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LadeeM...MIL is 91, we helped her a lot while she was still in her apartment , but moved her in with us 3 years ago when she could absolutely no longer manage on her own. (and her rat dog) it's taken 3 years to finally get him house broken...he's old, insulin dependent diabetic, and blind as a bat...I have proven that you can teach an old dog new tricks, just have to be more stubborn than they are...back to MIL...she could get around on her own with a walker until a year ago, we now use it only to help transfer her from recliner or wheelchair to bed...I bath her, dress her, change her depends during day and diapers at night, do more laundry than I think I did when we had babies in the house, clean her dentures and put the adhesive on them and help her guide them into her mouth (always seems to get them turned backwards on her own) so far she can get her food from plate to mouth, use a bib to try and keep her dry, on a bad day have had to spoon feed her, try to use as many finger foods as we can, that she will eat...the choices that she will actually always eat are kind of narrowed down to her cinnamon toast crunch cereal..that I add thickener to for the choking problem, chicken pot pies, and her little drum ice cream cones...after that it's always kind of hit or miss as to what she will even try to eat. I've started cutting her hair myself because it is such a hassle to get her out of the house...the only place she will go willingly is to her doctors office. My husband helps as much as he can, but we are trying to help her preserve a little dignity so all the diaper patrol, and dressing stuff is up to me. Our daughter came over and sat with her a couple of times when she could still get to the bathroom by herself, but I really don't expect her to do bathroom duty for her grandma. LOL she once asked me " well you don't have to clean the creases do you?"...if I don't , it won't get done...so far we have had no rashes or skin problems so I guess the up and down from the bed to the wheelchair is enough to keep the bedsores at bay. She will only sleep flat on her back...oh yes she is also now on oxygen 24/7. She is on an eye drop schedule to try and save the sight in her good eye...4 drops in the morning 5 minutes apart, 3 at lunch 5 minutes apart, 4 at dinner 5 minutes apart and 3 at bedtime, again 5 minutes apart...all in both eyes...I count out 250 pills a week for pill boxes (some are mine and husbands) drug companies make a killing on senior households...husband does feed the dog and give him his injections. They have been sending a physical therapist to work with her twice a week (always feel like the house has to be spotless when she comes, had to fill out pages of paperwork with her on any possible hazards in the home...including where plugs and cords are...seriously how do they think she is going to get to them in her condition anyway? She plans to release MIL next week because she is not making any progress and does not want to practice any of the exercises she's supposed to do...trying to keep up with her EOB's from insurance and keep all her doctors bills paid on time and make sure she's being billed the correct amount...don't know if I should be a nurse or a CPA...she has her days and nights mixed up a good deal of the time and it's not unusual for her to want to get up and dressed several times during the night (that's with the sleeping pill) she get's angry when she's told it's the middle of the night and she needs to go back to sleep. Today she wanted me to take her teeth out and get her ready for bed at 3 in the afternoon...didn't like that "no" any better...other than that I'm an almost 65 year old lady of leisure...just finished making new window treatments for the living room and started stripping down a couple of chairs I want to reupholster today...you can actually get quite a bit accomplished when you are essentially housebound...
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sorry...had to go get her on the portable bedside commode...she didn't like it at first but it makes my life easier...when she could get to the bathroom on her own she was constantly making the toilet overflow with to much paper and was so slow getting there that we had some major explosions that managed to hit floor and 3 walls, all over the toilet, and once (have not figured out how but in the middle of all that runny mess there was one small solid turd that managed to bounce all the way into the shower...with me running the commode to her we have managed to not have any bowel movements in her pants (used to happen kind of often when she was trying to get there on her own)...fortunately we have tile all over the house...waxed cement in her room now since we ripped out the carpet so with my trusty mop and what I call my morning cocktail (pinesol-fabuloso- and bleach) I can keep the house smellng nice and fresh in spite of all the things going on...she has lost so much of her sense of when she is going that she sometimes goes on me when I'm changing her...just got her wiped and back into her chair...need to get back to stripping out those chairs. Hope this helps in some way...hugs and good luck on the job search.
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Red .. before the therapist releases her from the program, if she's on medicare, be sure to ask about the "maintenance" program that was legislated into place last year. They no longer need to decline PT without progress. Visits go down to once a week, but it really helps.
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Red, what a full time job...! I can't imagine how debilitating Parkinson's is. When I have been specializing in one field, not even realizing how awful this disease is.... never ceases to amaze me what we learn on this site.... will do a lot more reading on this.....

