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thanks for the welcome. I just find myself at the end of my tolerance rope a few too many times. Mom has always been addicted to a drama. If one isn't going on "naturally", she makes them up. She loves pitting one child against the other. she is very happy that way. she seems to enjoy other peoples unhappiness. And when she is the person making everyone miserable she is happy. We try to sleep in on the weekend, she is upstairs banging around when she feels we should be up. when hubby talks to her about trying to be alittle quiet, she will go into her bedroom, shut the door, and sulk. when I ask her what is going on she will say she is being forced to go back to her bedroom. Do all elders make up things such as that? Is that normal for them? this is a new twist to her pity party. Any help?
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Thanks jam and I will.she is going to a dr. In a weekin half. I live in colorao with my son who does help, but I also take care of him. He hashypoglycemis, which
Sometimes he has sezures. Six months ago I had a seizure. So I feel sandwiched in. I am 68 years old.
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I am a single older (55) woman taking care of my mother and stepfather. I live with them since my house was foreclosed on last year. I am a "fallen nurse" and only thank my loving heavenly Father that I'm not trying to hold down a full time hospice nurse position. If the only reason I became a hospice nurse was to understand and perform the duties for my mother and stepfather, it was worth it. I madew a mistake in my nursing career which may have cost me my nursing license. I'm not sure yet. Needless to say I've been under incredible stress over the past year and my stomach gets knotted whenever my mother denies that I told her something and gets furious (I mean her facial demeanor and her wicked words are coming from a woman I don't know.). She kicks me out of the house every other day. My stepfather used to be a "buffer" for me in dealing with her but he had a stroke a few weeks ago. I realize they are both scared to death, and they have become very paranoid. Is there anything I can do to preserve my own sanity?
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You are a saint...with a very healthy attitude.
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Gah! I am finding myself at that deep dark place no one wants to be in. I KNOW it will get better, just hate where I'm at right now. No worries, my hubs is in the next room. He might as well be on another planet.

I thought I was so in touch with sorrow regarding my dad, and how I deal with it in relation to my mom. I can't stand my mom for how she treated him when he was dying, and for many years before that.

She expects me to take care of her every whim, and I have, and I am soooo tired of it. I feel like a pimple, ready to pop. Lovely, not. Couldn't think of a better analogy.

My husband's aunt who is deep into Alz and no one is caring for her called last night. Geez! She told me my FIL is dying of ear cancer and I couldn't tell her differently. Why does all this stuff fall on me! I know I've posted about my hubs' Aunt Betty before. Gah! She has two kids that are in denial. She is a danger to herself and is seriously challenged as to her ADL's.

Maybe that phone call just put me over the top. i did call one of my SIL's to check on Aunt Betty as she is local.

Sometimes it's just too much. I love my mom, but she expects too much from me.

I'm sick and tired of it. I don't want to do this anymore.
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Becky, you a saint, but we are not perfect. Just today my mother was having a pity party and i got mad. My neurologisst told me that sometimes they act like a 5 year old. I think sometimes we have to treat them like that.
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Thanks jam and I will.she is going to a dr. In a weekin half. I live in colorao with my son who does help, but I also take care of him. He hashypoglycemis, which
Sometimes he has sezures. Six months ago I had a seizure. So I feel sandwiched in. I am 68 years old.
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Reddog, I'm sorry, that comment about training dogs wasn't aimed at you! I was just speaking in general. I was thinking more about people that get puppies and don't do anything with them. And then wonder later why issues are popping up.

Like the neighbor. Yes, it is vastly amusing to watch her running up and down the cul de sac, screaming her dog's name in an angry, frustrated voice, demanding it come to her, which of course, it doesn't....back and forth, back and forth, they both running up and down the cul de sac, through yards, etc.... I just watch in amazement. With the right training, that would never happen.

