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Thanks for the tough love ladies...I feel guilty and thankful at the same time that I get paid for caring for her...I love her very much...and she loves me very much...we've had a stormy relationship ever since I was 10 or 11...we have a long history of not getting along...I have bipolar and see a psychiatrist and so does she...A lot of my strong reactions are unreasonable and I need to work on my behavior and stop automatically reacting as I've done with her all my life...

You're right about everything....it's only fair to do things her way...yet set limits on what I will and will not do.

I am on disability for some medical conditions and she's agreed to pay me to take care of her three days a week so it's a win win for us...She doesn't have to pay an agency extravagant fees but now that she needs more care, she has pcas coming every other morning, sharing caregiving with me...

Because I'm on limited income, I feel it's right to move in permanently...eventually she will need around the clock care and it's not right to have a stranger live here.

Two of my docs wrote letters, i just have to show them to the landlord this week...i expect them to keep the deposit...that's understandable...Should I wait until I show the landlord the letters and see if she'll let me break my lease, before I give notice? Do you mean stop paying rent next month?

Thank you so much for give me feedback..Have a great day!!
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I am the primary caregiver for my younger sister (52) who has VERY advanced Warnicke/Korsakoff Syndrome. I am only 53 years old myself.

This whole experience, which I've only been involved with for three months at this point, has already ship wrecked my life! I have no time for anything any more. Not my poor husband of 35 years. Not my adult children, or two precious granddaughters, both toddlers, one an 18 month old who stays with me in my home five days a week while her mother works! I am heartbroken, physically and emotionally exhausted, and cannot even imagine what kind of future lies ahead for any of us.

Right now, we (my sister's family and mine) have an amazing 'care team' in place, thrown together as best we could given our limited resources (physically AND financially), but realistically? How are any of us going to be able to endure this daily grind with no end in sight? And is it really fair that so many people be required to sacrifice their lives for the good of one?

Our situation is further complicated by the fact that I am my sister's only biological relative, and she mine. I love her with all my heart! My sister's husband? He is only 45 years old. A second marriage for both of them, they have been together for ten years. Though they loved each other deeply, and he has stuck by her as she has descended into her dementia, how can he be expected to stay in this now empty relationship at such a young age? He has so much of his life still ahead of him.

And then there is my sister's eight year old granddaughter, a child she has raised since birth. I cannot even imagine the trauma that has already imprinted on her. We, her family, are attempting to fill in the gaps, but she lives with my sister still. Lives with this 'crazy woman' who now 'competes' with her more as a jealous sibling than her once adoring 'Gran'. And worse? We have all had to adopt a hyper-vigilant stance when the two of them are in the room together as my sister has become increasingly aggressive, both emotionally, and recently, physically. This is also a frightening situation in my home since, as I mentioned before, I have a rambunctious toddler underfoot!

I have spent hours online reading literature on WKS, searching for answers, trying to find resources, help, anything! I have learned much, but help? Nothing. My sister is in no way ready for residential care, and since we could not afford a 'nice' private home, I would not consider placing her anyway. Day care in my city? Exclusively for the elderly and handicapped, NOT for a young woman who has a cruel awareness of her illness, but no understanding of what has happened to her. I will NOT just 'dump' her somewhere, not even for a few hours, as so many of my well meaning friends and family (my husband's) advise. She would be terrified! Support groups? Again, devoted to Alzheimer caregivers taking care of aging parents. Already, in just three months time, this has proven to be the most isolating experience of my life.

I stumbled across this wesite, and though it is called agingcare.com, I have taken advantage of the 'Ask A New Question' box in hops that someone will read this and, just maybe, have an answer for me. I am desperate.
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Holly-
So overwhelming to have to deal with this in your sister at such a young age. However, if she has become physically aggressive especially toward the child, you should feel no guilt in finding placement for her. If she is a danger to herself or others, it is past time. Things can happen so quickly!

Are you in the US? If sister has no means of funding placement it is past time to go through the Medicaid process. This takes six months or longer and if there is physical aggressiveness this should have been done before. But, from what I understand, once she has become physically aggressive call 911 to transport her to the ER where they will admit her for a full psych examination. Once there, they can take care of finding appropriate placement for her which may be a psychiatric hospital. I know this will be very difficult, but you have the safety of others that should be a priority. It sounds as if this has already had significant psychological impact on the child and could effect her for the rest of her life.
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Lav....after my father died different noises and things would happen and I always thought it was my father sending me a message. I dreamt about him for weeks. Its funny I thought I was doing a lot of work when he was here but after he was gone I realized how much he did to help me. March it will be 6 years that he has been gone and I still breakdown thinking of him. But when I have bad moments with my mom I go in basement where my father had his man cave and i always feel close to him and i feel some type of comfort.