And she is 91 ! We are seeing more and more dil's doing what you are doing... and how awesome hubby helps....you have your hands full lady!!! And good on you for house training Muttly!!! You have a lot more patience than I do.... and doing your chairs too.... guess keeping busy keeps you from letting it all overwhelm you.... and thank you for filling me in on Parkinson's . Will do more reading on this.

Well, job search not getting any results yet... so I may be at some of your doorsteps with a sign... 'Will work for food'.....get so tired of starting over again....but it is what it is....

Hope everyone finds one thing to be grateful for today....lots of hugs and chocolate...
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That is good news about PT for people who do not continue to inprove not being cut off and can have some maintenance -even once a week will help.
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Lady C will ask about the maintenance but don't know if it will help since MIL will not do the exercises she is given...it wears her out...Parkinson's is only one of the problems she has. Advanced glaucoma and hearing loss was before the Parkinson's. She also has cancer of the left ureter (kind of a rare spot to get it) is very slow growing, so have been told that it could go on for years. She is not in any pain, but has enough presence of mind to get scared if she feels anything uncomfortable. ie a wrinkle in her pajama top under her can send her into a crying fit till it's smoothed out...and yes ladeeM...having projects going on does help keep me sane...I have been working toward more of a minimalist lifestyle and have had lots of garage sales and sold things online to get rid of things. I have collected antiques for years but the more I get rid of the easier it is for me to keep everything clean. Also a lot less for my kids to have to worry about when I go...LOL
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I am a minimalist until it comes to my art stuff... will hyperventilate if I think I have to throw an old scrap of clay or an old bead away.... I call it my organized clutter.... but would loose my mind if I couldn't create....

And on that note... I am giving myself permission to feel sorry for myself today.... so as a group now.... 1......2.....3..... POOR LADEE !!!!!!
Thank you all in advance...love and hugs
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Poor Ladee, don't believe that for one minute. Go out and get a huge tatoo on your butt then the passers by will have something uplifting to look at when you are in the mood for mooning. Something tastefull maybe micky and minee. love
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Red. one small thing you can do for MIL is to put her limbs though range of movement several times a day to prevent her going into the fetal position with clawed hands. May be do it when you change or move her. Ask the PT to show you what to do.
Just done alot of research on the dementias and with parkinsons it happens wuite late in the disease. it affects, memory,attention, judgement and the ability to complete a task. if an autopsy is done change similar to ALZ may be found including Lewy bodies.
Just for you Ladee when you do your reading you will find the ALZ society identifies 12 different dementias. The only real differences are in the age at which they start, the underlying disease, the length of time between first symptom and death and possible treatment. the only possibly treateble one is that cauzed by alcohism which can be treated by the administration of Thiamine. i think with your specialize experienced Ladee you could take on the care of any demented patient. the only difference would be for the care of the underlying disease which again would be similar. My only advice would be with your infirmaties to avoid an overweight patient. I found it all very interesting and very informative. i guess i have been exposed to such patients but certainly had never had that included in any kind of training. I was also certified as a hospice and palliative care nurse and the exams for that did not address it either. Anyone else who is interested in more research will find that if Drs do their homework they should be able to recognize changes in their patients earlier than they do and be able better to support the care givers. the thing I took away from all this is that all seniors show some of these signs at times, like leaving the stove on, forgetting some one's name, not remembering if the black or green wire is the ground and forgetting the way somewhere. It is only when grandma frequently takes the same route and gets half way there and calls you every time to ask which street the Dr's office on that there is cause for concern. Ocassionaly you don't have dementia, everytime get thee to the Dr. but first read up on it so he does not blow you off.
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Just to add to the above, as yet there is no reliable test for any kind of dementia but brain imaging could show some changes and carefull observation can help predict. The mental avaluation tests can also give a good indication. these include things like drawing the face of a clock from memory and putting the hands to show a certain time. There are also memory tests and drawing simple shapes. I used to do assesments for long term care and although I did not know it I was administering these tests. you can actually find these on line and do it at home. it could also be done in the Drs office by the nurse. It only takes about half an hour
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Hi everyone. Read through past 30 posts or so. Many of you deal with a level of constant care or decline in your loved one that I don't. I do know what its like to be constantly trying to get medical care for someone thats in decline. The endless appointments and its never going to be good news… It can be a very depressing life, this caring for elders… its USUALLY a very depressing life, although somehow you guys seem to find happy moments here and there, at least I think those regularly participating on this site do. When I'm not on here and posting, I'm in a darker place. So I hope it "works" that way for all of you, too, and I can keep reading your posts, letting out your frustrations and at least knowing there's others out there who understand and sympathize.

