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Hospice nurse has been here twice today...started MIL on morphine for pain...between that and her anti anxiety pills she will not be feeling much of anything from here on out...so very grateful that they have meds to keep her comfortable now...
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Well, today was totally a bummer. Daughter had bone marrow biopsy. Looks like the stem cell transplant has not been successful. They want to do more chemo and I would not sign the papers. She's all inflated on steroids, heart is in tachycardia most of the time. Kidneys and Liver not working right. Confused like a dementia patient, but she is only 32. No memory. Can't make decisions. Refuses PT and RT. Won't eat or drink what she should. I don't think putting her on Vidaza and Revlimid can defeat the MDS if the stem cells couldn't. When do you just say "No more chemo" ?
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Pam: One thing about us caregivers... we hurt too when we hear such sadness. We become like one large family. We care... thats why we are called "caregivers" Life makes no sense sometimes as we have to see the suffering others have to endure.
I wish I could take away your pain... praying.
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Pam...I'm so sorry, I think we expect to have to make decisions like that for our parents or possibly even a spouse...not our kids...prayers for you and her...
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Pam, the most important thing to remember when it comes to anything that's terminal... "Quality of Life" for what little time she has left.

My 10 yr old niece had bone cancer. They cut off her leg. The cancer had already spread to her chest/lungs. Every scheduled chemo (Radiation?), she got weaker and weaker. The last chemo was too much for her. She had completely lost her appetite, and even to sip water caused her to throw up. Her mom decided to take her to the ER when she kept throwing up (heaving nothing) and couldn't stop. Her heart stopped enroute. ER docs spent 30 minutes trying to jumpstart her heart. Imagine, that being your last thought in life - throwing up, feeling miserable. That was the one thing that stood out for me. Poor girl...

Pam, I'm so sorry that you're facing this. I'm also sorry for your daughter. 32 is still so young.
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Pam I am so sorry. I think you know the answer to your question. It is NOW. Your daughter has already made her decision even if on most levels she is not capable.
Drs especially Oncologists are famous for not facing the truth and doing what is best for the patient. That as you know, is why it is called "comfort care" make whatever time she has left peaceful and pain free. I can not imagine what it is like to loose a son or daughter especially when you have to stand by and watch helplessly as they decline. You are such a strong woman I know you will do it with comfort and grace.
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Oh Pam how do you cope. You're daughter is a lucky lady to have you for her Mom. My heart aches knowing your family has been living with her disease for so long...

I hope you can make peace with your decision and know that I will be here to support you.. HUGS MY AC FRIEND!!!
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Pam, I agree with you... if it were my son, I would make the same choice.... this is the hardest thing you will ever have to do in your life... tho we all are cyber friends.... you are not alone... prayers for her journey to be painless and we are here for you...
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Well, I have heard MrM's stories 500 times now.... and have seen 'Swamp People' reruns until I cringe..... I finally just get out my book and start reading until they go to bed.... having to witness the family dynamics is unavoidable, but I go pet the cat in the back room.... The oldest daughter is a martyr and makes me tired, but I just smile and say uh huh......I thought about all of you about three this morning... so many going thru such a hard time... was outside smoking and looking at the stars..... said a prayer for all of you... and extra for those loosing loved ones...... thank God we have each other..... hugs to all of you.
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Can't handle just sitting and waiting doing nothing...Mom hasn't been to use the part of the master bath closed off by a door (that now has to be rehung) where the shower and toilet are for several months now...it's close enough for easy communication so today I tore into it while she slept...had husband replace the light fixture and I scrubbed it from top to bottom...had him pick up new blinds for in there too. I had bamboo roll ups before but they are dust catchers that are hard to keep clean. I have a faux paint technique in there that I don't want to paint over so it's all been scrubbed with pine sol...he took the side bars off of the toilet and now we can put the shower doors back up too. Once he rehangs the door we can use that bathroom again and take some of the wear and tear off of the front one. Every time Mom wakes she starts moaning Help me help me...I can't see....Help me...we try to sooth her but it keeps up till her anxiety meds kick and put her to sleep again...either that or Help me...we ask what she needs and she says she doesn't know or she can's say it...then starts all over again with...help me, help me, help me...she sounds so pitiful but there is not a thing we can do about it...I've tried soothing lotion on her, back rubs, music, holding her hand...both of us holding her hands at the same time till she drifts back to sleep...she says nothing hurts, but she said that yesterday then suddenly said it did...the morphine knocked her out so she may be trying to avoid that too...one minute she seems clear as day and the next she doesn't know where she is...
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Red: know my prayers are with you all. This is the beginning of the end of her journey; holding her hand, telling her you love her, and it's o.k. to go meet her other loved ones who have gone before. Keep her as calm as you can and don't let the meds wear off - give them oftener if necessary. Blessings.
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Thank you all for your kind words.
Bookluvr, that is just the scenario I want to avoid, and Veronica is right, they just don't know when to quit. They don't know when more is too much. The treatments are worse than the disease if you let them keep going. This doctor hates me, hates my questions, resents anyone who dares to suggest anything. He actually puts his nose in the air and arrogantly waves his palm across the room trying to silence me. I call it the Wetzler Wave. The nurses say he is brilliant and dedicated. I say he has tunnel vision.
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Reddog... my heart goes out to you. It really is the beginning of the end. This will be the hardest thing you will do in your life. Just know that you have done everything you can for her. You are a FANTASTIC daughter-in-law! Not many would do this. Most won't even do this for their own blood kin. You are AWESOME!

