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OK Lisa: Your crime against God and Country is that you did not let your mother accumulate additional medications (ones that could be abused) while she was living with you. Your goal was that she over dose or pain medication or mind altering medications and you saw to it that she took her pills as prescribed by her doctor.

Wow, I wonder how many years you can get for that; especially now that you know there is a written letter from her pain management doctor accusing her of abusing her use of prescriptions and essentially hoarding pills or taking more than prescribed.

I know you are upset right now, but try to see this objectively. The DEA has bigger fish to fry than you. It's not like you stole your mom's pain meds and then sold them on the street. The reality of the situation is that your story is corroborated by the letter from her pain management doctor.

I'm sure your mom is royally pissed off right now. She got caught scamming the system and now she's having a hard time getting a drug supplier. She can call one of her other doctors and explain and eventually things will get worked out for her. In the meantime, she can take tylenol.

I'm sure your mom will call the DEA. Maybe she'll call the police too. She'd call the President if she could get through. She'd feed you to the wolves if she had some and could tell them how to get to your home. She'd run over you if she had a car. NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN, except you may (and I restate May) have to explain to one more person that your mother is a crazy, out-of-control, sociopath and a royal bitch with a long history of abuse.

You have so many witnesses to this that you need a program to keep all the witnesses straight. Why don't you keep a notebook of the problems that come up and all the people who witness them.

Who in the world do you think people are going to believe; you and Doug or your crazy, foul mouthed mother? They are going to believe you.

I think you have to look at your mom as some people have to look at various illnesses. Some illnesses have cures and some are chronic and have to be continually managed. You mom is a chronic problem. Just when you think you are rid of her, cured of having to see or hear from her, she blows through the phone lines and disrupts your life with her threats and hate. This will continue. She's a chronic pain in the ass. Your job is to manage the affect on you that her outbursts and hatefulness bring about. Don't respond and don't let her scare the crap out of you. She has no power and you did nothing wrong.

Start breathing, deep breaths. Things will be ok. It's just another chronic intrusion by DQ. Sending you love and hopefully comfort.

Hugs, Cattails
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Yes, I called him. He is calling to see if any calls on the landline can be forwarded to him. And I'm still hesitant to do that. Let me tell you why. I think I need to keep every single message and save everyone of them. She dosen't have anyone to spew her venom at except me. Ladies, I truly believe at some point she will have to be committed. Now without the drugs keeping her somewhat sedated, I think I'm seeing and hearing now just how dam crazy she is. If I can just hold on long enough, they have a guardian appointed, then that guardian and this state would surely have to address all this?? Can I insist on it even if I've given up any say in her care? I need to find out these things right?
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First off you are not responsible for your mother doctor shopping and they (the doctors) or at least the Pharmacy should have bee on top of it. They also dea
should reconize that your mother is drug seeking. If you were the POA and you made the appts for her and were responsible for her drugs you might have something to worry about but you have back up. I know you stated Doug cannot change his phone # but what about you changing your cell and have all the house calls forwarded to Doug's cell. (Can you have #'s blocked). I fell for you. We have residents here at our NH that cheek their meds to avoid taking them or saving them for later. Have you called Doug?
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My God, I am so angry with myself that I ever let that woman put one foot in my door!!
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Well, if only Doug could make the DQ's phone calls cease. She's in a mood today. The pain management dr that dropped her as a patient sent her a formal letter. He has accused her of dr shopping. One message after another screaming. Plain and simple truth is she never reported any of her hospital visits and the 20 day rebab visits that left her with all those extra Meds. Her own dr never adjusted the Xanax that were left over extra. How unethical is that. So now her messages are downright threats. She's calling the DEA on me for destroying the pain Meds that was extra while she lived in my home." I'll see your fat ass sitting in jail just like the sisters you thought you were so much better than". I don't see how that could happen. What I did do was stop the abuse while living in my home. Even then she would skip pills and hide them so she could overmedicate herself. Then the days she was without till they were filled that next Saturday she would stay in bed the entire day. So what am I going to do now? Do you think there's any way to head off the shit she's about to bring down on me? Keep in mind this crazy ass woman has spent a lifetime doing this crap to people. I've called my boss. She has staff meeting tomorrow with the heads of transportation. She's going to make sure they are aware of the possibilities of phone calls of accusations against me. Please don't think I'm worrying for nothing.I know her, and I'm trying to be proactive and not sit and wait for hell to rain down on me. what can I do about the dea. Call them? Set up an appointment?
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Lisa: I agree that you should take some time off. Enjoy the summer with your family and take the time to adjust to a new reality. Maybe even get through the rest of the year, the holidays, etc. before you get involved in volunteering at a nursing home.