Book, my dad has issues with getting frequent bladder infections, too. What I learned is that when they are really sedentary, and they have catheter, the urine can't flow away out of organs like its supposed to. So the urine stays inside them and pools since the catheter isn't aiming directly down… because they're laying down… make sense? My dad's docs just told me (and him) to expect frequent infections if he's sedentary. My dad COULD at least get up more, he just likes to spend every single day in bed. Sigh. But sorry to hear your dad is having these other issues, too, and being bullheaded about it. Sounds very much like my dad. Except my dad won't swing on me. He knows better. : ) I'm not a hitter, but I have hit my father after he's thrown things at me or hit me, and for better or worse, he's stopped coming at me like that… so in my case (definitely NOT advising for everyone), teaching my father that I will retaliate if he gets physical with me has totally changed how combative he gets with me these days. He avoids altercation with me and I'm grateful for that at least.

LadeeM, I might be on the street with you with the "work for food" sign. Yes, I'm job/apartment hunting in Chicago, but I'm selecting location by default. I'm already here. Its only choice I can make to start, I think, financially speaking. And if I don't really make serious moves to extract myself from living/caregiving to dad, nothing will change here. I've also ran into overload of old hurts, old resentment issues that you and others warned me I would. I think I dealt with it all pretty well but like I said on DYS thread, it came to a point in past few months where I was having thoughts of hurting my dad… or me… so something, somewhere has to change. I cannot stay in a situation where I'm acting, basically, as slave to/for a father that abandoned me and molested me. It just hurts too much. Time to go. But the reality is I have no freaking clue where I'm going to go to in any "longterm" way. Just have to start somewhere. Good luck with your own job search, hope you find a really great situation.

Snow is melting here today. : ) That's nice to see. My bday is Friday, supposed to be above freezing all week. I like to think Mother Nature sent me a little bday gift. (((hugs)))
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Thank you for the information Veronica...I think there have been signs for a long time that were never diagnosed as Parkinson's for MIL. At 91 it seems like things are starting to go down hill quickly. Her speech is starting to be affected and can be really hard to understand. I can see the time approaching rapidly when she will not be able to tell us what she wants and then it will really be a guessing game to try and keep her content. It is so hard to tell where the limited vision and hearing intersect with the dementia...this morning she called me in to ask the time...said she needed a clock she could see from the bed...asked her to turn her head to see the big red numbers ...oh yeah...I think I've pointed out that lousy clock at least a hundred times...she forgets to turn her head while in bed to see it...she can see it...numbers are 2 inches tall and it's on her good side...she just forgets. One day she will carry on a very ordinary conversation...the next we all take a trip to lala land, where nothing makes sense and she has no idea where she is...good news is that so far she always knows who we are. (me and hubby)...just trying to do this one day at a time.
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Ok, something's been bothering me. I wrote about my combative father in my previous post, and that I'd hit him on occasion.

Thats not really accurate. It would be more accurate to say that there were 2 distinct occasions in past several years where my father, who has no form of dementia, has threatened to "hurt me" (his words) and he has physically come after me. I responded on 2 occasions with over the top physical action towards him… not so much actually physically hitting him.

The best way I can describe it is a scenario of 2 dogs - the bigger dog growls at the smaller dog, expecting to get its way. The small dog becomes more aggressive and says, in so many words, "bring it on, I'm not backing down here, and I'm ready if you want to fight." I don't know… this approach seems to have gotten through to my father that I won't tolerate his little tantrums that are physical against me. If he wants to go in his room, slam some doors, that's all fine. I won't be physically abused.

