Follow
Share
Read More
Find Care & Housing
There is a bird on my back porch (It's not alive) that is motion activated. It plays a realistic song, very pretty. Reminds me of the parakeets growing up. And the wild parrots that were flying through our area near the L.A. County Arboretum in a flock, making noises. Well, this fake, motion activated parakeet goes off at other times too-when there is no motion. Maybe it is coming alive for halloween-but it is creeping me out when it does that-when no one is there, and I am home alone.
I am going to keep it though, because when talking to hubs, I could be at the sink
and he asks a question-thought we were talking-and then he is gone-just disappears-so often and so quickly. But now, when "Budgie" starts to sing, I know hubs went to the back porch. Somehow, that is less frustrating to me to know where he went in the middle of the conversation. Tweet tweet.
(2)
Report

"A hybrid vegetable is created when plant breeders intentionally cross-pollinate two different varieties of a plant, aiming to produce an offspring, or hybrid, that contains the best traits of each of the parents."
"GMO plants, on the other hand, are the result of genetic engineering. This is a process during which the plant’s DNA is altered in a way that cannot occur naturally, and sometimes includes the insertion of genes from other species."
(2)
Report

Churchmouse,
Fortunately I cannot even read the labels on seed packets, that excuse could hold up in a court of law-"I didn't read it." Which is why I have yet to find seeds for growing alfalfa sprouts-hubs had to look for me! Got to get my eyes checked.

Cwillie, It now appears that Organic farmers would disagree-nothing sinister there-but your words were comforting to me anyway. I don't know what to believe anymore.
(0)
Report

I think one was a ceanothus, and the other might have been a daphne. Monsanto hadn't occurred to me, but if it wasn't them it might have been some other corporate evil genius.

But when it comes to retailing to the average amateur gardener, they're being rather naive - ironically enough. What on earth makes them think we necessarily read the care labels???
(2)
Report

CM, I suspect you've seen a plant created by the infamous Monsanto, a dirty word to organic gardeners. It's a new version of the despised colonialism - it's an agricultural colonial power.

Naomi Klein's book Shock Doctrine addresses the method by which companies like Monsanto and other powerful companies get a foothold in what at one time were referred to as Third World Countries, with the help of the US government's aid programs after disasters.

Google "Monsanto, Iraq" and read the blurb that's the first hit. It and others address how Monsanto wormed its way into being a literal sole source supplier of seeds to Iraqi farmers. Gives new meaning to American actions in Iraq.

I would bet dollars to donuts any twig you tried to root from a Monsanto plant wouldn't be anything like the original plant. I''m sure Monsanto's scientists are devoted to ensuring that doesn't happen.

That's one of the reasons gardeners are adamant about using heirloom varieties and seeds from their own stock, not to mention the whole controversy about GMOs.
(2)
Report

Speaking of propagation, has anyone else noticed the odd label on plants saying "propagation prohibited" - presumably under some kind of intellectual property law?

I have to say that as far as I'm concerned it's a bit of a red rag to a bull, though. I mean, "catch me if you can" - how's it my fault if I cut a twig or two and they just happen to root?
(2)
Report

SendMe, savings seeds is de rigeur with organic and serious gardeners. Seed swaps are common; gardeners post their lists of available and desired seeds on gardening forums and connect with others.

Some people have over a few dozen lists of seeds to swap.

You'll also find a lot of information on saving heirloom seeds, that produce crops that are true to the originals, as opposed to the hybrids (which some gardeners shun b/c they've been manipulated to produce crops with specific characteristics).

If you don't know how to save seed from a particular vegetable or fruit, post your question on a gardening forum and you'll get a lot of answers.

There are seed savers exchanges, as well as heirloom seed companies.

Amy Goldman is a famous seed saver and grower of unusual and heirloom vegetable varieties. She's appeared on The Victory Garden several times, and is quite a delightful person.

