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hi everyone - sore back from dealing with deer meat and more coming. G does most of it but I get to baggie it - taking a break
sounds like everyone is ticking along -
terri - do you have an alternative for your mum - as long as she gets away with this behaviour she will keep prob doing it -is it alz or just the way she is?
seeme - good to hear from u -take your time over what you have to do - it isn't easy
ladee - marie laughed - that is awesome and amazing!!!
stormy - sorry dad fell but glad he is not sore -yes, we go out at those temps -some work outside then too. I try to avoid the worse days now that I am retired but schools keep going - nothing shuts down unless there is a blizzard and the RCMP says to keep off the roads. The college shut down once in the 25+ years i worked there
jam -woo hoo!!! 14 lbs off - the NH sounds great -think the col will enjoy herself
ros -glad u r around - praying for work and pay!
54 - hanging in there I see - such a long process -so glad u have help
sdpeg -how ya doin'?
tpeg -it will work out - somehow... glad u have counselling tomorrow
cmag - good one re the Oz
everyone - thinking of you - gotta finish my tea and get back to the kitchen -apple crumble in the oven
love, hugs and prayers to all ♥♥♥
jo
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HI all, just checkin' in to say HI and good night.

My midterm went ok, thanks for asking. Was happy that about 8 of us got together for a study group right before the test. Certain things stuck in my head because someone else said it you know. Perhaps I did as well as I thought I did. There is only so much this brain can house and then it explodes!!! ha ha

My check engine light is on my 2003 Hyundai Accent (111,000 miles ~ I am blessed with a car that let's me know when it needs attention!!!). My coolant container is about empty with evidence of spillage all over that side. The last time the hood was up was for my smog check (passed) so it might just be something small and inexpensive (I hope) So I think tomorrow I will have to miss my morning class and maybe my afternoon one as well. Ugh! But thankfully only 6 more weeks of school, then finals, then a month break!!! Whew! I should make it.

I hired a new caregiver for my mom for Mondays (my longest day at school) and apparently they had a good time. Mom went to bed. I am blessed she goes to bed early, does not wander at night, I hear her get up to go to the bathroom but she goes back to bed. Trust me, after reading about you others with night owls and wanderers, I know I am blessed!!!

For the posts over the weekend about the wonderful Wizard of Oz...two of my granddaughters will be in that play ... they are munchkins. Your post made me smile!

Good night and thank you all for being my friends on this site. Adore you!!!

SDPeg
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HI Jo, I was just posting when you were...great minds think alike. And TPeg: in counseling? So am I!!! I love it! We pegs have to stick together! SDPeg
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I will give everyone an update tomorrow after the deed is done. stormy.....we moved the col here in Nov. 2009. So almost 2 yrs I have seen a consistent and steady decline. Sad to watch and she is now past the point of being able to be left alone for any length of time. She still has not been able to figure out how we know everything she is up to when the care givers are not there. I just keep telling her I can see through the walls. We will care for her dog......I'll have 4 running around now but they all get along great so that won't be a problem.

Time for bed........long day tomorrow. Hope everyone sleeps well tonight.

Love and Hugz,
Jam
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Love all of you! You have all given me so much! I think I would have moved to "Insane" permanently! Haha..
Dads doc appointment was good. His doc is such a good guy. We talked about stay in hospital and possibility that the fluid is coming from kidneys since they are functioning at 80% or less as well as congestive heart failure. Then on to the anemia that is major concern. There is something called erythropoietin that the kidney produces to stimulate red blood cells in bone marrow. It is possible since dads kidneys aren't at 100% that this could be a factor in dads anemia. Also dad still has the pain in abdomen that he had when he went into hospital. We will get CT of that area on Wed. Dad also had appointment with dermatologist ..6 month check but he had a skin cancer on head that had to come off. Poor dad it was a long exhausting day. PT will be coming tomorrow, I hope he is up to it. Docs in hospital took dad off Celexa at night...I am going to start it back as he is getting antsy, down and very emotional at times.
Will check in tomorrow..prayers
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Vic, sounds like it is all catching up to dad.... guess he gets grumpy because he is not the same man he used to be and for many men this is very very hard to accept.... You are so loving and consistent with him, probably makes him feel guilty that the daughter is doing the 'parenting'...... you are a joy and a blessing.... love and hugs to you.... am glad he is getting the CT to see what is causing the pain in his side... sounds like you have a great Dr......let us know how things are, your heathen friend......
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Is anyone ever afraid of dying first and leaving their loved one behind? Sometimes, when my aches and pains rear their ugly heads, it makes me wonder. This week has been overly emotional. I am changing churches, dealing with my mother's conditions and dealing with all the things that the cousins tell me that I need to do, only the finances aren't there to do them now. It's not like it's anything that my mother needs and has to do without, it's just things that would make THEM happier. And my best friend is going overseas on business in the middle of it all.

