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Just a quick response to NeedHelpWithMom:

We kept food inventories.    I created a list of what Mom and Dad purchased regularly, added dates and number counts, plus amounts left.   When they removed something, they checked it off on the list, taped to the freezer.    That way we could easily see what was being used the most and in need of restocking.

That included food, cider, and of course the all important food, ice cream.

I'm wondering if anyone cans?   If you garden, like CWillie does, you can store so much more with canning, although it is a hot process with all that water boiling on the stove during the sometimes hot late summer.

We also bought food dryers.   Mom and Dad dried peppers; I dried apples.   And we both experimented with other foods, like tomatoes.   I wasn't that pleased with the end result; dried food  just didn't have the taste or quality of fresh or frozen.     But it was good for long term storage.

What I never got around to trying was drying grapes to make my own raisins.
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I can see where it would be useful. I have a hard time organizing my freezer. I need to figure out a better system than just dumping one thing on top of another, then digging for it.
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I have a small chest freezer - well I guess it is small in relation to the monster sized one my parents had. It was one of the first things I bought for my home and I can't imagine not having one, stocking up when there are sales is ingrained into my psyche.
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cwille,

Do you have an extra freezer? I don’t. I have a side by side fridge, older model with ice and water in the door. There really isn’t a lot of freezer room.

I do cook double batches a lot and freeze one for later but I don’t keep something in the freezer for more than a month or so. I never remember the shelf life on things. I need to print out a chart. I do write the date and name of the meal on the freezer bag.
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cwille,

My daddy grew them in a large container like you do. He always gave me some. The neighbor across the street wanted some too. He had plenty. I loved having them without having to buy them too.

Do mirlitons grow in your area? My dad had tons of them! They need a trellis to climb. My grandpa grew eggplant and we stuff it here with seafood too, crab and shrimp. Or simply breaded and fried. I like to roast eggplant and sometimes my husband throws it on the grill.

It’s a very popular dish here. They are stuffed with a shrimp dressing or sometimes ham. Very southern dish that is commonly served at Thanksgiving dinner.
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I don't make anything special with my peppers NHWM, I like to keep enough bags of diced peppers in the freezer to last all year because I will not pay $5/lb or more in the off season.
My gardening yields are tiny, barely enough for me let alone extra to sell 🤣
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cwille ,

Stuffed peppers! Fajitas, Stir fries. roasted red peppers! You have it all covered!

Do you sell at a farmers market? You should. I love buying from the farmers markets.

Louisiana has great strawberries. The strawberry farmers here sell everywhere! Local groceries, festivals and fairs, farmers markets and restaurants.

We have Louisiana yams that are similar to sweet potatoes. I think the vines are beautiful too.

Our rice crops are a staple here. Red beans and rice, shrimp creole, jambalaya and on and on and on. We cook tons of rice.

It’s interesting how different regions have different food. My daughter recently moved to Denver and she was telling me that there is a restaurant near her that sells New Orleans food. Normally natives from New Orleans would run from a place like that because it isn’t authentic New Orleans cuisine but she said that the chef is a transplant from New Orleans. So she’s happy about that!

She says she’s in a very walkable area and there are beautiful gardens everywhere. She will not miss our humidity. She’s getting adjusted to the higher elevation but the snow will be a huge change for her.

She seems to be settling in, most things are unpacked, only a couple of boxes left and she mentioned that she wants to get some easy houseplants for her apartment.

I haven’t had houseplants in awhile. I used to grow African violets. I love them.
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Just learning myself about the color changes in peppers:
A friend said she could not eat green peppers because they are 'less ripe' than yellow, orange, or red.
Online:
"Red peppers pack the most nutrition, because they've been on the vine longest. Green peppers are harvested earlier, before they have a chance to turn yellow, orange, and then red. Compared to green bell peppers, the red ones have almost 11 times more beta-carotene and 1.5 times more vitamin C."
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GA,

Thanks for the plethora of information. Great response!
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I have picked 5lb of ripe peppers from my 5 gallon bucket plants with just as many green ones left to (hopefully) continue to ripen - one of my plants has a big pepper that appears to be turning yellow rather than red (hm, where did that come from??)
I have been googling and discovered that contrary to what I always believed california wonders are an open pollinated variety, so I'll be saving pepper seeds too.
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CWILLIE, if you figure out your pennies can grow and make money, please share the secrets with me!  I've love to know what kind of food money plants or trees like (are they tempted by stocks?) and be able to produce funds from plants, other than the traditional harvesting and selling at farmers' gardens.

NEEDHELP and PAMZ,

A dedicated gardener friend is stocking up on seeds now, in anticipation that the homegrown garden trend which apparently took hold this year will expand next year as CV 19 continues into 2021, seeds will be bought out quickly, and prices will rise.