Search for Amy Goldman Fowler and check out her website.
(1)
Report

SharynMarie,
Always post more, others come here for therapy, ya know! And if there wasn't any bloomin posts about flowers blooming, well then, that would just be sad.
People would be falling asleep in their outhouses, no, I mean their hothouse, waiting for something to bloom.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, is it a flower yet? Lol.
(2)
Report

Linda22,
Thank you for the info on seeds, a ways back. That was appreciated, and I was sure I said something, but don't see it here.
So, thanks!
(0)
Report

One more post, I promise, lol!!! My orchid is (I think) growing out a blooming stem. This is awesome as it confirms I am providing g the right conditions for a hard to grow air plant. I will keep you posted as to whether it is a blooming stem of another air root.
(2)
Report

The bare root rhizome irises I planted are from bulbs that have developed a root system and probably grew and bloomed one season...GA may have more input on this....but this is what I am currently understanding.
(0)
Report

Just a little info from the net on rhizomes and bulbs, for those interested.

Rhizomes grow horizontally and form roots from its bottom while shooting out leaves on the top. Buds form at different parts along the structure, not necessarily at the top. Examples of rhizomes are Canna Lilies and Calla Lilies. Calla Lily Rhizome

Bulb

A bulb is comprised of a plant's stem and leaves. The bottom of the bulb is a compacted stem and roots grow from this part of the bulb. Layers of nutrient-filled leaves sit at the bottom of the bulb and surround a bud that eventually becomes the flower. Examples of bulbs are Tulips, Lilies and Daffodils.
(0)
Report

Send, You could do tomatoes that way. I have germinated tomato seeds by placing them in moist paper towels, checking on them and adding moisture when necessary. I don't think seeds from marigolds and coneflowers would do well.

When I worked with tomatoes, we saved seeds for research from the hybrid tomatoes we made. The seeds where cleaned , dried and sent to Australia (their growing season is opposite of ours). They would germinate the seeds, grow them out to maturity for testing on different disease resistance. It would take up to 8 years before the seeds from this years crop was available to growers.
(2)
Report

Seems straight to me Send! zzzzzzz.............Oh, so sorry, nodded off again.
(1)
Report

Gershun, a Whenever I see a line of zzzz's, it just doesnt look straight to me.
Do you think my row of peas are planted straight?
PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPz?
(0)
Report

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..............oops, sorry I nodded off.
(1)
Report

Not a dumb question send. I think they died but will know in the spring if I have any of them return. I did not dig them up.
(1)
Report

SharynMarie, Hoping this is not a really dumb question, but bulbs are good replanted from year to year? The ones that were planted too close together-would they still be good planted the next year, or are they dead?
(1)
Report

Cwillie, Your explanation about the seeds helped me-because one cannot believe everything on the internet. So, for you to say 'nothing sinister there' has calmed my gardening worries for today. I have a glass jar with holes in the plastic lids, was a gift from my sister to grow alfalfa sprouts indoors. I could never find the seeds for that. Can anyone recommend a seed to put in there? Apparently, the seeds get put in a little water, then the water is replaced as they grow.
(0)
Report

Yup, with some plants it is just better to buy hybrids but they won't work for seed saving, nothing sinister there, just good old fashioned plant breeding for desirable traits. The seed companies that supply farms mostly stock plants with the characteristics that farmers need - uniformity, storability and the ability to hold quality when transported long distances - often at the cost of flavour IMO.
(1)
Report

Send, these irises I ordered back in January. One is from Breckenridge, the other 6 are from an iris farm here in Cali. They are bare root rhizomes.

The bulbs I planted last year did not work out. I planted them too close together. I am excited with the new irises as they are doing well and I should have some nice blooms next spring.

Seeding can be fun. I use to save seeds but just don't have time to follow through on it now. Happy seed saving and autumn gardening everyone.
(3)
Report

Send, it's trial and error with seed saving. Some of the hybrids don't grow true to the hybrid. I try to get seeds that are open pollinated. If something grew as a volunteer in my garden, then the seeds get saved. As the seed companies get bought out, more and more are owned by the big companies like Bayer and Monsanto. I've stopped buying from places like Burpees and gone to small indie growers. The exception is tomatoes. I buy the plants from a local nursery that grows their own stock. I get the hybrids that are more disease resistant because they work better in my garden. I save the dry seeds in 4 oz. canning jars in the fridge. I have a friend who plants seeds from grocery store produce and has some good success.
(2)
Report

