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Joan: My heart goes out to you. Losing a child changes your life forever. I'm sure it speaks to that sense of sadness (not depression but a general sense of sadness) that you mentioned a while back. You have weathered so much and come out on the other side. I'm sending you lots of love and hugs.

Lisa: Would love to see a video of Doug's birthday dance. You have a wonderful family to share life's journey with. I'm so happy that you are surrounded by so much love. Keeping your FIL & MIL in my prayers.

Hugs, Cattails
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So, so glad the party was a huge success - and how could it not be with Doug doing the birthday dance, to the tune of a hose, and TWO pig eatin' cakes.It sounds like a lot of fun, despite all the bad news your family has been getting. I want the recipe when you get it - if that is allowed.
Sometimes in life, it seems that we just deal with one thing, and another gets thrown at us.
I took a deep breath when I read about you getting the news of your fil's best friend dying. That combined with fil's, and mil's health issues is a lot to take in. It reminded me of a 5 year period when we had 20 deaths of friends, and family - too many of them young, and many trips to funerals. It started with my ex's sister committing suicide at the age of 33. The next year we had back-to-back, two young teens killing themselves at New Year's, and it all went downhill from there. A few years later, my youngest (who since has joined them) told me, at the tender age of 13, "Mum, I have my funeral outfit ready for the next one." It became part of our lifestyle. My marriage broke up in the middle of those 5 years. I am glad that you and Doug are so solid, and that his family will gather round. You need one another's support going through such times.
I was going to comment on "time alone", and you mentioned that you needed it. For years, I didn't need much time alone - working, studying, having 4 kids, managng a household of six and sometimes extras, I grabbed a little solitude here and there, and it was enough. As the number of losses (of people) mounted, I found I needed more, and when my Gordie died, I became a virtual hermit. There was just too much that had to be processed in my heart, and mind, and I needed the time alone to do that, and I still do - much more than I did before. For the first few years, I found it hard to be in large groups, especially relative strangers, as I coudn't concentrate on the conversation, and interactions. I remember the birthday party of one of my grandkids, a few years after Gordie died, when, for a while, I was able to break out of this. One kid batted a balloon at me, so I batted it back, and soon all the kids were batting balloons at me, and I was doing a decent job of fielding them all for a while, and we laughed. It was fun. Having fun is important in all of this, and you, and your family are great at that. Don't be shy to give yourself time alone, either, if you need it. Even if you are not consciously thinking about what is going on, it takes us a while to process the information about illnesses, and deaths of people who are close. One afternoon, during those 5 years, I was playing computer games, and found myself crying for 3 uncles and 2 cousins. Of all of them, because of the distances involved, I could get to only one funeral, and, that afternoon, I couldn't dististinguish my grief for one over another. I missed them all. You are going through a loss of types with separating from your mother (again) having opened you heart, and home to her a couple of years ago. Breaking bonds with a mother is not a small thing. Now you are looking at going through some hard times with your fil, and mil. These are people you love, and who have stood by you. What affects them will affect Doug, and other famly members. A lot is happening to people who are very significant in your life - good and bad. Give yourself what you need, to get through all of this - and if some of that is time alone, then take it. As well, you have a very demanding, and sometimes, very difficult, job. It is a lot, Lisa. Take care of you, and even treat you, taking time just for yourself to do something good for you - get a manicure, a pedicure, a massage, a candle-lit, scented, bubble bath, whatever would make you feel special, for you are. Always remember, Lisa, that you are special, in a very good way.
And for the Kick (Kiss lol) Ass Girls, you all are special too. :)
Hope everyone is having some fun, and lots of treats today.
Love and hugs ♥♥♥
Joan
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Lisa and Doug, glad to hear Doug's birthday was fun. So sorry however to hear your dad is having health problems. I am glad that you all will be able to spend more time and love with them, now that lisa's mom is not down the hall. You are an amazing family, a true inspiration-all of you. I hope the loss of Doug's dad's long-time friend won't be too hard on him. We will continue to keep your family in our prayers. I hate we didn't get to see the birthday dance! Luv N hugs, kim
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Hi everyone, the party was a success!!! He was so surprised. We received a phone call 10 minute before we left the house. My fil best friend died at 5 o clock this evening. They have been friends for 60 years. So after the surprise we took them both in the house to tell them. Then while Doug and sibs stayed in house I went out and told the family. Very sad for all who knew him. Everyone told their favorite memories of him and laughing. They stayed just a bit and one of the grandkids drove them home and another followed. The party went on and it was the best time. After everyone went home all the kids and spouses were able to sit and talk about fil. While I was telling the family, fil told the kids of the bone cancer. What a night. Tomorrows another day. Already everyone is drawing strength from each other. And we will be dads strength. And there wasn't one, but TWO pig eaten cakes. I asked her tonight when we get the recipe. She said soon. Hmmmm, we' ve heard that before. ;)) Good night friends. Have I mentioned lately how blessed we are to have you in our life. Love, Lisa. Oh before I forget, Doug said thank you for the best wishes and he's sorry you missed his "it's my birthday dance" he treated us all to. He's a riot. The female cousins turned the hose on him.
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Hi Lisa, I'm so sorry about your PIL (parents-in-law). You had the strength, courage and wits to get your M (sorry, I forgot what her acronym was) to live on her own. This time with PIL, you have the combined strength and courage of Doug and his family to handle each day of their crisis. Just take it one day at a time. I hope Doug's surprise party is a blast. Take care!
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Jen and I just sat here discussing just that cat. She only knows because she was sitting here while I was on phone. Our thoughts too are she has put her needs on the back burner to deal with his needs. Why wouldn't she? That's what she has done for her family always. So now I'm hoping when she sees that we will all come together to deal with this there is plenty left in us to care for her too. I've told Jen dry your tears and put a smile on your face and take joy in tonite. If only we could forever protect our children from the harshness of life. So I'm off here for now. Lots to do in 5 hours. Lord, if told so many lies to my Doug in the last 24 hours about our plans. Heeheehee
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Oh, Lisa: I am so sorry to hear this news. Maybe the strain of this knowledge is what your MIL is really angry and afraid about. Maybe she feels like she needs to be strong for him. Who knows. It would be devastating under any circumstances.

