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My anger (not whine) for today ..... Another Groundhog Day ..... # 15 or 16 .... losing count .......

Me: PLEASE don't come up behind me and hang on the back of my chair.

Mom: (the victim, sounding hurt yet again) Why do you always get upset with me?! You need to be nice to me.

Me: Then stop coming up behind me like I have asked before.

Mom: I don't understand why you always get upset with me.

Me: BECAUSE I have asked you more than 10-15 times before to stop coming up behind me and leaning on the back of my chair.

Mom: (no answer, no apology) AGAIN .... ignores what I ask .....
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Um. Myownlife, if you have literally lost count - ! - of how many times this has happened...

Is it perhaps time to change something else in the scene, rather than hoping that your mother will finally get the message and stop annoying the bejeepers out of you?

My mother was forever picking imaginary loose threads off my sleeve. This was of course completely harmless. It was even quite sweet, really, I suppose, her way of showing loving care towards her child. All the same I still shudder about it now. If she'd crept up on me in the way that yours does to you, oh crikey, I can't imagine.

But my mother had vascular dementia, I didn't expect her to stop. Still wished she wouldn't do it, only didn't expect any different.

You couldn't, perhaps, move the furniture around so that at least you always spot her coming?
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Hey CM :) I knew someone would say to change the furniture around and I know that sounds like the logical thing to do, but with my living room layout, it isn't possible, at least not at this time. And IF my mom had dementia, I'd never try to reason with her and understand the course I would need to take. But as she is narcissistic without dementia, it royally tiks me off, that she hears and totally understands what I say, but it's always all about what she wants and thinks and has NO empathy - truly unable to have empathy, and anything I want or that matters to me is of utterly no importance. And THAT is always what makes me mad. And yet that is what I have to (most times) let go, and redirect myself onto something else... basically ignoring Mom. And much of the time I get up and leave the same room and go back into my room to do whatever with no confrontation, just leave the room. But it helps to complain sometimes :)
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Yes it does help to complain sometimes, myownlife.
I sympathize, I had a narcissistic mother too. At just about 96 and stage 6 Alz., she's lost her narcissism, the only good thing about the disease.

Since this is the whine thread, I guess I'll go for it. Hubs has certainly has been a grump for the last few days. I'm guessing it's nervousness about an upcoming trip out of town that has his shorts in a knot.
I can't WAIT to have a little peace and quiet for 5 days! He's going around the house "preparing" stuff so that nothing will go wrong when he's gone. Dear Heavens, it's only 5 days not 5 months.

Bon voyage honey. Sigh 🙁
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Oh dear! - I was afraid of that, MOL 😳

There's even a line for it from Fawlty Towers: "and our next contestant on Mastermind is Sybil Fawlty, specialist subject 'The Bleedin' Obvious'... "

Mind you. Whether your DM (dearest mama) is being a PITA because she has dementia and doesn't get it, or because she has no empathy and doesn't get it, the net net is still that she's not going to stop. And it's driving you nuts.

I suppose hiding a tiny piece of electric fence wiring (with a very low current, of course) on the back of the chair is out of the question? You could claim it must be static build-up and say "oh no, what happened?" Or one of those joke-shop buzzers.

Just indulging in fantasy. I know you wouldn't really!
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MOL,

Sounds like mom is in one of the fun stages of dementia and just when you think it can't get any worse or last any longer - it does

they tend to get clingy possibly afraid and of course have no sense of time or another's needs

mom who is hard of hearing would be in another room either watching tv or doing a crossword and would shout out my name - of course, not being able to hear my, "what?"
So down the hall I'd go to ask what she needed, to which the reply was usually- just wanted to know where you were -
pause, rewind, repeat

at some point, this all changes, but while in the midst, it is never ending but finding humor in it is a great stress reliever - I came closer to the brink of collapse than I care to remember but in many ways, where mom is now, is ever so much more difficult and painful to watch

dementia is a long tiring journey for everyone
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Sue,
enjoy your 5- day escape
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Not really a "whine" moment. More like a sad moment. I really miss my mom sometimes.
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You know what I miss? Not having anyone left to turn to for guidance or support or just to sympathize with my angst of the day. I miss my grandparents, my parents, my big brother, all the people who were older and wiser than I was (yeah, my sister is older but you'd never know it). Now I'm "it", I'm the "wise one" but inside I'm just that shy little girl hoping someone else will step in and tell me what to do :(
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Dear CWillie,
There must be someone wiser than you, who is older than you. Maybe not a relative.
However, (trying not to forget the long list of very wise ones on this forum),
I do not know of anyone wiser than you.

