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And I'm so sorry to interupt, the intelligent deep converstion you guys were having with some dumb $#i+(my post about taking her to the gym). I got on here so I could read the other responses to jams question, all that just kinda spilled out. My quick awnser. NO its not worth it unless its temporary, or there is just no other way. NO you should never ever feel guilty(who said you have to be elbow deep in pingo to be an effective cargiver) sometimes the BEST you can be as a cargiver is a well rested, un burnt out one. Do I or will I follow my own advice? NO probably not. Of coarse I fall into the catagory of I have no choice.
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Hey gang, all is quiet here mom took her pills and is relaxing.
AIG I hope Auntie is feeling better soon and that you get some answers. That is why I so love moms doc. He lets me know everything and will come to the hospital when moms there. Or he will even call the house.
Jo I hope You feel better one of my friends has Fibro.... its hard for her sometimes.
Peg, I am so there for you darlin. I so agree.. when I am asked why I do it. All the time by some of my friends I went to college with and some high school. (well the high school arent friends just close aquaitances) I tell them cause I love her and I want to. One friend who is no longer a friend I am not talking to anymore. Complained I had no life, that I should just dump her in a NH and get on with my life. Well lets just say some choice words were said and we no longer speak. We all have our reasons for doing this and we are all different. There is no set reason they are all different and some people just don't understand or don't want to.
Ladeeda you are soooooooo ...better off without that sister in your life. I wish I could do the same with my sister and my idiot brother. Yet I can't.
Ish, yes I can see why you are very upset with Hospice. I am not too fond of them around here in this area either. Not after losing my sister in law in 09. I also don't like our pastor from our church for the same reason Sending soothing thoughts and prayers to you love... my shoudler is here if you need to rest it. You did a good job you did the best you could.
Lindy, mom sometimes has those two. I would have her checked for anxiety depression. They put mom on paxil for it She does a LOT better with it. Not so many of them now and not so aggressive with the grandkids.
Mamasfriend, there is not a lot I can say to that. Most I can say is take a step back take a deep breath. She's probably frustrated that she don't remember or can't do something. Its hard for them as they age more and more to lose their independence. My mom is a stubborn ole woman … and when she finally had to give up her independence it was a hard battle between me and her. She would say I am standing up but I'd be the one HOLDING her up. We still have those days.
LOL Jam yes I am busy making ornaments and mugs and other stuff lol. How is the COL …. crazy as ever? Hope you are doing okay during this season.
Seeme sweetie, I am thinking of you. Hugs and warm fuzzy thoughts for you sending to you.
Started the holiday decorating oy …. still doing that and handling other things. No phone calls coming from brother (like there's a suprise NOT) I know he only did the whoel calling thing to make him look good. Mom don't care she told me today well lets see he did the whole call me on thanksgiving said he'd all this weekend but didn't. Why am I NOT surprised. I just hugged her and told her I loved her. Going to the mall with sister on Saturday going to the tree lighting tomorrow if its not too cold. Got my catalog back on website http://lilacorn.net/mysticglen/mysticglendesignscatalog2.html its flash so … much better than the PDF lol. Still fighting with the penison people and have to go to another meeting with others. Working my tail off cleaning house and PINGO dishes and laundry. Having no breaks lately what with mom calling me ALL the time. Sit her up pad her with pillows go back to what I was doing again calling and set her up. Very frustrating. She's doing okay just wants my attention all the time like it was when my sis was here. But I can't do it all the time cause I have a hosue to clean and work to do. I had enough today and put her in her wheelchair (thankfully no sliding) set her in the kitchen next to the computer room I am in and she could see me. She was fine. And I got stuff done.
Had to babysit tonight boy I do NOT like my nieces new upstairs neighbors had to call the cops cause they wold NOT shut off the music or turn it down. Even went upstairs to ask them politly hearing loud blaring swear laden rap music did NOT bolster this girly's courage. Espically not with all the shootings and crap thats been going on in our city lately. I asked politely knocked and even talked loudly over the music but nothing. So had to call the police they dealt with it but boy my legs were shaking giong up the stairs. Now sitting down at the computer relaxing mom relaxing and chilling out. Going to hang out with sis saturday actually looking forward to it. Miss other sis though I just talked to her on the phone. Oh well have to have another get together soon. Oh yeah and have a cookie making date with all the nieces and nephews this month OH JOY LOL
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ASG: I cannot remember laughing so hard or so long in such a long time. Thank you so much for your post. I saw everything you wrote: walker on treadmill was my favorite ... actually it ALL was my favorite!!! I have to print that and carry it with me when I need a good belly laugh. I haven't read any other posts but I am sure others have released some stress laughing with you as well. You are a gem!!! SDPeg (Now onto the other posts)
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ASG, Nothing you say is dumb, you are funny girl when others get on your last nerve... funny how others are full of advice and suggestions but no real help. And you will continue to take great care of Auntie, and grit your teeth, and keep on keepin on... love and hugs to you...
