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I use a fertilizer named Milorganite to deter deer. It does seem to help. Comes in a bag, maybe 10 or 20 pounds. Just sprinkle it around the area they aren’t wanted. Downsides are it smells like #*@% and it has to be reapplied after rain.
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Oh! I did not know Milorganite would deter deer! I have some and was saving it to use on my rhodies (as fertilizer, not repellant, since deer don’t touch them.) Maybe I’ll break it out and try it on my deer candy. Thank you for the tip!
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I tried to tackle the bamboo this afternoon - it definitely was NOT therapeutic! I have 2 large patches that the original owners planted when they built the house in 1977 and I think they’ve been left to their own devices since then. Lots of dead and dying canes in the middle with healthy ones growing around the outsides. It was like trying to cut and pull giant sticks through the bars of a cage. Someone please tell me something pleasant about your garden today!
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A nearby park has a community garden.
We park there to eat our lunch.

We decided to leave the gardening to the real gardeners.
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Send help, you are wise. Unfortunately, gardening chose me!
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Nacy, I had 3 Cannas when we moved in but this year only one came up and it never got tall or bloomed. I didn’t dig them but I don’t think you have to here. I’m thinking gophers got them. We have a horrible problem with gophers, voles, moles, etc.

I finished the bamboo clean up yesterday and by the time I got done I was so sore I couldn’t sleep. Better today.

How much snow do you get on average over there?
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Aw, that’s so nice, Nacy, although they would probably become gopher food too! Canna foliage is pretty enough - they don’t even need the lily but you’ve got to feel a little cheated after a whole season waiting.

50” is a lot of snow but I understand what you mean about the peacefulness. I used to be able to tell, even before getting out of bed in the morning or looking out the window, whether it had snowed during the night, just because of the muffled quiet. I miss it a little, but only a little.
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I know cold, wet and dark is only weeks (days?) away but I can't bring myself to put my yard and garden to bed while the nice weather lasts.
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Enjoy the nice weather while it lasts! I just got back from two garden centers, and as usual, spent more than I set out to. I’ve got tulip and hyacinth bulbs now, tucked away in the fridge where they’ll get their first winter before they go in the ground around Christmas time for their next winter, and already looking forward to beautiful blooms in the spring. I bought more dusty miller, snapdragons, pansies, and dianthus, all of which bloom happily all winter, unless it’s a very unusual winter and freakishly cold. My mom took a picture once in her yard of her pansies peeking up blooming through the snow. Of course the snow was an inch or two and last only a day or two, but she was proud of her favorite flower. Our awful humidity is finally gone so I have weeks of good gardening before first freeze. Hubby is helping me trim and clear out what’s done for the year. Happy fall all…
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Something chewed a hunk out of one of my soaker hoses.

I finally had a plumber out yesterday to replace the leaky outdoor faucet. But when I hooked everything back up and turned it on I had a geyser in the back border between the woods and the yard. I’m glad it’s almost monsoon season.

I think the wildlife around here preferred the previous owner and are working together to sabotage me. I must say, I’m offended, but I don’t blame them.
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cw -enjoy it while it lasts

daughter - what a wonderful selection. and Oh My flowers that bloom in the winter. I wish! I remember seeing roses blooming in a garden in Scotland in February in the snow

nacy - zinnias have such vibrant colours.

Psue - geysers - I used to point mine at the parts of the garden that needed water the most. Of course I got wet in the process, but in the summer it was kind of fun. I had a resident red squirrel who was very territorial. Always had one over the 40 years. Couldn't have been the same one I think. Early on he set up his home in the garage, which I couldn't allow. I tried everything tasty to entice him out but he wouldn't budge. So I thought "No more Mr Nice Guy" and pulled down the garage door leaving just enough room for a squirrel to escape. Then I turned on the car and let it run. Mr Squirrel got the message very fast, left and never returned to the garage. He was smart.
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Hah, Golden, you are clever! Lots of squirrels here - the construction guys closed one in the garage over the weekend and it chewed the weatherstripping all the way around the door. They replaced it.

The critters are really something around here. Both the cushions on my front porch loveseat have had all the piping chewed off. Birds sit on the windowsills and jump at their reflections. Bats roost in the patio umbrella. Chipmunks climb our ‘hobbit’ doors and scratch to get in. Owls wake me up at night. Frogs chirp in the downspouts (sounds like they’re using a megaphone) I love/hate them all!

Nacy, I did the same thing with all my plants when I moved. The light is very different here and I knew they would be goners if I brought them. My poor girlfriends managed to absorb them all.
I curated down to 6 which was difficult but a lot less work.
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Nacy - I had many interested in mine when I posted on a facebook site.

Psue -sounds like you have a zoo there! We had bats when I grew up and lots of excitement trying to catch them when they got in the house. My father would run around swiping at them with a towel while my sister and I ducked and shrieked while we covered our hair.

We have 4 catalpa seedlings remaining. They are not happy since I brought them in doors, so we will see. Rocky tried to eat one so I have to put them somewhere safe and bring her grass inside.

