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Just keep repeating RTFE read the ....email! xxxx CM huge hugs from down south xxxx
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Jude, I did that, last Sunday. I even assured him that he couldn't go far wrong, within reason, and our sister knows the form if he's not sure what to do. I think she will have picked up the message that I am about to start swearing at people from the conversation we just had about the bank so I hope she'll take it from here.
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POA-now-executor sister is meeting the culprit bank next week to close the account and transfer funds to the estate. I've asked her to come back from the meeting with somebody's fleshy parts on a platter, and thrown the cheque book on the fire that I happened to have going because Spring has suddenly vanished and it's bloomin' freezing.
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Oh shut the door hun and have some time to your thoughts. Email your siblings and tell them you have done your bit and now need some time for reflection so they will have to get on and do what they can. Be nice wench!!! Just say thank you for wanting to include me in the funeral arrangements but I just can't even think straight right now and Im sure anything you do will be fine (even if you know it wont be). As for music pick something simple for her like the old rugged cross or abide with me but please I need space right now. Im not being rude but I wont be answering any more emails and please dont ask me to find sort think about.. right now I cant and I need some me time ro rebuild my strength physically and emotionally.

Then press send, swear to the four walls and have a glass of something you like - it doesnt have to be alcohol (in fact wouldnt be in my case)
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I just don't want to know about it, Jude, that's the problem. If I were doing the funeral it would be simple and appropriate to mother's taste, and no I would have not the slightest difficulty in getting a properly proof-read order of service printed and ready. It isn't my fault that my EFW useless brother doesn't know what her taste was, and it isn't my fault that he accepted the honour - as both he and mother would have pretended to see it at the time - of being first her POA and then her executor when he must surely have known that he would hate every second of the job and be useless at it, which is also why my sister does all of the spade work but is obliged to include him at every point. But he did accept it, it is his job, I've done more than my fair share looking after my live mother and I don't want to know. That's why I'm on a hair-trigger with him at the moment - not to mention SIL trying to be cuddly and sympathetic in the background, which is truly nauseating for reasons that I can't bear to revisit at the moment - and that's why I think I'd be best advised to steer clear. I also can't bear the sight of my emotion-allergic sister desperately trying to firefight potential conflict, because it's so unfair on her and not her fault that mother didn't just sensibly entrust everything to her. I sodding hate my useless bloody family at times like this. I'd rather close the door on all of them.
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CM send them a sepia picture of Mum as a young girl or her wedding picture.
as far of the bank id concerned send the cheque book back with a sticky note on it that says "What part of my Mum is dead don't you understand?"
as far as the rest of the family is concerned they prpbably feel that as you cared for Mum for so long you would feel left out if they don't include you.
ight now i can see you just want to be left alone and don't want to think about anything. PTSD big time. maybe you should take up residence in the hen house they will never find you there. hugs
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Gershun, what you are seeing is not true thist but a feeling of dryness which is uncomfortable. if you have some of those foam swabs and she tries to suck on it let her and keep offering. Many people at home have their loved ones suck on the corner of a clean washcloth. she may not be able to swallow so be careful, It will probably just run out of the corner of her mouth.
As everyone has said this is the hardest time. try not to spend all your time just sitting there and counting her breaths. Leave for a few minutes every so often. Go get coffee, but some flowers, walk around outside. do not be afraid that as soon as you leave she will pass and you won't be there. that may be exactly what she wants. Many people feel that the loved one has waited to make the transition alone because they have half crossed the bridge and want to joint the others who are waiting. It is OK whatever you do, you have siad your goodbyes so many times already. i don't believe death is lonely there are already angels at the bedside holding her hands ready to lift her up and carry her over. you can't see them but she knows they are there just as she knows you are there. The moment of death is usually very peaceful almost tangible, You feel as though a great weight has been lifted. you may feel the spirit or soul or whatever you think remains still in the room. Some people open a window to give the spirit a way to leave. You need your strength for the days to come. Blessings
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CM nope truth is stranger than fiction always. Cough Noddy is definitely the right answer. As for the photo a photo shop will do it for you and the church may have its own scanner or a neighbour xxx or you could take a picture of a picture with your phone and upload it. Any help? xxxxx
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I am building up whines left, right and centre.

My lovely cousin stayed two nights, not one. Yesterday she announced that her next hostess had mixed up the dates so she'd be staying another night if that was okay. I wailed internally, but what could I say? "God no!"???