Jam, hope the dentist visit isn't too painful for you today, will be thinking of you...if we don't hear from you we'll know you are taking it easy...
Shawna hope you sell lots of your ornaments this next few weeks....have you tried taking some of your things to local stores??? I know here in our little town if you take handmade things into the corner groceries, they will somtimes display and sell your things... never know...
We have major rain coming today, and I have no idea where my umbrella is....haven't had to use it in so long.... looking forward to this weekend of being off and reading and sleeping in this rainy weather...
hugs and angels to everyone this morning.... love
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Good morning. Winding down the semester. Mom knows I am in study groups in order to ace the finals so I have been out later these nights and will continue to be so until mid December so she goes to bed before I get home. With that being said, she and I haven't spoken much these days. But today is our day and I run my own personal errands while she is at the hair salon and then we have a little lunch at one of the local places here and then we stroll through a little store that has become our Friday routine.
The caregiver took her to the senior center on Wednesday. He said they had a good time and she ate well. He is great for trying new things with her and she is happy to oblige him. A different person is always good.
I emailed her doc for more information on what is covered on her insurance regarding home health care nurses for her personal grooming, bathing, etc but have not heard back yet. I am glad for that because when she takes her time it reflects it is not urgent. (Maybe other docs have their reasons but I know and respect her so for her it just means it is not urgent and perhaps we will talk about it at the Jan appt). It would be good to have someone bathe and groom her as often per week as allowed but insurance does not cover it then it will have to be out of pocket. I have enough on my plate that adding more care for her is not something that will easily happen. Extra help is nice to have.
On Saturday a caregiver will take her to church while I study for one class. Sunday we are going to a Wizard of Oz performance my granddaughters are in. When I showed Mom the tickets she said it will be nice to go. With the Paxil she is taking her mood is lighter and she complains less than she did for most of my life. I read someone's loved one is also on Paxil and experiencing the same positive results. I know it felt like an eternity to have the med kick in and many of you suggested I be patient and I appreciated that suggestion.
I value the advice and suggestions of others so please continue to do so. There are many things I do not know and would know even think of that others posts. And like my sister always says "I'm not tell you what to do, I am only offering a suggestion" is what I read in people's posts. I like her approach.
I had a rough patch this week in school. I presented on an article and the info in the article was less than flattering for a population of people. Natives of that population present in that class were offended and we had a forum of all classmates to discuss cultural sensitivity. I appreciated the info but felt like they were shooting the messenger because they didn't like the message. This brings me to this group. I know I have said this many times before but I believe it bears repeating (at least for me it does): I appreciate the soft place to land after a hard day with the people in this group. This group is very cohesive in that we come from such diverse backgrounds and yet when I am in this site I know we are all kindred souls. Where our people come from, what languages we speaks, what religions we believe, who we voted for political officials, what we eat or don't eat, etc etc etc are all shared and respected. You all are my breath of fresh air.
So while I muddle through and study my brains out during the next two weeks know that you are part of my life in such a positive way and I thank God for you every day. Your humorous jokes, your poignant stories, your ideas that could make ones life better, the common ground of frustration, joy, anger, happiness, and everyday crap (literally many times) keeps me going. Thank you for your loving posts filled with your life's experiences that enable me to go through my life experiences with your support. I appreciate you. SDPeg
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I just want to share my story of "the Rose" today. Bummed as I am this season, my mom can still make me laugh..........

My sisters, Kathy and hubby were at the hospice center when the funeral home came to pick up her body. The representative handed me a red rose (which is entwined into their logo). I barely remember as we were all still crying. One sister we call Debbie "Martha" grabbed it from me and then decided to give it to my hubby. She told him to hang it upside down to dry and the color would not fade. Unbeknownst to me, that is exactly what he did, and it had been hanging in his shop upside down until the Friday after Thanksgiving. He saw me shed a few tears on Thanksgiving, so he got up early and went into his shop to get the rose. I was still lying in bed and he quietly came in the room and reminded me of it. He pulled it from behind his back.....and it was GORGEOUS!! The color had not faded ONE LITTLE BIT. The leaves were not brown or even wilted and the rose was still in a barely opened bud!! I know I smiled, and he brought it closer for me to sniff, but I didn't smell anything, so I reached out one finger to touch the bud...........and it was SILK...............he tried to dry a plastic flower!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!! We laughed so hard...........neither of us saw it clearly at the time we got it cause of the tears.....he had his glasses on when he brought it in........I had mine off when I tried to smell it, which is the best way I see up close..............OR it was real originally and Mom played a joke on us........I remember her driving me crazy when she kept saying she had an artificial tree that kept growing toward a window when she meant to say "ornamental".............HAHAHAHAHA Now that rose is prominently displayed on my Christmas tree.................