The farmer combined his wheat field outside our place yesterday and today so I dare not go out (allergies). Even R was suffering from the grain dust b/c of going outside We are keeping the windows and patio doors tight shut.
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It’s a perfect day to get outside and find some gnarly sticks and vines to use as Halloween decorations. DGD helped me pull all the spooky stuff out of storage over the weekend and I could use some fillers from the woods.

It’s fun to arrange all my ghost and goblins again but I find as I’m up on the ladder for the first time this year, I’m pulling the real spider webs off the ceiling beams so I can hang up the fake ones!
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Well, I tried to get outside but our annual stink bug and box elder beetle plague has officially begun - just another example of the wildlife trying to get the best of me. On warm, sunny Fall days they swarm and you can’t keep them out of your hair!
I did take a good photo of an enormous orb spider outside the kitchen window with several beetles in her web. Very messy, but I will leave her there for Halloween.
Nacy, we get no trick or treaters here. Our house looks a little bit witch-in-the-woods-y and is set down a steep driveway in a neighborhood with no sidewalks or streetlights. Not very inviting to tasty little children (cackle, cackle)!
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Golden, there were breathtakingly beautiful Catalpas in the high dessert where I used to live. I’m talking HUGE trees with incredible bark texture and 18” long pods. They were pretty common over there but I haven’t seen a single one since moving back to the Pacific NW. I don’t know your climate but if you can grow them where you are, you are lucky indeed.
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Patchy frost this morning and my furnace kicked on last night, I guess the summery idyll is truly at an end.
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I guess when to turn on the furnace depends on your cold tolerance. My house thermostat has been reading 67° the last few mornings so I turned on the furnace and set it to come on if it dropped to 66° overnight, that's plenty cold enough for me!
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I think the igniter is going out in living room gas fireplace; it wouldn’t light this morning and I love starting my day with coffee in front of the fire. Just had the mini-split serviced last week. I guess I need to call the fireplace guys now. Fall is expensive.
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AH, (insert multiple swear words here)! The deer breached the wire cage and stripped the Crape Myrtle! They don’t even eat the leaves; just yank them off and spit them in the dirt!
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I just found this section of the Forum, and am so glad!!!!!I l love gardening and it is a life saver with dealing with my husband who is wheelchair bound. I have a pond (about 12x12) with frogs, tadpoles and fish and it is so uplifting to go and watch them while I decompress. It is the end of the season here (central PA) and I am cleaning up and planning for next year.
Hope to find new friends on this site.
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Psue - R got the catalpa pods from a tree in Calgary, Alberta We are further north than that. I looked it up and Northern Catalpas will grow in Canada so we are trying it. Rocky has munched a little on the leaves of two of the seedlings, but I have warned her off and she is usually pretty good then. We will nurse them in doors this winter and plant them out next spring. Apparently they can grow up to 100 ft tall. What a pain about those pesky deer!!! They really are destructive.

We have had the gas fireplace on and also the furnace at times, but then this is Canada and we have had the air conditioning on and the patio doors open too.

We find the condo temp hard to regulate. It gets too hot very quickly. We have learned to prop the front door open a bit to get a current of air through from the hallways, which is usually cooler than in here. There has been one frost only but more are coming.

Geese and ducks have been feeding outside in the field after the combining. Good pickings!
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Hi Dill!
I’m envious of your pond but wonder how you keep the raccoons and other critters from feasting on your fish. I have a spot in my lawn that stays wet until June and I’ve been wondering what to do with it since I can’t mow down there until the grass is a foot high. Not sure about a pond because of the abundance of destructive critters I already feed, not to mention the maintenance. It would be beautiful down there though since that part of the yard is overlooked by the main floor deck.
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Golden, you live in a condo that overlooks open farm fields? How lovely! (and itchy, but worth it for the view). AND you have room to plant Catalpas there? It sounds wonderful.
I have been researching trees that will grow in our clay soil and the list is not long. Half the year it is heavy and wet and the other half it is a brick. But I am desperate for some more brilliant Fall color as the house is surrounded by huge firs and aging big leaf maples that turn golden brown but not red or orange.

Nacy, I’ve had mixed luck with old bulbs. Seems like the gophers get to them before they can get a root-hold. It will be fun to see what you get in the Spring.

Golden, I almost missed that you grew the Catalpas from seed! Bravo!!
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psue - not itchy and we do not have room to plant trees though R will overwinter a few seedlings on the edge in the farmer's field outside our unit. Some survive. He has grown an oak and silver maples so far which have been transplanted to the lake.

I have a 50' x150' lot near a lake and about 10 minutes drive away from here in what once once a summer village, but is becoming a bedroom community for people to commute to the city. It is overgrown with tansy and poplars right now, but we plan on planting some more trees - apples, a Shubert chokecherry, the catalpas, and whatever. And also probably will grow some veggies and berries eventually and some perennials. I miss my Japanese anemones, delphiniums, hostas and roses.

We have a seed thing going here. R collects seeds and dries them. Then we try germinating them. We have some apple seeds drying now. It's really one of his hobbies but I am happy to help.