I loved your idea of spending a little more time with your MIL and FIL. Summer evening BBQ's and evening board games. Relaxing time and the simple pleasures of just being together and connecting.

If you get involved in volunteering, it might be wise to keep that to yourself and not let MIL know. It will probably cause her some anxiety in view of family concerns regarding her memory, etc.

I'm really happy that Doug is making calls to Jane. Hope that gets the ball rolling. In the meantime, keeping your distance from her becomes easier and easier.

Sending you lots of hugs and love, Cattails
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Maybe you should just take this summer to heal and float with Aunt Rae. The past 2 years have been pretty grueling for you.... not a bad idea to have a summer for yourself. Go for it!
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Good point kimbee. Those are Doug and the girls thoughts too. Jen is very adamant. This summer is for you mom. My aunt raes pool is up and being filled now. It's going to take at least a few days to fill. Going to give the dogs a bath today. We've been lucky over the years not having problems with fleas on our dogs. Doug has always treated our yard regularly. Don't know why they have fleas this year. We have 3. Beths is angel, a llaso. Jen has a corgy, nala. And Doug and I have bandit. A shitzu. We lost our 2 best friends in the last 3 years. Our Casey was a golden retriever. We had to put him to sleep 3 years ago. He was 14. Then exactly 1 year to the day we lost Sadie. She was 17. I have 2 great nephews who learned to walk with Casey. He was so gentle. They would grab his hair and just walk along with him. We had the option to have them cremated but Doug was so against it. I wasn't sure why. But it became clear. He made a garden in the back that is beautiful. We went to the "concrete lady" in indianna and bought statues and they took pictures of our dogs and painted them. They turned out beautiful. Look just like our baby's. Then the next addition to their garden was the benches the girls added the next spring. Nala and Casey were the best of friends. Those first few months nala would lay on his grave and we would literally have 2 pick her up To bring her back in the house. The DQ was living here when Sadie died, and daily for months she would throw in my face you can cry for a stupid ass dog but not for your own sisters? Your sick in the head. Don't know why I'm telling you about our dogs. They have always brought our whole family such joy. I'm sure some of you are finding the same joy in your animals. Well, time for their baths. Thank goodness they all love to be bathed.
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Volunteering? Pick me, pick me!! Does ur family need u for a while 1st? Don't you need some time? I'd be frazzled and need a little rest after As the W T A M. That said, u make great decisions and oh how lucky those pt's would be to get a little Lisa luv!!

Good ole SuperDoug! Look out mrs Jane- u really messed up-wonder if she got the forms out of her drawer yet? hehe. We know she' not busy "checking" on her tenants, she may be sidetracked by some twitching?