Thanks Linda, seed saving is a good idea.
However, way beyond my pay grade and time-wise right now. Tried to save some pumpkin seeds a year ago. I understand that somehow, certain seeds are engineered to not grow due to monopoly interests of seed companies, but not sure. Maybe not grow a second time? I don't know. But if one buys an engineered tomato, saving the seeds is useless.
Guess if something is growing in your garden, saving those seeds might work.
(0)
Report

Send, Cadillac Desert is an excellent book about water in the West. Life stuff had me totally neglecting the garden for about 6 weeks. So it's weedy and fading fast. The basil is still perky, which surprises me. I'm going to glean what produce is left and start yanking plant matter soon. And time for some good seed saving.
(1)
Report

GardenArtist, Will be looking up the movie Chinatown concerning competing water interests in the West. At least I may be able to see the trailer and mark it for my husband to search.
It was my father who taught us to grow avocado seeds, but you know, in all those years I never once saw a tree! Hmmmmn.
Do you wear the ghillie suit for Oct. 31st?

SharynMarie, Congrats on your success with your Iris! Are the bulbs the same ones you bought so many earlier? Planting them in waves of iris now?

Cwillie, Thanks for the reminders about annuals and perennials, as I was wondering which dead things outside I should cut back, then maybe it would grow again. Today is gardening day, but I don't have the heart to ask hubs to work hard on his day off, so I am not going to mention anything about the garden to him.
The yard still looks okay as I was outside in the sun looking around for awhile-until my rose bush bit me and I came inside.

BTW, The bouganvillias spent the summer safely protected under the carport this year, just at the edge with a little sun. As a result, the leaves are a gentler green, looking fresh and new, still with a very few flowers. Maybe I should get it some sun to strengthen it for winter. That requires the two of us to consult and move the planter. O the time, the pain....

Happy Fall gardening everyone!
(0)
Report

We did get rain today, it was a very fine rain (the drops were very small) which is a good soaking rain with no overflowing.
(1)
Report

Yes, I agree with you....I am also afraid to water because we have a crazy neighbor across the street.....she has big problems with getting along with her neighbors and she made a big scene with one neighbor who was out washing their car. We can wash our cars as long as we use a spray nozzle and are not letting water run all over the driveway into the gutter. She has a mental issue possible Rx addictions and or alcohol. She will turn music up at 2am and be out dancing in her front yard, LOL!!! At least when I was drinking, I kept to myself....Water restrictions are a big joke. New Melones Dam is so incredibly large, there is no way to fill it to capacity in several normal years, yet here in central Cali, they base the drought on how full that dam gets. Yes, I understand getting nervous about watering.....SoCal has always had "water" issues but were at one time getting water from the Colorado River, that has been reduced. Here where I live, we have so much agriculture that I wonder how much waste is given to them, yet I see much acreage that is fallow because the government won't allow them to have water.

California has too too much politics at play and YES, I am against the tunnels because I am a nature freak who wants the beauty of nature and wildlife preserved.

My daughter in Idaho can water twice a day if they want and they live in the upper desert in the Southeastern part of Idaho. She keeps her house cold as that is how she and her hubs like it (too cold for me at night), their bill does not reach $100 a month.

The water restrictions is all a political grab game for money and votes.
(1)
Report

Sharyn, The water retrictions are killing us here, with the turn you in attitudes. I get nervous just watering when it is ALLOWED!
My point was, prioritize to save the historical gardens in lieu of lush new plantings along the roadsides elsewhere. The Huntington Gardens can even teach us how-they have cactus gardens, and xeriscaping rock gardens.

Makes me doubt the reports of water shortages-the wealthy greens vs. the residents and farmers should allow their's to die? Grow food!
(1)
Report

Send, I misread your post about historical gardens. I get caught up in this water restrictions we have here.

We are expected to get rain tomorrow....most likely on and off showers, however, they are expecting snow at the 7-8,000 ft level so that is a good start for mid October.

I love coleus plants, their color is so vibrant. I can grow them outside here in the shade, they are much more vibrant outside in the shade than as a house plant.
(0)
Report

cwillie I don't do anything with my annuals till the first frost kills them but we haven't had that yet so mine are still in full bloom if a little jaded.
(2)
Report

Start a Discussion
Subscribe to
Our Newsletter