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Here's an article regarding side effects of Moderna and Pfizer vaccines. Less than 10% of people vaccinated get side effects and they don't last long according to the article.
https://www.10news.com/news/coronavirus/what-are-the-side-effects-of-the-moderna-and-pfizer-covid-vaccines
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If there is one person who dies of Covid, that is one too many. imo.

If you get Covid, and recover, but much later come down with "LONG HAUL COVID-19, even though that is rare;

Even if you know of one person in a wheelchair at age 47;
and have seen reports of a 27 y.o. woman in a wheelchair (these people became paralyzed) from Long haul Covid-19; Even then, that is two
too many, imo.

Scientists are studying why these patients became paralyzed, and 'think' it could be from serious lung damage from having Covid. See studies at Davis.

It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that science does not know much about the Sars-Covid-19 disease yet.

GA, I do believe science is a good place to start.

Reports of how it is spread are evolving. I believe it is in the air, and 27 ft. is irrelevant. imo.

Stay home please. imo.

I don't have the answers either, sorry.
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If you’re scared, stay home.

Do your research and stop listening to the main stream media. Funny how as soon as the election is over, we are back to freaking out over COVID.

All you old farts should stay home but stop expecting everyone else to stop living their lives. All you seem to care about is COVID. What about all the unturned consequences? The virus has a 99.9% survival rate. The death count is seriously inflated and includes people who died WITH and WITHOUT COVID. Don’t you people pay attention to anything else going on in this country? Domestic violence is up across the country. Burglaries are up. Suicides abs drug overdose deaths are soaring. Children are not getting an education. (If you think distance learning is an education, I’ve got news for you!). Thousands of children aren’t even attending distance learning. Homelessness is increasing. And if your precious masks and stay at home orders worked, then why are states shutting down again?

Sorry not sorry but I will continue to live a normal life. I’m not going to stay home because the old people are scared.
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I heard the governor of California recently attended a big birthday party INDOOR and NO MASKS. When people found out, he claimed it was outdoor. Then when people showed the video of the party INDOOR, then the idiot came out to apologize. Then the same hypocritical governor issued a curfew order forbidding people to go out from 10 pm till morning, and not to gather for TG. What an a$$h__l.

While all hair salons were shut down, Nancy Pelosi had her hairdresser to do her hair INDOOR with NO MASK.

Yes, do as they say not as they do.
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Polar,

I bet that goes on more than we hear about.

People don’t always follow rules.
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Cali,

I think it’s a mix of both realities. We have to take precautions in order to reduce our risk.

I don’t think anyone could argue that problems haven’t arisen from the situations that has occurred from COVID-19.

Everything has been effected in one way or another. There are many serious concerns.

Everyone would like to see this come to an end. It truly does read like a science fiction book. I love sci-fi books and movies but not in our non fiction world!

Let’s hope for a better year in 2021!

I feel for every parent with school age children during this mess.

I feel really badly for my nephews, one is recently retired from the army, he went to the Middle East five times! He’s had trouble with adjusting to civilian life again, he and his wife are homeschooling, etc.

My other nephew, my godson, just went back to work. He was out of work due to COVID-19. He hasn’t been able to see his daughter. His ex wife lives in another state and is a doctor, so she’s super busy.

My great niece usually spends Thanksgiving and Christmas with my nephew but not this year because she is not comfortable flying during COVID.

My great niece is torn. She wants to see her dad. She is being home schooled as well.
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Worried, I don't think calling people old farts is very constructive and just because we happen to be discussing covid does not mean we are not also concerned with homelessness, children not getting a proper education, etc., etc.

Young people are also dying of covid by the way. Not just us "old farts"

I don't understand your hostility. If you don't like the discussion don't participate in it.
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WIC
It is attitude like yours that is causing COVID to explode. My next door neighbor was diagnosed on Wednesday. Now his wife and they are extremely sick. They have two children, 4 and 8. Seventy-five teachers in this very small school district tested positive this past week, as well.

You are teaching your children self-centeredness and selfishness. All that matters is what YOU want to do. To hell with everyone else. I have three children between the ages of 35 and 42. Two of them take this seriously, the third, not so much. Yet their area is exploding with cases, too.

My neighbors are very, very sick. They, too, thought, "oh well" if I get it, I get it, and I probably won't. Well, it got them. Both are healthy, mid to late 30's and now wish they had done things differently, including teaching their children compassion and patience and understanding.

I am sure that you will chastise me for my comments as you do so many others. You always have to be right and seem to know it all. So have at it, I am expecting it.

I hope you and yours remain healthy and that you soon realize the danger that others are exposed to by attitudes like yours.
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Well said glad. Multigenerational selfishness is part of the problem. Imagine how lovely it will be in 20 years...smh
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AND WIC, maybe you should not be hanging out with us old farts!

I understand the issues with the children, the group that I am most sorry about. No doubt, their socialization and education is suffering, that is where parents can really help them to understand that sometimes things happen in life that you do not like, but you help to learn them deal with it and learn something from it.