It touches me deeply that she called you and bless your sweet FIL. Have a wonderful Birthday celebration today.

Sending you love and prayers. Cattails
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Same here cat, that's a riot! I needed that smile so badly. My mil called and told me some horrible news. My fil has bone cancer. I had her put him on the phone. He was fussing because she told me. He's known for a bit. His told me they are urging him to start chemotherapy. That put up a red flag. So I asked him are you considering not taking the treatments. I just don't know girl. He told me to keep this to myself. Dougs party is tonite and he dosen't want to ruin it. I told him that's fine. I understand. I also understand this is his news to break. But please, you need to do it soon. I've always been close to my mil, so it's not really odd that she turns to me with the news and for help with all the paperwork. So family meeting Friday night.
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Eldest Daughter: I am sitting hear at the computer LMAO. No offense, but it's the Kick Ass Girls....not the Kiss Ass Girls. Thank you so much for getting my dad off to a good start. Hugs, Cattails
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Terry55---welcome to our site...I couldn't tell by your post how much of the thread you have read, but since you are asking how things turned out---you haven't read the thread to completion or you would know the answer. Like life...this thing is still unfolding, but Lisa's mother is out of the house and Lisa has reclaimed sanity for herself and her family. The thread still reads like a soap opera, but all in all, this thread and the encouragement and support of the "kiss ass girls" have helped bring about some big changes.

When you have a couple of hours to catch up ....or by reading a few pages each day, take the time to follow the story as it unfolds if you want to know how things worked out. I don't think you will be sorry ....and you will definitely be entertained...Cheers, Eldest Daughter --of the KissAssGirl clan :)
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY DOUG, you have inspired many women on this sight to understand there truly are some awesome men in this world.... I appreciate the love and support you give Lisa and your family..... have a wonder filled birthday, will be thinking of you today.....God bless
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Just found this website, and this thread...please tellme, Survived2...how did things work out for you??
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Hymmm, that pretty well clears it up! Thanks Lisa.have fun tue.
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Pig eatin cake! Dougs Great great grandmother made this cake. His great grandmother made it. His grandmother made it. Now his mom makes it. None of the kids have the recipe yet. It has been perfected thru the years. All I can tell you is it's one of the ugliest, messiest cakes you will ever eat. I do know the batter has to sit overnight. I'm not looking forward to ever having to make it. I do not bake. I'm an amazing cook. I even cater weddings on the side. But when it comes to baking I can screw up a box cake. So many times I get asked for recipes to my my broccoli casserole for instance. I don't have one. I simply make them. Jen makes outstanding desserts. Her orange chocolate brownies? Oh wow. So that's the extent of what I know about pig eaten cake. Every birthday in this family? Pig eaten cake.
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lolasamber: This is a long thread and you didn't read it throughout. FYI, Lisa has taken all the steps and her mom is now living elsewhere. It's been an amazing ride and if you have the time, you might want to read this thread beginning to end. It's quite an education and you will see the Lisa and her family have traveled a lot of ground.

