fill out a dot card each year stating I'm healthy enough to drive those passengers. And your dad? I really do believe with all my heart he will adjust. You will help him thru. And you have so much to look forward to. Start enjoying your retirement cat. You can accomplish that and have plenty of time and love to give to your dad. Please know I think of you each day and always you are in my prayers!! Lisa
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Lisa: I'm kind of foggy brained right now. What's a CDL. I can relate to your anxiety although it's a little different for me. I don't normally get nervous about checkups, but right now I know my BP is too high and I have gained weight since my dad was living with us. I really have to get focused on getting healthy. Hubby too.

Sometime back I went for a consult with my dad's doc about his care, etc. He's a really good doc and he's my doc and hubby's doc too. He took my BP after we had finished talking and it was 190/100. He said it was probably high due to the subject matter being emotional, etc. and we wanted me to have fasting blood work done and monitor by bp at home. I have monitored it and it came down quite a bit, but still too high. Never did follow through with the blood work. I will do that now.

So I will be getting the blood work done and start the journey of improving my health and well being. Hubby is a ditto.

Visited my dad today. He's bummed. The staff think he is sad too and are doing their best to help with his adjustment. I'll take him a cheeseburger for lunch on Tuesday and explain some things to him. I think it's time to tell him what I think he already knows and I am hoping in time he will realize that a lot of the people caring for him do genuinely care about him and his happiness.

Tough times. Keep my in your prayers. Love, Cattails
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You'll be just fine - you know that. After the meat grinder you've been through, the doctor appointment should be a walk in the park. The doctor works for you. When I put it in that perspective, it gets easier.
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Lisa you will feel so good after getting those appointments behind you so go do it girl.
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Never ever a wet blanket cat. Thank you for sharing with all of us. One of the wonderful mother/daughter moments mom shared with me before leaving this house was " I outlived the other three, I'll outlive your ass too". Wow! So I haven't had a pap smear in 5 years. Have the appointment the end of this month. And girls, I have a horrible fear of drs. I go tomorrow for my physical for my cdl and they usually have to take my blood pressure 2 or 3 times. I get so nervous and worked up. My bp is always fine. Last year I made them take it 1 more time. I told him I don't understand how anyone can be 50 and fat and not have high blood pressure. So here I go with the knots in my stomach thinking about it. Grrrrr. Gotta do it though. If not I won't get my dot for my cdl. Thoughts of it sure has ruined my Sunday. Sigh, Lisa
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Thanks Emjo: I think you are right on the money. Don't have a date on colonoscopy yet. Probably get a call early in the week. Yeah, I am a little apprehensive about that too. Lots of changes right now and funny how things come up. Thanks for your thoughts. It helps. Hugs, Cattails
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((((((((cat)))))))) I have lost a couple of girlfriends to cancer too - one was the girl next door who I grew up with, and one was a very good friend who was always the first one in the hospital with a gift when I had a new baby. It is hard as they are part of your life, and you hate to see them suffering. I don't think you have anything to apologize for on this thread or any other. I share your point of view in most of what you have written. The grief you are having with regard to moving your dad into an NH is probably triggering off the grief for your girlfriend. I have found it works that way, Your dad has moved to another stage in his life, closer to the end, and it is a form of loss.
Let us know what comes from your husband's tests. Are you having any apprehension over that?
big (((((((((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))))))))))))
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Hey ya all: Don't mean to be a wet blanket. It just hit a nerve with me. Lynette had cervical cancer too. This is one of the brightest people I have ever known and she had not had a pap smear in the 8 years prior to being diagnosed. She was big into physics and my other friend, who was a physic, told her she would live a long life. She got that from other card readings, chart readings, etc. So she didn't do the normal shit we all do with pap smears and mammography's, etc.