I've been sick the last 10 days with a bronchial infection, migraines and just took me days to get rid of my fever. Mom doesn't comprehend that I'm sick I would cough and each time would have to remind her I'm sick. Its not her fault but so glad I'm starting to feel better. Then my brother came over today for 5 minutes on his way to a basketball game and questioning me about why i haven't done certain things this week. I reminded him i've bee n sick and caring for my mom and h e just shrugged his shoulders, if i had the strength i would have thrown something at him but lucky for him i was too far away from him.
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Holly .. cudos for taking on the role of caring for your sister. All the strangeness and frustrations can and will be, at times, overwhelming. It's simply the nature of the 'beast'. And, I have to say it .. "fair" simply doesn't enter into the equation. Sad, but true. The only thing open to you is tapping whatever resources ARE available to you.

I don't know what you've already researched, but a few things (from the norm of the elderly) occur to me:

- Look for support organizations for any or all of her conditions. For instance, some of the research organizations or foundations may be able to direct you to assisted living or even some research programs for medication trials
- Check for any local resources that handle the developmentally challenged for something like group homes
- Reach out to other families or group who are also going through this experience, they've surely preceded your research and may have some good answers for you
- If you're in the states, and your sis is already on medicare, be sure to see if she qualifies for your state's medicaid program. And don't forget SSI .. these are monetary resources, rather than in-home help, but every little bit helps.

A wee bit of googling got me to the NORD and GARD organizations which specialize in assistance to Rare Diseases/Disorders.

Hope that helps.

Meanwhile, Glad's concern for the child is well deserved, based on what I read about the syndrome. Is there a way to isolate the two of them? If not, the child should never be left alone with her, nor close enough, physically, to be at risk. I hope you find a safe solution .. no one wants Child Protective Services at your door, after an ER visit.
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Smitty, is there a law in your area about no smoking in public? We have one here on island but I think it doesn't apply at my work. I'm not asthmatic but I am very very sensitive to smoke (cigarettes or trash burning) and freshly mowed lawns. I literally choke when I inhale too long the smoke and lawn grass. Our office building have smoking areas: on both areas where I need to pass to go to the restroom! I have tried holding my breath until I pass by but the smoke tends to travel along the hallways. So, lately, I've been coughing a lot now when I walk those hallways. Even when the smoker is no longer there, I walk the halls, and I'm choking and coughing. Even inside our office, the smoke finds its way in, and I'm coughing and coughing and my face gets all stuffy. I have to turn on my little desk fan to blow the smoke (cannot see it) away from me.

Hi Hollyq. Be careful with your sister and the grandchild. Your sister may become suddenly aggressive toward the child for some unknown "travesty" done against her. Even though I was age 23 when mom had dementia, to have her attack us with such hatred and anger scared me so much that I am now terrified of anyone who displays "mental illness". I automatically think that they will be like my mom - calm and blank to suddenly such hateful anger to wanting to hurt us. I'd keep an open communication with the grandchild to make sure you know what's going on in her head, the fears, the guilt (that grandma hates her, what did I do to grandma that she hates me, etc...)
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I must have been really exhausted yesterday. I knocked out and slept thru the whole night - not even to wake up to turn. I woke up in the same position I fell asleep - and hence a neckache but easily solved by switching to my squishy pillow to cradle my neck and massage it as I went back to sleep. I think I'd better buy more of those squishy pillows before I lose my job.

And, my father's voice today is not irritating me. Whew!
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Smitty. I think you should give a month's notice and pay that months rent and show the letters from the MDs at the same time. You should put your notice in writing and apologize for breaking the lease but explain that the smoking has made it impossible for you to remain plus the fact that your mother's increasing frailty means that she needs you to return home. If you haven't already moved your belongings offer to do so immediately so that the apartment can be rented out at once. that way the landlord can profit and may not be so upset with breaking the lease. it is very difficult for you with a mental illness but you seem very open to co-operating with your mother. I would also advise not making a decision to remain with mother permanently at this point. See how things shake out for a few months first. Keep us in the loop.
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Holly what a very difficult situation you find yourself in. I know nothing about WKS but from what little I have been able to research it is a deficiency caused by lack of thiamine often due to alcohol abuse. Is this the cause of your sister's illness? Does she also have liver damage? Has she received any medical care? Is she continuing to be treated? Are you in the USA? if not where are you? are you certain of the diagnosis? what I read does not include the aggressiveness. Is there any other illness involved? As I stated I know nothing of the disease maybe someone else does. If you are in the US why did she not have treatment before she was so advanced? I certainly think that your sister's grandchild should be protected from her grandmother. If I was professionally involved in your sister's care I would be mandated to report this situation as endangering the welfare of a child. Can your sister be medicated to reduce her aggressiveness before someone gets hurt. What does her husband want to happen? I know I have asked a lot of questions but am just trying to find the background and the best way we can help you. I am very sympathetic to your situation and admire the way everyone has come together to help your sister.
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HollyI would try to get social services involved -have them do an assessment and let the solution come from them-they may even remove the child from the home and when she acts up-your sister do call 911 they will have to get her into a hospital at first and then go from there-she will not be able to hide the fact that she is mentally ill and they will have to proceed to do what is nessicary to protect her and the family.
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HollyI, I'm not going to add more questions. I just want to remind you that three months is still early days, you can't have adjusted yet or even got your head round all of your sister's needs. I hope the situation partly clarifies itself soon. Please remember, though, that you can be a good sister, a loving support to your sister, without necessarily taking all of her world on your shoulders. Don't paint yourself into any corners.

