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I like your story Daughterof1930 😂

I've been doing a little reading trying to figure out what kind of yellow jackets are most common here, it would most likely be vespula germanica (german wasp) or vespula vulgaris (common wasp). The ones I have dealt with are always either nesting in the ground or in a crack in a wall and can be aggressive to anyone just passing by, which is a problem because usually you have no idea they are there (until you do, ouch!).
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CWillie, I’m glad you’re okay. This is reminding me of a time years ago that I wanted an ugly, invasive bush taken out of our former yard. My helpful husband was digging it up when he encountered a swarm of yellow jackets that had an underground nest at the base of the bush. They attacked him with a vengeance and he ran! After some Benedryl and letting them calm, he tied a rope around the bush and then to his truck and pulled bush, roots, dirt and all down the street for miles with a swarm of yellow jackets trailing him! After he finally lost them, he untied what was left of the bush, tossed it somewhere and came home. I can still picture his red face driving off pulling a huge bush with yellow jackets following!
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You are right, Cwillie!

"Freezing weather kills yellow jackets.
In winter, a nest will only survive if it is in a temperature-controlled environment, like an attic space, garage, heated shed, or a wall void. When a yellow jacket nest survives the winter, the nest continues to grow."

Unless the nest is inside the garden shed....
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CWillie, were they in the ground?   I was stung once when pulling up weeds, which I didn't know were protecting the ground nest. Removing the weed jostled them around, and they swarmed out and made me painfully aware of their anger.

One thing I realized later is that they attack in formation.   There was a large "V" on my arm, created by their stings.   Crafty little buggers, they are (as Yoda might say).
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CWillie, here in Idaho, paper wasps are notorious for building nests on fences (wooden), eaves of houses ect. My daughter had a big nest inside their outdoor grill.

In California, my sister was stung around 17 times after putting the water hose in the flower bed for jasmine plants. They were in the soil. She had to take an antibiotic and Benedrill (sp?). Take care of yourself first.
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I'm fine. The little bugger got me on the back of the neck, fortunately it was just one sting although I did see a couple more flying around. I don't know what set them off, I wasn't wearing anything scented and I was just working by my garden shed, I hope there's not a nest around there. We're supposed to go down to -5°C tonight so that may put an end to them.
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Where were you stung?

Are you okay Cwillie?
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CWillie, was it one yellowjacket or a group of them?     How are you feeling now?    Any side effects?

You know that this is traumatic and you should rest, which means that any housework that might otherwise need to be done must now be put off until you feel better.

I've been stung too, once by a nest that left 26 stings!

Sending healing wishes your way.   Hope you feel better by tomorrow.
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Stings and bad bites are the worst. Haven't had a bad one in a long time but they leave an impression.
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cwille,

Ouch!
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Waaahaa, no more yard work for me today, I've been stung by a yellow jacket..... #$@&%*!
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Following the adage "don't put off for tomorrow what you can do today" I've been sucking up leaves even though less than half have fallen (I know my neighbours will be pleased). If my flower beds get too full I think I'll just brown bag them and pile them up to compost that way, it seems stupid to send all of that off to the landfill and then shell out good money for peat moss and mulch next spring, wasteful too.
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Glad, so sorry about the wildfires in CO. It’s awful that an elderly couple died from not wishing to evacuate. I heard it on the news. Heartbreaking...
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Daughter,

Thanks, I would have never thought of using newspaper. Makes sense though. It’s a good way to recycle the paper and would save money too.
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I use old newspapers and advertising circulars, spreading them out about 3-4 sheets thick in areas I’m using mulch and then place whatever I’m using for mulch on top of the papers. The paper is porous for water to go through, it lasts maybe 6-8 months before breaking down, and that’s enough time for weeds to be killed. I’ve found it really helps the mulch in cutting down on the weeds and has the added bonus that it doesn’t cost anything. I’ve used both wood chips and pine straw as mulch, good results with both. Can’t stand landscape fabric or plastic, or rocks, but that’s me
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Too low on gas to cut the lawn last weekend. So decided to wait until this weekend. Couldn't wait another week so picked up gas this morning to cut this afternoon when the temp was supposed to get up into the 50's. Then decided, around here you never know so cut in temp of 34 this morning. It was cold, but at least the winds were calm. Now the temp is up to 44, but the winds are starting to really gust and would be just as chilly as it was this morning. Last time this season...... Snow tomorrow.
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TDub, can you take any of your hanging baskets inside, or take cuttings to start new plants that can adapt to indoor living?    Some plants do as well indoors as outdoors, coleus for one.    They thrive under fluorescent lights.
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Once I was on a stroll in my neighborhood. There is a darling little cottage in the area that I have always loved. There is an old woman who has lived there for years and she has a very attractive yard.

She had a window box filled with blooms. I complimented her flowers as she was watering some of her evergreens.

She looked up at me with the biggest smile on her face and said thank you. I asked if those were her favorite flowers. Her response made me giggle so hard. She says, “Yes, they are artificial. They take care of themselves!” She was so cute!

She was pretty old and I thought, well why not? I don’t like fake flowers but they made her happy. No maintenance! LOL

From a distance people can’t tell that they aren’t real. It was a really cute flower box blooming with fake flowers!
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GardenArtist: You clearly have extensive experience. Thank you for sharing. And also for sharing what *didn't* work out well! I find these sorts of tales so helpful and reassuring.