I appreciate your comments, but encourage you to read the thread in its entirety. It really gives you good info for others you may encounter.

Cattails
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I am so very happy for you! You go girl!!!!!!!
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You, my Dear, are an absolutely amazing woman with an equally amazing husband! You have poured out attention to a woman who wasn't deserving of it and didn't appreciate it. You have done much more than most people would have under the circumstances. Contact Social Services in your area and do exactly what jeannegibbs told you to do. They will even have a psychologist explain to your mother why she needs to go and Social Services will help to find her Senior Housing that she can afford. You have done exactly what the Good Lord tells us to do - you honored your Mother. But, she didn't honor you or your husband so time to go! Take your lives back. You deserve it and time passes much too quickly to let her take one more day away from you! Much love coming your way!
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I want to know what a "pig eatin cake" is too!!!
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Don't know where his "eas and evil" came from- I typed "his evaluation and alzheimers diagnosis" the evil in that family was definitely the step mother! FIL was sweet and kind.
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Hey, what's a pig eatin cake?

My FIL was obviously showing signs of dementia but Fam was in massive denial when he had a bad car accident, hospitalized in level 1 trauma center. I ask step mil if docs had asked about alz symptoms, she said no, why would they? He's here for broken hip...privately I pulled the charge nurse aside and shared my concerns about dementia signs symptoms observedN family denial. Asked her to note in chart my confers and alert attending md of note. Her reply?: I sure will, thank you so much- we too felt something wasn't right but hard to know his baseline and can get nothing from his wife. She has been asked all different ways, but keeps saying she has not seen any changes, no one in Fam has concerns etc. I asked if he could be evaluated there before D/C? She said she was pretty sure that could be arranged n shed stay on it. He was transferred to their aging services unit w/o a discharge. He eas evil's and treatment started there. Step mil accepted alz diagnosis as "caused by accident". Put concerns on index card or one page letter n ask for any help they can give u at pulmonoligists. Let them know primary seemed to accept mil self assessment of no problems w memory. Pulmonary docs work w many elderly n may be a little more tuned in to Geriatric issues overall VS family doc who worries about not upsetting regular patient' s trust more than the specialist. Plus they can take more time, n hey, they'd want to solve problem of refusing o2 when RX indicated...
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I looked back cat, your right. I did say reminded. I guess in a way it was. But I said it in a way that I needed to be reminded because I take care of their dr appts during the summer. I was telling her I needed to know the date and time so I wouldn't commit to doing any summer field trips. That's when she let me have it that she WAS NOT going back to that dr. And it's ironic. Just let my fil say he wasn't keeping a dr appt. She would not put up with that for a minute. She really is a wonderful, loving, woman. So I hope none of you think differently. All of these things I mention are so out of character for her. And cat, I will definitely tell Doug. love, lisa
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Hi Lisa: I was thinking that your MIL was angry about you "reminding" her of the lung doc appointment, as in she forgets and she doesn't want to be reminded that she forgets. I think what you are saying is that she doesn't want to go to the lung appointment. It is puzzling isn't it and maybe all connected. Good idea to have someone stay with FIL after surgery.

Have a happy SURPRISE birthday. And tell Doug the kick ass girls were in on it too and are sending him the warmest Happy Birthday wishes.