I share others' concern for the grandchild, your great niece; and like you I'm afraid to think what she's going through. Because of her age and vulnerability, she has to come first in the overall plan. Your grandchildren have good parents, your husband has you; what's she got? Poor little moppet. Please seek expert advice on how best to support her, urgently: her school might be a good place to start.

Finally, I appreciate your consideration for your brother in law; but you ask "how can he be expected to stay in this now empty relationship at such a young age?" Well, because he took it on, for one thing. Because he IS young, for another, and has a fair chance of another chance once his commitment comes to its end. I'm not saying he should be held to anything against his own choice; but don't ENCOURAGE him to rat out! There is virtue in keeping to marital vows for their own sake, after all.

You are a good person, giving so much love and care to so many people. May you be rewarded with all of the support you need.
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Lavendar,

When it comes to visiting spirits of the deceased, we all have different belief systems. Our narcissistic aunt died in mom's home, (where she'd lived),
and actually in the bedroom they shared. This has been 2 yrs., ago. Initially, I really got the feeling her energies were still around, and how can they not be, especially being such a negative person. If you want, you can burn some sage, and Veronica has given you some very good advice about the matter.

Much Love & Light! Margeaux
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Some also believe that opening a window at the time of death allows the spirit to leave
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Hi there - I am sorry I have not had the time to comment on all the posts yet. I have been busy with getting the funeral things going. There is one thing that I would like to do ask for is if anyone knows where I can get a FREE funeral mass program template. If anyone has any ideas I would appreciate it. Take care of Ya'll.
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you could make your own in word doc. ask around the family to see if anyone knows how to use word. if anyone has a picture of your loved one, you could scan and imped it on word as well.
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Also check Microsoft online templates that are downloadable.
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Do a google search for funeral mass templates. I just did, there appeared to be many available.
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My sister in-law passed 1 1/2 yrs ago. We'd gone to spend the night with my brother in law to be there early for a drs. appt. My BIL said he's never spent the night in his wives bed, but we were welcome to if we felt like it. He's just not comfortable sleeping in the same bed w/o her.
When we arrived, I went into the house, looked at the pictures that were still out, went into the bedroom and looked over her dresser, opened a few trinket boxes on the dresser top, straightened a table skirt in the corner arranged her doll and bible. Told her out loud how much I missed and loved her.
Meanwhile, in their living room there's still a stand alone a "coat closet". It wasn't cold and we didn't have jackets. While still in the bedroom, I looked up at her graduation picture and asked if it was ok that we stay in her bed one night. The reason for being there and to give me a signal in someway if she didn't mind.
Forgot about everything that happened in the room, walked into the living room, my bil hadn't come home for lunch yet, my husband was standing by the closet and I hadn't noticed, but the door was standing open.
Husb asked "did you open this door?" I didn't open it, were you looking for something,"
Inside, I smiled to my sister in law and thanked her by God's grace to be able to contact her and letting me know"
I'VE NEVER TOLD MY HUSB about the incident and never will. That was her and my own way of connecting.
It didn't scare me, things like that just don't.
My mother having died a short 16 mos. ago contacts me through whistling very softly. Only when I'm alone They're very audible whistles, that's how I know it's her.
I am 1/4 Am Indian, 1/4 Hispanic and 1/2 French, my ethnic blood gives me the opportunity to tap into the lives of passed relatives. This doesn't happened with friends. I'm not off my rocker, these things have happened to me but only my youngest, who's also had similar things happen to her....truly understands.
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My Mom is getting deeper into the belly of the beast now. Today, she thought her new apartment, where she has been living for two months, and she would be checking out to go home. Her language skills are declining. And for the first time, she asked my husband and me our names. I am praying this is a dip out of which she will rise, and not the blip of uncuttable change. I cannot change this. I can love her. Finally, I think, that is the only thing we can do. Love the person right in front of us when they're there. And I am so lucky Mom is in a facility four minutes away that is compassionate and charming. Very, very, very lucky. I admire all of you for your strength. I am not very strong physically, and the work you are describing sounds like pure agony. You are angels come to life. Every single day. So tonight, again, i cannot sleep wondering if this is the end of her. Will she know who I am tomorrow?
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Maure, that was a very nice story. I hear those stories all the time while growing up and even up to now. My people are the locals or what Americans described long ago as "indians." Our beliefs are still very strong when it comes to our ancient ancestors and the "spirits." When I "found" God in my early 20's, the teachings uprooted most of my heritage beliefs. I STILL find myself torn between white man's civilized thinking and my native teachings. If you look closely when I discuss topics about spirits and death, I contradict myself. I just love hearing stories like yours. I'm not a very good Christian.... I still need to uproot these "pagan" beliefs ... which I have problem doing because I can't or am not willing to give up.