No doubt that some elected officials are not following their own warnings and requests, it is the way of the world and sometimes it is not very nice.
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I came across something in the internet of the Benrath Senior Center in Dusseldorf, Germany, and how they deal with their wandering patients with dementia. They installed a fake bus stop in front of the nursing home which is clearly visible from the main office. When the patients got out of the building, they would go sit at the fake bus stop waiting for the (non-existent) bus. Whenever the staff saw someone there, they would lead them back into the Center.
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Book,

That’s actually very clever! What if they aren’t fans of a bus and they are walkers instead?

Occasionally I have heard of someone leaving a very expensive facility in my area.

One person walked all the way to a main highway before they were caught.

Sadly, this has happened with kids escaping daycare programs too.

In Louisiana there was a case where a person driving a truck stopped when he saw a toddler walking across a highway.

There was a large portion of a fence missing in the play yard.

The teachers placed playground equipment in front of to block the hole but kids are small.

The child got through it and made it to the highway before the truck driver found him.

The truck driver took him back to the school.

The school did not even tell the parents that their son escaped.

The parents saw it on the news because the truck driver alerted the media.

The daycare was shut down.
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Book, that's almost sad in a way. Like they are tricking already confused people. But I guess it's better than them wandering off somewhere
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Gershun,

It is sad. I suppose they were desperately looking for a solution.
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My husband received his back support in the mail today. That is a good thing.

He has it on. So cooperative, wanting to stand up straight and decrease arthritis pain.

Within an hour, he now has his scanner perched through one shoulder strap.
The antenna is sticking out, readily visible. The other black shoulder strap has a black high tech flashlight, I had to ask what is that? Not readily identifiable.

He appears to be ready for combat.

I asked him not to go outside dressed like that. Oh dear, today is going to be more challenging than expected. If he goes outside, he may scare the neighbors.

I'm on it!
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Send,

Sounds like an interesting looking device!
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It is on my mind that I cannot relax today.
The sheriff might think so NHWM. Very interesting.
Well, we had an errand to run today.
Not going anywhere with him because all those black-ops things could be mistaken for a gun. I can see it all now, "Sir, sir, STOP!" says the cop.
He responds by pushing through, not listening...I am in the background,
saying: "He is special needs!"! They don't hear me, but one paramedic does, and shouts out, "Stand down, He is special needs!". 4 paramedics and one sheriff back off and say "Let him go!" These days, they might do something different.

Anyway, maybe tomorrow. I don't think hubs is done adding to his unique wardrobe today.

(P,S. Don't make fun, this happened once when 911 was called for a neighbor and we were standing by with water for the dehydrated pets in her house).
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I am being sucked into the annual Christmas drama, covid edition. Once again we are doing the dance trying to accommodate everyone's needs and expectations, IMO when you are invited to a family get together you say yes or no, you don't get to lay down conditions about the date, the time or the menu. And what does any of that have to do with covid19 anyway?
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And OMG I can't take much more of this christmas music coming from the house across the street, what the h3ll is wrong with people that they think nothing of blaring music from dark til 10:30 or 11:00 every. friggin' .night. I just want to be able to cozy up in bed to read without continuous background noise. Grrrrr. 🤬😡🤮
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HUMBUG
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Send,

True, nowadays we just don’t know what is going to happen.
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cwille,

My neighbors are like that. They have the loudest parties! They have the noisiest fireworks for New Years Eve and July 4th, and it can work on our nerves too.

Well, my dog hated the fireworks!
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On a more positive note the world's loneliest elephant is not lonely anymore thx in part to the singer Cher. He's at a wildlife reserve in Cambodia now greeted with monks bearing bananas and chanting. Yay!
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Gershun,

Great news!
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I’m not dreaming of a white Christmas, because it’s just over 40 degrees centigrade here. Get industrial strength earplugs! My daughter worked pre-Christmas at the local shopping center in her student vacation, and they glued their Christmas record to the turntable or the equivalent. She still flinches when she hears Bing Crosby sing “Mele Kalikimaka” for Hawaiians. Who wouldn’t?
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LOL Margaret. I've actually been wearing my safety ear muffs, but because I wear glasses they start to hurt after a while.
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Those of you who are placing Christmas lights/decorations in your yards, would you please avoid anything that has Red or Blue flashing lights together? Every time I come around the corner, I think it's the police and I have a panic attack. I have to brake hard, toss my beer out the window, fasten my seat belt, throw my phone on the floor, turn my radio down, and push the gun under the seat. All while trying to drive.
It's just too much drama, even for Christmas. Thank you for your cooperation and understanding.








[joke, it is a joke] Borrowed from fb.
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Happy Hanukkah 🕎 (that starts today, right?)
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Happy Hanukkah! Dec. 10, for eight days.....
Celebratory dance mash-up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqEQy6l1kzc
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Our family gathering is going ahead tomorrow come hell or high water (or covid19). I've downloaded the advice for safer gatherings but I'm not sure whether everyone will go along with it, and it's really all moot because the venue is in a red zone (Ontario) and we aren't supposed to be gathering at all... I KNOW we shouldn't be doing this.
BTW nobody in my family is a covid denier, they all just seem to have a flexible attitude about personal risk.
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