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Our Thanksgiving was ok and getting the Thanksgiving meal as a take out from K & W worked very well since my wife was not up to getting out. In the afternoon, my boys and I went to visit my mother who is fighting a UTI and visited my step-dad. We also talked with my dad on the telephone.

Today, our youngest came down with a fever over 101 and has been sleeping the whole day. My muscle relaxer that I take at night for my neck is almost working too well, but when I get up in the morning the back of my skull hurts for a bit and then stops.
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For the last few days, I have been pondering a new question that I posted tonight.
Have people found their parent's long term care policy to pay for basically all of the nursing home expenses? If so, should I look for a good not for profit nursing home where her insurance would pay almost everything and she would be well taken care of?
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Good Morning Posse!

Why do dogs always want to get up and go outside EARLY when it's raining?

CMag.....I don't have any experience with long term care policies, but I will be interested in the information you get, as I am really thinking this may be the way to go for myself. After trying to figure out how to handle the col's care, and writing those big monthly checks, I think any assistance would be a God-send.

Did a little on-line Christmas shopping this morning for grandchildren. The bigger "kids" have already been given money, so shopping for the 2 girls.

Will check on the col later.....no phone calls during the night, so all is good.
Check in when you can and let us know how you are doing today..............

Happy Trails,
Jam
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Morning everyone, raining here again this morning.... thank the good lord.... we may make it here in Texas yet....not hearing anyone around here complaining when it rains, (even when they have to let the dogs out)... Love ya Jam.....
Jam, let us know how the col it today.... and keep your hiney dry....
Hope we hear from everyone today.... love ya Seeme Sue..... hugs and angels to everyone...
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Morning ladee......we're getting the same rain storm.....I wouldn't mind it so bad if I didn't have to go out in it with the dogs...........I have to carry the blind one out and she won't wear a coat....so there I am trying to keep her a little dry with my umbrella, after all she is 96 yrs old....some friends call her the "Nascar dog" because she turns in left circles all the time.........when the weather is bad I take the dogs to the front, which is a shorter route, then they all scatter to do their business.....and yes, it ends up looking like a 3-ring circus....lol. And I always end up soaked..........but our pump system is working overtime and pumping water from the creek into the pond....there may be hope for those fish yet!
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Hey everybody:) Ladee, its ok if you get irritated about auntie, it is really ok when you do. I get aggrevated to, that's why I write about it so much. Not really anyone else to tell my annoyances to. Wouldn't want to upset hubby, and I don't really talk about her at all on fb...to much small town gossip, she is a private person and if it got back I was writing bout her, id be banished Lol.and when she moved in here the rumors flew, nobody was smart enough to realize after the death of my mother in law it would be left for us to handle, they acted like we went down to the nursing home and picked us up an orphan granny or somthing, for monetary gain(geesh..I wish) it would make it easier.
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Sorry if I don't write in two parts I lose the whole thing somtimes. Anyways, this website is my safehaven. And if y'all get aggitated that's ok, I am too:) I've learned a lot from some of yojr responses, mainly that its not all in my head when I get mad about stuff she does, that some of it really IS rediculous, and some people go through the same kinda thing. And I feel less mean when I can vent about it all. Love my family here!
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I agree: this site is my safe place to lay my head at the end of the night. I, too, have learned a lot from other people's lives. Venting has been good for me as well. I agree we are family. This site is worth so much to so many and I just want to say I am blessed by you all.
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And love you to ASG and miss you on here everyday, but know you have your hands full... I guess I get upset because you are so patient with her, and I just hate the way she treats the kids.... you are such a great mom, love to read your stuff on FB about family.... so I just get protective, and that is a good thing... at least you know I care how stupid she gets sometimes.... Is the cat still allowed out of that damned cage???? I thought I was going to have a nervous breakdown over that cat... lol....and you are also patient with me when I am on a rant about Auntie.... and yes, when we are writing about family, we need to be careful on FB....That's why God made email,right??? Love ya girl, and am so happy to see you posting a little more... I really do miss you.... hugs and angels....
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Yes we got lots of rain here, they say its gonna get so cold tonight that we may get a little snow showers, but nothing that will accumulate. I love snow, as long as I'm not stuck in for days and days at a time. That's never really happened before, even after the blizzard we were able to get out. Jam sorry the col is sick, that must be terrible for her, I tried to read back and still didn't figure out why she is in the nh. Aunt got a pnumonia(sp) shot last year. Can they still get that after having a vaccine? She is still having trouble going, well she can go its just really small, she got kinda sick from it, felt full, threw up a couple times, so she saw a speacialist a couple months ago, he didn't think she needed a colonscopy, he did an exam said she didn't have an impaction, but thought her colon had shrunk? So he tried to stretch it? I put question mark cause I've never heard of this. Whatever he did still hasn't helped. She hasn't been sick anymore. He gave her some meds to regulate her digestion. But it hasn't helped either. She will go back in a few weeks. Anyone have any ideas let me know.
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Thanks Ladee, the cat is still allowed to roam free. It loves being out. Its still a little hyper but my nerves are so much better since I don't have to chase it to put it up.
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Pegd yes this place is a lifesaver. Have come her many times when I have just been at the end of my rope, just having people care makes a big diff. You seem very sweet.
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Good Morning Posse!

