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Sure, but please keep it anonymous. Lots of those folks are on Facebook.
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Thank you and yes I will keep it anonymous. Thanks for what you wrote. And thanks for your permission. And you are right; LOTS of those folks are on FB ... amen to that!
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I especially love the ones in the family who update their walls from urgent care centers as to how bad they feel and how wonderful their husbands are. Maybe their husbands really are like that, but I think if you have to constantly talk about that, you're trying just as hard to convince yourself as much as you are everyone else.

When I was on Facebook, I received an invitation to my niece's trial, so that kind of did it for me. Trials on felony charges aren't a social occasion to me and the fact that she was treating it as such just made me feel sick inside.
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My "family", in the true sense of the word, disappeared when my father died. What is left is trouble with a capital T.
I understand the not unpacking, maya. Why would you stay there? And your mum's health is not great. You certainly have a place of honour on the dysfun family thread in my view - come to think of it, I think most of us do
Seeme - know you are still feeling the hurt of losing ur mum - it doesn't go away fast and grief is very physical - you get tired and ur resistance drops. I think you sneezed your bug all the way up here. G and I have had it over 2 weeks now, the young lad who sold me the freezer has had it 2 weeks, seems to be getting worse again right now, but no infection thankfully - just ordinary misery. We have had some milder days too - above freezing today and I have to transfer the meat to the new freezer.
Starri thinking of you as the 13th approaches. In my experience of grieving (which is extensive) the days/weeks before hand are the worst. Have you planned anything for the day? That usually helps - something to help you think/feel about your mum. I think the guys come with the cooking genes/experience or they don't. All of my guys can cook (children, exs and sig other), in fact my middle son is the chef in his household.
ladee -any new rocks? glad u have this time off and know you could use a year or two. r u cleaning yet? I got a load of laundry on for starters but don't intend to do much more till I am more over this bug. Hope ur leg is better with the rest. Still waiting for some blether back! lol
sdpeg - your sis is experiencing mutliple loss -we had 20 deaths on 5 years -friends and family and that was before my youngest son died - no fun. Glad you have one another. My sis told me I was grieving wrong after my son died - like what does she know?
notlike - I believe that there is something about the crabby living on while their nice caregivers die young. Strangely enough that was the topic of a reading exercise in an English class I taught, and there was research to back it up. While I will do what is necessary, I am not prepared to self-sacrifice. The only way I have achieved some peace is by detaching. I will write on that in the dysfun fam thread later. My head still feels like cotton wool right now. Good for you for letting the relatives know about your mum - when it comes down to it -what can she do except yell and you can walk away from that. It becomes a matter of expecting the bad behaviour and planning how to deal with it. - let the inner adult deal with it as the inner child is still hurting and fearful. She needs a hug.
brandy - I am with you and notlike - to h*** with the secrets- let the air in and clear out the cobwebs - if u can't face your life then do something about it - other than hiding it. I like my cards on the table where I can see them (with my glasses on)and others can too - woohoo for being functional - and also for not walking on eggshells!
starri I got heck for telling things as I saw them as a child too, but they never knocked it out of me
cmag -sorry about ur aunt. Sounds like your uncle needs help badly -glad the social worker is stepping in
vic - I could use some rain instead of snow. Hope mum and dad and YOU have a good morning - church or not
jam -u r quiet!
did someone mention lazy - I seem to major in that since I retired - need to get the guys in to shampoo the basement carpet -so what does G do - move some of his stuff into the area which needs shampooing - like put it in the closet, already! He will before he goes away on business!
maya this part of what you just wrote describes my sis " you have to be perfect and have a perfect life before someone can love you, so their lies and illusions are justified in order for them to have what they desire", and she is incapable of facing that it isn't working.Her b'friend has multiple g'friends (openly) the daughter and sil she lives with are alcoholics and she is estranged from her son, and his wife, and her only grandchild who are, as far as I can see, nice, normal people. Oooops, I just aired some dirty laundry in public. Oh well!
carol -hope things are coming together for your mum in terms of treatment and placement, and you have peace of mind about it
mis - thinking of you - hard days right now ((((((hugs)))))
ros - hope ur getting some rest but also enough work. Did that flu knock your mum don;lt a notch or two? Hope Dorothy is fitting in as well as you hoped.
to everyone
love, hugs and prayers ♥♥♥
jo
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ros that's "down" a notch or two - she seems very quiet
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Emjo, after you viewed the link I sent you, I think you can understand even more just how ridiculous the underwear scandal is in the midst of all of their insanity, can't you? Ironic that my underwear is the subject of such talk when the real story is ever so much more juicy, isn't it?
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I'm hitting the hard stuff this afternoon --- my second bag of gummi bears.