I think she's got a good idea, so I will with difficulty tear myself away from the laziness I've developed and start stocking up on seeds for next year, especially the hard to get seeds.

Clarifications:    As I was typing the previous message, the words began running together, a problem I've had periodically while typing.   Something happens and the spacing fails to work properly.

If I wrote the same things twice, I apologize.  I've read and reread these two posts so much I'm tired of them.
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PAMZ, those are good buys on seeds.  I've never checked the Dollar stores; I'll have to do that next year.  My first choices are usually the gardening catalogues, which initiate the "I wanna plant seeds!" mode and get me motivated.  

Botanical Interests is one of my favorite sources for motivation.  The pictures aren't just image photos; they're artistic drawings, and just beautiful.

https://www.botanicalinterests.com/


SEND, do both!   Plant seeds to create your own chocolate trees,  and grind them up to reward yourself with the pleasure of chocolate.  

I'm still working on finding a good recipe, as well as figuring out to process the mature seeds.   I think we should find a good online course on how to harvest and process cocoa beans.


NEEDHELP, I do recall differences between home grown pumpkins and canned pumpkin.  The former were a bit grainer, if I recall.  I think the hardest part though was cleaning the pumpkin - of course I had to save all the seeds.

I'm thinking of buying some of the decorative pumpkins, emptying them of the seeds to plant next year and drying the shells for decoration.   A small ornamental pumpkin for the cost would probably produce more seeds than a commercial package of seeds , but I haven't really counted the seeds of the mini pumpkins, although I did find one on the kitchen counter that I apparently dried some years ago.

It's been so long that I don't recall any issues with cooking pumpkin, or how I prepared it for pies.

Once I grew and harvested my own sweet potatoes.   I enjoyed it; they produce such a beautiful vine that I could consider growing them for that reason alone.

If you want to see some real beauties, check out the ornamentals.   I'd love to get some and start a bed; they're expensive though. 

https://gardeningsolutions.ifas.ufl.edu/plants/ornamentals/ornamental-sweet-potato.html#:~:text=The%20ornamental%20sweet%20potato%20is,quickly%20flow%20over%20the%20edges.  and

https://www.google.com/search?q=ornamental+sweet+potatoes&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=OYNVSSYR-IyzVM%252Cmrj52d-FipM3dM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kSdTRtw_MIhHtp8mZL6RgUfdIAOiw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwihlfal7frrAhXDBc0KHZKkBWAQ_h16BAgFEAU#imgrc=OYNVSSYR-IyzVM

for more varieties.

My money plant seeds are all gone but I can send you seeds next year, if I'm still around.

As to butterfly gardening, some butterflies prefer certain plants, both flowers and herbs.

When I came home a few days ago I noticed some very busy little bees on the goldenrod that grows naturally, and moves around the yard at will.  It's grown throughout the yard, in areas of its choice, over the years, and as I recall was always a good attraction for butterflies.

You can start here for butterfly gardens:

https://www.google.com/search?ei=ZfJoX4yHB8vRtQbA5Z3IBQ&q=Butterfly+gardening&oq=Butterfly+gardening&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAA6BAgAEEc6BAgAEA1Qo5cBWIGmAWCYqAFoAXABeACAAV2IAbABkgEBMpgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrIAQjAAQE&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjMzZ3l8frrAhXLaM0KHcByB1kQ4dUDCAw&uact=5#spf=1600713338670

Or read this article for a general overall plan of butterfly gardening:
https://nababutterfly.com/start-butterfly-garden/

This is a good site, identifying plants which specific butterflies like:
https://butterflywebsite.com/butterflygardening.cfm

Years ago I met some butterfly lovers who planted dill and parsley, raised caterpillars, and kept them until they morphed into butterflies for their gardens.
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I want a money tree too!
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Do all flowers attract butterflies?
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I'm still waiting for all those pennies I planted as a child to sprout into a money tree...
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Pods from the Cacao tree:
"The seeds are ground up into cacao powder, which is the basis for chocolate and many delicious things. Mature cacao pods are usually orange colored and take about five months to fully ripen on the tree. Whether or not you get cacao pods from your tree sort of depends on if you have a conservatory or not".

Chocolate tree seeds....Yes!

GA, when I get my seeds, should I plant the tree, or grind them up to make Cacao powder? Then, the candy bar recipe is......
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Is there a huge difference in flavor from fresh pumpkin over canned pumpkin for pumpkin bread?

I have only used the canned pumpkin for baking.

I always bake fresh sweet potatoes. I find they are much better than canned sweet potatoes. I’m a bit intimidated to cook fresh pumpkin. I think I have only carved a jack o lantern one time in my life.

I do love pumpkin seeds to eat! Sunflower seeds too.