Up early again and this time just because I can't sleep. Went to bed way too early last night I guess.

After talking with the col last night Target says this is probably the beginning of her downward decline. I agree, but then again she is one tough little bird.......but this lady I look at isn't the same one from a month ago.
ASG....no, I probably didn't write a timeline to where you could see her decline. Target and I took at week at the end of Sept and went down to Tunica, Ms. Had all the girls with the col around the clock. We noticed the day we got home that her mental status had declined in the short time we had been gone. And we were gone only 4 days. She started walking stooped over, holding onto every surface for balance, as well as hanging onto someone's arm. We bought her a cane which she refused to use, bought a walker which she had to be reminded constantly to use and still can't use correctly, bought a lift chair to help her get up and down and she would still forget it was sitting there and go flop down on the couch. All of her meals were being prepared for her, but she would still go into the kitchen and make a bowl of instant oatmeal and sometimes would have up to 3 bowls sitting in the fridge. She had to be helped in the bathroom constantly. When the girls weren't here.....4pm until 10pm bedtime and Friday 4p until Monday morning at 10am.....one of us had to be downstairs with her or constantly monitoring her on the camera. The diaper and bathroom fell to me...whenever we looked away from the camera she would disappear only to be found in the bathroom, covered in pingo, all over her hands, clothes, every surface she touched. And throughout all this she constantly harangued us to take her out to shop, to eat, told us to give her the car keys she can drive herself. I don't know how many times she would almost fall, with me grabbing for whatever I could get my hands on to keep from going too and still hang onto her. She didn't recognize that her dog needed care and would stand and look at him while he's begging to go out. She had no mental stimulation, she refused anything that we offered her, other than the tv and I finally locked out the news channels because all she was watching were the shows where they reported children being abused in some manner and I noticed a trend that when she watched that her mood changed drastically. We were in the process of just calling around to the various homes looking at current monthly prices and making arrangements for around the clock care here, when she decided to fight her way out her locked front door and the marble topped table won the fight. I took some time to run my dogs outside and she took that opportunity to try and elope and I found her sitting on the floor with her face banged up. Target made the decision right then to place her, so that's what we did. The other day I saw that Carol had written a terrific article about promising a parent you will never put them in a home, and then having to break that promise. It was on the right side of the page under Community Activity. I read it and I think it bears reading by a lot of people, especially those who might deal with the guilt. One year ago on Christmas Eve my mother went into the hospital with pneumonia and left us on the 29th..........and now the col also went on a Friday with pneumonia..........I have been dealing with this sense of dread even though I know my mother was a lot worse than the col.....maybe that's why I threw a fit because they weren't being aggressive enough from the NH and the doctor that was on call over the holiday for the group is an IDIOT!!!!!!! So that's the story of how the col and us got to where we are now. Oh and I lost 12lb during that time just running up and down the stairs.....of course a few meals were missed because I didn't have time to eat......but that's okay.

I will do a daily update after our visit today.

I hope everyone has a wonderful day.......check in when you can.