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hahaha - the hard stuff!!!
the underwear scandal is absolutely ridiculous - and hypocritical.
when I was 23, my mother and sister chased me across the Ontario countryside thinking I was "doing it" with the guy who was the best man at her wedding. I don't know what they would have done if they had found us. We were in a farmhouse - separete bedrooms -we were just friends - and I had a badly infected throat and fever or we would have been home the day earlier. I got home and no one there - then hours later they turned up, and my mother ripped up one side of me and down the other - for what??? and banned the guy from the house forever. Soap opera!!! They did not listen to my side of the story, but preferred to act on their overly vivid imaginations. Why, Lord, why?
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Around here, their imaginations take them down roads of speculation that never even come close to the truth. I guess that they think if they can spread the manure around about me, no one will even think to ask about what they're doing. Uh huh...

Emjo, I can think of a much juicier scandal in this family than my underwear. The funniest part is that the person involved and the immediate family think that no one has noticed what she's doing and how often the other party is down "visiting". And since the cousin lives literally surrounded by immediate and extended family, she's kind of out of luck on that ever being the reality. Even her dad knew what was going on long before he died.
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I have a neighbor who is total dysfunctional and likes to give me * advice on how to do things when she can't stop her own self destructive behavior. I was able to take a shower and post a no visitor type deal on my fb because personally I do not want visitors unless they are willing to help me or provide some fun for the children not just using my family to gain something. My husband is doing alot better today so far...breathing seems good but he is a tad sleepy. On the 12th of this month he seeing the cardiologist...then i MUST schedule his other appts and find sitters for the kids and its not my neighbor if i can help it...do not trust her and omg just sorry for everyone losing so many loved ones last yr and this yr...we all think we can hold on to them a moment longer and then they are gone...yet we can never escape that loss I have to decide but got some time what I am gonna do for my grandmonther's memory of her passing on the 18th of november. I got to take out the trash ....wish i had a flyswatter got a fly attracted to me big time so annoying...
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Ok ya'll i need tips on puppy potty training. Lily has had a couple of accidents on the floor and hubby is tripping out. Says that she is going out on the gargage to live if she has another accident. Got any tips on how to get her into a routine. She goes good outside, but she still has had the accidents. Love and hugs stormyyyy
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A bit of info i found out on fb. last nite and like to have had a heartattack. If i offend anybody by saying this it is not intended for you just my neice. SHE PUT UP 17 CHRISTMAS TREES THIS YEAR, WHO IN THE HELL NEEDS 17 CHRISTMAS TREES UP? She sure as hell doesn't. Man me and sis just keep hearing more stuff and the madder we get. Our other neice(her sister) told us that something is up cause she is paranoid as hell. She even asked her sister if aunt debbie had said anything to her about money getting missing at the store. To me that is showing her guilt right there. I'd like to see what all she has in that house of hers. Ya'll would probably have to carry me to the ER for a massive heartattack. Well better go check on dad, boy it's going to be a long day over here my 8 hour day today...... Hurry up 8 o clock...... Love and hugs stormyy
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Oh my!!!! I think it does show her guilt and pray she come forward with the truth. What does your hubby say about it. He is a policeman right? Not sure if you have to train him or the pup or both. Pups make mistakes and you clean up after them, Is she paper trained in the house? There are some pads or suchlike that they will tend to go on. available from a pet store probably. I haven't trained a dog in years -someone else here must be closer to it than me. Good luck with the pup and your niece.
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Stormy, 17 Christmas trees? That girl definitely has some issues. She probably is mythomaniac. And if she is, she sees nothing wrong in satisfying her needs whatever it takes...
Jo I am very happy about the new dog, who is completely different from Nicky (and I am happy she is different from Nicky). Nicky had not been abandoned, so she was not "street smart": Dorothy has been abandoned A LOT, so she knows all the tricks and the ruses to do what she wants to do, she tries to con you, she pretends she has not heard... She has an innocent face... But she is very strong inside. When I call her and she doesn't come and so I change my voice and I sound harsher, she comes right away crawling and she looks at me with pleading eyes "Please, don't punish me!" But I know she is acting... She is not afraid of me at all... She pretends she is as pure as a lily! She makes me laugh. Very very smart. She is much smaller in size than the other 3 dogs, but she has already learned how to handle them too... If you live "a lot" with animals you are amazed about what they do! My cats are slowly going back to their normal life after Heathcliff's departure and I am so sad I haven't understood before how dangerous he was. Really a bad mistake on my side and the price of this mistake was very high. One never stops learning, really.
My mother has completely recovered from her flu and she is as rompiballe (you know this word!) as before....