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thinking of you this morning jam and hoping the dentist goes well
asg - that's funny, girl - to heck with the relatives - what do they know. Thanks for the reassurance about Gordie -we knew what we had to do - hope auntie is on the mend
ishmael - know you are in the midst of making arrangements- and dealing with the feelings - let us know how everything is going and how you are - think you will need some down time - many of us will be happy to comment on sis I think and hospice
sdpeg - good luck with the end of term and also with convincing your sibs about your mum - just adds to the load doesn't -it is good to remember that we do make choices. Glad the paxil is helping. I think my mum would benefit but she won't take anything like that.Cultural sensitivity - difficult. I carry treaty card and understand some of the issues from the native side.
shawna - sounds like you are doing very well - hope Christmas sales are good -fibro is better these days
seeme - this will be a tough season for you, but the puppies will help - 3 months after seems to be a hard time,then 6 months and especially 9 months (((((hugs))))
vic -thinking of you -how's dad?
bee - good to hear from you and glad you had some good family time -sibs again and denial!!! and extra work for you
cmag - hope you roof is fixed for good this time how frustrating!
barbsvineyard - you have sung the caregiver's song - exhausted, overwhenlmed, isolated, and unhelpful sibs -glad your mum still has her marbles. Seems sometimes for need for a change to be recognized something like a fall has to happen and in the meanwhile it is a waiting game - check back in and let us know how it is going
stormy - any results from the ct scan? hope you are feeling better
ladee - how is sonny? - that BP was pretty low -good post about you and your sibs - coming from a dysfunctional family changes quite a few things - my sib issues were there all along -from my earliest memories and mother pitted us one against the other -stilll tries to -it is the nature of the BPD -enjoy the rain
sherrie - holidays are stressful - have you found out anything about being paid as a caregiver?
ros - hope things are rolling along OK and no more money for the gov't for a while
mis - snow - yay!!! Ours was melting yesterday, but not for long - Hope your cold is better - tis the season...
lindy -does your mum have alz? or a stroke might account for crying - frustration too
mamasfriend - was your mum always like that? mine has had a temper all her life and you can't win with her Hope you get sometime away for yourself - it is so stressful. How long do you think you can do this?

milder weather here these days - meaning around freezing, but supposed to be dropping again in a week. Renters moving out -it is taking a while but happening. Planning a trip to Etown and will take mother out for a meal. Better to go early for a visit as last Christrmas she said everyone came at the same time and it was too much for her. G will come with me. Hopefully I will get a few other things done too. Had a great chat last night with a girlfriend of 40 + yrs who knows my family - hope to see her too.
Wishing everyone a good day! I am going to tackle going downtown again to Sears to pick up a parcel - 15 people in the lineup yesterday and the traffic getting bad so I left ;( and I will go earlier today. Starting to feel decent again and think the fibro is related to delated reaction food allergies -something else to work on
love. hugs and prayers♥♥♥
jo
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Oh seeme - that is lovely!! I have roses on my Christmas tree too - in memory of Gordie (((((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))))))
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This morning mom fell to the floor fall #4, nothing busted, had to get my husband to help me. This is not what I thought it would be like having her live with us, she was so much better last year. I now have come to realize that her legs are not dependable and I may have this happen over and over, and have to call for help. I spoke with her, and i think I am going to have her go to assisted living again, with a one on one aide, we will see how long the money will hold out for her. It is very expensive, but mom has long term care, and that should pay for a big chunk of it, the aide thing will be all on her. I hope the money will last for her, I will be there for her as always, but this is not working, and I do not want to be trapped here with a nurses aide all day, afraid to leave that something will happen.
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I support you in making the decision that is right for your situation. SDPeg
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Lyndy you can only so much honey. I support you too. She will be fine and well can for, probably have more help that way. You will worry yourself sick and they can put things in place to help keep her falls to a minimun.