My condolences to the very shy, little girl who has lost her mother. We all of us have a little child inside who often is hurting. Here are some hugs and love from your friends.
{{Hug }} {{ Hugs}}. More «««hugs»»».
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Cwillie and Rhetorica --- sending you each BIG, BIG HUGS also !!!!!

Sue C --- any chance you can secretly extend the trip to a week?!! :)

CM --- OMG !!! I love it!!! Gotta check into the buzzer thingy !!! ROFLMAO !!!
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Omg
this has been the week from hell
I’m used to working long hours but I just put in two all nighters at the office
40 hours in two days

I missed Halloween and pumpkin decorating with the Viking but at least her caregiver helped her and brought her a bucket of candy
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One of the hardest things of losing my Mom was losing the advice and talks we had. I could always talk things out and could see them from a better perspective. Though it is not the same, I keep a journal and try to hash out things by myself now. I noticed some people I have known most of my life don't like to share good advice...they like to keep things that make life go well for them a secret. I think the World would be a better place if people worked as a team, not as individuals trying to get ahead for only themselves. Doesn't it say somewhere that we are our brother's keeper?
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Um. It *implies* that we are our brother's keeper. But I think what you have in mind is Cain's talking back to his father in the world's original instance of sibling rivalry.

I like the Chinese image of heaven and hell being a banquet where everybody has four foot long chopsticks, myself.

I remember my mother writing to me after some disaster or other at school and saying "never mind, darling - be a Phoenix!" Well, that's the spirit, sure enough. Still trying after all these years...
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All those missing their Mom's. (((((HUGS)))) I know the feeling. I miss my Mom so much it hurts. My Dad died very young and I never could understand why Mom never talked about him or had pictures of him around. But I totally understand now. It just hurts too much. I have a picture of Mom beside my bed and sometimes at night I deliberately block it with something cause my heart just aches looking at it.

Willie, I totally relate to what you said about not having that smarter, wiser person in your life. My Mom was never big on giving advice but she was a wonderful listener. She didn't interrupt or try to fix things. She just listened. I think listening has become a lost art especially in these times of social media. I think all these devices and gadgets are giving everyone ADHD. I truly do. My Hubs talks so fast sometimes I wish I had a rewind button or a slow it down device. ( a mute button would work too sometimes)

I think we have to be our own champions. Give yourself the love that you are lacking or the comfort you are missing. Positive reinforcement from yourself can be quite powerful. I'm really trying lately to replace that mean self-talk I give myself with the affirming statements I would always get from Mom. I even hear her voice in my head when I say them to myself sometimes.
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I too want to give a Big HUG to all you missing your Moms. I miss my Dad, so very much, I loved Him dearly and miss his smile, and his jokes, and just Him. I do understand that the loss of my Mom will be different than Dad. So I just wanted to send you all some love.
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Me too, Smeshque, and thank you for the group hug :)

Friday was the 19th anniversary of my Dad's death. He wasn't Jewish, so although I have lit yahrzeit candles for him in earlier years it never felt quite right - not that he was the sort to reject kindly wishes whatever form or language they came in.

This year I thought I would slip quietly into the evensong service and have a little pray, instead. Truth is he wasn't much of a churchgoer either ("God-bothering" was his term for religion of all types), but the service is short and to the point, and the 2nd November is All Souls' Day, and it made sense to me.

I did truly feel he was with me, and most truly because of the way it all went wrong and I could see the suppressed laughter and gaze to the ceiling that would have been on his face.

Evensong is normally half an hour long and workaday when the choir isn't in residence (the schoolchildren were away on their half-term holiday last week). I got through the door and froze: the place was filling up fast, and a programme for Fauré's Requiem Mass was pressed into my hand and I was bundled into to a free pew. No way out, and anyway I like Fauré when it's well done. In for a penny...

An hour and a half later I was frozen solid, starving hungry, practically gassed from the incense, my ears were cringing from the "guest choir" and I was worried I might have left the stove on. The lady deacon, who I'm sure has a pleasant speaking voice in conversation but was unintelligible in an echoing cathedral, read out the long, long list of names for commemoration in batches, like the phone directory; and after communion it became clear that somebody must've accidentally dropped a batch on their way in because they had to do a quick reprise from F-H. I don't take communion, and although the verger didn't actually demand to know why not he did stand at my pew looking nonplussed for quite long enough to make me want to tell him to mind his own business. I didn't say "shoo!" but I thought it.