And speaking of animals, our big, fluffy cat, Fuzz, has to go to the vet this morning. I think he's got a UTI. From the research I've done, that's it in a nutshell. I'm very worried. A UTI in a cat can be very serious, or fatal. I think Fuzz is ok. He's been avoiding the litter box, and he peed on the floor this morning. God, I've never been so relieved to see that an animal peed on the floor! Late yesterday afternoon I noticed that he peed and it had blood in it. Since he is able to pee, I'm thinking it's not a full blown emergency, but I'll be happy to get him into the vet this morning. I know he's probably really uncomfortable and I want him to feel better. He's been skulking around and hiding, hissing if we get near him, just grumpy all around. He did come up to me for some snacks last night and he ate them all, so that's another good sign. Poor guy. Well, he'll feel better soon.

I'm sorry you guys are going through all this. At the same time I'm glad you are because hearing your stories made me realize I wasn't alone when I was caring for my mom.

I've always known that when my mom died, I would crash and burn. I've always feared my mom's death because of that. I've had armor on and defenses up, 24/7, around the clock for as long as I can remember. My whole life. I had to. You don't ever relax your guard with a narcissist. Only someone that's dealt with one can ever understand that. I've suppressed a lifetime of anger, rage, frustration and pain. I've swallowed my feelings again and again. When you deal with someone that enjoys degrading you and making you feel as stupid and inferior as possible, armor is an absolute must. I never took mine off. Letting my guard down around my mom would have been committing psychological suicide. She would have destroyed me mentally without all my defenses in place.

Right now, I'm in a dark place. I've always known this day would come and it's a dark, dark day. Having to deal with a lifetime of chaos and sheer exhaustion in dealing with the personality of a narcissist so long, now I'm worn the hell out. It's like I've been gritting my teeth and holding my breath for 48 years, dealing with my mom and her crazy s***.

I realize now why I've feared this day so badly, the time after my mom's death. I knew it would be rough and I knew it would be bad...but this place I'm in mentally sometimes is downright scary.

I'll be really happy when this stint in hell is just a memory and far behind me.
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SA... what ever it takes... when you feel in that dark place seek sunshine! You are a very special person and have much compassion and empathy for others...Try to recognize the triggers that throw you into the dark place. Sounds like there is some PTSD going on.... you will get through this.
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Lady Di at least when she is sulking she is quiet. Don't feel bad about treating her the same way she is treating you. What is her beef when you want to sleep in? Does she think she should get her breakfast at the usual time? if that is the case leave a tray outside her room the night before with coffee and a snack to keep her going and tell her firmly to please stay in her room and not disturb you. She is a guest in your home and should show some respect. caregiving is a two way street .
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Suze, then stop doing it ...... set some boundaries with your mom.... what is she going to do.... get pissy and demanding????? She 'll get over it... or not.... you HAVE to do something soon.... you are going 'round the bend and you CAN do something about this.....She is not making you do anything..... you are volunteering to be her welcome mat.... tough words.... ??? Yes, but I know you and I also know what is motivating you.... how is that working for you.....????
You know I love you and we've had this conversation before...... people treat us the way we let them..... especially in her case..... she is going to be angry and demanding whether you are there or not..... start large with her.... not baby steps.... make a list of things you WILL do, and on what day..... then to h*** with the rest of it..... as Lav says, TAKE CARE OF YOU !!!!! NO one is going to step in do this for you... this is part of your journey on this mudball..... do something as I know you can...... it's only GUILT..... and it's not even justified...... love you
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Red, how are you picking up your mom? My sister worked in a nursing home and showed us how to stand in front of Mom, pretend you are hugging her, (like a bear hug) with arms around her chest under her arms and lifting with our knees. Seemed less stressful for her and definitely easier for us...sorry if this is common procedure that I think is new info!