I had a card from another family member saying how much she was looking forward to sharing reminiscences with us all at mother's funeral. She is a very nice woman but she does not know us very well. QED. One reminiscence too many from a smiling sibling and I won't be answerable. And on reflection on my reflections, I really do begin to think it would be better if I sent apologies for absence and a taratiddle about a car breakdown.

I am being asked to provide a photograph for the order of service. My scanner has stopped working. Ex SO's scanner works fine, but he is away until Tuesday, his computer is on standby, and he sent me the wrong password, twice. Once we sorted that out, I found I need another password for his email so that I can forward the scanned image. ExSO is touring with his vintage car buddies and not responding to messages. I have emailed brother and said that frankly I have had enough of this and surely to God he has his own favourite photograph of our mother somewhere? I can only assume they are intentionally including me in the arrangements from some kind of misguided warm fuzziness. I am sure that if they knew how purple with rage my internal face is right now they would leave me in peace.

And they may be about to find that out, because I now find a voicemail from my brother asking me to sort out some music from mother's CD collection. Two words. First word, one syllable, rhymes with duck. Second word, one syllable, rhymes with -

Oh. And mother's bank, in response to my POA/Executor sister's informing them about her demise, have sent mother a new cheque book this morning.

You couldn't make it up.
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Gershun, this is torment for you; and exactly what I was dreading for myself. Keep sterile swabs and some cool boiled water to hand, and use the swabs to moisten your mother's mouth to keep her comfortable. If, after a while, you still feel convinced that she is making an effort to drink do not be afraid to call a nurse to come and watch what is happening and advise you further. Trust them: the first aim of the whole team is to avoid your mother's suffering. If what you're seeing indicates thirst to the point of conscious discomfort, they will act on it; or at least they will explain why what you're seeing is not what it looks like. Don't keep your anxieties about this to yourself because you will never get them out of your head.

Hugs to you, you are doing a brave, brave job there.
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Gershun, sending you thoughts of strength. It could very well have been automatic reflex gesture. I have heard the area around the mouth and cheeks is more vulnerable to reflex. This is one of the first areas where reflex shows up in infants, I believe it is called a moro reflex,(not sure of spelling). It would make sense that people carry some of this reflex ability into adulthood.
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Im not convinced either way Gershun Dad did that too and I asked the same question - he had cancer not dementia but was on morphine and to all intents and purposes out of it. One nurse said it was a reflex gesture one said it might be a reflex gesture and one said it wasn't; the doctor said it might be. SO a clear affirmation from them then. One thing I do know is that the COURTS consider it not to be. When they were charge with enacting an advanced directive for withdrawal of nutrition, they finally agreed that food / liquid should be supplied and if the person tried to drink it was considered consent - in their eyes your particular question would have meant consent but I truly am not so sure - I think that it is the body's natural reaction just as breathing is hun.

As for counselling post trauma - I would advise anyone to get grief counselling hun and as soon as possible. This type of lingering is so draining it can make care look like a walk in the park. My heart goes out to you hun xxxxxx
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Hello All,

Something happened at the hospital today that has upset me so much.

My Mom who has been on comfort care for the last 5 days is still lingering which in itself is astounding to me.

They say she is unaware because of morphine etc. And she is unresponsive of course. Not getting any fluids now for 5 days.But today when I visited her when I put a wet sponge on her lips, her mouth moved as if to accept the water. The only physical movement we have seen out of her in days.

My question is, is this a body's automatic reflex gesture? I sure hope so cause it has upset me so much to think that my mom is still in there somewhere aware of whats happening and dying of thirst.

I really am frightened that I am going to need some major counselling after this cause I am feeling severely traumatized by this whole experience.
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Susan, I know how trying thing are right now... so I'm sending you some virtual strength to get through this!

One day at a time girl... one day at a time.

Things seem to change so quickly that you almost wish you had that other stuff to whine about :)
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Where is my padded helmet.... a couple of days ago I wrote about my Dad wanting me to climb a ladder to change a light bulb on a cathedral hanging light... told Dad no can do.... suggested he call the electrician.

So what did Dad to today? He climbed up the ladder and replaced the light bulb... now he can't get the heavy globe back onto the light.... [me banging head against wall].