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Lindy -you have my support. I think she will have more help there too, and you and your husband will have your lives back. You will still be involved with her care, but will have more time for yourselves. Let us know how it is going.
jo
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Wow, been on one hellova roller coster ride, was gonna get a nice couple of weeks respite, right before christmas,was so excited. Really really needed this break. Got her there saftly everything in order, then bam!!! It all blew up due to a well meaning(ahhem Bi=$%) who thought it was a good idea to let a homesick elderly person know that she could be in the comforts of her own home and get the help she needed with therapy if her family would only load her up and bring her every day!!!! Im soooo pissed off, angry. This isn't fair at all. I hope that little wentch sleeps good tonight with her family cause I will probably be staying up all night, taking a 2good person transfer to the bathroom every 2day hours. Im so so mad.
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I meant a 2 transfer fall risk.
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Oh asg, I am so sorry - you needed that break -it is like no one else and their needs count - wish u could have told her to MYOB. That sounds like too much for you to have on your plate
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The nursing staff is who told me what had happened, when she called me screaming it was time for her to come home. This is an absolute disaster. There was nothing anyone could do to make her stay. I spoke with the D.O.N. they were very upset about it.
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ASG, lord girl, can't you just tell Auntie the Dr. wants her there , that it is safer??? I feel so bad for you, and yes you did need the respite...I wish I was there to talk to the loud mouth relative that won't be there to help you...You are just too sweet Tina, glad it wasn't me, sweet I am NOT.... love ya lady. guess we'll be hearing from you more often now, and take care of your back.... others don't know how hard it is to do transfer when there needs to be two people doing it.... love ya, and yes, I'd be angry too.... hugs and agels to you....
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Oh my! ASG I am so sorry.
I love you all, I have to work.... No Xmas respite for me either! I have a hell of a movie to translate. As soon as I have finished I will write some more.
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CMI, hope you come back and let us know how you are and tell us how you are feeling about hospice... know this is a very hard time for you, but we do care how you are, so just know that thoughts and prayers are being sent your way....
ASG... I am so sorry things got so crazy for you with Auntie... i know you were looking forward to time with the kids. and it is going to be so hard on you physically. will hubby be around to help you with her???? love and hugs to you
Ro, sounds like you have some tense work ahead.... are you ok otherwise???
Seeme , hope you are doing as well as you can, the holidays will be over soon, and hopefully some light at the end of the tunnel for you....
emjo, are you staying warm, how are all the aches and pains..hope G gets to be home some so you two can spend some time together????
hugs and love to ya'll today... gonna be rainy(thank God) and getting a little colder here, so just a day to be a bum.... hugs and angels...
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Good Morning Posse!
Just a short note to let everyone know I'm alive and barely kicking...........ahhhhhhh gotta love pain medication. 4 teeth extracted yesterday morning....instead of an hour it took 2. I don't numb well on the bottom and wouldn't you know that's where they all were. I'm trying to catch up on my email so will probably have more to say later....but will nap first I think. My thoughts are with all of you today....I worry about my "chicks"!

Happy Trails,
Jam
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Jam, Take care mother hen! :)
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Thank you CMag........time for another nap.....:)
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take it easy, jam - all that had to be stressful and you will heal better! :)
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How am I doing? ARRRRRGH !!!!!!! (Read my latest question about 'not being old enough....)
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Hi Jam and to those that answered and to those that will read this.............It is unusual to be asked 'how we the carer are getting on?'. Isn't it sad to know that the carer is usually the one to suffer more and yet there is support outside in the community, but is it enough? I have just started to go to a support group and although the people are nice, I find myself listening to their sad stories and cannot off load mine. I have even started to receive counselling, but I don't benefit from this. I asked myself 'what would help me'? and to this day I still don't know.
Well actually I do, and that would be for everything to be normal. My Mum is in a Nursing Home which I can't accept as I always feel guilty that she will one day die there, but I know I can't have her live with me as she cannot walk and has dementia, which means that I would have to hoist her every 20 minutes to the toilet as she request it that often and basically do everything for her, I would not be able to go out at all and have no time for my husband, daughters and grandaughter and at the age of 49 I feel I can't do this. On top of this my Dad is in hospital and has been for the past 3 months, he is not really ill, but the hospital is now arranging for him to go into a home. So I take my Mum to see him and it is awful. I think Dad has the start of Dementia and can barely walk now. They are both very negative when they speak and I feel like I am going to faint at times with the stress of it all. I feel that I eat, sleep and breathe problems from my parents. My dad has always been so selfish and Mum has let him be the boss, so I do feel resentful knowing I have to do so much and received so little from them. I never got a wedding present from them or a meal once I married. They always came to my house for dinner and be fussed over. My other sisters and brothers don't really bother or care about them as they say they weren't there for them. You did ask how are we getting on and perhaps my answer explains why other people don't want to know how we are because the answer is long, boring and something that they have not got time for. Sorry to burden you readers with this, but I needed to off load my clogged up head to make room for more emotional upset tomorrow. Onwards and upwards!