I am watching the thermometer closely the next few days as our nighttime temps are predicted to drop below freezing...ever the optimist, I'm still trying to extend the life of my hanging baskets. Torn-up bedsheets, here I come! Last year I used large, pretty pillow cases on the smaller baskets (pulling them up from the bottom and tying with a loose, cheerful bow at the top) and was quite pleased with the effect. LOL - Husband (non-gardening, baffled): Uhm...this is not a permanent thing, right?

I wonder if he has visions of me using all the bedding out in the garden!?!
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Thanks, GA

Great info on mulch. Okay, leaves sounds practical. I have used straw and hay. I detest plastic! I will not use it. Do you have an opinion on rocks or pebbles?

I don’t want to attract rats! Nature is fascinating, isn’t it?
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NeedHelpWithMom, I'm partial to leaves, especially oak, for mulch.   But you have to have a lot of leaves if you have a larger yard.    What I used to do is gather the leaves of neighbors after they raked them to the street.   (It took me an average of 18 hours every Fall to gather enough leaves to mulch the garden!).  

Depending on the area you could use straw or hay - one has too many seeds which can cause invasive weeds to sprout and grow, but I don't remember which.   I also used dried grass clippings (until I got cited by code enforcement b/c grass clippings allegedly attract rats).  

This is a good article on the virtues of hay and mulch:
https://thegrownetwork.com/straw-vs-hay-which-makes-a-better-mulch/

What I would never use is plastic; it gets torn up and leaves bits of plastic, which you don't want in your garden.   I've also used wood chips, but made the mistake of using them fresh after a tree had been cut down and shredded.   There's disagreement on this, but I stand firm on my experience.

After spreading fresh wood chips (b/c the city code enforcement claimed that a pile of wood chips attracted rats and I needed to get rid of the chips), I noticed that some of the vegetation turned yellow and failed to thrive.  Only the daylilies managed to stay alive.  I lost irises and other flowers during this learning curve.

Some gardeners insist that fresh wood does not cause yellowing vegetation.  I disagreed, and saw it happen in my garden.

One thing I would never use is pebbles or small stones. Unless you use an underlayment like thick plastic, weeds grow right through the pebbles, and it's a real chore to remove them b/c at that point they need to be hand picked.
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NHWM: So now you know I've been looking up Plumbago, to learn more about it! I am reading that it is a groundcover? Is that how you are using it?
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I love watching the butterflies near my plumbago.
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Typo , harsh sun. Not hash! Hahaha
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What do most of you use for mulch? What is your favorite keeping our weeds?

I started planting ground a cover such as Asian jasmine. It’s fairly aggressive though and needs trimming fairly often. I have to watch it because it can climb. So, if not trimmed it will climb into my shrubs.

The thing that I like though is that it doesn’t have to be replaced as often as bark.

I also thought of using pebbles or small rocks. Have any of you tried that?

Also what kind of ornamental objects can withstand the hash sun and lots of rain?
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NHWM I try to do it before I'd otherwise have to endure frostbitten fingers 🤣

TDub - It couldn't be an honest to god American Elm, could it? There was a huge beauty in the town where I used to live (on elm street appropriately) but some sleazy developer cut it down 😭 As for the leaves, I find they tend to blow away unless they are chopped up, it makes it easier for the plants to come through in the spring too.
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When is the proper time to cut back perennials? I do it after blooming has stopped.

In the south it’s totally different. We have plants that bloom longer due to our warm climate.
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Cwillie - Yes, having extended or year-round green waste pickup is a real boon to those of us that have it. Even with weekly pickup there are times that I need to sneak extra garden waste into less-full bins of my neighbours.

I am a big fan of US gardening guru, Melinda Myers, and she advises to leave perennials standing through the winter and cut them back in spring. However, here in the Pacific NW our winters have so much rain that I kinda go half & half on that -- I do worry about some turning to mush so cut them back, and try to leave a few for the insects and pollinators to overwinter in.

We have an elm of unknown origin or parentage in our backyard (several arborists have been mystified as to what it exactly is -- our guess is some sort of slippery elm) and every year the leaves hold on, hold on...until one day when they just all drop in one majestic display of golden glory.

I have heard/read differing opinions on whether to chops leaves up if I'm using them as mulch, or leave them whole. I know I have to keep them pulled back from the crowns of plants. Other than that, I think this year I will try a blanket of whole leaves and hope it doesn't turn into an interwoven leafy mat of smothering doom for my bulbs.

This year we are also leaving (leaf-ing - LOL) more on the ground in our yards, as recommended by the Nature Conservancy of Canada. They have a great PSA/promo/contest on right now under "Small Acts of Conservation".

There is something so satisfying about being outside in the crisp (or damp) fall air and then coming back in to a rewarding hot beverage. Basically, I just like being outside in the company of plants. And occasionally my kitty, if he has nothing better to do.
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It is wet and chilly here today, I have my garden about half put to bed and I may leave some of the perennials until spring when I generally feel more enthusiastic. Our last day for leaf and yard waste pick up is at the end of the month and very little leaves have fallen yet from my norway maple or walnuts, given climate change I think my municipality needs to seriously consider pushing the dates to mid or late November.
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Today's the day...going to start winterizing the garden in earnest.

Every year this gives me a mixture of sadness and joy -- at saying a final goodbye to summer, but knowing that spring will bring a whole new round of happiness with my "green therapy".

And let us not forget the months ahead of planning and researching plants and garden design!

Wishing everyone a peaceful, productive day.
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