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CM, when my doctor told me that I needed to take calcium, I did research on it because when I got to the store, there was different kinds of calcium. I didn't know which one to buy. So I researched it. Calcium Citrate can be taken with or without food. Calcium carbonate be taken with food. Now, which mg should I buy? My doctor said that I needed a minimum of 1200mg a day, I bought the 1200mg. Then as I researched, I found out that our body can only absorb 600mg at a time. Therefore, they recommend that you take 2 600mg at separate times. I didn't know which calcium to take - so I asked the pharmacist. She pointed out Caltrate and she said that I needed to drink 6-8 ounces of water. What I have noticed that the longer I took calcium, I started to get these really sharp pain on my lower right back. I usually get this pain when I take medicine too long. So, I stopped taking Calcium. Then a few months later, went back to taking it, stopped when the lower back pain came back,...even drinking lots of water did not prevent the pain.

Glad, when my dad was taking calcium, he insisted that I buy the Calcium-Magnesium-Zinc mix. He took separately, the tiny vit.D supplement. According to my research at the time, calcium causes calcification in your body. Therefore, it recommended that we take it with Vit.D. But magnesium is good too because it helps counteract the calcium's calcification. Hence my dad's insistence for the calcium-magnesium-zinc. I don't know much about why zinc is important.

I just googled Vit.K and calcium. Calcium causes calcification - in the arteries. The Vit.K protects against cardiovascular disease. Vit.D helps our body absorb the calcium. But, the problem is .. if you start taking all these different pills, you will end up like my dad - too many individual supplements - which clashes - and then you get these huge rashes (hives.)
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Glad - wish I'd thought of that! - "Burn Before Reading", eh?

Book, if you're getting right lower back pain after taking those heavy-duty calcium supplements for a while, should you get your kidney function checked out, do you think? And aren't you a bit young to need them for osteoporosis? Weight-bearing exercise, a balanced diet and sufficient sunshine should see you right, shouldn't they? You're only a young wee thing, you lucky girl!

Glad, you're right, it is mainly absorption conflicts that are the problem, I think; but possibly also kidney overload - mother's got stage IV renal failure, and do you know I'm beginning to wonder if all these years of blithely ignoring the instructions have possibly exacerbated the problem, oh woe… Not caused it, I'm sure compared to her heart disease and those meds a bit of tinkering around with dietary supplements is a spit in a bucket; but as they say every little helps. I'll rethink the timetable and see what we can do. Bugger it.
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Book, you're being terribly hard on yourself about your mother. Come on, be fair. Your father looked after her as long as he could, but once she was too frail and ill he needed you to take over. With the 13 years v less than 1 year comment, you're comparing apples and oranges, you know. Not Fair.

Hm. I don't know, but it sounds to me as if your dad would like help to get the pressure off you. Isn't he expecting you to be pleased, that he's trying to gee up the social services people to get their acts together? I understand that you'd be a bit pessimistic about how fast anything might happen; but again, this doesn't read to me like anybody thinking that your caregiving is anything less than great. You're more than a good caregiver, and I can't believe that anyone who knows your family doesn't know that. And - you never know! - maybe this time they'll get somewhere. Fingers crossed.
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Have to comment on the calcium -- I don't have a lot of money, so I just use the calcium antacid pills (like Tums) when I'm concerned about getting enough calcium. They have calcium carbonate, same as many of the more expensive supplements. Usually I don't worry about calcium, since I'm a milk/cheese/ice cream lover. People like me keep the dairy cows busy -- poor girls.
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Crazy, you are such a sweet person. I have to say that there is no way I would do this for a bf, especially when the sister is a stone throw away. You must really love this guy. I have to admit I would throw this fish back -- too scaly. How long have you been together?
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JessieBelle, I miss drinking milk. I love eating cereal. The lactaid pills only works if I don't insist on eating cereal/milk on a daily basis. Same applies for ice cream. I have found that Dreyer's is the best ice cream for someone who is lactose intolerant in a mild way. I've pushed the envelope until I knew what would be the painful stage of severe stomache cramping and diarrhea all day. I have to stop eating 2 1/2 box of ice cream in 2 weeks. I've learned to spread out the 1 box. So far so good. FYI, milk is Not one of the best sources for calcium. Due to my lactose intolerance, I had to research other sources since I hate taking pills. Sardine with the bone, the real yogurt (not the sweetened version), cheese, cereal with Fortified calcium (same applies with OJ with fortified calcium), tofu and salmon, etc.... They say soy But the latest news is that it's not a good source of calcium because the body has a harder time absorbing it. I heard about the Tums but I was worried about taking too much antacid pills unnecessarily.
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Crazy, does any of his parents have income? Have you tried making phone calls to the elderly division of your local government. They usually have one. Call and ask for help or referrals. My dad was able to get meals-on-wheels for lunch from Mon-Fridays. He enrolled mom in a research study, in return, they provided limited supplies for free (pampers, etc...) and 1 hour caregiver respite a week. He also called the local/federal program that provides 4 hours caregiving so that the caregiver can go and do whatever they want. Just call and ask for referrals to other programs.