I am FURIOUS today. I had an aunt come in from out of town that has not seen, called or had ANY relationship with my mother for years...she didn't visit, she didn't chat with Mom..she just wanted to go throught her embroidery and 'buy' some stuff. I didn't think much about it at first, but she came rolling out with a stack of pillowcases, quilt tops, etc over twelve inches high...proud as a peacock of herself. She took EVERY LAST flower my mother embroidered...left just a few odds and ends. I said something about 'hey, Mom isn't embroidering anymore, that's all we have, please don't take EVERYTHING" and she sneered "I am not TAKING anything, I am BUYING it!" then gave my mother $20.

I am sick to my stomach over it. I bet you anything she is going to resell it or dump it in a box somewhere that will be sold at a garage sale when she dies herself!
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and the thing is....they were talking themselves yesterday about how Mother has dementia and doesn't know what she's saying...then she has the nerve to ask her to selll some embroidery. ...the vulture...she knows mom won't live much longer so she just came to pick her bones!
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Norest, no doubt. And thanks. :) I'm in the glooms, but my emotions are all over the place right now anyway. I just try and stay busy and do things that make me happy. I can tell that some baking will be in order today. lol

And as for this:

"thanks for the welcome. I just find myself at the end of my tolerance rope a few too many times. Mom has always been addicted to a drama. If one isn't going on "naturally", she makes them up. She loves pitting one child against the other. she is very happy that way. she seems to enjoy other peoples unhappiness. And when she is the person making everyone miserable she is happy. We try to sleep in on the weekend, she is upstairs banging around when she feels we should be up. when hubby talks to her about trying to be alittle quiet, she will go into her bedroom, shut the door, and sulk. when I ask her what is going on she will say she is being forced to go back to her bedroom. Do all elders make up things such as that? Is that normal for them? this is a new twist to her pity party. Any help?"

You're describing a narcissist.. Expect everything to be an uphill battle and expect lots of little battles if not outright war. It doesn't matter how frustrated you get, how outraged and how angry, your mom has no idea whatsoever what you're on about. How can a narcissist understand your frustration with their lack of respect for boundaries when boundaries don't exist in their minds to begin with?

With a narcissist, everything is a battle with them because they fully expect instant compliance and deference as their due, so it boils down to choosing your battles with them or there will never be a cease fire in your house.

In my own personal situation I simply went along most of the time with what my mom wanted. It was just easier that way for the most part, especially when alz kicked in. Most things aren't really worth fighting over, imo, so I just spent a lot of time gritting my teeth about a lot of piddly, petty crap that my mom got on about, every single damn day...

A right to privacy and a right to respect as another human being are fine examples. If my mom crossed lines that made me feel less than human, it was time to take a deep breath, wade in and....fight. If you want even a crumb of respect from a narcissist, or even a shred of humanity, you'd best be willing and able to go to all out war to get it. When you're dealing with the type of narcissistic personality like my mom's was, you will not have respect, privacy, or a moment's peace, unless you're willing to go to all out war if that what it takes and war takes a whole lot of energy. At least, it did for me.

You can't reason with a narcissist. You can't sit them down and explain, all nice and polite, exactly why crossing personal boundary lines, with you or anyone, isn't a great idea if you want to get along with the rest of humanity. You can't tell them that and expect them to actually get it. They won't understand a thing you're saying. You might as well be speaking gibberish. Actually, it's not that they don't get what you're saying, they certainly do understand plain English, it's that they don't WANT to get what you're saying. They tend to get angry and defensive if you try and explain why walking into your bedroom unannounced isn't the smartest...or most polite and right...thing to do. A narcissist doesn't give a damn about what's a smart move or not and what's right or not. They just want what they want. And they don't care what you call it. They don't want to hear that their behavior is wrong. They'll just accuse you of 'attacking' them 'for no reason'. You're going to fight for every inch with some of these types.

So, yeah. Life's a long trek up a mountain with a narcissist in your world. It takes backbone and strength to fight for your life sometimes, and for me that's just what it felt like. I'm weary of it. I'm glad I don't have to deal with that anymore.

I grieve my mom all the time. I grieve for a lot of things and for a lot of reasons. The loss of constant chaos and drama and having to deal with a constant ooze of negativity isn't one of them.