Happy Trails,
Jam
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I made it thru Thurs and Fri with only a few tears and had a good meal with Kathy and extended family. Glad to hear that others of you survived the Black shopping weekend. Got to fix hubby brunch. Will get to that story later............
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Jam, wow thatsa crazy. Just like that! I don't blame you at all for placing her. There is only so much we can do. I'm fortunate,so far that aunty has the ability to take care of bathroom habits so far. She also still has the ability to get up and down at night,altough after seeing her do it a couple weeks ago,I wonder how, and how long that will last. I will probably lose my mind if I have to get up at night as much as she does. I have told her if she needs help getting dressed to put on the warm robe we bought her and wait for me to get up and I will help her. She still insist on doing it herself every morning at 3 or 4 a.m. goes to her living room sets down and goes back to sleep till 7 Lol. I pray for her, and hou guys I know its not easy, I'm sure with everything you are dealing with your the loss of your own mother, a year ago, this can't all be easy. You seem like a tough bird yourself though.
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Good afternoon everyone, am trying to get the Grapes of Wrath wagon cleaned up and picked up, it will hereafter be referred to as the GOWW, Banana Split is just too nice a description, so maybe after I get some work done on it, we can rename it...
Haven't heard from some of ya'll all weekend, hope it is because you have been having fun with family and getting to relax... I have totally wasted this time off, but needed the break too...
Seeme, happy to hear you made it thru this first holiday... was thinking about you....
Ya'll please don't make me start singing, Pink Floyd's', IS ANYBODY OUT THERE... I can't carry a tune and the illegals next door may call the cops on ME for a change.... hugs and angels...
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Hope your holiday weekend is less stress and more fun today. Some days have been stressful, I have read, and others have been joyful. There is balance in life!
I am here with stress ... studying ... writing papers ... creating powerpoint presentations ... I just cannot wait for this semester to be over with!!!
Mom is my strongest supporter. She is always asking if I have school, am I doing homework, and asks if there is anything she can do for me to help. I just cannot ask for a better cheerleader ... even when it is almost hourly ... her heart speaks so strongly these days. I wish my Dad could see us getting along. We didn't fight per se but we always seemed to have opposing views on things and some of them trivial. I am thankful that we have this bond now, my mom and me, although it is because of her vulnerability and concern for her cognitive decline. And in my heart I see a woman who really, finally, sees me as a product of her: a very strong, loving woman.
I am also here with joy ... Mom and I went out last night for dinner and a couple of hours of gambling. That's her "happy place" and I know she will eat at the buffet (who wouldn't???) and relax by just pushing buttons and chatting with others. Once I put her on her "perch" (on the chair at her favorite machine) she can play for a couple of hours and zone out and I can take a break as well. The management knows her and when she can't get ahold of me (forgets how to use her cell phone lately) they come and find me using my card in the machine. Gosh, nothing is sacred!!! ha ha So it is a win-win for both of us. Last night she lost about $70 and I won about $114 so I was happy I won and she was happy she didn't lose "too much".
Today...more homework.
Next semester...not so many classes so not so much homework. Still deciding what courses to take; of course what courses are available depends upon the ever changing budget. We will see. Two more weeks now, then finals, then vacation ... sure need one.
Hope all is well with all of you. I jump on to read the posts, sometimes I don't respond but that doesn't mean I don't care. I laugh with you, I cry with you, I sigh with you, I pull my hair out in frustration with you ... I just don't always post. So those of you who are struggling, I pray for you. Those of you who had snippy siblings over this holiday, I empathize with you. Those of you who had a great time and got away for a while, I envy you. Those of you who truly saw the things to be thankful for ... I can relate. If you look for them, we will find them.
SDPeg
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Couldn't go to church today, just too sick. Just so many problems and no solution in sight. Listening to Joel Osteen while I type this, so maybe I need a new perspective.
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Hey ya'll well everything went fine last night with the company over. But boy was i tired last night. Thank the lord the sis in law and brother took connor for the night for us. Our company came over at 7 and left at 9:30 or so. Pam had to get back to her mom's to look after her. She is a caregiver also to her mom. Which has arthritis really bad and deal's with depression. She is on med's for both. Pam is also on depression med's. Our situation is so similiar. She has a older brother that doesn't help out much and it is basically her and her sister helping with her mom. They have been looking after her for a year now. We deal with the same thing about other family members not pulling their weight with helping with our elders. And our husbands all the time saying well when is so in so going to start helping some. And it's like she said i can't worry about when they are going to help all i can do is do what i can do for my mom now. And she is right. You can't make somebody do something they don't want to do. So it was good talking to someone that is in a similar situation. It felt kinda strange in a way i guess because. For the last 20 months my sister and brother have been the only ones that i have to about dad in person that is. She said no one knows how hard this is until they have been through it themselves. And that is the truth. We have both tried to get our husbands to understand that and i think they do to some degree but they just do not know the full extend of it. Been over here at dads since 1 got 4 in half more hours to go. It's the countdown. Love and hugs stormyyyyyyy
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The Caregiver....How am * I * doing today??

Well, pretty darn lousy. After 8 1/2 years of taking care of my grandmother - now 105.5 - with absolutely no help from anyone, she is now in the hospice wing and probably hours from death.

Don't have time to provide details now, as I am heading back to my depressing vigil in a few minutes. But I am almost certain that I could have given her a year or two more time if I hadn't agreed to the hospice care. However, it all comes down to quality of life.