If they have money, you can apply for one of them to go to adult daycare -but don't call it 'daycare.' Call it by some other name.

And the most important thing to consider - how much does this relationship with your boyfriend means to you? How much does he appreciate and value you - not as his parents caregivers - but as his girlfriend? My mom was diagnosed with dementia when I was age 23. She was bedridden the last 13 years of her life. About 5 years (?) she was a complete vegetative state. That means I was helping caregiving mom for about 24 years. My question to you - are you prepared to spend about 5 - 11 years of life caregiving his parents by yourself? Your boyfriend needs to see you as his love of his life - and not his parents caregivers. If he truly appreciates you in the romantic way, he would agree to find ways to help you help his parents. Not leave it all on your shoulders.
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Most people don't need too much extra calcium. Many foods, e.g. kale, parsley, spinach, and meats, are rich in calcium. If the blood test people have with their physicals show the calcium level is fine and there is no sign of osteoporosis, I wouldn't worry. And I have to admit that I would never take one of the drugs given to prevent osteoporosis. Those drugs scare me.

When I take the Tums-like pills I only take one at a time -- like one standard size in the morning and one in the evening. Most of the time I don't take them at all. My bones may not be as solid as they were when I was young, but the rest of my body is also not as solid. :)
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8 years ago at age 49, I was diagnosed with osteoporosis. The culprit was being extremely low in vitamin D which helps with the absorption of calcium and testosterone which for men helps with the building of bones. I'm no longer taking fosamax with D, but I am still on vitamin D supplement, calcium citrate with D which is not constipating like pure calcium tablets are and testosterone supplement for my pituitary gland is no longer telling my body to make it. I get periodic tests for osteoporosis, but I've been free of it for years. I say all this to say that there can be several reasons for osteoporosis beyond just a lack of calcium in one's diet. Also, the sun screen industry has scared people to the point that we don't get enough sunshine. Between 9 am - 3pm, it only takes 15 minutes of sunshine on bare forearms to produce the vitamin D that the body needs.
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Crazy, oh my, do not move them with you, she will never let you hear the end of it. Insist on medications for her nastiness. Insist on aides for Dad's care, including a visiting nurse, PT, OT and bath aide. His MD can write orders for that. Look into Assisted Living for the two of them. You are too kind.
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Crazy, I feel every single word you're saying. Your life was my life, only it was one person and my mom I dealt with.

And you're dealing with two people? And the bf is out to sea? And you're dealing on your own? And the bf's sister doesn't want to step up? And they're moving close to you soon? And you already know ahead of time that you're going to have this responsibility put on your shoulders? You already realize that your bf is going to expect you to bear this burden?

Bwhhahahahahahahaaaahahaha! That is so, so funny. What a freaking riot! When demons take up ice skating in hell I'd assume that heinous responsibility for someone not of my blood. I'd walk. What boyfriend? It's not like he's around anyway. I'd walk and he'd have to man up and deal before any man in the world put that on me. The end.

I've been there. I know what's coming. Never in a million years. I'd run screaming for the hills.

You might want to give this whole situation...and your relationship....some serious thought before you're in over your head. And without help, you will be. Real quick.

I wish I could pretty it up for people. I wish I could talk about how positive the whole long, endless journey was, how much I learned from it, how grateful I was for certain aspects of it....and really, I did learn a lot and I am grateful for a lot....but that's not what I remember most of the time, unfortunately.