Hi LJJ, welcome to AC. It's good that you know your strengths and limits. And I'm so glad that you found a very nice facility and it's close to where you live. As for your mom, just take it one day at a time. At nights when you're worrying, just close your eyes and pray with your heart to God to watch over your mom. (If you don't believe in God, maybe an equivalent?) Just take it one day at a time...
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Wonderful stories. My blood is plain Anglo Saxon as far as I know and I definitely feel these spiritual things. How can anything be pagan when Jesus himself was seen by believers after his death? My younger daughter can also see auras which I can not do. No this is not early dementia I took an on line test yesterday and got everything right in my opinion although they said at the end there are many correct answers and it should be taken to a DR for interpretation. So I gave it to hubby who is an MD and he agreed with my answers. See you later Blue Cross is sending a PA this morning to help us with our many imperfections. that will be interesting I hope she knows more than we do
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The husband never contacted me but I have had plenty to say to him the last few years.
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LJJ I hope you tell the staff at the facility how you appreciate their kindness very often we tend to express when something is wrong but do not give praise and a short note to tell them you appreciate them is always nice-they work hard.
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Austin - nice not to be contradicted, at least! :)
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LLJ-
A move will often cause a decline, sometimes it is not reversed, other times it is. I think taking them out of a place they have been for a long time will leave them completely disoriented. But, the decline will happen in time regardless of where they are. My mom has lived in her home for more than 50 years, but often does not recognize it as hers, or will ask who has been living here while I have been gone. Just a couple of days ago, she looked at herself in the mirror and did not recognize herself, asked when her hair turned white. She has had white hair for about 40 years. She often refers to my siblings, that live in the area, but are not around much at all, as the other ones. She forgets their names, but thus far, usually recognizes them. And on recognizing them mom does not seem to understand by looking at any of us how old we are, all in our 50's, she thinks we are still teenagers. It is a truly devastating disease for all family members.
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Austin.... that old turd knows better than to try and contact you!!!! Had to laugh at your post..... love it that when I first met you, how tore down you were, compared to the woman you are today.... you are an absolute testament to 'good things happen to good people' !!!!

Right after Stu died, a few weeks later... I had a dream.... makes my heart hurt just thinking about it.... he was telling me I was beautiful, and I knew what he meant..... not 'outside' beautiful.... but inside.... it was bittersweet, that dream.... I am missing him so much right now.... can't catch my breath sometimes.... and he was an awesome friend....I am angry that I did not get more time with him....

I absolutely believe the spirits let us know things.... I was out rock hunting one day, my version of 'going to church', and was 'talking to Stu'.... and I came across this rock that let me know he was ok, whether I was or not.... just an odd shaped rock, but down in one section there was four little heart shaped sparkly things, then a ring around it.... and fissures coming out from it like sun rays... hard to describe.... but I just stood there and cried..... missing him more and more every day....
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Veronica91 ... you may not realize it, but there is a huge difference in your reference to the resurrected Jesus and dead spirits .... you might want to make sure you understand what you reference before using it as an example. ... just sayin
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FadingShadows... we are simply sharing our own experiences here, not on a 'fact finding' mission.... let's don't turn this into something controversial, some of us are very 'raw' right now... and like life, it's left open for our own interpretation..... live and let live.... I find this fascinating... and heart warming...and I don't feel so alone right now with my grief....so please, we all have too much everyday to cope with...not the time to nit-pic semantics....
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LadeeM,

I completely second the motion about "coping, and nit-picking semantics!

Thanx,
Much Love & Light! Margeaux
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We are all trying to do the best we can, regardless of our beliefs.
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