Love and Hugs, Cattails
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Kimbee, thanks for the info. I will definitely look that up. Doug has said absolutely no party for his birthday. Imagine his surprise when we go meet his parents and sil at her house to go to dinner when everyone screams surprise. he said honey, our life has been all about drama. So let's just be bored for once. NOT!! This is the best! Kind of drama. He'll be in a tiny snit when we get there, but he will so be over it real quick. Happy times!
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Girls I understand what your saying. All of us, including Doug, need to make her see reason about her lung specialist. We know with the ALZ issue it will take some tender coaxing. She has one lung in terrible shape. Not being treated w/ her medication isn't optional. The lung is so weak, if she gets an infection one more time it could be devastating. That's why we've backed off with the ALZ issues. Her physical health is more pressing. Somehow we have to make her see reason. I'm waiting for the appt to take fil to have more skin cancer removed from his face. The last time 5 months ago was so bad for him. He had to sleep in recliner because he wasn't allowed to lay flat. We got a phone call at 3 a.m. Last time. My mil woke and went in the room and was trying to pull his bandages off to change the dressing. The dressings couldn't be removed for 72 hours. She went back to bed and he called us. That's when it actually hit him. The kids are right. Doug went straight over and slept the rest of the night on the couch. So somehow one of us will stay with him after the surgery this time to see how all goes. We have a lot to learn. It's just puzzling. Because after that incident she cried the next day. Told us she didn't know why she thought she needed to change those bandages, or why she was so angry when he wouldn't let her. But we are going to figure this out. As you said, keep loving them and spend all the time we can.
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Lisa: I'm thinking that you should back off a bit with your MIL too. I'm afraid that your good intentions will create a rift that will be very painful to both of you. Your FIL is in a good position to give her reminders on medical appointments and you can work through him. He knows what's going on and I think he is in a better position to ease her fears and to talk with her about problems as they arise. She may wear the pants in the family, but I'm sure she trusts him and knows she can count on his compassion.

At some point, she will hopefully be more open to talking directly to you about the problems, but let her get comfortable talking to FIL first. In the meantime, be there for her and share the good times that are currently happening. Celebrate life with those you love best.

Eventually, your FIL may have to speak with Doug and ask for his help in reaching your MIL. That may require a longer time of waiting, but it my be what works in the end.

Sending you love and comfort, Cattails
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Hi everybody,
Lisa mayo clinic dot com has a nice article about alz myths. There r some points nicely spelled out that may help you organize some "talking" points for Doug's mom (or Doug too) or w mil, maybe thinking points! Go to the main address, then to "health information". Next: "expert blogs" and "alz". Look at the June 26 '12 entry Myths N misconceptions...

Sorry bout your Sunday visit. Might help to back off n just be loving. The right moment will present itself sooner if she feels supported in her fear. Which of course we can empathize with. Start with where she is right now ( rather than where u wish she would be) to get her reengaged, and more trusting of you traitors! Denial exists to protect our psyche fom that which is more than we can handle without our minds coming unhinged. Fear and anxiety are related to perceived loss of control. We are all rooting for you about Doug's mom too. Hugs and prayers. R u staying cool? I have family in dc area- they lost power in 5 state region- not expected to be fully repaired for an entire week, meanwhile still in the 100s w high humidity through the week. OMG! I'd just die! We offered our home, they r waiting to see if fed jobs will require them to be at work first. Fed is really strict w their policies for employees, contrary to popular belief!
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Maybe you could get a sledgehammer and whenever you or doug are upset, go take a few swings at it til it's matchsticks.

I agree you should document the event...with photos too...but you know what. I would never never never ever bring it up to your mother. It's not clear to me if she did this on purpose or if she did it and forgot, but I'd be boiled in oil before I'd let her know that it caused you an instant of problems.

I also agree that this is a good go to memory for when you are tempted to give in, or when you are being prodded by others to loosen your stance. Bull!
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Bandit and I took the Sunday paper to in-laws this morning and had a nice visit. And then I opened my mouth. Reminded her the 3 month check up is nearing with her pulmonary(lung?) specialist. My fil (the terd) grabbed his coffee cup and headed to the garage. Next time I'll wait for sil. Just so much nicer to dig the foot outta your ass with a partner. At least she's still gonna make Doug his pig eatin' cake for his birthday Tuesday.
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My outdoor thermometer is reading 104. Now we are under a severe thunderstorm warning till 11 p.m. We just picked out the shingles for our roof and work starts next week. SIGH!!! Same storm system that ripped thru Ohio.
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WELL THE CAPS CERTAINLY GOT OUR ATTENTION... SO WHAT EVER WORKS....... how's the room coming along, which color did you pick??? hugs to you this morning...
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