I asked my husband which pie did he like better, pumpkin or sweet potato? He said they tasted the similar to him. I don’t think the flavor is the same, texture maybe, but not the flavor. I love both but here in the south we make incredible sweet potato pie. I have not personally made it but I enjoy eating it every now and then.
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Send, let me know if you find taco seeds.   Or chocolate candy bar seeds.   I haven't found any of them either!
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CWillie, I've been a seed saver for years, although I sometimes get lazy about saving seeds from something like tomatoes or cukes.  Pumpkin seeds are much easier to save.

A gardening friend anticipates a price rise in seeds next season as more people turn to gardening to avoid going to grocery stores during the pandemic.  I think she's right.   

So I'm going to get my 2021 seeds this year.    I'm also going to start saving seeds from store bought veggies I want to grow next year.  

Next year some potatoes will end up as plants. 

I'm already ahead on dahlias; I found some tubers I forgot to plant!   Now I have to figure out how to overwinter them, as usually tubers stored in the basement get moldy b/c of high humidity (subsidence problem around 1/2 of the house).

If you celebrate Halloween, think of all the seeds you can save and plant next year!
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The cheap seeds here are a buck each, the peas I got were around $2.50 (and too many of them were not good, split and broken or didn't sprout), and named hybrids might go for $4 or $5. Of course with a small garden I don't need a whole packet of some things but certain seeds don't keep well.
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Seeds are cheap here for the "usual " things, in fact my $ store had them 4 x $. Not many in each pack, but I started them in the house and they did fine for my zuchinnis and pumpkins and herbs. Hubs always s buys the tomatoes and peppers,, he likes them to be bigger from the start!
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Always wanted to plant seeds, and yes, they are too expensive,
and I have never found any taco seeds.
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Are any of you seed savers? There are some I've always harvested but seeds are getting expensive and were so hard to find this year that I'm taking the time to look for as many as possible. I was super pleased that I found some on my endive (chicory) plant, I hope they will be viable.
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I usually don't mind a little biodiversity in my lawn but the creeping charlie is so thick it looks like it is actually smothering out the grass, so I've been out there waging war trying to pull it up with a bow rake. I do know that it's impossible to get rid of it that way but at least my poor grass might have a fighting chance.
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Yes, Cwillie, I have an apple bush. Lol.
By something different, do you mean maybe a peach or lemon tree?

So, we will see. But it may take some time. 3 years? The birds used to land on the highest branch to hear the music coming from the kitchen windows. Maybe I can get a photo, when and if anything happens.

I feel so powerless over nature. My avatar is the same bouganvillia, same size, but still alive after all these years.
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Aren't all apples grafted? You might get something totally different from your original tree Send, but all apple blossoms are pretty.

Our cloudless skies are obscured by a high, white, haze compliments of all those west coast fires, even way over here in SW Ontario. Today we are enjoying warm breezes typical of this time of year, but they are carrying some "fresh country air" to remind us all to thank a farmer 😉
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Thank you GA!
This small decorative apple tree is wanted. It has always struggled because it had a damaged tap root when it came to live with us.
We had a knowledgeable Japanese gardener who would not help with it because he said it would never live. Looking forward to the new growth! And the possible flowers in a few years. I like it that it has dwarfed itself, never taller than 4 1/2 feet, but able to view from my kitchen window.

It did have some missing bark, maybe that is why it died. (but not really dead!). I will have a frame built around it now to protect it from bunnies and squirrels-or whatever else is after it. (gophers, possums, racoons?).

Sometimes not knowing brings an exciting expectation. But I also enjoy knowing how to save this small tree. If I need to neglect it a bit, I will have no guilt. My hubs waters it regularly.
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Send, the little apple tree isn't really dead if it's producing shoots, which can grow into little, then surprisingly big trees.    I've seen that with mulberries and other trees for years.

If you want apple trees, dig up the shoots, replant them, and maybe in several years you'll have some apples.   You could also try to dwarf them; that's something I've thought about for a while but never tried.

If you don't want them, there's a way to quietly kill the tree:  bark strip it.   That exposes the trunk to weather, hot and cold.   It usually takes either one summer or one winter to kill a trunk, but it's critical to make sure there are no roots sending up baby trees.

Another way is to plant morning glories either in the ground or in pots around the trunk and let them grow over it and choke it to death.  I learned by surprise that this was an easy way to kill an unwanted mulberry tree.
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Send,

Your class sounds interesting. We didn’t go very far. Only to Baton Rouge. Sunshine here! Going back home after lunch.
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I have been busy gathering up my houseplants that have been vacationing outside and getting them ready to bring in - I usually wait until October but I wanted to take advantage of some good weather to try a hint I found online, apparently immersing the whole plant in a pail of soapy water will kill off all those little bugs that always hitch a ride into my house (I can only hope). Now, where to put them all....
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