I did not sit long afterwards, looking holy and pensive like everybody else - the second the clergy and choir had cleared the building I scudded out of there like a rabbit, pausing only to light a candle in the chapel and hearing a very familiar voice chuckling "that'll teach you..."

On Remembrance Sunday I will go to the main service where you know exactly what you're going to get.
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Our pastor dropped in last week to extend a personal invitation to attend church this Sunday (today) for All Saints services. Uhm, no. Definitely not.
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Big, Big Hug to you!  My whine for today is... My 80 year old parents moved in with me in Florida.  I invited them after my mother blew threw all my Dads savings.

After months of my mother ( who is all there, no dementia) constantly verbally abused my father and me... and constantly told us she hated us and wanted to go live with my sister in PA , I finally said please go!  she packed her things, called her grandchildren, who drove 3 days to get her . she now wants to come back , says she will sue me and take all I have if she cannot. ugh!  This is my life!
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Tell your mom H no with no explanation.
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KMarie; Your assumption that your mother is "all there" is not accurate.

Either there is mental illness in play, or she has some level of cognitive decline. Or both.

Believe it or not, an elder can be "sharp as a tack" in conversation and still have dementia.

I agree with CMagnum. Just tell her "no, I can't possibly have you come back here to live".
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I agree that this is one of the strangest descriptions of a person who's supposed to be 'all there' I've ever read. The lady may not have dementia, but her behaviour is not either that of someone who's in close touch with standard reality, is it?

Blew through all the savings, Dad so worn down he's crawled to daughter's house as a place of refuge, Mother continues to rail histrionically, storms out, wants to storm back, grandiose threats...

Sounds manic to me. Anybody ever investigated that possibility? What does your Dad think? What does your Dad want to do? And whose household is your mother in? - are she and they safe, is the issue.
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Thank you!  barb , magnum, and country mouse.  I never say much, I know, but read everyday.  I keep thinking this is not happening to me.  I sound like some crazy person when I type it out. It is embarrassing.

My Dad told her to stay with my sister. She is furious! Says she misses him,says it is my fault he told her that.. oh geez. I say she misses torturing him... He told her he is not leaving here. She cannot come back here.  She is less than happy, as you can imagine. So the poor man has calls and texts all day from her .   She told him today she will sue me, take everything I have.. I still can't figure out what for.  He said to me I will just go then she will stop bothering you. I told him. Don't you dare!  Today I saw my Dad cry. It was hard. 

I am ok, and thank you all. I will keep Dad safe. She will not come back here. I may hide his phone. ( my brother told me to do that! ;). )  Not sure I can do that to him... but it's a thought.

I keep thinking, this is nuts, normal families don't have this. I guess we are not normal after all.  Maybe I always knew that. I am emerging from the denial stage.  :0. It is not easy. I just turned 60 isn't that enough trauma for one person in a year? . lol.
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if I wrote you all she has done , you would have me committed.  I am just hoping my dad can have some peace.
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the whine for the day comment inspired my rant. sorry.
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kmarie60,

You are fine. No need for sorry. You needed to vent and likely need to do more. Feel free to unload.
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Agree with Countrymouse, AND I would either block Mom's phone number or mute the calls to go to voicemail, and for voicemail have an automated number, no other information, and if necessary, change and block your phone number... private listing, etc.
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kmarie60, when I was a little girl in Illinois, I had a best friend 5 years younger * your age now *. whose name was "Kathaleen Marie".... this couldn't possibly be you, could it?! I would love to see her after all these years!
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My whine today is about people in my life who only seem to want to be there in my sadness but disappear in my success. Why is that do you think? Does anyone else out there understand what I'm talking about?

Wouldn't true friends be happy for you when things are going well for you? I don't understand it. The old saying laugh and the world laughs with you, cry and you cry alone should be the opposite in my case.

It's like the overweight woman who suddenly loses her friend when she slims down. Pretty sad state of affairs if you ask me.
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Ah yes, Gershun, what I call the "foul weather friend." All over you when you have juicy troubles for them to get their teeth into, but somehow strangely disappointed when you begin to sort them out. I don't know. Does it make one less worthy of their attention? Have we become boring? Do they suspect us of getting too big for our boots, or having complained about nothing?

If it's a friend you would rather not lose, someone who you really like but who has this tendency, try the head-on approach - when her response to your good news is grudging, look her in the eye and say "be happy for me!" You might be able to jolly her out of it.
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