I think the cousins have finally accepted that sibs won't be there for our mother. Now if they would just get it into their heads that I really am an adult and have taken care of her without anyone's help for many years. She's alive, so I must have done something right, even if it was only to pray for her every single day.

Sometimes I wish the sibs had these worries on them, but I don't think that she'd be taken care of if they did. I hated to point out to dear brother what a NH would cost and how little would have to be left if they had to get her approved for Medicaid. I think the twenty or thirty dollars I spend on things I need a month is much cheaper, don't you?
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Jo, you exhaust me = deer, apple crumble, and on and on! I need a nap just readuing your posts sometimes. lol
Not much new here. Mom told me the "kids" were there when I called last night. She had not eaten yet (6:20 pm) and was waiting for them to tell her to fix their plates. She told me what she really wanted to do was "throw the plates at them. I am so sick of them ignoring me!"
Oh dear, Mom. And no, Dad isn't coming home for dinner.
I wonder, do the other family members who are so rich with suggestions want to substitute for me for a few days? I'd welcome the relief...but I'd be afraid of the agitation they might cause.
On the other hand, my caring sister in CA found the coleslaw recipe on line that Mom can't find. (I'm sure it's in her recipe box somewhere.) I so appreciate that she is also calling Mom frequently.
I am grateful today for my sister, the sun shine and my cats who just want to cuddle this morning.
Have a good day, all.
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Hugs to all who come here for advice, and to vent.... sending healing prayers to all. Will be heading down to my mom's house shortly to check on her, see if she paid for her Meals on Wheels, and how the med pill box is doing....
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Maya: I do have thoughts of who would take care of my mom should God call me first. then I remember to stay healthy, drive safely, and pray others do as well. It is a good proactive thought so we think of these things and also to be realistic.
I have family member who are in denial of my Mom's health but I can't change them. I can just do what I can to be the best daughter/caregiver I can be to her. I know that others would never be able to do what I do with the quality I do it; should she outlive me, God bless those that think this is easy.
Prayers,
SDPeg
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Okay I am so not in the best of moods today. I love my sister Kathy I do but what the hell?!! It was a nice weekend then today she says her and ERica are coming to the house to clean my pigstye apartment HUH. One my house is messy yes two I can clean my own dang house without any problems thank you very much. Yes its not to HER standards but she's not bloody living here Mom and I am. When I told her thank you but no she got all pissy with me. Well I am sorry I don't mind the offer its nice but what comes with it is what i don't want to deal with. When she comes to help she is full of reprimands and derogatory remarks and put downs on me or the way I keep the apartment. Then she rants at me for hours as she cleans puts things where I can't find them and gets mad when I move them back. She also said that my house should be immaculate cause its just mom and me. what world is SHE from that mom doesn't make a mess? Okay what PLANET is she from. Yeah mom may not be able to get up and move like she used to but she YES does make a mess candy wrappers and crumbled food in her chair on the floor by the window the mess in the bathroom .. yeah okay mom doesn't make a mess whatever! .. Sorry just I had plans to do stuff today but it got put off cause I had to clean house ... though its not to HER specifications its to MINE!
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Shawna, your sister sounds like mine do. They pick and pick. And absolutely loved it when my mother's sister pulled the sofa out to show me where I missed cleaning the baseboard before she got there.

I clean blood drips from my mom's incision that get all over the bathtub, the floor, the towels, etc.... I clean the stuff off of the toilet seat. I can vacuum ten times a day and there will still be crumbs there a half hour later.

They look down on me because their homes are freaking spotless. Do I care any longer? Nope, I'm just happy when she doesn't fall over all the tubing that she has to wear and the power cords from the machines.