I don't envy you at all. It's tough dealing with these types all the time.
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Wantingtime, I just read your post...

What I really want to know is how that happened. I'm very curious. I can't imagine anyone just coming into my house and walking out with stuff. Especially someone I really didn't even know that well. I can't imaging BEING the person that just walks into someone's house, someone they've had no dealings with in years, and just feel entitled to their stuff.

Seriously, in that exact same situation here at my own house, all hell would have broken loose. It would have gotten REAL ugly. I can't imagine a situation like that not getting really ugly. I mean...seriously? Those are what I consider 'over the line' type situations. To me, what you're describing is someone utterly disrespecting you and spitting in your face, in your house. That's not acceptable from anyone, under any circumstances.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, bluntly, had some strange woman that I only knew from the distance suddenly, out of nowhere, showed up at my house unannounced, waltzed into my space, and suddenly started loading a shopping cart with not only what I consider my mother's things, and later to be MY things, I would have been in her face if that's what it took to stop her from walking out that door with even one scrap of material from my mother's stuff. Like I said, it would have gotten seriously bad had anyone ever tried that here. I don't get why it didn't get...tense... all things considered..
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Wanting time.... Sorry you had to go through that. What nerve and greed. Who is she to put a price on something like that? She will be back, I guarantee! You need to put something in writing about this and send it certified that under no circumstance is she to remove ANYTHING from the house. That is just horrible! If you don't set the boundary now, she will cross it next time!
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I guess I was just in such shock....I am going home this evening and straightening this out. I guess part of me feels that those things belong to Mother and she has a right to do what she wants with it but then on the other hand, she isn't in her RIGHT MIND. My aunt is still there, if she's still there, I am getting some of it back.
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If she's got mental issues, well, that's a different ball game. You can't really handle that situation the same as with someone that's in their right mind. Some people are indeed mentally ill enough to walk in and take stuff and think they have the right.

Years ago we had a neighbor like that. She had schizophrenia. If your doors weren't locked, she'd walk right into the house. If she had something in her hand when she left, well, Art, her hubs, brought it back later. We just started locking the doors.

We kept an eye out on her and if there seemed to be a problem we'd have to call hubs at work and then he'd come home and deal. I wasn't quite sure how to handle her, but I sensed aggression on our parts probably wouldn't be the greatest idea.

All you really can do is watch sometimes... If someone isn't all there, or in their right mind, well, then, you have to play that by ear as things come up...

Good luck with this.
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Wanting: I would get it all back and forbid that aunt to come anywhere near your home. She would not be allowed inside the door, period! I am sure you were dumbfounded with her actions. It brings back a memory for me somewhat similar - when my first husband died at the age of 32, one month after he passed, his BIL and sister came for a visit; I fixed lunch and then they asked for a rod and reel they had given him when he was 16. It's only a small thing, but I was a stranger in my own home that day; 4 young children the oldest 11, a boy. I gained my composure and politely said this: "he has more than one rod and reel and those will be for his children. I would not even know which one you gave him." Oh, they knew which one it would be if they could look at them. Needless to say, they left without looking and empty handed. Sometimes I think the gaul of people makes me think does no one have any sensitivities any more? It's hard enough to lose a loving husband and father at the age of 32, let alone dealing with dramatics. You are right to retrieve that special needle ware and keep it for you and people closer to your Mom who will really appreciate those things. Blessings, hugs and prayers. Hang tough. There are still good and caring people out there, especially on this site, God bless us everyone!
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Wanting, they are smart. You cannot accuse them of stealing because they will say they paid your mom. If you're able to get it all back, I would be the one to choose which one to keep and which one to sell. While doing that, TELL them Firmly that from now on, they are only allowed to be in the livingroom and the bathroom. If they go anywhere else in the home and take anything, they are no longer welcomed. When you have time, go through the house and put all valuables and keepsakes in a locked room. I'd be locking all the rooms when they visit. Because I'm sure they have their eyes on something else. Best to nip it in the bud now or they will take everything of value, even sentimental ones. Vultures.
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the sorry B***H insists she is taking all that needlework to 'make your mom HAPPY' and 'she'll leave tomorrow, and she's leave tonight if it wasn't for making my mom sad'...the B***H hasn't called or visited in years...but she's more loving than I am (I am just trying to start a fight you see)..mother is upset but what can I do? the ONE time she gets a visit and they can't even be real family for ONE visit. Why do people have to be such total a**es?
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it's all about 'what can I grab up' not 'let's visit and talk about old times with our sister the last time we get to see her'.
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Now they are packing up to leave tomorrow, cutting their visit short by six days, and my mother is in her room crying. My sisiter is saying to put her in assisted living and it's living with me that is making her have dementia. What a great weekend/visit this has turned out to be.
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My mom was happier this morning than I have seen her in a long time. I should not have said anything about the d**n embroidery.
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wanting, please don't beat yourself up for bringing up the embroidery. It is NOT YOUR FAULT! These are obviously greedy user relatives. Be glad they're leaving, even though it seems to be hurting your mom. They're just a blip on the radar and once they're gone mom will be okay. I can tell you're a loving daughter. Shame on them for their hateful words that you are causing mom's dementia. I feel bad for you, but none of this is your fault. I'd love to kick an insensitive lout like that in the arse. She defines B*tch!

