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Jenny soon you will have lots of support here and good new friends-this site saved my soul-I was not looking for it-it just popped up about 6 yrs ago when I was in the dark hole from caregiving-he died 4 and 1/2 yrs ago and I stayed on to help give support to others and to keep in touch with the many friends I had met here-come back often and vent-it helps.
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How long is it since your grandmother-in-law moved in, Jenny? I agree, it seems odd that your husband "got picked" for the job when you both have a young son to consider. Have you yourself looked after elders before?

Sorry! - not interrogating you, just wondering. Agree with everyone else how amazingly helpful this forum is, especially when you're fit to be tied from stress - it's almost a cliché, but it's the freedom of knowing that you're talking to people who really do understand how you feel. Just two or three months ago I was utterly miserable; AC has been a lifeline.
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Oh Jenny I hear you!! But why does she live with you and not one of her sons?
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braida - Thank you for your comments. We need to support each other on this site. Because really who do we have to talk to about what we are going through.
Smitty - Wow, that is a big decision to make although it sounds like your mom needs you, you have to think about yourself also. I wish you luck with your decision.
Hi everyone - I am doing pretty good. I am still crying when I have to tell people about mom. The greatest gift was being with mom when she passed but I can still see her face that moment when she stopped breathing. My brother has been great with all this, a little controlling but things need to be done. We will be selling the house. I have been pitching things for a few days. Mom did not get rid of anything. I guess it must have come from her living through the depression. Dad was the same. A woman who played bridge with my mom came by and brought spaghetti and meatballs and chicken gumbo. I know what I will have for dinner.
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So glad to have found some kindred souls.....Ok all here's the story. She moved in on Nov 1st. She was living alone in her own apartment and was calling me day and night with these paranoid schemes for the last six months. I would talk to her up to 3 hrs a day just to keep her company. (Gram is really my husbands grandmother) I called her youngest son which is her POA and told him that she needed help and shouldn't be alone. Long story short, her building reported her to protective services and her son says," I wish they would just commit her so I don' have to deal with her s#!T!" So then she ended up running away in the middle of the night and had someone call me to pick her up. She asked to live with us because she needed help. I could no longer watch her sons do what they were doing to her and would have never forgiven myself if she got hurt. We all thought she just was lonely and that she needed to be with people who care for her...nothing prepared us for the truth of which stage she was actually in. Her sons are emotional voids and refuse to give her ANY of their money for ANYTHING! One owns his own mountain and 3000sq ft house and her POA told me that (bragging) that he has 2 separate accounts each with 500k in them! THEY WONT EVEN GET HER HEARING AIDS!!! Since she has been with us, I can honestly say that she is at the end of mid stage ALZ/DEM she forgets what she said in the last 60 secs (looping conversation is constant), incontinence, jumbling words, hallucinating, fabricating, layering clothes, pacing the house all night, ranting, rummaging and angry and aggressive. She is PA Dutch and highly religious----calls me the devil. I HAVE THE PATIENCE OF JOBE...but this woman is making me loose it! I will say that we have just started her in daycare since the holidays and she is improving. I was one on one with her for 2 months straight and did not leave the house---worse than caring for a newborn baby! I worked with alz-dementia as a PCA and was wonderful at it---but that is a 9-5 job that you leave at the end of the day and other staff members to help you...in this case because I am closest to her I am the target for all of her anxiety and the only one there for her. The other night she refused her pills at night and I told my husband to give them to her. He said he watched her do it but when he turned his back she stuffed them in her bra! I was helping her into her nightgown and they came flying out! LOL---she said "I don't know HOW those got in there, I took them I SWEAR!--ten minutes later she apologized for being "Contrary"!! She makes me laugh AND want to punch myself in the face all at the same time :O) Her sons aside and everything I deal with as the middle man, I wanted to be her go-to girl. I felt that it was the most loving thing I could do---because I could do the right thing. Now I feel resentment coming in to my heart more and more. I ask myself all the time---was I really a good person to start with...and what kind of a person am I turning into?
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You're a good person who also has limits to what you can take.

Her sons won't pay for any respite care? Does she own her home? Can that be sold to pay YOU and other caregivers? Have you heard of a personal care agreement? That would mean that she would pay you something to care for her, and it would not prevent her from being eligible for Medicaid when her money is gone.

Have you contacted the local AAA - Area Agency on Aging? They have lots of resources and information on how to handle things. You might even find an Elder Law attorney there who can help you sue the no-good sons!
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JeenyGert - Who is POA for grandma? They are the one responsible for her care.