Know what I mean?
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I mean i love my sister and she does help but I just don't want to deal with the negative that goes along with it!
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Got some great news today - NOT! Seems my MIL needs to have some surgery. Her mom had colon cancer and now they have sound some pre cancerous cells in her colon, so according to her doc, it needs to be removed. She has never had surgery before, except for an apendectomy when she was 3 yo. She left a message on our answering machine that was pure panic. Finally got through to her that she can have it done down south, not in Bangor Maine in the dead of winter. Considering that it could range all the way to a temporary colostomy, and the conditions in the BIL house in SC, I would not be surprised if it was done here in NC with her recovering in our house. Am I ready for this? No way!! Will I allow it? Yes.....hubby was too good about my mom living here for 5 yrs. Do I WANT to? NO! But I will do what is right.........And anything that happens with my MIL will NOT interfer with me getting my puppies!!!
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Seeme, I'm in Bessemer City.
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((((((hugs))))) shawna and maya - no one needs put downs - no one! let them take your place for a week and see how they feel.

maya I know the feeling of wondering if you are going to outlast the one u care for. Moving churches can be stressful - and that which leads up to it, You don't have to do what the cousins want to you to do, do you? You are not beholden to them. Who are these cousins anyway - the self appointed caregiver's cops? An NH may be necessary at some time, especially of your health is suffering. Yes, the $20-30 is cheaper.
sdpeg - hope it is nothing big with ur car - I have a couple of lights on too that G is supposed to get at - one is a bulb - no biggie there and one may be an air filter - no biggie either. Glad the midterm went well.
vic - hope they find the cause of the abdominal pain -and may the celexa kick in soon and dad be a happier camper. Hope u can relax a little.
carolyn - I don't write about the down times, of which there are many. I used to be a morning person (and once in a while still am) but since retiring I usually do liitle before the afternoon and I love it. G comes home for supper and that is when I am busiest usually. I like cooking and he likes home made everything. I have always worked with spurts of energy and down times (when possible - wasn't when the kids were little) and as I get older the downtimes get longer and the spurts of energy shorter lol. Glad you have cuddly cats - my Toonie (tabby) is a great cuddlebug, Critical sibs get pretty aggravating.
hi dede -thx for the prayers. Back at ya! Hope mum is fine.
Oh seeme - just what you didn't need right now and I am sure she didn't either. Another mum for u to care for!!! You need those puppies for sure! Is it still Pingo and Shart? Take care of you!!!! I am hoping something else works out.
ladee - let us know how ur day went -hope Sonny is more upbeat today.
jam -waiting for a report of your day's work...
everyone -check in and let us know how u r
Slept like a log last night. Been dealing with some emotions from extended family and family of origin issues and feeling a bit like a deflated balloon. I thought by this age I would have all that stuff sorted out, but no such luck - still learning.
have a good one
love, hugs and prayers ♥♥♥
jo
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Back home now and exhausted! Good grief I'm in a dog pile!!!!! I explained to the col several times this morning what was happening today....I don't think it ever really registered with her. Carolyn, from yesterday, and two others were waiting at the front door for her when we got there and welcomed her. It took forever to walk her back to her room, while we were doing that my son was pulling the truck around back with her belongings, and he and my dil met us in the hall laughing............it just so happens the col's new roommate is my dil's grandma!!!!! She sleeps a lot so there won't be much interaction, but when dil's family is there to visit, they will be able to visit with the col also. Got her dresser and chair moved in, they will get all of her clothes labeled, I will choose some pics to place around the room for her. She did really well, laughed and was so nice to everyone. She appeared comfortable. We went to finish paperwork and Target said she was sitting in the main area with a cup of coffee listening to the music. There was a man of Hawaiian descent singing and dancing.....what could be more perfect since the col loves Hawaii? Today was also "Happy Hour" day and tomorrow is "Ice Cream" day. Took me a few minutes to work my way through the hugs from the girls that I haven't seen since my mom was there. The only dark side was when I was writing that check and found out that if we had called the ambulance Friday night, after the fall, and she stayed in the hospital for 3 midnights, then Medicare and Blue Cross would be paying for this. Lesson learned I guess. But if she should become ill or injured from a fall, then that would happen then. Things will work out fine, I'm sure. The col's dog hasn't had a problem, he comes right back up the stairs instead of going over to his back door. I'm thinking this will be my opportunity to get some weight off his little body. He follows me everywhere I go and that includes up and down the stairs.