Here in NC, we have the same hot forecast. So off to flood my plants and garden before we head to the beach. Everybody stay cool! Luv, luv, luv u all!
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Good morning everyone. Think I'll be hibernating this week. 100+ temperatures here in Louisville thru Monday. Relief centers will be open thru Monday at least.
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Hahahaha! I had a big smile on my face when I read "And you just let me know if my calls are upsetting you." Now... if he only had a brother in his 20's for my daughter... :)
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Your Doug is Priceless!!!!
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Doug called. He made the first of many planned phone calls to Jane. Has any paperwork been issued yet on the petition for guardianship? Well mr ford, it's a process. These things don't happen overnight. Yes Jane, I understand. And you just let me know if my calls are upsetting you. After watching the hell my wife goes thru I would never knowingly put another human being under that stress. So I'll be in touch again further into the week. lMAO. Twitch twitch
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I know your right kimbee. Think I was having a massive pity party going on yesterday. I think I need to concentrate on my mil now. I wanna spend some extra time with her. I always love being with her, but I have to do it in such a way that she thinks I'm not "watching" her for the different signs of ALZ. She's very suspicious of the sil's and myself now. The last 2 years experiencing nh's(moms 20 days vacation) I would go around visiting and talking to patients who actual HAD reasons to be there. One day I made it to the section where the patients stayed who lived there. A woman was sitting in her chair with a doll laying across her lap and gently patting it on the back. She saw me and told me to get back to bed before I tell your father. Reading everything I get my hands about ALZ I just told her yes mam. That's the first time I really feared for my mil. Was this woman at one time strong like her? How fast did this progress? And then? How it must hurt the ones who love her best to see her like this. Have they ever been able to accept just what is. I mention on another thread last night I've been thinking about volunteering at a local nh. Yes, I think it would give me much needed experience, but also how cool to spread some love to men and women who have no family, or family who simply just live too far away to visit often. Any thoughts on this? Oh, plus, I have a friend who rented out her condo to move home and care for her mother who has some dementia. I've been trying to get her join ac. At times she feels like she's losing her own mind. I've told her about the caregiver stories on here and the excellent suggestions. She called last night and said you won't believe what she did at 3:30 this morning. Her mom woke up and was in her room screaming at the top of her lungs that the milkman ran over her dog. She said good grief, I was in a sound sleep and jumping up ran to the front door. Then it hit me. Her dog was in bed with her yapping away at her mother. By the time we hung up we had laughed so hard. I told her now see? Laughter is good. I just wish I could have seen her jumping out of that bed. I told her it was probably a blessing she was fully awake by the time her mom was screaming at her to get her shotgun so she could shoot the milkman. Heeheeheehee. Ok time to get the roast in the crockpot. Love to all.
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Oops, should have read: "what's NOT so universal..."
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Lisa, yout reactions are universal, who wouldn't be worn out! What's so universal is the speed and grace you have as you make such impressive progress creating a strong boundary that separates you from your mom's never-ending "stuff"! You keep ur chin up-you're doin' GREAT.
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Hugs across the miles to you Lisa.....
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Hey girls. Uneventful day. Took students on a field trip. Slept horrible last night. Just feeling blue today. Everything just taking it's toll on me. After yesterday I just feel like I took ten steps back. I know I shouldn't think like that. Went back and read a few hundred post. So I'm over the poor pitiful me party. I think I'll have an early night. I'll wake tomorrow in a good place. Yesterday, I think, was more brutal because of the withdrawals. So, I'm over it.
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Oh come on ya'll this thread will be here for a long time, Lisa still has a few moutaints to climb and we are all helping hold the rope, and besides, this is how successful threads start and maintain, friendships have been made here, when things settle down to a mild roar, then we'll just check in with each other like we do elsewhere on this sight.... and someone is going to come on here and need what Lisa got... and now the number is added to by 1 who has been there done that.... And hey, tell Jane, I'll take her job in a heartbeat, and I AIN'T EVEN about getting families back together knowing what she knows about your situation... you do know you can at least request another case worker, but agree with many here, if the lady can't do her job, go above her head, which should only be about ass hole high as I really belive thats where HER head is....let us know the next installment...... sure takes my mind off my own stuff ..... hugs to everyone....
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Austin, I totally agree. That was my 1st thought: hmm... They didn't even have social work degrees 40 years ago! No soap & MRSA-so gross. Saw a doc exam open MRSA, grapefruit sized, no gloves-went straight to typing w o soap or sanitizer. Yuck. PLS REPORT STUFF LIKE THAT YOU ENCOUNTER!!
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If the social worker has been in this business for 40 years that explains -now adays their training is so way above then that of years ago-she really needs to steo down to a lower position and let a newer grad take over-just like our director at our senior center has been at her job so long she is not putting her whole self into her job and I am so glad Lisa fought so hard to be heard that will do more than many complaints-I wounder if that facility is inspected like hospitals and nursing home are -at least in NY and any written complaints even those washed over are addressed upon inspection-like the time my husband has MRSA and there was no soap in the bathroom for vistors and staff to wash their hands.
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Well, I'll miss a whole thread devoted to Lisa, for sure! We'll all be glad when DQ quits being DQ....(crazy sociopath - Cattails, you crack me up), but having a place to check in has been great - like dialing a friend's phone number and I have to admit, I'm going to be sad when this phone number is disconnected! I'd twitch and snicker and snort here but I've don't want to spill my coffee. :)
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Ya know, Lisa, when things calm down and everyone is convinced DQ is Not Your Problem, and you don't have daily updates for us, I won't miss you on this thread. I'll enjoy reading your encouragement and advice on other threads!
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Lisa: I understand that you talked to the prosecutor's office...(was this Adult Protective Services) and they told you that, "Any child who knows of crimes committed against parent, or a parent is need of medical attention or in dire straits, and that child willingly does nothing? Then that child has committed a crime."