Ok, just wanted to add some words. I felt like I somehow advocated using physical violence against elders, and I don't care how ornery they are, I would never advocate that. I guess somehow I knew instinctively I needed to shut down that tendency my father has to flare out of control on certain occasion when he's huffy. And for me, in my situation, I do seem to have gained a handle on it.
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My Mother and I have our good days and our bad days. Today was a semi good day for us. Mother turned up the heat in the house to 90-95 this winter because she was cold. What happen in due course was the snow on the roof started melting down through the ceiling, walls and I'm pretty sure the floor is damaged also. I got most of the snow off the roof but knew that with even mild temps what was up there was going to of course melt again. It did and for the last 4 days I've been climbing up and down ladders trying to put a tarp over the leaking part to prevent more damage. Just so you know I'm a 62 year old woman who works 40+ hours a week with a brother who also works but when Mother called him to see if he would climb on the roof on Saturday,(today is Tuesday) he has yet to return her call. My Mother has dementia but early stage and in total denial. Tonight after coming down from roof she informed me she is not going to see anymore doctors, take anymore test and refuses to even take Plavix for the stroke she had in October. The best part of today was we listened to what each other had to say and let it go. I'm learning.
I hope everyone has a better tomorrow if today was just so-so.
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Hi Taheil, Welcome to AC (agingcare). It's strange that I'm learning more and more on what is required for you all who live in snowy winters. It just makes it so much harder in your caregiving. I hope you have a better day today.

ABB, my eyes actually widened when I read your earlier post. Then when you followed with a detailed express, I giggled. Giggled in that I always TRY to re-read my words to make sure that when others read it, there's no mistaken impression. Proofread. I know what you mean. That's how I am with father. He dishes it to me, and I am very disrespectful back to him. Whereas oldest sis - she takes his abuse without fighting back. So, I guess that's why he's verbally worse to her than to me.
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This morning, when I changed father's pampers, his New bedsore had pus dripping from it, past from the loosely taped gauze. It was light brownish color. The sore had red skin around the widening hole. As I cleaned it with the sodium chloride, I can tell that sore is not only visually widening, but my finger can feel it sinking in. Ugh!!!

Backtrack. Yesterday morning, I told father that he needs to call the doctor or the nurse about his bleeding bedsore and the blood in his urine. I also told oldest sis before I left for work in the morning. Sis just shrugged me off as I tried to tell her what to do. So, I left a bit angry. I came home after work, at 7pm. I asked Dad if he spoke to the nurse and/or the doctor. THEY didn't.

So, today, I see his bedsore worsening. This time, the pus. I was angry, and while changing his pamper, my mouth went on and on. I figured Dad's desire to NOT have any medical intervention needed a bit of a scare. He says he's not afraid of dying but his actions (herbal pills) contradict this. So, I Described to him how his sore is bleeding and now pus. And that it's widening, etc... I then took the gauze out of the trash to show him the filthy gross thick brownish pus on it. He just stared at the gauze. I then proceeded to tell him that if we don't treat this sore, it will become Infected and Might turn Gangrene. If it turns gangrene, they will have to cut part of his butt - like they do with the diabetics here on island. (My father insists that our doctors like to cut off diabetic people's limbs instead of trying to save it.) I went on and on.

By the time I was done changing his pamper, he wanted to call the doctor. He wanted me to prepare the lifter blanket so that when the medical transport comes, all they have to do is use the lifter to transfer him from the bed to the gurney. Whew!!!

I came home today at 6pm. He is very angry and verbally abusive to oldest sis. I kept telling him "Enough!" And then he kept telling me that sis did not feed the 2 girls. He kept pointing to the wall where the 2 girls are. I looked at the wall and ther is nobody there. For about 15 minutes, he kept insisting that I feed the 2 girls because they haven't eat since this morning. I tried telling him that they're not hungry, etc.. After a while, he asked me where did they go? I said that they went to eat in the kitchen. (Just in case he sees them again, he will not try to get me to feed them.) He's hallucinating. He has UTI. His appointment is tomorrow at 2pm. and we will be paying the medical transport $400.00 for this trip to the clinic. Medicare did not pay for his ambulance to the the hospital last year when he ended up staying 2 weeks with pneumonia. His secondary insurance did not pay for it, either. So, father will be paying the $400.00 ambulance service..... Time to go and change his pampers.
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Veronica, to answer your question - I have no POA over father. He Hates it when the nurse or doctor looks to me for answers when they should be asking him. I try to avoid answering because it will turn him obstinate on his medical stuff. He doesn't want me to have anything to do with even showing that I have authority over HIS house. He has also in the past refused medical help (I called the ambulance). LadeeM suggested that I back off and eventually the pain will drive him to go to the clinic/hospital. She was right. A few days later, he found it difficult to breathe and wanted to go to the ER. His left lung was almost filled with fluid. Therefore, ANY medical intervention Must be Initiated by him or he will Reject it. Hence, the scare tactic.
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ABB, I knew what you meant.... I was the same way with my dad, the other kids would never stand up to him...he only took a swing at me one time... I know his hair was on fire when I got done saying all I needed to say to him... but I never laid a hand on him....no one has the right to abuse us, parenthood be damned....honor thy parents... not if there is not honor in return.... I'm talking about the ones that have a brain cell that is still working...