I take it that's it's your husband's youngest uncle? Did your husband's uncles not have a good relationship with their mother? Not trying to be snoopy, but I don't understand a son not trying to do his best to take care of his mother when they own a mountain and have a million dollars.

Sound like they could take care of grandma pretty well in a memory care situation. Is that what they mean by committing her? Words get scrambled communicating on the internet, and perhaps they just mean that. Are you feeling ambivalent about your husband placing her in a place she will be well taken care of?

I'm sorry this has all fallen upon you. All the tough stuff is in your court. YOU are the one that has had to look in the mirror and question YOUR goodness. Darling, it's NOT you that is behaving badly by a long shot! You are a GOOD person taking this on - please never doubt that again.

I pray for your strength in the days ahead.

Don't doubt your goodness! It seems all of us that take caregiving on do that! It means we're human and understand the divine, even if not consciously so.

Please let us know how it goes when you have the time.
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Jenny you are a very caring person as we all are here on AC it's in our DNA.. But if you continue to care for Grandma you need to address her financial situation and mostly become her POA for medical and financial.. The days will become years and without POA you will be facing some tough decisions.. As, if she is hospitalized they will only speak to POA, when you are the one who will know exactly what's been going on..

It's great you are doing this out of kindness but you're already resentful of her children and believe me it will get worse.

Sit down with your husband and explain the situation, you know how it works you've worked in this field.

Your son is your first priority. Please take care of your immediate family first!

Hugs and best wishes... We're all in this together..
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Jenny, I'm so impressed by how clearly you see your situation - makes me really hopeful that you'll get through this with flying colours. Go-to person for your GIL is damned right!

Sounds to me, btw, like the son with POA could wind up with serious questions to answer about elder neglect. But save that 'til you've nothing better or more interesting to deal with. What wrotten psods, as my mother would have put it...
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Too funny! So we went to Mom's DR appt yesterday and he was addressing her panic attacks and she says "I don't get them that much" I said you had one this morning" she says "ya but I've only done that like one other time". Ha, she has at least 2 a week and it's been going on for almost a year!! So needless to say every time she has one I try to explain to her what's happening and what she needs yo do to relax.. Why even bother? Everytime is the first according to her!! LOL

Other than that BP is good and I'm the crazy one!!
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Jennny - Just to know that you could not have left her on her own says volumes about how caring you are. She is very lucky to have you. It is a shame that the ones that are there for them and love them get all the bad stuff. But, on the other side you are the one that is blessed with the good times also. I have only good memories of my mom because she died Saturday. I think we all feel resentment for being in this situation. We go through a lot of emotions during our caregiving. I sometimes felt hatred to her and then I would feel bad about it. I would think that I was a bad person and I did not love her. Caring for my mom was the toughest job I have ever had. I will tell you one thing, I know that I did the best that I could. That is what you can tell yourself over and over. YOU ARE DOING THE BEST YOU CAN!! and more. Telling myself that over and over helped. I also told her that. I managed to get some time to myself. It was not much but I needed just to get out. I got myself some essential oils like lavender and eucalyptus. I took long hot baths and was on this website a lot. Nobody knew what I was going through like the people in here. They have helped me with suggestions and just having my back. Sometimes I would get on here and vent. In bad times I would think about my mom as a wicked witch riding around on her broom . The most important thing to remember is to TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF!!!
Since this is a long post I will just make it longer. My mom had a great sense of humor and she did crazy things. I am remembering the good times now. For instance, we had neighbors across the street that mom and dad were close to. On year after Christmas the neighbor brought out the tree to be taken by the trash people. For some reason they did not pick it up. He would get so mad about it. Once in the middle of the night when they were coming for the trash in the morning Mom and Dad dragged the tree to our back yard and decorated it. In the morning the man thought that they had picked it up. The next day my parents put it in front of the mans sliding glass door so that was the first thing he saw in the morning. LOL I am remembering a lot of good times. I am taking the day off today and trying to relax. We are selling the house and now I have to get rid of a lot of stuff. Oh well, I knew this day was coming. It is going to be a lot of work. Brother is helping out a lot. Take care of YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No assandache your not the crazy one my Mom does the same thing every time it is unbelievable and so frustrating and today we have a doctor's app here we go again. lol
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Isn't it amazing once they get to the doc's what was bothering them to talk endlessly about is not so bad -they make the adult children look like fools-my Mom agreed to a swolling study with a doc present after he left she whined I don/t want to have that test-I was so burned up and said why did you agree to have-unbeievlable-then the docs think the children are troublemakers.
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Austin .. next time have your cell phone ready and record the convo with you and mom .. play it back for her and the doc.