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Maya dear, I am sorry you got stuck with "shit" for brains siblings as well, I'm here in CA, have a brother down in Norwalk, and I truly don't want to see him, but will make the offer to meet up for dinner, I'll do the polite thing..lol.. he's the one that I had it out with during mom's illness, him trying to tell me how to take care of her, when he thought it would be time for him to come see her, etc.. While he didn't say it, his words certainly showed that he believed it was my job to care for mom under his instructions, it wasn't my "job" it was my joy, no matter how much she drove me nuts..lol.. and I certainly wasn't doing it under his instructions.. I've just turned 52, and he believed that he had the right to tell me that I should not take as long as a trip as what Glenn and I are, he said only maybe 2 months, I know what his reasoning was, even if he didn't say it out loud, We have two other brothers in SC, both in failing health, and he expects me to take care of them, which if I am needed there God will make sure I am there, not him. Maya you have a family of your own, "YOU" it doesn't have to be husbands, kids, boyfriends or girlfriends, your your own family. Your no ones servant. Step up my friend and don't let anyone put that "walk on me" sign on your back.
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ros, dorothy sounds like a dog of great character and know how to push your buttons. Glad the cats are relaxing since Heathcliff went. Agreed you never stop learning. One cousin stayed with me a while and wanted to bring his rottweiler here, and said he was well trained so I allowed it. One day that large dog took after my cat who climbed up high enough to get out of the way. My cousin said, "Oh he wasn't serious". I said, "He looked serious to me and the cat thinks he is serious and I can't take that chance, or live undere that strain, and also you called him to stop and he didn't so he is not that well trained." I could not have that dog in my house with my cat. He was a nice pet but not safe, Toonie and I felt better when he left, and he was confined to the basement till he did.
your mum is a pain in the***. eh, She sounds like she is back to normal. ,)
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Starri, I'm an August baby who is fifty-two as well. It's a great age to be!
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SDPeg-good luck on Friday. Angels to help you.
Starri-I could live with being disowned. It isn't a permanent condition, right? LOL Your propane cooking remined me of when we used to tent camp. Waited months for a backordered propane stove with an oven. Oven couldn't cook much, but the smell of pizza rolls in a tent campground made us lots of new friends! Hope you had a great nap.
Maya-Go ahead and talk! Reminds me of a song "If you want to sing out, sing out..." Glad the antibiotics are helping. Take it easy on the gummi bears! LOL Like I should talk - it seems to be my mission to finish all the leftover Christmas candy :)
Burned-with all you have going on, I'd send you a flyswatter if I could. Hugs.
Heard from Dad that Mom wasn't feeling well today. Asked her, which started a huge fight, but I'll keep that to the other thread. What concerns me is that it turned out to be that her nose was bleeding. She said it was because it's so dry. Well, (one) I'd love to know how much blood because it could be a chemo side effect and (two) even if it's not that, we have april air and I can turn it up if she needs it. I wonder if she will ever realize that she's compromizing her care and comfort by withholding from me?
No naps for me today. After yesterday's marathon, I figure I better stay up today so I can sleep tonight.
Take care everyone.
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Emjo- she will go to her grave with this one. My sister told our other neice,her sister and she is so mad at her. Sis wants to talk to her more but has not had a chance. So we might be hearing more news in a few days (for you soap opera lovers, Sdpeg).
Emjo- Yes, hubby is a policeman and he is poed about the whole situation. Thinks that with that money she got away with that we could have paid someone else to stay with dad and i could have been working at the store. He feels like she also stole from connor's education as that is part of our inheritance and that money could go to connor one day. On the pup issue. Hubby wants her to go outside to potty, no going inside, so we have not had any puppy pads down. I've just been carrying her outside every so often. Well i got to go rub cream on dads legs, better go for now. hugs stormyyy
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stormy, I'd take her out every hour. We had to do that with peanut. There is also a spray I can't remember the name of it but they are not suppose to potty in the same spot. I also got poochie bells that goes on the door handle and I taught Peanut to ring the bells when he had to go out.
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burned.....was that a regular fly or a fruit fly?
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Maya, I don't have any gummi bears, but I did put some cream chees on a piece of choclate cake and pretended it was a bagel... pretending DOES remove calories....
Stormy, take the furbaby out many many times a day... do you crate her at night???There are so many animal lovers on here we will all be furious with your hubby if that baby ends up in the garage.....not that he cares, I'm sure, but I wouldn't want all of us mad at anyone.... lol...
I guess I am just confused about all the things you are learning about your neice and still not pressing charges.... doesn't do any good to keep getting info that is going to upset you further if ya'll aren't going to do anything about it.... IMO....guess my question is what is it teaching Conner, tho he is not aware really, but he does hear ya'll talking..... that stealing is alright, because you don't want to upset anyone... the little guy is listening and watching, even when you think he isn't.....
Have very much enjoyed my days off, feel rested and ready to go again... but have one more glorious day....