Lisa, this is a general statement. Yes, if you are living with your parent and they are in need of medical attention and you will not call an ambulance, then you have some responsibility in their demise or lack of treatment. It does not mean that you have to jump everytime a crazy sociopath says jump.

If you need to get an attorney to make you feel more secure, then do that, but make sure the attorney knows his shit. You don't need to be bullied by one side and then financially drained from another.

I am a somewhat common sense person and I have spent almost 40 years married to someone who has been in law enforcement. We are retired now, but he still works, part time, as an criminal investigator for the county we currently live in. We are from California and now living in Washington state. California is far and beyond Washington in training and sophistication where laws are concerned. Washington is a little backwards is our estimation. Maybe you state is a little backwards too, but it just does not make sense that a mentally ill mother is you burden in life. That's BS.

I'm going to go back to my original suggestion to you. Call the people you know in Adult Protective Services and tell them that your mother needs a mental evaluation and a guardian appointed. Tell them what they already know. That she is mentally ill, abusive and a threat to herself and YOU WILL NOT TAKE RESPONSIBIiTY FOR HER. You can document this in so many ways.

We will wait to see what happens as a result of Doug's talk with Jane, but do not expect that this will go away. The responsibility needs to be shifted. It can be done if problems continue.

I hate to say this, but what will we all do when your mom stops being a problem. I am embarrassed to say this, but no one who is honest on this tread could not admit that we will miss the shit your mom pulls. If she ever gets a guardian, we all want to be in email contact with her/him. Twitch, Twitch, Snicker, Sniker, Snort, Snort. Love Ya, Cattails.
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Oh my! Let me just say, I've never encountered so many intelligent, wonderful people in one place ever before. You are all so amazing and smart and protective and hilariously funny! Lisa, you are LOVED!

The cemetary: Could that have been the first time you were able to exercise any real control over your life? And you reached out for the help you needed too. Please don't think of it as nutty behavior--it is not--it's wonderful. Was it the first step in getting yourself a life, other than the one imposed on you? You get your peace anywhere you can find it. Glad Doug knows you completely. And judgement here? Yes, we ARE judging you--to be a wonderful, wise and special woman who is truly a survivor. Our care and love for you is UNCONDITIONAL and safe. Remember that, OK? Yes, it's brave to bare your sole here, but geesh, hasn't it worked out well!!

Doug: your knight in shining armor, the envy of women everywhere. A true MAN and a rockin husband! Doug is a wonderful front-man for the Kick Ass Women-thank you, and thank you Doug, for the great way you love and protect your wife and family, and share them with us. (It's ok if you're secretly glad we are virtual)

Mom, oops, I mean DQ: Played JANE like a fiddle! Glad mom was on the receiving end and got to have someone cause HER a twitch for once-I think it's been a long time since she had a body jerk reaction-other than her recent withdrawal issue!

Jane: Was thinking she was young or inexperienced. 40 years-Really? Extra pathetic. Sorry Jane. Ask your supervisor for help and more training. Better yet. Retire. Keeping families together? Really, Seriously. I think Doug may have given her a twitch AND played her like a fiddle! A little double teaming was quite in order. She thinks she can dump POA duties on you, more like POW! If some progress isn't forthcoming, a nicely toned written record of her disregard for your multiple guardianship requests, especially after witnessing the abusive behaviors towards Lisa, with a copy to the agency director, should help protect you from the long arm of that absurd K-law and would effectively keep some pressure on her from the top down. Sometimes the best defense is a good offense-have you thought of contacting the co agency who handles Guardianships to let them know of the abusive behavior and your valid need for some distance. You could possibly find out if any paperwork has already been started too...

MIL: I'm glad she has been your rock. I'm so sorry she's having problems. It's a good thing to know when to tuck tail and run! I hope the right answer will present itself. I'm touched by what you wrote, beautiful.

Lisa: You're fierce. Be good to yourself.

Luv and hugs to you all.
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WOW! Lisa, that is some man you have - Go, Go, Doug!!! He rocks!!! he is doing exactly the right things, and following up too - AWESOME!!!

As for jane wanting to bring families together - maybe - (or maybe she is covering her butt as others have mentioned), but in any case that doesn't work for the good guys in dysfunctional families. They just get more abuse. Where is her head, and where has it been for 40 years????