"Ve hass vays!!"
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Jenny, you aren't a bad person, and you've tried to do the right thing...but is it the right thing? I can't help but worry about your little boy. Caregiving can consume you...all your time, all your energy, everything, not to mention some of the hell an elderly person with alz/dementia can dish out as you've already seen. I'm worried about a little kid being in the middle of all that and how it's going to affect him. You might have to rethink your priorities sooner or later. If it gets to be too much, and it certainly can, you'll have to find other options for grandma. It doesn't make you uncaring or 'bad', it makes you smart and realistic.

If I was married to someone that wanted to move in an alz/dementia relative, and worse, dump them on me, it would be game over before I'd take on that job. And I don't consider myself 'bad' for that either. I went around that block with my own mom for 11 years. Never again.
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Lost more hours due to other caregiver.... she's not willing to change, although I lost hours. Was told I would be working Thursday, which used to be a day off. Was told by her she is working her normal hours. Ticked because everything is confusing. I was told I was working on Thursday now. And then go, sent home. I don't do this for the money but she's making almost 150 more by taking my hours. Was never asked if it was ok. Sick of the BS, and lack of communication. Just venting....
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private care...seems like you have a good reason to vent! If I were your employer, I would be mortified that someone i counted on was treated so shabbily! is there someone you can go to to straighten all of this out? what has the other CG done to have so much power in this situation to change schedules like that?
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PC.... I absolutely understand.... Prayers for you to do what is right for YOU.... the family will figure it out sooner or later.... that is the place I am at in my own situation..... you are not alone... sending you hugs...
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Thank you everyone for your encouraging words...Lav123---I am so sorry for your loss and hope that you well. We have to remember those good times as often as we can so that THOSE are the memories that stay with us. Took your advice and pampered me a little this morning...the eucalyptus was great for my current sinus infection (blah)---colored my hair and took off the last bit of toenail polish from August that remained. During and after all that my mind races about Gram---what she said yesterday, how she was this morning--is her arthritis acting up today; she is in daycare today but off the next 2 days....but like parenthood, they are always in your mind. It seems I think of nothing else, to the point of absolute consumption. This morning my son brought me a pen and piece of paper. He asked me to do something for him because he thinks about me when he is at school. I said, "What can I do for you honey?" then he says, " You can write me just a couple of words, like a message, and put it in my lunch as a surprise." My heart swelled and broke all at the same time....when was it that I stopped seeing the small things?
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Jenny, it made me sad to read your post..... one at the beginning of his little life, and gma at the end of hers.... who gets priority....your son was reminding you you have a bigger impact on his life than you do gma....Please don't let this precious time slip away from you..... sending you hugs today and special hugs for your son!!!!
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Jenny, your little boy sounds an absolute sweetheart. Little things like that are the ones he'll remember forever, and so will you. Gorgeous.

I'm with you on the toenail polish - that creeping guilt as the unpainted part grows bigger and bigger and you STILL haven't got round to it..!
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thanks again ladee. i am confused about the forum today. no avatar photos are showing up, no way to like a helpful answer or give a hug. has something changed?
i thought after just a couple of days i was getting the hang of this forum, which IMO has been the best one i have found.
did something change?
i am still on my same clunky ipad... (desktop is next room over from one VERY LOUD T.V.)
confused again, what else is new? lol.
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oh, okay... i think when i get an email message about a reply i have to find and click "standard post" on the site.

how do i know i am a caregiver today? when i put her in her wheelchair for breakfast, (knowing it will take almost an hour for her to eat) and pop out to the post office 15 minutes tops, and come home to find her in the floor.
i know she takes pride in those FEW times, she makes it from the wheelchair to the bed, but the overall attempt is bad.
i have a gait belt, and i am going to start using it to strap her into her wheelchair. i did strap her in for a couple of weeks, no harm no foul. but she eventually convinced me that she would not try a nose dive if i stopped using it. my bad.
the gait belt is worth it, because getting her up from the floor is so much harder on her, and the belt is not even uncomfortable.
strap 'em in, i say!
i remember what terrible fits my youngest daughter would throw about being restrained in her carseat. did i think twice? did i consider letting her ride without a carseat? NOPE.
these are the things you have to overcome. you are bossing your parent around. i often give her the benefit of a doubt when that is not what she NEEDS at this point.
i am trying to follow my own made up brand new golden rule... be effective first, and anything that is left over can be spent on humouring them, or showing affection. you will ultimately have more time for that if you lay down the law on the rules that are keeping the, safe.
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Dared .. yep .. I think the secret is: keeping your emotional side separate from the medical/physical. In order for them to survive, healthily, they NEED certain things and actions on our part, and we have to save the affectionate actions for times when it's not related to what you're doing. VERY hard to do.