Sure hope we get back on track here on the thread, am missing hearing about caregiving....
hugs and angels....
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stormy.....mis is correct.....Lily has a bladder about the size of a peanut. She needs to go outside every hour and especially after she drinks and eats. Praise her and tell her what a good girl she is. Besides the pee pads, they make a contraption that looks like grass and the pee collects under it in a tray....and also with the small breeds they can be litter box trained. It's an inconvenience to housebreak a dog, but you really don't want her banished to the garage....that's putting her in isolation and she won't be a pet anymore....just something to feed and water.
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Ro, I said your new baby has very soulful eyes... she is a smart girl, and more than anything she is making you laugh..... l love her for that just by itself....
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Haven't had a dog in awhile..but you do have to take them out many times not just pee and poo..but to exercise..
Can't begin to understand how much turmoil you and family are in! Others have said it better than me.

Fruit flies! ... I know some fruit flies! Oh yeah..some heathens too! Lol
Ro so glad Dorothy is keeping you busy..and xtra happy that your mom is well!
Dad has dr appt Tuesday..hope we get some answers..but most I hope he can get a little relief. Hate to see him suffering so..
Love you guys
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Vic....I thought dad was doing better....?????.....did you make it to church?
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Notlike: thanks. She is seriously going to need all the help she can get. This not eating is psychologically and emotionally damaging to me. But today I took off. I had roast and potatoes on a plate, instructions to put them in the microwave, push the button, enjoy. I went out by myself and then went to the grocery store and bought foods I like ... I like ... if she is not going to eat I am not spending my money on food for her. Period. I hope that does not sound harsh and maybe another day I could say it nicer...but not today. I start classes next week and have seriously NOT enjoyed much of this "vacation". I am taking off most of this coming week, going out by myself, not meeting friends or anything ... ME time before homework time starts up again. Mom is already in bed, has been sleeping all day. I know she still has her cold but this is more than a cold; one is lethargic/lifeless if one does not eat. period. Ok: I know many of you have asked me to be patient, and offered ideas to help her ... and I truly and honestly thank you for your suggestions, I am just so sad that she will not cooperate to enjoy her life and I feel helpless (not yet hopeless) that obviously there is nothing I can do to change this in her. I was reading the post about losing people both last and this year and honestly my first thought was: "my mom is next to go" and it honestly frickin' pains me to watch her kill herself. That's what I am saying at the appt on Friday...it is psychologically, emotionally etc damaging to have one daughter know about the decline in mental and physical health while brother gets "I"m fine" and believes it and sister, she means well, can only take so much because of her losses (as one of you have experienced as well so you know how she feels). I am the only one giving a damn here and the only one NOT on the health directive (I have seen it) and so my argument is how can those ON the health directive make an informed decision about her health if they honestly do not know what her health is???
I am ready to say ***screw*** this ***crap*** and tell doc to place her and I will go on with my life with less tears and frustration. I don't think I can handle much more. I know she has a neuro appt early Feb which will reveal some things and also I know you all know how I am feeling right now. A hug and a Kleenex would be nice to have right now.
Thanks for listening. I 'm not really seeking advice or wishing for a miracle ... I am desperately trying to "accept the things I cannot change" ... thanks for listening and the hugs I know many, if not all, of you are giving me. What more am I supposed to do? (that's kind of a rhetorical question as I know the answer is I have done all I can and cannot do much more with what I am working with-someone who no longer cares, for whatever reason(s) and I have to communicate all of this so she can get the help she obviously needs that she will not accept from me).
With gratitude for those that are reading this and praying for us.
SDPeg
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Seeme...the day started out pretty decent..as it wore on he could not follow instructions ..or seemed to understand. We made it to church.. Got take out..couldnt handle lunch out. He ate pretty well by himself. Got him to his recliner and he was watching the Giants kick butt..I noticed he was moving a lot..he usually tells me he has to pee while he is peeing..so we just go get changed but he has had fairly decent control of letting me know about bowels..today no such luck..don't think he ever realized he had gone. Even after I cleaned him up. I share whatever is ging on..is not simple! One day he seems pretty aware and alert and the next...well all kinds of things from it getting harder and harder to bathe and to eat. To Ignor I fed him so he could eat.
Just wonder if it is blood loss anemia and the combination of heart and kidneys going down..
Few weeks ago the hematologist did an erythpoitien test to see if kidneys are producing enough for red blood cells. Has been harder and harder for him to try and explain anything.
Oh well on a roll...sorry
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That sentence should have said...I aware whatever is going on...

Then it should have said..tonight I fed him..

Oh boy..should have proof read!! Hahahaha
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(((((vic)))) rooll away - hard to see this - am I right in that you are seeing a slow decline? and the docs aren;t sure what is going on? -but you see that it is happening
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