Follow
Share
Read More
La de Da de da! Well, not much happening here I see..................(tapping of fingers)

Yep, .....................yep, yep. La de Da!

Okay, on to next thread.
(0)
Report

Me, too, MsMadge. Also, when it's tilted down, I find it harder to breathe.
(1)
Report

I tend to choke if I tilt my head down while drinking
(1)
Report

Veronica, I hope you're doing better and better. I always appreciate your input about medical matters. I was thinking g-tube meant the peg that they put directly into the abdomen, I didn't know it described the nose tube. Are they both g-tubes??? I'll have to look it up. Edit: after re-reading your post, seems like the nasal type is a temporary g-tube, the abdomen peg is considered more permanent.

I think I remember that my dad couldn't tolerate the nasal g-tube. That was likely why the decision was made to do an abdomen peg in his case.

...

There's a recent article on npr.org with the title "Infectious Theory Of Alzheimer's Disease Draws Fresh Interest." It might be of interest to some of you, thought I'd share.
(3)
Report

Vveronica, glad to see you posting, and I hope you are feeling well! If I may ask, as I am just curious, can yone eat Anything by mouth when you have a J-tube, is it an individual decision, or is it the same for everyone?

I remember my Dad having a G-tube (nasal) while in hospital for Aspiration Pneumonia, but it was removed one he was released, but with his disease of PSP (Premature Supranucular Palsy), he had to be on a very strict diet of soft foods and thickened fluids for the rest of his life, and as you can imagine, my very British Father attempting to drink his Life Sustaining Cup Of Tea THICKENED, Ugg, he'd rather drink sour milk! That was the one thing he wouldn't allow us to serve him, he demanded his tea the way he wanted it, so everyone had to be very diligent about sitting near him and monitoring the way he needed to drink small sips, and tilt his head down when swallowing. Unfortunately it was the Aspiration Pneumonia that took him in the end, God Love Him!
(2)
Report

Thanks Veronica
(0)
Report

MsMadge a g tube (naso gastric) inserted through the nose into the stomach is usually a temporary solution to a problem with eating, swallowing or aspiration. They are frequently used after surgery or severe illness when the whole gut has shut down and contents are pooling in the stomach. They can also be used for longer term feeding but are not very comfortable so a tube is usually then placed through an incision in the abdominal wall either into the stomach or directly into the jejunum.
Permanent tubes can provide total nutrition but are more difficult to use and maintain and must be changed at the hospital every three months. Proper care is essentail because they have a tendency to clog easily. Long term feeding can be done at home with competent caregiver.
I have a J tube and can totally manage it myself. You fill a bag with formula by prescription, hang it on an IV pole or similar thread the tubing through a pump, prime the tubing so you done push air in attack to the end of the tube and turn on the pump and it does it's thing over night while you sleep. The important thing to remember is to keep the tube flushed with water before or after feeding because the formula sets up like strands of spaghetti.
This may sound complicated reading it here but multiple lay people have been able to assist me when I was too ill myself. Many nurses are not trained to do this so I have done some supervising when an inpatient.
It is the patient's choice when to do the feedings and it can be done during the day in what is called bolus feeding where you simply pour a measured amount of formula into the tube several times day. For me overnight is the most convenient.
Even with a feeding tube in place aspiration can occur which means the patient needs to sleep at a 30degree incline. No problem for me as I sleep in a recliner.

As far as your friend's DH is concerned I think she made the right decision at the time depending on what his other comorbidities are and his general quality of life. She can always ask them to remove it. It is OK to change your mind this was not a decision that can't be undone.
(7)
Report

I think CM's got it right, and I almost added that part but figured I'd just say "yep, g-tubes come out for good sometimes."

If the cause is a temporary condition, not a progressive decline, I think there's a very good chance that when the person recovers, the g-tube can come out.

I know my dad came home from hospital and rehab stay with his still in place, so that was about 6 weeks of having it. By time he came out of rehab, I don't recall that he was using it anymore. I used to flush it to keep it clean but I don't remember giving him feedings that way. He slowly gained weight and was able to eat soft foods just fine... so then they took the g-tube out and that was in 2014. It's never been needed since.
(3)
Report

😌💦.
(2)
Report

Oh dear, I should have clarified it is not the Viking, but a friend's DH

He had walking pneumonia then vomited and aspirated - was in ICU two weeks with a nasal tube - moved out of ICU but failed the swallowing test and she had to make the decision for feeding tube - he's otherwise showing improvement and getting PT
(4)
Report

Only a guess and not very helpful, MsMadge, but it must depend on what led to the aspiration mustn't it? Temporary cause - someone giving her the wrong food, her being generally under the weather, e.g. - temporary solution. Do you have a real choice about whether to okay it, or anything like that?
(3)
Report

((((madge)))))
(1)
Report

Oh MsMadge ... ((hugs))
(2)
Report

Madge, my dad's g-tube came out once the danger of aspiration had passed. He's never needed it again.
(7)
Report

Does anyone know if a gtube is permanent or if there’s any hope of removal following aspiration pneumonia?
(3)
Report

On the great Roadtrip with Rosie, things are stinky. Made it to 1 month in Memory Care, then got sent to the Geriatric Psych Hospital Unit. They just called for a conference again. After 1 1/2 weeks, even THEY can't get my Mama to stop trying to escape and keep wanting to go home to her Mama's house. Sigh. Rant Over. Have a good day everyone!
(11)
Report

I think you make a difference, Cwillie and
mom feels better when you're there

granted some can survive without much attention and there are plenty of lonely souls at hoca