I have waited patiently for the opportunity to finally get to say to a certain person SHAME ON YOU! And yes, I know who you are. I hope you have been able to sleep at night with the knowledge of the anguish and bewilderment that you subjected an elderly woman to. A person who has been loved and cared for and watched over every minute. And who didn't deserve your petty interference into her life. You didn't hurt me personally, you hurt me because you hurt her and for that I hope someday God will forgive you.

Love and Hugz to all my true friends,
Jam
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Good post Jam, nuff' said on that....
Seeme, I am sending prayers for another solution for your mil.... you will step up, because that is who you are..... but I just pray there is another way this can be taken care of..... too much too soon...
Vic, what did the CT scan show on dad today, was it today??? Forgive me if I have the days mixed up... hope you are getting some rest...
Emjo, I have retirement envy..... I would so LOVE to not have to work.....and you deserve to have your mornings to do as you please.... Is G liking his new job??? And hope some resolution comes soon for you on family matters......
Sonny was down again today.... had to take him to get his flu shot, he was so disoreinted and confused.... very anxious..... but that is done, so hope the weather stays pretty for a few days so he and I can go outside..... it isn't even winter here but Marie does not want him outside.... agrhhhh... and I am getting BORED.... No one wants me to be BORED, there is nothing nice about that.....
Will get caught up on other posts and be back later..... love ya'll
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Shawna, if your sister feels like cleaning houses, please tell her to come to mine. I would be only too pleased to welcome her. I will accept any criticism, as long as she cleans.
My brother and SIL don't say anything about my house (even if they look around with disapproving eyes) but there is a subject that they deal with, every single time they come: My mother's shoes! My mother has to wear open sandals, summer and winter, because her feet are in such a bad condition that she can't stand ANY kind of shoe. And every single time my brother and SIL come, they look at her shoes and ask me why I don't find a solution for that. They are ashamed to take her to lunch with her sandals on, I guess. (Once a month, of course)
Those people are eons and eons far from our real life...
Seeme, don't let your MIL become permanent... Please. You have already given your share.
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Ro, aren't you glad you are not THEM, I couldn't stand my life if I was always looking down my nose and judging...... and you are right.... they do not live in the real world.... and why don't THEY find a solution to the problem, they seem to be the only ones that see her shoes as a problem.... Too bad ugly sibs arent' like lemmings going over a cliff...... love ya Ro... take care of yourself....
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Hey ya'll well I'm glad to know that i am not alone with the issue about the house being a mess. Because mine is, I try to keep it picked up but when you have a little one dragging toys out all the time it's almost impossible and he has alottttt of toyssssssss.........
Well me and sis carried dad to the dr today it was a scheduled appt for a check up on the throat stretch. Dr said that dads throat was more open this time that he went in and he was able to stretch it even more. So he is thinking maybe dad can go longer next time without having to get the stretch done every 6 to 7 weeks. But dad did tell him that he was still having trouble getting stuff down. So doc wants dad to have a barium swallow study done in nov to just swallow different textures of food to see what is going on. Then sis asked him about the coffee grounds in his feeding tube(we have only seen that once) but before she said anything to doc she said i told dad that it was probably coming from his surgery he had done on his throat. And doc said that yeah that is probably what it was. But all these stretches he has never had coffee grounds in his feeding tube. Oh well he is the doctor and i guess he knows what he is talking about.
Dad told sis the other day that he just didn't feel good and she asked him what was bothering him and he said i don't know i just don't feel good. Then today when we get back from the drs office i started cleaning dads neck because it is still sore and the left side is the one that has been bothering him more than the right. And i started looking and i swear that collarbone was swollen. And i started mashing on it and asking dad was it sore here and he said yes. Sis thinks that maybe the infection from his neck has gone to the collarbone. Stormy thinks that the cancer has gone to the collarbone. But i haven't told sis that.... Because she would just say nah it's probably just infection. Hell, I don't know what it is.
Then the other thing is brother has had this thing come up on his ear that has been there for about 2 months we thought it was a cyst(that's what it looked like) and it started getting bigger and getting more sore. Me and sis kept telling him to have it looked at and yesterday he saw the dermatologist and they cut it off and she told him that it looked like basal cell cancer. And she is sending it off and he will have the results next week. But i did read that,that kind rarely spreads lord i hope not. So please keep him in your prayers. He is so comical he said he told the doctor "why don't you just get a whole puncher and punch a hole in there and then i can wear a earring in there. Then the other thing he said about dad was, I told him that sis and i couldn't figure out why dad couldn't get full and he said i know why he said because all that food is going into his lungs. I said boy you are crazy!!!!! He has not done right by me and sis with helping out with dad, but we love him and he does keep us laughing because of his little remarks about everyone. And he is doing better going to church and getting involved in there and he has not had anything to drink in awhile and he has been trying to help out more with dad. Well better get to bed. Talk to ya'll tomorrow. Hugs stormyyyyyyyyyyy
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Hi all, I will read the posts later and please excuse me for not doing so and jumping right into what is bothering me tonight.
I do need opinions and I don't mind how differing they are.
6 weeks ago I spent almost $2000 on the transmission in my car. I was overjoyed to have that problem resolved. (Not so overjoyed to pay the bill however!!!)
Last night my check engine light went on and today the mechanic (not at the tranny shop) said it looks like the head gasket and gave me an estimate of between $1500 and $3000. What choice do I have? I need my car. We are out in the rural area and it is miles from everywhere!!! Ok, so much for justifying telling him to go ahead and figure out what needs to be done and he will call me along the way and yes I trust him (he is well known in this town and his wife is my mom's hairdresser so there is no reason not to trust him with his input on what needs to be done).
This is my problem: my brother, yep, here he is again in my thoughts and posts. He has his finger in my mom's financial pie. My mom offered to help me with the repairs (help in what form I do not know at this time because I was weeping ~ I cry when I am mad ~ and I didn't ask her to clarify) and I know my brother will find out (mom is a big mouth) and make negative comments. I already alerted my sister and her response is that it is my MOM"S money and the decision is between mom and me but we all know those bully siblings/family members.
There is no option: I have to borrow or receive the money. I welcome input about how to and what to say to this "Golden Boy" ... just because HE has money doesn't mean everyone else does.
And to ask mom to keep this between she and I ... she can't do that ... she is the town crier you know!!!
Thanks for listening ... needed to get all this out before I go to bed.
SDPeg
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$2,000 for a new transmission sounds high to me, but I don't know what kind of car you have. The check engine light has to do with how your car's emissions system is doing. Has the mechanic run the computer scanner on your car to see what codes it is saying that would help him identify what it is. It can be related to a blown head gasket which parts and labor is costly.