Edna decided, in some sleep deprived or dream-induced state that she should be able to get up out of bed and go fix the breakfast. Oh, dear lord. No. Especially not at 3am. So .. we took two gait belts, attached one on either side of the bed from the railings, added some strings of bells, then got a baby monitor. The belts don't actually keep her secure .. it's more like a warning system: when she tries to get up, the bells ring and we're alerted. Then we got a 'fall alarm' that we attach to her collar, when she's sitting ... if she moves too far, its yanked off the base, which sets off a siren. We do what we gotta do! I'll be damned if a fall will be the reason she declines!!
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Today- I am tired of taking care of my mother, yesterday I was tired of taking care of my mother, Last month- I was tired of taking care of my mother, Last year- I was tired of taking of my mother. I wish I could disappear for 6 months & could find someone else to care for her full-time & she could return to her home instead of living with me. #exhausted
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rioblu....I understand how your feeling. My mom is in so much pain from her arthritis and this cold damp weather. Her sundowners is working on me every night. When she does sleep I can't sleep. I just feel useless and not helpful at all. All I hear everynight is that I don't do anything and do nothing to help her. she wants me to take her pain away I wish i could I would do anything I can. Another weekend which usually aren't good anymore she is very agitated just try to keep her entertained and happy....wish me luck. Hugs to everyone hope you have a good weekend
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Dared, I like your avatar photo. It’s so cute. The kitty looks like it got caught being naughty. I had an “Aha” moment when I read your words about being Effective first and then any leftovers can go to the emotional part of us. I’m quite effective in doing this when changing father’s pampers – being efficient. It would be more beneficial if I can also try to put my emotional side in the backburner when dealing with him.

Rioblu, I know just what you mean! I helped with caregiving mom for 24 years. And now just father for the past 2 years. Lately, in my head, I’m thinking : I am soooo tired of changing pampers!!! I did mom’s pampers for over 13 years. Bedridden father – 2 years. And he just started in his road to senility. {{HUGS}} because you need one. (sorry, I can only send you cyber hugs when what you really need is Vacation from caregiving.)

Chrissy, I feel so bad for your mom. My arthritis has been acting up lately. I am sooo tired of the pain. I’m getting desperate enough to see if actually paying for a massage would help. Or may a chiropractor?
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Glad! I was watching... as usual CNN. I happened to watch the tail end of Anderson Cooper 360. It was about Psychopathic genes. He was interviewing this Neuroscientist whom was surprised that he had a psychopathic gene. He explained that those with pschopathic traits have problems with emotional sides. He gave an example. And what he said confirmed something that I've always known about me.

I have mentioned several times that my dysfunctional childhood must have damaged me. I've even told this to my counselor/therapist that I Feel Nothing inside. She reassured me that with the kind of violent childhood I was raised in, I had to lock my emotions in order to survive. And it's still locked inside. That's why I don't feel emotions.

But, the CNN, the way the scientist explained how he is with emotions...rings withe me. He says that he doesn't feel the emotions but he Understands it. I'm like that. (of course, if I locked my emotions deep within, I won't be feeling it now. Just as when I traveled to England and toured the real castle of the Queen - I did not feel happy or privileged or lucky. It was just a very beautiful castle.)

Anyway, there's this test if you go to AC360 (CNN Anderson Cooper's site) and click on the Psychopath test. I tried it for fun. Yippee!! I'm not a psychopath. =)

Well, according to the test:
* I'm a warm and empathic with a heightened awareness of social responsibility and a strong sense of conscience. {That's how I got stuck caregiving for the parents for over 24 years!}
* You like to carefully weigh up the pros and cons of a situation before you act and are generally averse to taking risks. {Yep! Overkill with indecisions!}
* You are very much a 'people person' and dislike conflict. {Yep! Still cannot confront sis to do more with regards to housework.}
* 'Do unto others...' are your watchwords. {That, too. But 'what goes around comes around' beats that hands down.}
* But, although you avoid hurting others, those residing at the higher end of the psychopathic spectrum might not be as considerate, so stay vigilant to avoid being hurt unnecessarily. {Easier said than done! Too late?}

Now that was fun! I was really really afraid that it would say that I'm psychopath! Whew! ;-)
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That must be good to know, Book! "Not a psychopath" would cheer me up, too… :)
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rioblu.....all I can say is DITTO!!
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