My sig other said to me that he will go down to my parents house tomorrow and see what he can do.... NO.... do not enable my parents... they need to learn that they will need to start paying people to help them since they refused to move to that fantastic retirement village just down the road. Heck, my sig other doesn't change burned out bulbs here at our house :P
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The problem is that he's Mom's age (70s) and still doctoring people. He needs to get out of the game and leave it to the younger docs, who are more willing to do the extensive testing needed for things like this. By the time today was done, Mom had had several EKGs, blood gases drawn, several other blood tests, EEG, another ct scan of her head, an ultrasound of her carotid arteries, an echocardiogram of her heart, and a pacemaker put in. The comparison? Her old doctor had only ordered home oxygen (3 liters - he said don't raise it to 4, because it would inhibit her drive to breathe - something the new doctor and several nurses all said was untrue - and they put her up to 4. She's still breathing, imagine that) - and he ordered a chest xray and MRI of her head - then he changed her meds. That was it. I would have had to take her back to his office yet again to get more tests done. I got tired of pulling teeth to get him to do what was necessary.
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Susan, this doofus of a doctor forgot that he told you he wasn't going to run any more tests???!! Maybe someone had better do some tests on HIM!! You were right to get away from him.
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Oh Susan, have been in a similar situation the past few months. No pacemaker for my mother for now who has CHF and A-fib along with a list of other medical issues.

Usually I can wake my mother to give her medicine and get a bit of toast in her but had not been able to wake her at all. I had been trying to tell the physicians and nurses at hospitals and NH's that my mother just doesn't act like that but was told she probably just has her sleep pattern mixed up. NH physician treated me like a child with his 'listen to me I'm going to tell you a story about how adults sleeping patterns change as they get older' crap. Finally, at her last hospital stay in March they saw what I had been seeing for months. Her heart rate had been dipping into the low 40's and a couple times 30's. So the doctors that said it was her 'sleep pattern being off' was wrong. Also, the attending physician that told me it was her Alzheimer's was also wrong. I can't stand that man. Several time I have considered changing doctors because of the attending physician. I only found out by accident that my mother has pancreatitis. The attending did not tell me. I went so far as to get referrals from her cardiologist. In March, the attending and her cardiologist could not agree on medicines to control the bp or heart rate and whether she needed a pacemaker. The cardiologist monitored her condition for several days before making the decision of no pacemaker for now. Her heart rate issue is caused by agitation. To shorten the long story, NH = agitation = uncontrolled heart rate. A pacemaker wouldn't help this situation.

Susan - I am thinking of you and praying for both of you. If you can, ask someone at the hospital for a different bed. I spent one night on a recliner chair and hurt all over. I asked everyone that walked in the room until I got one if I could get a pullout bed. I hurt too much to care that I was begging.
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Susan, good for you for letting that doctor have it...And Jude, how true, we shouldn't have to do it...but Lord knows I have thrown down quite a few times over the course of the past four years ...and the sad part of it is that none of the aunts and uncles (my Mama's siblings) "get me"...I don't give a rat's behind what they get anymore. I am done walking on eggshells around them to keep from hurting their feelings...None of them have been here for Mama or for me so h*ll with them.

I am praying we never have to go back to the hospital...I know they are praying that as well. The last time we were there and meds were not being given to my Mama because the DOCTOR goofed and forgot to prescribe them so we would have to wait til the morning because the pharmacy was closed for the night (this was around midnight)....thank God that night I had brought Mama's meds from home, and I told them I was about to give her one of the Cipro's and I stood there while I made dang sure they put a note in her chart and I told them I was about to wake up everybody on the 7th floor if they didn't get off their butts and get it straigtened out...soon after they sent some sort of director over the nurses and some other person as a witness, apologizing profusely and asking me if I needed anything...I told them I did not need anything other than to make sure they were doing their d#*$ job and taking care of Mama...

Why on earth when we are so overwhelmed, so exhausted, so everything you can imagine, are we constantly put in the position of having to have a come to Jesus meeting to make folks in the medical profession do their job...