I did a late night bed check on the Viking tonight - I gave her some water, we said our prayers and she fell asleep in a cheerful mood dreaming of pancakes for breakfast -
I would have preferred to stay home tonight but I'm glad I went instead
(8)
Report

Book, most families are not as involved as I am. I sometimes think that if I wasn't there so much and hadn't been reading on AgingCare and the web about elder care for all these years I could live in blissful ignorance just like all those other families - in the end I'm not sure it makes one iota of difference.
(3)
Report

Cwillie, I have no experience when it comes to NH.  But I tell you, from just reading posts like yours and others here on AC, it's not a 'dump' them and NH will take care of them.  I don't think I would make a good advocate for someone who's in it.  I don't do well when it comes to confrontations or bringing up a problem/situation.
(2)
Report

MsMadge, you are a 'lucky' person who seems to receive some 'surprise' small cash/check. Do you tend to be an addict? If not, maybe you should give a spin on one of those jackpot machines. =)
(1)
Report

Out of the blue, I received a check for $40 in the mail from a consignment shop that I haven't visited in years - don't even remember what I took in to sell, but nice to know they didn't forget
(7)
Report

Oh CW.

At this point you may remember that line from Desperate Housewives "if life has taught me anything, it's that blind faith is not my friend."

And how depressing that I've already forgotten the speaker. Teri Hatcher. Thank God! - I was about to book myself in...

And this bit "they couldn't really tell if this was causing the sore through friction or was because of her discomfort"

H'm. Well, let's have a little think about it, shall we? Why would a little old lady all of a sudden take to wriggling forward in her chair, given a) that she hasn't before and b) for her, it takes considerable effort that she'd rather spend on snoozling. Would our money be on discomfort forcing her to move, ya think..? And might that be because nobody's checked on her positioning or that her incredibly expensive bit of kit is being maintained properly..?

I don't know how you haven't hit anyone.

I was only coming on to complain about all dresses being vile and ugly and surely to God some highly paid designer can manage to sew up an entire seam without feeling the need to leave unexpected bits of you hanging out - what's with all the midriff and shoulder gaps? Don't they get cold? Have they no fear of draughts?

Though I did see one I liked a LOT until...

"Oh. No. That's Katherine Hepburn, isn't it?"

'Deed it was. Sadly, I in no way resemble the marvellously stylish Ms Hepburn plus I doubt if the fabulous dress is still on sale. Maybe it should be.
(5)
Report

The roho has air filled pockets - it is supposed to be user friendly but I'm not certain how to inflate it properly or whether it has deflated since we bought it - I figure that is what the "experts" at the NH are getting paid for, right? And if they can't handle it they should have the supplier on speed dial. (and at dang near $700 it had better be more durable than less than one year)
(2)
Report

Cwillie

It still raises my BP to think back how angry I got when I couldn't get anyone's attention when mom developed a fungal rash during her nh stay with sepsis last year - grr

does the roho have to be inflated ?

I can't imagine anyone checking a cushion at hoca and now that you mention it, I should try to figure out the expected life of mom's which is not air filled but contains mineral oil - I always ask staff not to put her footrests on her chair so as not to puncture it so instead they get thrown on the floor - one is now broken and more than once I've found the padded leg rest twisted backwards with her leg against the metal rod 😡

I hope they are able to treat the sore quickly, and that your mom is getting a protein shake to help the sore heal
(3)
Report

I'm reaching the point where the cr*p at the NH doesn't even raise my bp anymore (at least not by much). Yesterday morning I found mom in bed instead of in her chair in the lounge. I asked the RPN (LPN) why and she had no idea. At lunch time I asked a PSW if she had slept through breakfast and they decided to let her rest in bed? She didn't know but thought maybe they were treating a wound on her backside. Hm. I decided that I would wait to see what happened today and surprise! mom is once again in bed. This time I went to the charge nurse - oh yes, there is a very small wound on her tailbone and they are dressing it. No, they wouldn't normally tell me because it is so small. No, nobody had noticed that she has been pushing her butt to the front of the chair and no, they couldn't really tell if this was causing the sore through friction or was because of her discomfort. And No, nobody had thought to check her RoHo cushion.
And if I was not there in the morning checking I STILL wouldn't know anything about it and they STILL wouldn't be checking her chair. Trust us. Yeah.😠
(6)
Report

Mom's last home care worker was in her 70's and I worried about her ability to transfer mom without hurting herself. When mom became totally unable to stand they allowed me more help and sent another senior citizen, this one so decrepit looking I called and asked them what they were thinking! I joked with everyone that my mom's PSW's were old enough to need home care themselves, the irony is that the first woman's health has failed and she needed to retire and the second has since passed away.
(4)
Report

I stopped in this evening to help put mom to bed

typical evening chaos in the tv room - short staffed again

occassionally, hoca will use an outside agency to cover when they are short- tonight I noticed an older woman sitting in the corner so I assumed she was a new resident - no, she was from the agency
(5)
Report

Cwillie
your post made me cry

who can explain any of this
(3)
Report

After supper tonight mom said "take me back to the lounge", that's six words strung together in a sentence. The other day she said "I'm glad you're here", and when I asked why she said "because I'm alone". This from a woman who normally won't speak more than one word at a time and mostly just nods yes or no. I don't know whether to be happy or not about this - where has she been hiding all this time, and why is she talking again now?
(11)
Report

Ah, but did she have fun Lostinthemix?
(1)
Report

Start a Discussion
Subscribe to
Our Newsletter