Good luck with your job/house hunt..... try to look at is as a new beginning.. try to have some adventure in your soul as you start on this next step in your journey.... so much of our lives is spent 'between our ears', and how we perceive it and what we choose to hold on to..... you are worth the energy to have a new beginning.... let us know what you find..hugs to you 'adopted daughter'.....

welcome Taheil..... hope you come back and join us.... this place is a life saver and we actually laugh here too...

May have a job working nights.... that's ok, I am tired of the daily drama.... seems my pay is shrinking, but that's ok too.... as long as my needs are met.... I'm ok.... so hope this is not a long drawn out job search and this will work out....

So, need to get going and see what adventures I can find today..... I have put off going to the Laundromat for so long, well, last pair of panties and all that.... so will get that over with this morning..... will call the lady back and about the job and will hope this is the one... if not, then something else.....

Love and hugs, ttyl
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Book I hope he does go to the clinic for that bedsore -it sounds like he needs to be in the hospital for treatment-he probably knows this but likes to argue with you about everything-you are in a hard place and it has to be hard for you to see him doing things that make caring for him harder-we all know you are doing the best for him that anyone is able to do-with him and your sister fighting you on every level.
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Book, from your father's point of view I hope it is only a uti and nothing worse, since he's let that bedsore get right out of its tree by the sound of it. I wish he'd listen to you! (no sh1t - I expect you wish so too!). Big hug, hope it gets sorted. x
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Thanks. It's just that I've got educated on this from taking care of mom, cleaning her stomach tube area, her trache, and that bedsore from the hospital. I watched the govt caregivers and the home care nurses for mom. So, I can tell when his bedsore was going to be bad. But they weren't listening to me - until it's bad. I'm tired.. I'm going to sleep. Night!
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veronica.... in regard to the tattoo.... I really think it should cause people to pause and ponder..... so I think it will be a fire breathing dragon!!!
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But, Ladee, is that too close to memorializing C? LOL!
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No Glad, C didn't breath fire she spewed acid. Fire would have ignited the whole place she was so souced in alcohol
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Annoyed... came in today, other caregiver says laundry is in the drier, looked, was still in the hamper. Never started. Went to put dishes away, half were still dirty. Found a half of vicodin in the bathroom, my patient is immobile. And her husband had no idea how it got there. Basically no big deal. Also no meds given. Have to call everyday cause she forgets to mark them. But my biggest concern is how a vicodin ended up in the bathroom. Am I over thinking? C doesn't take them, but other cg has been talking about not being able to get pain meds to treat her "medical problem". Do I speak up to family members or just let it go?
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First of all is anyone in the house taking vicodin? If other cg has a prescription that's OK. her other behavior is not OK. She is not providing proper care for the patient.You don't "forget" to give medications. She is also lying to you and not completing tasks she is responsible for. Definitely discuss it with the family if you don't you also make yourself as responsible for the lack of proper care. It is up to the family whether they fire her or not but if they decide to keep her make sure they know when she does not give meds or anything else that should be done. The laundry and dishes you can deal with directly. Another question I ask is is she an older woman who is actually no longer competant?
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LOL veronica and Glad about the tattoo!!!! Ya, I need to rethink that.... maybe a big happy face with a fancy script that says F**k You !!!!!But I have things to do, I can't stand in that old ladies yard all day !!! LOL
PC, get on the ball about that Vicodin...and let the family know by all means, what is going on.... drugs laying around is not a good thing... and even the family knows that..... are you going to talk to her yourself about leaving things undone????? I'd have to tell her all that stuff would be waiting for her next shift...I'm so tired of being a paid caregiver!!!!!!! so much damned work and no voice...... sure hope the family lets you know they value your concerns about the drug...... that is not a good sign..... let us know what happens.... sending you hugs...
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Today I feel like this will last forever. And then, of course, I feel guilty. People say it's a privilege; probably, but I think you might look at it like that when it's over. Is this fair to say?
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Jennifers... people that usually say that are not caregivers..... is it ever over... we seem to be stuck in Groundhog day....
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