No, I remember the horror. The fear. The sadness. The anguish at having to watch another human being, any human being, degenerate in such god awful ways. . .

My mom suffered and I had to watch. Every single day felt like emotional torture. Having to bear witness to those atrocities, day after day, month after month, year after freaking never ending year.... And no matter how rung out you are, no matter how sick or how tired...you can't stop. You can't walk. You can't escape. Somehow, someway, all of you guys find it in you to keep standing up...and up...and up.... over and over and over.... A lot of people couldn't. So kudos everybody...

Take care and stay strong...
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Crazy you remind me of my cousin's wife. I used to marvel at her energy levels too, and the thickness of her skin. Well! - the good news is she's still with my cousin after more than 30 years, their two boys are grown up and thriving, and he's still away at sea a lot and she still keeps herself busier than a whole hive of bees. The bad news is that I have never been able to figure out what was in this marriage for her. The only conclusion I can come to is that, of course, for some people devoting their lives to others is what makes them happy. And if that's true for you, then I take my hat off to you and call blessings down on you. Just please promise that you will, every so often, check that YOU'RE looked after, too.
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CM some people are born to serve and unfortunately I am one of them!

Crazy, your bfs dad may be a wonderful man but he is not your wonderful man. I am sure he is truly appreciative of all you do for both of them but is he paying you well? i ask this because you must be young and wonder waht your future will hold when bf comes home from sea and finds not a fun young chick but someone that looks 15 years older with straggly hair no make up and the grey hairs advancing at an alarming rate. Don't you think he may be tempted to find a newer model even if it is on the quiet. Feeling as you do where will you find the energy for romance when the minute you hit the bed your lights go out until mother comes and screams at you for not walking the dog? it is not a pretty picture Crazy and the woman needs to be placed even if you continue to care for the father. he may be in his right mind until he dies and be pleasant co operative and grasteful but he is going to need a great deal of physical care in his final years. Just my thoughts. Blessings.
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How am I doing today? Well it has been a week from hell, not I hasten to say the kind of hell most people endure because hubby would dispute my roll as care giver. he had surgery on Mon, nothing serious but we had to leave at 4-30 am and he switched to using his car at the last minute, which is new and I have never driven but I feel I can drive most things without instruction. He had to be in recovery 31/2 hours because he has sleep apnea then came the drive home and I don't need to describe the back seat driving that went on . "You are doing 56, there;'s a 35 comming up, the police hide round this bend" then he was constantly fiddling with the display, reprogramming the GPS ( I do knopw the way home) and on and on.
Well on Wed morning around 3am I hear a call from the kitchen "Veronica I am in trouble" I found him on the floor by the fridge claiming to be paralysed. I am weak and weight 123 and he weighs 240 !!!!! Anyway I coached him up haveing asked if he wanted 911 Once up I had him walk behind me hanging his arms over my shoulders and got him onto a chair then fetched his cane which he never uses. he has slowly recovered his strength and when we saw the surgeon on Friday he said this happens a lot after anesthesia. hubby called the neurologist when it first happened and he did get two call back but did not find the phone fast enough. now he is mad becaus the Dr did not make more effort. It clearly tells you in the instructions if this is an emergency call 911 and I am assuming that hubby's message that he was 90% paralysed would have been considered an emergency by most people. Not me I am afraid because I manage to keep calm under most conditions -well at least that is how I am able to present myself even if my heart stopped beating ten minutes ago. I learnt that as a Hospice nurse when I would get to a home and 20 family members were milling around yelling "fire" and everyone is too paniced to pick up the fire extinguisher. I would part the crowd get to the patient even as I knew there was nothing I was going to be able to do and then direct the crowd to do something. Get a bowl of water , put the kettle on, fetch some clean sheets, tie the dog up clear the path, call the county, here are the keys some one move my car (I knew the funeral home would have to be called within the hours) and get the snow plow out here. That is why people say it takes a special person to be a hospice nurse. Not because you are especially compassionate, not upset by caring for the dieing, have all kinds of comfort tricks up your sleeves or know how to use the meds but because you can keep calm or at least give that appearance and think out side the box. Not patting myself on the back just explaining why so many nurses burn out in hospice in the first year and I was able to last ten and the best of my former colleagues are up to 20 now. It is a gift but it is the gift of self confidence.
Anyway I am totally exhausted
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Crazy your last post shows you have a good sensible head on your shoulders. can you get bf's Dad to hire some help for you. Mom is just going to have to put up and shut up if you at least get someone in to do the cleaning and take care of the yard. just tune her out if you have to. tell he it is going to be done this way or she and her husband are headed for a NH till he is well enough to cope with her again (if he ever is) your gut is telling you loud and clear that natural caregiver or not this is not the life for you. Even when fit again father will have become so dependent on you for support he will not want to let you out of his sight. Seperate living quarters are just not going to cut it. You are looking at years and years of caregiving not just a few months.
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Veronica, as I was reading your post, I was thinking, "Oh, no! Her hubby is getting worse." Hopefully it is just the anesthesia that caused him to be shaky on his legs. Yeah, I can see how that would make a nurse be the best nurse - one who doesn't panic, can think, and solve problems. {{Hugs}}
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The govt caregiver said something to dad yesterday. I came home and was surprised that his shoes were off, and his blanket not covering his legs. My dad always complains about being cold. I tried to cover his legs and he just go sooo angry with me. He said that the govt caregiver told him that if he keeps covering his legs, something, something (mumbling), they will cut off his legs. So, throughout the evening, I would touch his legs and it was freezing cold. I kept trying to get him to cover it. Nope.