How old is this car? How many miles does it have on it? Are these the first really major repairs it has needed or has it been nickle and dimming you along the way? I ask that because to put $3,500-$5,000 into a car that is very old might now be as good an idea as spending a little more on a younger used car with lower miles. That's my opinion. If it is the head gasket and that is all you can do is to get that repaired, then get it done soon before the anti-freeze goes into your cylinders and costs you the entire engine.
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CMag, sure hope you didn't open a can of worms for yourself with the 'car talk', we well all be asking questions now about how come my car is making that 'eek eek thump' sound....... glad you are here.... hugs to you
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I hope we don't get into too much 'car talk.' :)

BTW, yesterday was a good turning point in my life as pertaining to 6 years of therapy with a 2 year focus on a certain person in my family of origin to whom I wrote a letter, (not to be mailed), expressing my anger and pain which I read to my therapist. My therapist said, I had finally gotten totally in touch with my anger and asked what I wanted to do with the letter. I told him that I wanted to burn it. We had enough time to go outside, burn the letter, pray a prayer of release of all that pain, anger, guilt, shame, homicidal thinking, etc. as it finished burning in the can and then concluded by casting the ashes of the letter into the wind. I feel free and much calmer. Come what may today, this is how I'm doing today.
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Good Morning Posse!

It's dark and gloomy, a little rainy, sitting here with a cup of coffee and wondering what I am going to do today since I don't have to fire up the camera and check in on the col and I read CMag's last post and I just want to thank you! Reading what you wrote about feeling calmer instantly gave me a feeling of peace and a sense that today will be a very good day.

Shawna......I saw last night that you had tried to talk to me on FB............never fear, I am not ignoring you! I have a bad habit of being there and getting up to do something else and it may be hours before I get back. By the way, I loved the pic of mom scooping out that pumpkins innards..............