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(((((((hugs)))))) wanna - if your my has NPD and maybe MPD and dementia I don't suppose you can convince her of much - after all, she knows it all. My mum has BPD with a big dose of narcissism and I don't know anything - never did, never will, She has even taken my advice in the past and then told me I was no help to her. I have also had the story about her being older than me - yes mother and you always will be! It doesn't mean I don't know anything. I still don't know how to negotiate things with her - they don't want to negotiate - they want to be in control. It all all about control and being the center of attention. And she does not have any dementia. A few times I have taken a hard line and got my point across - it was simply - no I won't do that. Of course that makes me the rotten daughter, but I am that most of the time anyway so whatever! There is a bottomless pit of neediness that can never be filled. Narcissists need attention -called narcissistic supply (NS) -and will go to great lengths to get it. They are extremely frustrating to deal with - not to speak of the hurt and wasted energy. Can you talk to her doctor or other professionals about her safety? Document time and place and incident. When you have accumulated enough they should listen to you and the decision may not be in your mum's hands any more. I presume the previous diagnosis was documented. I do think you have to rely on others as your mum will not become more reasonable as time passes. In the meantime be on the look out when you go for a walk! (((((hugs)))) come back and let us know how it is going
jo
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((((((((marianne))))))) - unload all you like - that is why we are here, Sounds like you have a very difficult situation and some pretty self centered parents. Not a meal?- oh my goodness, if I counted the meals I gave my adult kids and their sig others.... If I were you I would limit contact to give yourself a break. I have to do that with my mum - see post above - who has a personality disorder. It is just too stressful and she is on an ALF and basically fine though she wants me busy each day "doing" things for her, I live in another city (her choice to move to where she did) so it is easier in some ways to get emotional distance. My mother is extremely negative and critical and i can't stand much of it - she always has been. Dear one, you have to protect yourself. Take the time you need for yourself - to do the things you want to with your family and for yourself. Sounds like they are safe where they are - and let go of the guilt. You don't deserve it. Some parents use fear, obligation and guilt to manipulate their children (FOG - thanks cmag). None of these are good to have around. Sounds like your sibs are about as helpful as many - NOT! First of all love and take care of yourself and let some of that other stuff go - not easy, I know but doable. (((((((hugs))))) come back and vent again - it helps
jo
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after all the heavies here is a little fun -

CHRISTMAS CAROLS FOR THE DISTURBED

1. Schizophrenia --- Do You Hear What I Hear?
2. Multiple Personality Disorder --- We Three Kings Disoriented Are
3. Dementia --- I Think I'll be Home for Christmas
4. Narcissistic --- Hark the Herald Angels Sing About Me
5. Manic --- Deck the Halls and Walls and House and Lawn and Streets and Stores and Office and Town and Cars and Buses and Trucks and... Trees and.....
6. Paranoid --- Santa Claus is Coming to Town to Get Me
7. Borderline Personality Disorder --- Thoughts of Roasting on an Open Fire
8. Personality Disorder --- You Better Watch Out, I'm Gonna Cry, I'm Gonna Pout, Maybe I'll Tell You Why
9. Attention Deficit Disorder --- Silent night, Holy oooh look at the Froggy - can I have a chocolate, why is France so far away?
10. Obsessive Compulsive Disorder --- Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells
11. Passive /Agressive - On the First Day of Christmas My True Love Gave to Me (and then took it all away)
12. Depression - Silent anhedonia, Holy anhedonia. All is calm, All is pretty lonely.
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Evening everyone, I just got back from the ER, Tachycardia, I hate hate hate the shot they have to give me to stop my heart, anyway, hours later, I am back home... am very tired... will check in with everyone tomorrow and get caught up, am just going to go to bed and cry, another damned bill to figure out how to pay..... love , hugs and angels to ya'll.
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((((((((((((ladee)))))))))))) -has this happened before???? I had it when my thyroid was off - with you losing weight maybe yours is off. Depending on the doctor they may not recognize it and the old norms for lab values are not good enough and some use the old values. I lost weight too and had racing heart.
huge (((((((((((hugs))))))) you don't need this!!!1
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