She and I became friends when I was 21 years old. She and her husband, at the time, introduced me to the man I married. The guys were both with the Santa Barbara police department at the time. We had a close circle of friends and those were some of the happiest days of my youth. Lynette and I both worked for Security Pacific Bank in Santa Barbara so that is how we met and eventually how I met my husband.

She was such a special person and when me moved from SB in 1973, she and I stayed in touch and I visited her and she visited me. It's hard to loose someone who is such a part of your history and all the more tragic when it was not necessary.

So here's a toast to my dearest friend who I still miss to this day. Thank you all for letting me talk about her. God, I can remember picking her up on the way to work when my son was just 3 years old. She helped me find an apartment when my first husband and I split. My son would listen to the radio when we drove to work and the Jackson 5 were all the rage. Nick use to call them the 5 and Jack. His day care was just down the street from the bank we worked in.

Those were hard times and she was my best friend. Thanks again for letting me talk about her. She was such a good friend. Love to you all, Cattails.
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Oh, I love card readings and palm readings. Hell, I even had a toe reading about a month ago. I have a single friend who frequently has ladies' nights at her house and features something - a jewelry or handbag sale or a tarot reader or a psychic. The toe reading was bizarre. I used to go downtown Boston on the train when I was a kid, just to have my tea leaves read. If my mother knew, I was taking the train so young, she would've flipped out. But, at 12 yrs old, I babysat for a neighbor and chose to occasionally get my tea leaves or palm read, so I'd go downtown on my own. I don't put much weight in readings, but I love to hear what they have to say. Those people who talk to the dead... well, I think they're full of crap, but what do I know.
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My dearest cat, not for one moment do I believe the aunt is a real witch. Just one more mental relative hanging from my family tree. And I do love watching those shows with mediums. Can they really connect with the dead? I seriously doubt it, but it does make one wonder. It is sweet to think our loved ones are with us. Now the tv show charmed? Those witches rock! That is so sad what happened to your friend. How those people live with theirselves is beyond me. We had something similar happen. Dougs cousins wife who had cervical cancer died in feb. She had a best friend who recommended a dr who treated patients with natural means. There's a name for it, but I can't think of it. No chemo, no radiation. She was only 52. Left a 13 year old and a 19 year old. By the time they got her to a real dr it was too late. She kept it from her family. We all wonder how these drs can keep a license. It seems they could be charged with a crime. And Judy, that is crazy funny. Don't know if I could handle an evening like that. I would definitely have to have a cooler of cheer. That had to be an evening o laughs. And going to a physcic? Mot my cup of tea. Like cat, I have too much shit to deal with in the here and now. Don't anyone ruin my day by telling me what's on the way. Heeheehee.
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cat, I am sorry about your friend, Lynette, and am with you on having enough to deal with from this world, and not needing guidance from elsewhere. I never did any drugs as i figured reality was interesting enough. II'll take Aunt rae and the rosary too -
no offense meant, judy or anyone with different beliefs - each to his/her own. I have read about the meaning fo flower colour in Victorian days - red is true love I think, and yellow is friendship in roses anyway
rebecca so glad to see you back. I am sure the stress of your sibs makes you ill, and I am pleased the doc set limits on your contact
lisa -wonderfdul that fil is not suffering from the chemo - hope that continues
any progress with mil and an evaluation? is Doug beginning to see that his mum needs help? i expect it will come, but he has a lot to deal with consldering illness in both his parents.. Pretty pj's - how nice!!!
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New pj's, lucky you. Ollies is hilarious, never know what u'll come home with from there! I have a stepmother who claims she is NOT a witch-we don't believe her tho. Wouldn't give us a single thing of my dad's when he died, but we could drive ten hours an buy something from his "pickers" type garage, and they'd have the
house locked, but would provide convenience stations and a concession stand. Crazy people, they're in every family! Wonder where they got those black roses?!
Hope things went ok w your planned toughlove fest. Glad FIL is experiencing JUST the fatigue. Hope he can get all the rest he needs. LUV TO U ALL, kimbee
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