She has been bedridden for at least the last 6 months, has poor hearing and vision, stopped looking at the paper altogether, has been tuning out early on our traditional 8 - 10 pm tv fare, etc. I just realized that I can no longer lift her from the bed to the wheelchair to the toilet anymore without risk of cracking a rib, or snapping some other bone. So it would have meant all meals in bed too, instead of the usual ride to our dinner table.

As of 1 week ago, she began exhibiting RAGING dementia, as opposed to her normal intermittent possibly-explainable-by-general-nastiness type. We're talking horses in the room, asking what time decades-gone relatives left our house today, and stuff like that.

Anyway, gotta go, but it really sucks because I know I could have done better than just morphine/starvation/dehydration. But even if I am right, would it be sensible for me to completely lose 24/7 more of my life for another 2 years, and go deeper into debt just to gain 2 years of ultra-low quality of life for her? Not one person I've spoken with thinks so.

More on this later if anyone is interested.
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well callmelshmael....i thought same thing..mom 80 with alzheimers, stopped watching americas funniset ...wont open eyes stopped eatting for a week...got backed up went to er they pulled it but only after waiting for 4 hours..had to stand by the bathroom cuz has panic attacks round strangers so i got to stand by the bathrroom...4 days later after taking stool softners... backed upagain..felt sorry for her so at 11pm gave her a suppository,, felt the hard poop ball ...so jsut pulled it out.... will not do again....anyways brother in new mex. i am in ca. said cruel to call hospice and no feeding tube..i say wuts the point her mind is gone...she was miserable..scared..sleeping all day...why give her feeding tube..so if he wants to do that.. then i will take her to a medicare facility in new mex. and he can put her on feedign tube...cuz i know my mom wont want that... i have had her in my home for 2 half years... but she made a come back doc put her on amphetamine salt- she stays awake from 9 - 8pm eats... poops and watches tv...thank you lord for the new doctor!!!!!u know u got to do what u got to do.....im proud of you for doing it for so long.... keep ur head up
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Yes, CMI, I am interested... please come back and let us know how YOU are doing... and yes, the hard question, quality vs. quantity... sounds as tho you have made the right choice...and the 'starvation/dehydration' is simply what her body is doing getting ready for the next stage... Hospice is simply making her comfortable... it is hard to watch... but I believe she knows you are there... When hospice was called in for Ruth, I stayed by side at night, just talking to her... made arrangements for her grandson who was overseas to call her, the only time she opened her eyes is when she heard his voice on the phone....I am sorry you are having to go thru this, but you are doing the right thing... it is hard to have this responsibility, but you are doing what love is all about..... hugs and angels to help you thru this next part.... please come back and share.
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CallMe..........of course we are interested and will leave the lights on for you when you are able to come back and visit with us. We will be here to walk this journey with you.....no one should have to do this alone and I'm glad you took the time to find us. You are now facing what I will probably be facing soon and I am going to be doing the same thing. Who knows for certain if keeping Grandma at home would have made a difference, however small, the outcome would have been the same. This way, at least, you are able to be with her, with your physical and mental well-being intact. I think there comes a time when even though our loved one is medicated so deeply to take away the pain, that God steps in and eases the process they are going through. And the care you have given for over 8 years added to Grandma's life. I've sent a prayer to you and angels to watch over Grandma...............