It is great you found Johnny's grave - you needed that, and still do. I go places in town where Gordie (my son who was killed 10 years ago) and I went, and I get some peace. Once we got mac-hamburgers and sat down by the river looking at the trees in the fall . He ate some of my fries, and most of my sundae. It is a good memory, and I get a good feeling going back there.

I like this Johnny Depp quote - "I am always fascinated by people who are considered normal, because I find them the weirdest of all."

No one thinks you are nuts, Lisa. You are a wonderful. warm, sane woman, who has been put up with much too much, and is coming through it with flying colours. You are moving away from your mum steadily - going in the right direction! You are getting to the place you want to be.
Love and hugs (((((((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))))))
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And remember my telling you about showing up at prosecutors office threatening I would see someone or they would have to physically remove me? The laws were explained to me very clearly. Any child who knows of crimes committed against parent, or a parent is need of medical attention or in dire straits, and that child willingly does nothing? Then that child has committed a crime. That phone call today was , I believe putting me in a position do something or else. Someone said earlier in this thread that some are using my fear of the authorities to get my cooperation. And girls, I do have that fear. It's hard not to when you are sitting across from the very one who prosecutes for those crimes avaunt the elderly. So Doug was very careful with his words regarding the calls. They will be answered, but only on his phone.
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And thank you for sharing about your brother.... what a special and private thing you shared.... you are just awesome LIsa, God bless your heart.....
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First of all, I don't know who is my bigger hero, you or Doug, well, it will just have to be both of you...
Next, we have places here in Texas called Dairy Queen, of course we call it DQ, I will NEVER EVER EVER be able to eat there again..... that's a good thing, but they do have some killer ice cream...
Next, never ever be afraid to tell anyone that you did what you felt you should do.... none of here are judging you that;s for sure...... and it's not over until it's over, that's why a while back I stated how good this thread is for people possibly going thru something simialar....to know, it's not a one time situation..... it's not a final goodbye, but everyone will get it loud and clear... It's not your problem... and please tell Doug that there are some tired cranky cheerleaders out here who just adore him..... that the two of you have given us all hope and courage to stand up and say, NO... it's done... extra prayers for you and your family Lisa.....
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I'm back. I have to tell you girls something before I get to Doug and Jane. When I posted earlier when I came home from the cemetery, I deleted it twice. I couldn't help thinking you all have to just be sick and tired of listening to this crap. And then, I am so ashamed that I let this happen to me again. Then I tell you about the cemetery. No other person on earth knows about my visits and conversations with Johnny except Doug. Not even my daughters. Then my minds racing. I shouldn't have shared that cause they'll think I'm as nuts as she is. So yes I have to explain. Never once did anyone offer to take me to the cemetery after he died growing up. The day I got my license, I found that cemetery and went to their office and those people took a young lady who was already crying by the time I explained who I was trying to find, and they put me in their car and took me to him. It had been 7 years. That man and woman sat in their car well over an hour and let me visit. And girls when I left there I felt such peace. I just don't know how else to explain it. That feeling I left with that day? I can still leave with that feeling. Each and every time I visit. Now the Doug and Jane. Bwahahahahaha. No more phone calls will be coming to the house or my cell phone. She will be meeting with mom Thursday. She is recommending that petition for guardianship through the county. Doug made it very clear that any information needed, any further involvement on our part will go thru him. He also made it clear that the records over the years thru cas obviously show she cannot make sound decisions protecting herself from the grandchildren. He said correct me if I'm wrong but did you not tell my wife that it's your job to protect her now? If you cannot or will not help the woman I need to know before I leave this building. Does your job as social worker not extend to social services. You told me you've had this position for 40 years. Are you telling me you do not have the resources or capabilities to accomplish this. Well no mr ford, it is my wish to bring families together. Then he said mam, have you not noticed there has only been one person who has signed in at that desk? She does not have a grandchild who will step in. No longer will I allow? My wife to be taken back to where she was taken again today. When I called Doug from pharmacy he put it on speaker phone. She heard all I told him. That was when he said get her back here and don't come in. Just leave. Well girls, that was why Doug said let's go. I'll meet you there. He had planned after telling me to go on up to get Jane there. She told him she dosen't make a habit of spying on the tenants. But she went anyway. So that is where we stand now. Doug said he's not going to permit her to sit on her hands. He will call every few days to see what if anything gets done with guardianship.
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