Pam... I am so sorry you and your daughter are going through this right now. 32 is so young! Big hug.
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And how weird is it that I have access to my old account on my laptop... but I cannot access it on my desktop? LOL... too funny! This is my old account... the one I couldn't find on my home computer!
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Pam, when my niece got diagnosed with cancer, they immediately applied for her passport so that she can begin treatment in the Philippines (much cheaper than here in the USA.) She spent several months there. When they ran out of money via the insurance Max coverage, they came back home to continue her treatment. When niece with her daughter met one of the head cancer doctors here on island, he got angry that they came back home when her daughter had a fever. The Philippines' docs should have searched the reason for the fever. (Understandable when the money runs out, why would the foreign doctors continue treatment on a foreigner whom they may never get paid for it?) Anyway, my niece said that The Doctor Yelled at Her. He made her feel as if she was a bad mother, etc... She told me straight out that she was scared of him. So, as her daughter continued her treatment, and she got weaker and weaker, she asked if they can stop treatment until her daughter got better. No. There is a set schedule that must be done when you do these treatments. So, she did not make a stand. I truly believe that she was so terrified of that cancer doctor, that she would do whatever he wanted. Even if it meant continuing the treatment when her daughter was obviously too weak for the next treatment.

Laura, I had that happen to me. I couldn't access AC from one computer, but I had access on the other one. Then one day, there was a glitch on AC, and I got kicked out. When I tried to sign back in, I couldn't. So, I sent AC an email and asked them for my password. Yep, I was off by a few numbers. That was I couldn't sign in.

Red, thinking of you and your husband. As I read your words, I was imagining it. That must be really heart wrenching to hear her pleas for help, and the lost sound of her voice.
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Red thinking of you....hugs..
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It's 3:00 am and I'm reading everybody's posts. I guess I'm ok cause I laughed when I read about poop. Other than that I'm frazzled and sad - I know I can't save my folks but I want to make their time left on earth count. I honestly can't think anymore about who I used to be or what I used to dream about. No siblings and nobody close who cares, why do care so much about what people think. Is that what lonliness is?
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With a name like Sunnygal I assume you're generally a cheery person..LOL.. You laughed at poop so I know you're going to bounce back soon..😁

You have us here on AC to talk with. We're all in the same boat.
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Sunny I read a quote the other day. "Happiness is making the most of what you have"
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Ah, Reddog....your post made me cry. I feel so sorry for your mil. I'm just so glad you guys are there. Thank God for that. And I'm very glad to know that there's no physical pain.

This will be one of the hardest things, if not THE hardest thing, you'll ever deal with in this lifetime.

I'm really beginning to understand why people cut themselves. When you deal with pain and grief and sadness and despair that's so intense it feels like a white hot burn inside your whole body, it makes you a little crazy. When I had to watch my mom go through alz, especially that last month, I wanted to shriek and scream and pound the walls. I felt like I wanted to tear my hair out, claw my face, do something, anything, physical to stop that unholy pain.