SDPeg.......I agree with CMag on your car. Get a second opinion before you start pouring money into a lost cause. A couple of yrs ago we were having trouble with our car and no one would touch a Cadillac, said we had to take it to a dealer, well there isn't one close. The place that does all of our glass repair sent us to a garage, he immediately diagnosed the problem and repaired everything except the heat for the driver's seat....thought there was a short in the wire, so we said no problem. As long as I have the heat on my side we're okay.....:) And he also helped another friend who thought she was looking at thousands of dollars in repairs, he told her to give him a day to look up the error code she was getting, and it turned out the fix was a fuse. Even though you are friends with your mechanic, a second opinion might save you a lot of money.

stormy.........Stomach acid is what makes the blood look like coffee grounds.

I will check back a little later after I have read everyone's posts.

Love and Hugz to all,
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Hi, sorry if my last post sounded like I was more concerned about whether or not these repairs on my car were necessary. I was so tired and "spent" as we know we all get. My dilemma more so than the cost of the car repairs is how to respond to judgmental brother who does manager and control my mom's finances which is from whom I would need to borrow money. I totally trust this mechanic and what he said made sense based on what I know I have or have not done to the vehicle for preventive medicine, shall we say. The details however are this is a 2003 Hyundia Accent, 5 speed manual transmission with 111,000+ miles (this is within the average for CA for this age car). I haven't had a car with this many miles and therefore didn't keep some maintenance other than oil change done (belts and the like? Never gave them any thought.) But like a human body, a physical of a vehicle should be done regularly. In the past I traded a car with high mileage in for a new car; haven't been able to afford that this time around. And I have been distracted with sick and dying dad and now needy mom to remember to put my car first. The cost of my tranny repair included not only the tranny but other things as well that definitely needed being done. So that expense I am ok with.
My dilemma is how to deal with judgmental brother.
WE ALL have these siblings that really need to hear "this is none of your business so butt out" and seriously this is where I am at today ... tell him to mind his own business and how and when I repay mom is between her and me. It's these siblings that add stress rather than the repair cost itself.
Maybe I have answered my own dilemma ... so this post I am asking for prayers to be strong enough and bold enough to say "butt out".
Thanks for your input. Thanks for listening.
SDPeg
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sdpeg - that was my immediate thought - it is none of his business - now he may say that he is in charge of the finances so it is his business. Would he refuse to do the transaction on the basis that he is looking after your mum's best interests? I guess what I am saying is tread lightly - and since he is your mum's agent with regard to her money, he probably has the right to see that any such agreement ensures that she is repayed. This really puts you in a difficult position considering his personality. I don't see how your mum could lend you the money without him finding out, if he has charge of the finances. Guess I am confused about that.
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Hi, thanks for the input.
He "sees" all transactions because he has all of her accounts online.
What SHE does with HER money is HER business.
For instance, today, she has very little cash in her wallet and caregiver and mom will probably go to the bank to withdraw. Once brother sees withdrawal he questions my mom on what that withdrawal is for seeing as he has most of her bills paid online as well. So it is more so noticing the withdrawal, questioning my mom about each and every withdrawal, and she answers him. She does not keep secrets from him at all.
So she could lend a dozen people money without his immediate knowledge or consent legally but it is more so the stress of the questioning etc etc that I am focusing on.
Or maybe I won't focus on that today and just enjoy my class this morning, counseling this afternoon and meditation group later this afternoon. Then if and when he questions ME I will tell him "that's between me and mom". Maybe I could leave out "none of your business" ha ha
Actually if you think about it, the stress is between him and my mom and not me at all. I am just a borrower and that does not involve him at all.
This group is not only great for suggestions and input but great for the brain while trying to process some things.
Thanks!!!
SDPeg
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My question would be first, will Mom have to do the asking? If so, then there shouldn't be a problem, since it's her money and I don't think she would owe your brother any kind of explanation. And the repayment agreement would be between mom and yourself. And if brother wants to give you grief over it, just tell him "fine, I will have mom's things packed up and ready for you to come pick her up. I have to have a way to take her shopping, to dr appts, etc and without a car I can't do it." He'll probably hand over the money faster than you can say "butt out". Then after you have money in hand, tell him to kiss off. He sounds like such a big bully, don't let him intimidate you, stand up to him, and I bet you will see him back off. Most people like that are just big bags of hot air and can be deflated very easily. Let us know when you've kicked some behind....:)
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