Do not second guess yourself. You and your mom are better off without those people. ((Hugs))
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My dear Ladee Linda,

I do seem to fit the definition of insanity - doing the same crap over and over again expecting a different result.

Today is a better day, but not a thing has changed. Snow's still falling from the sky. Grrriffic big time.

Yeah, she's still got me under her thumb. On pins and needles waiting to hear what my Nazi state has decided on Vapor smokes. She will be banned on even using those indoors. Don't even want to know what the nicotine withdrawal will bring. Minnesota - the state where nothing is allowed. Hate this place and their nanny state mentality. I hear you have some room in Texas! When my kid's done with college I will be headed your way!
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Wanting: take care of yourself and your Mom first. It's all about "stuff" to your aunt. How she went about just taking it is wrong. If she has not seen her sister for a long time I would think she would want to visit with her and talk about old times growing up. The reason your Mom is crying is that exact thing - she was expecting a real visit which she did not get. The disruption for your Mom is her sister, not you - and don't let anyone put that on you - and as someone previously said, your Mom will be o.k. in a few days. Get her mind off of this episode doing something special with/for her. Assisted living will come soon enough, but she is still better off with you at home than anywhere else. Take care of yourself first - please. Hugs.
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Hospice team came and evaluated MIL today...all the paperwork has been filled out...they will replace her durable medical supplies (hospital bed and oxygen concentrator) that are not paid off and she will have no charge...they will also supply her diapers...yeah!!! I've been ordering them from L.A. to get the ones that are absorbent enough to hold her through the night. Getting us a hoyer lift so it will be in place as needed. They have respite care available too but I would not way to leave her with strangers now...she would be more confused than ever and it would last for days...any way things will be in place as this progresses so she won't be suddenly bombarded with a lot of strangers and I will have a chance to catch my breath once in a while...Hugs to all...this is like being on a down hill train that keeps going faster and someone is up ahead greasing the tracks...
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awww, Red ::sends hugs:: I went there, too, with my mom. At least my Dad was there and we shared the caregiving responsibilities. Our hospice was amazing. Hope your experience with the providers is caring and positive, just remember that it's about comfort and quality, at this point. They'll likely find a way to help with the aggravations, too. What amazed me, with my mom, was how long (comparatively) that she managed to hang on. I hope you don't mind a word or two of advice. The best part of this process, for me, was about letting go .. of past hurts, the pain and turning every moment possible into loving moments. I'll never regret being there for those. ::super hugs:: Remember to BREATHE.

LadeeC
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You can.t even buy the material for what my aunt bought that needlework for
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