I always knew the day of reckoning would come. I always knew the day would come when I'd be left alone with a lifetime of unresolved and unacknowledged pain. And I feared it. It's loomed over me my whole life, that pain. And now it's here after my mom is gone...

I spent 48 years of my life one pissed off bitch. Why? Because being a pissed off b***h was a whole lot better than the alternative, a sobbing, twitching wreck curled into a ball in the corner. My mom would have broken me like a toothpick had I not had defenses up.

Those defenses are now crumbling around me. No matter how I try to suppress, suppress, suppress that pain, it's getting stronger and it's claws are like razor blades. What I've spent my whole life looking away from, the pain, the fear, the anger my mom poured into my soul without mercy. The lack of affection. The lack of closeness. The lack of love. The lack of caring. The lack of respect. The lack of smiles. The lack of laughter. The lack of peace. The lack of joy. The lack of hugs. The lack of happy, shared moments. So, so much lacking in our relationship. And I bled. Every single Fing day, day after day, year after year, for 48 years I bled internally and nobody ever knew. Certainly not my mom. I would have slit my own throat before I ever allowed her to know she could hurt me. But d**n, did I rage. And I hated myself for that rage, that anger, that evil. But at the same time, it was my salvation. I don't hate my mom. I never did. It felt like it. But that was just more armor. And I had 100 feet of steel and granite, aka RAGE, around me my whole life.

So sorry everyone. So confused. So much PAIN. I feel I'm literally being consumed and eaten alive. It takes everything I've got to keep standing and keep going.

I've been avoiding AC because of all the PAIN here. I feel so raw that sometimes it feels like I can't take one single thing more that's painful or sad, not even a drop of it, or I'll crack like an egg. Sometimes I feel so filled with grief and sadness that it seems I should start seeing cracks all over my body from the intense pressure of it.

I'll heal. I'll get over it. I have to.

Peace today to you guys. *hugs you guys* Stay strong. I hope the day is a good one for all of you and your charges.
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SA I understand your avoiding AC. You need time to heal. When you're ready we'll be here... Hugs..?
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Jam - Yes... it's difficult... very difficult... What's helped me is finally realizing that I had to get back into the mainstream of life... and find some kind of 'normal' again... I know this isn't easy, because we don't realized that our 'normal' in caregiving slowly changes us and everything/everyone around us... So, I jumped into 'life' again (while still caring for my mother)... but, I'm finding time for myself to get out... literally... to meet new people (started a neighborhood caregiving support group at a nearby restaurant through a site called Nextdoor... This is a site nationwide (I believe) or you can start one by posting at a community center, local newspaper(?) or by word-of-mouth. As we baby-boomers are aging there's going to be more and more need to come together and a 'local' (neighborhood) support group is a great way to maintain your sanity... just a suggestion
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Pam and Red, my heart goes out to you. SA I could have written that post myself as it's the story of my life as well.. Although my mother is in a NH and I changed my phone number, visiting brings it all back and unhinges me every time. I visited yesterday and the rest of my day was a blur of misery. I have to go one day next week as it's her birthday but after that I'll visit infrequently.