Hugs,
Jam
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Callmeishmael, you have taken care for years and years of a lady who now is 103 years old. What else did you want to do? I think you must be very proud of yourself and feel absolutely no guilt whatsoever. My mother is "only" 85 but the Alzheimer has savaged her life so much that I don't like the idea she lasts much longer. Death is natural. I believe that "at the other side" my father and her parents and her siblings who died before her are waiting for her. Of course I can't be sure of that but I believe it. And I wouldn't like her to suffer for a long time. I think the same thing about myself. I'd rather my life ended before getting the Alzheimer disease, even if I had to live few more years from now. This disease is terrible...
I am sorry if I sound cynic, but I live in the same situation... Rossella-Achab
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I agree with what others have said to CallMe about the people we love. I prayed for God to take my Dad as he was in pain so much and suffering and his quality of life was minimal although he did had his full mental faculties. My mom on the other hand has always been a chronic complainer so the complaints go unheard even if she is in pain. She has no life threatening issues but her memories are fading and that's frustrating for her. I pray that God takes her so she isn't making herself crazy by wondering when she will be well again and have full control of her brain activities. Sad that we have to say those prayers but compassionate at the same time. I have thought about it as well Rossella and have had a conversation or two with two of my daughters about what to do when I no longer can think for myself. I told them I don't want them feeling this pain, guilt, etc so I am having a lucid conversation with them now. It would be unfair for me to impose myself upon them (loving daughters or not) when I may not even recognize them as my own kin. I hope they honor my wishes when the time comes.
SDPeg
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Hi all – sounds like everyone got through the weekend fairly well
Cmag – hope your son is recovering and you are from the neck thing. I wonder what will happen to mother if she out lives her capital. She used to live off the income of her investments, but in her new place she is using capital to cover her monthly costs. I think her plan is that my sister and I will support her, if her income runs out, but I cannot afford to do that, so my solution would be to find an affordable situation.
Jam –dogs do it because they can! I have done some grandchildren shopping and better get onto the rest of it. Hope the col is better. I have been reading several stories where people are between a rock and a hard place with their elders –and not only with elders – we had to make fast and difficult decisions with Gordie. The time of year must be a trigger for memories of your mum and now the col with pneumonia –(((((hugs)))) – let us know how she is
Ladee -RAIN!!!! -love the moist air –does Diva go out in it? GOWW sounds right to me
Asg – small town gossip - ugh!!! Glad you had a good Thanksgiving -yes auntie is doing some weird things -don’t doubt yourself
Seeme - ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) -the empty chair thing – know it well – these special occasions are hard. We lit a special candle…
Sdpeg – busy, busy time near the end of term – lots of pressure. Next term should be better and a vacation will be great – good luck with all the school work –good to have that discussion with your daughter
Brandy - hope you feel better soon – I am listening to Joel right this moment!
Stormy –glad it went well and you had someone to talk to who understands – that helps a lot – nice of sis to take lil red
Ishmael – love that name , had a student called Ishmael – 8 ½ yrs. is a very long time, and you are young, and your grandma is very old. 105.5 is a tribute to her and also to you. Quality vs. quantity is one of the big questions. Sounds like she needs more care than you could give her. Would it be sensible, considering the issues you mention? No, not at all. A little personal perspective - my youngest son was assaulted, age 23, and went into a coma from head injury. They did surgery to relieve pressure, but the damage was too great and in a bad place. He was on a ventilator and, after a couple of days, we had “THE discussion” - the one about pulling the plug. Their opinion was that even if he survived he would never be the same person, and would have very poor quality of life. We gave him to God, and they pulled the plug, and he went very peacefully. We all have a time, and we concluded that was his. Is it simple? In some ways, yes, it is. Is it easy? No. Please do come back and let us know how things are going. Thinking of you…
Beta – your mum made an amazing come-back!
Ros – agreed - guilt should not rear its ugly head and you are right, death is natural. Sometimes I think doctors prolong dying rather than prolonging living.
Everyone - let us know how you are.
Got above freezing here today – yay!!!!! Did a bit of cooking and floor cleaning – good enough. My basement renters are moving out at the end of the month and I am relieved. There will be some clean up, no doubt, and then space for storage and G’s activities, and I will reclaim the upstairs. Think I am getting a handle on my gut issues –had a light bulb turn on the other day. Delayed-reaction allergies as well as immediate ones. Something to work on! Have a good week everyone!
Love, hugs and prayers.♥♥♥
jo
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Ladee, Grapes of Wrath Waggon?? Bahahahaha, I love it, you should see what my hubby came up with, for less that 500, a travel trailer. But its big enough for us to all go camping in. Needs a whole lotta work, but is structualy(sp) sound. My dream is to be able to fix it up and go camping while the kids are little. Not sure if that will happen though. One can dream can't they:) Stormy, so glad you had a good time with your company. How nice that she has so much in common with you, and yes my dear this is one of the hardest things you will ever do.
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Call me ishmel, I had this big long thing wrote and boom, lost it. Anyways, I think you have made the right decision. 105 and outta her mind, bedridden, nope doubt she would wanna live that way. Hospice is a hard descision, but it is well worth the comfort they can provide. 81/2 years, you have done well. I always think my charge is old at 86, then I hear of all these 90+ 100+. I'm like wow. Bless you, nothing to feel guilty about, be happy for her long life, feel proud for what you provided her, and get your life back.
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Guilt free I mean.
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Brandy, Love joel, hubby lovess joel, he reads his books, his mother gave him a copy before she died. Hubby had been in conflict with himself about his religion for years. Had somthing to do with a realitive preacher being so negative and scaring it out of him. Joel brought positve back to him. I really think it has changed his life. I was never a big fan of t.v. evangilist, but he has a pwerful message.
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