Would a Japanese maple work at your place? Apparently they tolerate clay soil as will a Virginia creeper and both turn red in the fall. I miss my Virginia creeper.
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@ Peasup .

My neighbor behind me has big beautiful sugar maples , bright orange in fall . They are in clay soil next to a swale , which in heavy rains turns into a stream . My back yard is higher on a hill on my street and is flat but slightly pitched down . Rain runs into the swale in my neighbors yard . Those tree roots must be in wet clay on the one side and they do fine . They’ve been there 20 years . We also have had some very dry summers past few years . 15 years ago we had a couple of really wet summers . Nothing seems to affect these trees.
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Golden,
Japanese Maples are on my list. I have three, but they are the lacy leafed kind, one green/peachy, one red/burgundy and one really weird one that with such fine grey-green leaves they look like fuzz. I was considering an upright, larger leafed variety. There is a gorgeous one I’ve seen that’s luminous copper until it goes dark in the Fall. There are so many beautiful Japanese maples and I have a great spot for one (or two or three) more.

Way,
I hadn’t thought about Sugar Maples. Great suggestion! I will look into those. There are four areas on the property I’d like to selectively ‘re-tree’ and sugar maples might work well in that too wet/too dry spot if they can handle being in the shade much of the day. There is an enormous big leaf maple stump in that spot and I suspect the decomposition of the roots over time is contributing to the sinking soil there. We call it the swamp from November through June.

Golden again,
How nice to have a place to retreat to and dig in the dirt. And near a lake! Good soil then! Bonus! Are the chokecherries you speak of trees or shrubs?
And thank you for mentioning Virginia Creeper. It had run through my mind (on the way to somewhere else apparently) when we first moved in. I have very fond childhood memories of the Virginia Creeper that grew over the windows of our house and I could sit inside and study the bees very close up.

Now I just need several thousand dollars and someone very strong who has a pickup truck and enjoys digging holes in bricks!
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It's sunny and mild and the predictions are for an extended period of rain and cold so this morning I've been disassembling my gazebo and gathering up my remaining planters. I hate it because I have to make decisions - the gazebo top is pretty fragile, can I patch it and make it last another year? do I want to? - should I bring in some of these plants so I can use them next summer? - how am I going to store all the planters and my bucket garden? - what about that big pile of soil, can I just cover it with a tarp and leave it there?
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Psue - start some maples from seed. You collect the seeds and dry them, then germinate them. Lots of info online about which seeds need what process. I germinated the catalpa on wet paper towel in a baggie in a warm spot in my kitchen. Then plant the germinated seeds in a pot of nice soil. I got my soil from Amazon. Once the seedlings have had a winter inside they should be saplings and OK to plant outside when the weather is nice. This way you don't need trucks and muscle because the saplings are small enough for you to plant with a shovel yourself and you have the satisfaction of seeing this tree grow from seed. Worth a try anyway!

We had clay back in Ontario when I was a child. Lots grew in it. We had climbing roses all over the garage, phlox, forget me nots, day lilies, sweet williams, snow drops, those tall chrysanthemums, holly hocks, caragana. lilacs, cedars, maples,...A neighbour had a great apple tree. Mother had a vegetable garden.

cw - decisions, decisions but not of the worst kind.

We have flocks of geese and ducks in the field outside feeding on the left over grain. They've been at it for a couple of days now. I love to hear the honking and quacking as they land. Then they chatter a bit amongst themselves as they are feeding, You see family units working together. After a while, more honking and quacking as they leave. I haven't got a pic yet of the flocks circling. I haven't been fast enough with my camera. The magpies, interestingly enough are quiet when the geese are here - a welcome change from the squawking they often do in the daytime, especially when Rocky goes on the balcony. They were chatting quietly to the each other after the geese left - quite pleasant sounds for a change.

R, of course, thinks of bringing down a few geese but we are in town.

Story about duck hunting and sand hill cranes.
An guy was talking about his "catch" when he shot a sand hill crane along with geese and ducks. He tried cooking it but it was very tough.
An old geezer told him "You have to use the Rock method".
"Rock method?"
" Yes. Put a rock in with the sand hill crane and cook them till the rock is done, Then throw anay the crane".

"T-t-t-that's all folks"
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cwillie, I admire anyone who can put together a pretty container garden. I don’t seem to have a talent for it.

Nacy, a patiette! I laid one this year too. It was a lot of fun, like a jigsaw puzzle, until the last 3 pieces. I was working between a curved stacked stone wall, a straight concrete sidewalk and a wood deck so those last 3 pieces were a real challenge. Got it done though and it’s pretty!

Golden, seeds are a smart idea. I don’t know if I have the patience for it but it would be very rewarding to reforest some of this property with trees I start myself. It’s definitely shocking to see the prices of trees in the nursery.

A week or so ago I’d noticed some weeds coming up in the gravel along the side of the house. They can’t be seen from the windows but I knew Id better get at them before the rains start or they will be huge by Spring. I gathered my gear and went out to get started and WONDER OF WONDERS! They aren’t weeds they’re Cyclamen! Dozens and dozens and dozens of them! I’m chortling in my joy!
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