Heart that is my plan, now the awful winter has gone, to start getting out, meeting new people and doing new things. My life stopped five years ago so, apart from my beloved dogs, my world right now is totally empty. I'm not sure I remember what "normal" actually is.
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So much pain on such a beautiful day. The sun is shining and the crows are making a h**l of a noise. If that's a mating call I am glad I am not a crow.
My Mum has been dead now over thirty years. I never had to care for her and wasn't present when she died. I did not want to see her after she died and I am still glad that I did not. I didn't want that image in my eyes for the rest of my life. I can still see her face but feel no loss and no affection. I don't believe she was capable of it as she had never had it. The youngest of 8 she was raised by an older sister and merged into a familly of about twelve with her mothers second marriage which i suspect was one of conveniece with so many young children to care for. I only met step grand dad once and never remember him speaking. He had a limp and a big built up shoe for his club foot. I never talked to my grandma because she had had a stroke by the time I met her and could not speak. She did smile at me when i played with her paralysed arm. I was about three and fascinated with that. I would pick it up and drop it. No one ever told me to stop even though they were right there in the room sitting at the kitchen table under the air raid shelter - my mother and my aunts. I don't know if I hurt grandma or not because she just kept smiling. There was no affection in the room non to give and none received. So sad
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SA... I've been in the same place as you. As everyone knows I have been absent much of the last few months. Much of that has been due to pain, also due to my inability to deal with mother's death and the guilt associated with her death. It took some time to face that I did everything I could for her, and more than anyone else. It isn't my fault she died. In fact, she lived longer because of the care she received from me than she would have done otherwise. I miss my mom. I know we had a love/hate relationship, but she was my mom. I know you feel the same way about your mom. Sending you big hugs!
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Veronica, as I read your words, I felt sadness. Sadness because it rang within me. Our parents had 9 children. 1 died during the typhoon (child #3). I don't ever recall any affections from our parents. No hugs, no encouragements, no touching (Innocent touches), etc... I remember Nana. She was sooo funny. She used to take turns living at each of her children's home. When she came to our home, we all fought to be seated on her lap. I was in elementary at the time. She was the one who showered us with affections, hugs, touches. But, she was sooo naughty! She would take off her upper dress, then take her sagging boobs, and flip it over her shoulder. Hmmm.... maybe not so funny now that I'm an adult. I don't know if she had dementia. I just know that she was very very old, with that round apple wrinkled face, sagging arms (she loved to raise her hand and wiggle it to make us laugh). I always thought she spoke only our native language and No English because the whole time she spent with us, she would shake her head if we spoke to her in English. She was the one who tried to teach me to speak our native language not my parents. But, then one day, she stopped hopping around and stayed put with one daughter. And that was the end of my language lesson. I just learned recently from oldest bro that Nana spoke perfect English! Up to now, I still do not comprehend my native language. I'm totally 'Americanized' and 'shame' on me for not knowing how to speak my language!

I couldn't help it. I giggled about you picking grandma's paralyzed hand and then dropping it. That's what brought to my mind of Nana. Depending on the personalities, I think grandmothers make the grandkids get away with lots of stuff. I don't ever recall any of my aunts/uncles/parents showing Nana any affections. Only us kids seem to fight over her. Thank you for sharing your story. It also made me go down memory lane with my grandmother.
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Only child of elderly parents. My mom has cancer and my dad is the primary caregiver but is not in the best of health himself. I work full time but as only child I feel very overwhelmed by all there is to do. The house is very run down and has so much clutter I dont know where to begin to clear it out? My mom has not been able to make it to the bathroom so I find feces on the chair she sleeps in and the bathroom has feces everywhere. I know this is a sacred time with my parents because my mom is dying and once she is gone my dad will not last long. Everyday I go to help them with great intentions and then end up overwhemed and frustrated. My mom refuses any outside help as she does not want strangers in her house. Also she will not plan her funeral cause she will be dead so who cares. I love my parents but I do resent them at times and wonder if anyone else feels this way? after the resentment comes guilt. I know loosing your parents is a part of life and everyone goes thru it yet it is much harder then I imagined.
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B1, It is so hard on you. The incontinence has to be addressed. She needs depends. My mother in law used to wear girdles.We had to finally remove all underwear and girdles out of her drawer and replace with depends. She has long forgotten about the other. Since you work fulltime, you can not be in two places at once. They all refuse in home help, but will get used to it. You'd be amazed how having someone start out a few hours/day can relieve some of your burden. Its time to discuss a change with parents. The fact your mother can no longer clean up after herself shows a diminished capacity to do her own hygeine. My mother in law can no longer clean up after her incontinence and forgets to wash hands......She gets recurrent urinary tract infections (UTI's) because stool gets into her tract. Many things to look out for with an already compromised immune system.
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Red it is so great your husband is on the same page with you-isn't great to have a good man in your corner-my late husband would often say he hated me-my honey amazes me how nice he is-I do tell him that I appreciate him.
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SA in time you will be all right -my mom never liked me when I was young she told me that when I was very young a toddler-my dad would make a fuss over me when he got home from work-that made her a bitter angry women right up until she passed at almost 94 years-how sick was that-she made my life miserable.
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