I used to have a huge amount of respect for doctors but with so much of mess Mama has had to endure at the hands of seemingly incompetent people, I am not above calling them out on their ineptitude. And I don't give a flying fart who likes it...or me....
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Every single day I wake up to a trashed out den to clean up again and immediatly have to start working for my dear Mother,Hospice comes by 2 times a week to check on Mom but I have no help physically.I always feel like the world is on my shoulders and Ive been anticipating death to come for so long,I know I am extremly lucky to still have her and I will make it through another day.Im just venting my woes this particular a.m.
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H*ll glad I heard that over here in the UK! big hugs xx
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Blood curdling scream! Both up at 7:30 this morning. Two weeks until placement! Now they start early rising?!
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Yes, they're monitoring her for infection, because her white count was a little elevated, so they're keeping an eye on that and on all her other levels. Neurologist was in today and has requested another round of other tests, so that's being done today as well as her pacemaker placement, so another busy day ahead.
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Susan that is exactly what my Mum was like last time in hospital. She did have an infection but it was complicated by very low sodium levels - please tell me they have checked that xxxx
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Oh, and provided Mom is stable after her surgery today, I'm going home tonight to get some much-needed sleep. It's gonna be a big coffee day until then.
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Thanks everyone! You know, it was funny in a way, because I have heard SO many people around here saying they don't like this particular doctor - that he's too old and needs to retire, that they don't like his methods and he doesn't listen to them. I've *never* liked him, even back when I was very young and he was our family doctor. I think he was astounded that instead of just listening to the wise, learned doctor, I actually bucked his opinion and told him he was wrong - then he stood there and said, "Well, I don't know that I *refused* to run more tests..." Uh...so what do you call it when you say, "I'm not going to run more tests"?? Anyway, Mom is getting the care she needs now, and if I had more time and money, I'd sue him 6 ways from Sunday, but for now, I'm just happy to have Mom out of his care.

Last night was ROUGH. Mom was very confused and kept trying to get out of bed - I ran home at 9pm to let the dog out, came back to find that she had tried to get out of bed. Thank goodness they have a bed exit alarm on her bed. Throughout the night, while I was here *trying* to sleep, she did it 5 more times, plus the nurses coming in all through the night to reposition her (about 8 times), mom shifting her legs around in the bed, which kept waking me because I thought she was trying to get out of bed, so I'd wake up to check on her....plus being in a recliner that kept folding back into the upright position...it was like an episode of the 3 stooges.

I wish this new doctor wasn't a hospitalist - I wish she was a regular doctor and could take mom as a patient. She's awesome.
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ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON KATIE. Susan you took the right course without a doubt. I am just so angry that ON TOP of everything else that we have to cope with and must of us do it without payment we are then treated like total imbeciles by 'the professional' and I use the term loosely - the more I see the less impressed I am, yet we DO KNOW. And when it is shown that we know is there an apology? Is there hell as like. GO Susan, Go Susan! oooh I must get my cheerleading skirt out (and bin it!)
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Susan, good for you for standing up to that doctor!! I have had so many problems with doctors not understanding UTIs and nursing home neglegt in the last year that I have thought at times about going to my attorney. I have just been so depressed and busy and tired from all of this that I have not, but I have gotten feisty from here on in when these doctors just don't get it. Some of them think they are God and you as the patient or family member are stupid and their word is the final say. It feels good to finally fire a bad doctor or nursing home or health staff person! We have the power to look for another doctor or nursing home, and they don't even consider that and are surprised when we tell them goodbye!
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Its all very well us cheering Susan on and I echo everyone's sentiments re that BUT WE SHOULDNT HAVE TO RANT AND RAVE TO BE HEARD. I am absolutely fed up of doctors and nurses and dont even get me started on social workers not paying any attention to what the ONE PERSON WHO KNOWS thinks. Dear Lord in most cases we have known them all our lives and in some cases have lvied with them that long too. Of COURSE we know what their wellness looks like, of COURSE we know what happened we were there.

Now you see this is where for me litigation should step in and I am not litigious at all by nature but here is Susan (((((HUGE HUGS BY THE WAY)))))) desperately trying to do right by her mum and what happens the flaming doctor has clearly decided thats it her mums life is over. He had no right to behave in that way (Hippocratic oath...... first do no harm) - that for me is negligence - but hey what do I know? Well I know what it is like to be pulled every which way, to have to fill out myriads of stupid forms that all ask the same damned thing and require the same damned documents to be supplied/photocopied. I know what it is to not sleep nights to be constantly answering the same question, to be tired beyond belief and still have to get out of bed when that bell rings. I know what it is like to make the dozens of phone calls the visits to hospitals/doctors/clinics and I know what it is like to wrestle with everyone any flaming time you need something..... And you know what - I think that makes me qualified to have my voice heard

As I see it you have two choices in this world - make euthenasia legal via a joint review - doctors and family or dont make it legal. At the moment it is not legel so that doctor should be severeley reprimanded for not listening to Susan (at the least)
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hope, I am glad to see you posting again, I have missed you as well as hearing about your lovely mama.... stick around :)
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