Before going to bed lastnight, I covered him with his regular fleece blanket, a large towel on top, then another fleece blanket. He was getting mad at me, cussing me out, and the last I saw before falling asleep, he was trying to kick it all off. I woke up this morning, the blankets, towels were on the floor. And his legs were soooo cold, icy cold. Tonight, it was the same. But this time, I kept telling him that if his legs freezes, it would stop circulation, and they would have to cut his legs off. He agreed for only 1 blanket. I think, tonight, just before I go to bed, I will sneak another blanket on top of his legs.
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Book, FUNNY! Though you probably don't think so. Here, L, always complains of being cold, we have so many lap robes around here, but he refuses, flat out refuses to use them. I thought it was because of fear of damage to gonads or something. Now I have no freaking idea! LOL! Maybe I should tell him that his legs could freeze, then they would have to be cut off. ;)
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Ha! It worked with dad. And I did cover his legs with another blanket. Okay. 1am. Time to sleep not talk.
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Book, I wonder what was said that your dad got hold of the wrong end of the stick about? Something to think about tomorrow - sleep tight!
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CM, you are right about the report being informative kind of stuff. The thing is, this respite organization, the govt caregiver program are all very integrated with APS. They work very closely with one another. I will not take lightly any reports made - because it's all going to be filed - along with what I discussed with the gov't sponsored therapist I was seeing. /// She wanted to make sure that I was aware of these things, thanked me for updating her on it, I'm right that I cannot force him to do something he refuses. Atleast I was aware of all these things and I've done my best to address it. She then thanked me for being a great caregiver and daughter. //// Whew! I passed with flying color on my first report. Please let it be my last one, too!! Thanks, CM and Glad
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Of COURSE you passed with flying colours! I should think so! Glad you're feeling happier about it - and very glad the therapist had the sense and presence of mind to congratulate you, too :)
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CM, boy my name comes up a lot.;-)

Books, it is a shame that APS and others like them sometimes have to get involved. But what is very difficult to keep in perspective is that they are looking out first for the elder, then the caregiver. They understand how difficult this Rask is.

So, Book, great! And next time, remember that the SW is to help you to. I am very relieved that Mom has her guardian! She is in my corner all the way, as she sees that Mom is receiving excellent care.
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Yeah, my name comes up a lot too (but not as much as yours). It would be fine if everyone capitalizes my name so that I can distinguish name vs. a real book. Of course, it's partly my fault because I don't capitalize it in the first place. I wonder, if I capitalize it now, would it mess up my messages? Let me give it a try....
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I need to reset it. I'd rather not do so. Time to go to sleep....
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Really bad sinus/migraine. I'm trying to rest after dinner and poop smelling all over the livingroom. I followed my nose. Sis did NOT throw away dad's poop/pamper when the home care nurse changed his pamper at 630pm today. Hello?!!!!?? How difficult is it to bend over, pull up the plastic, tie it and throw it in the pamper bin? I just finished eating a full meal, with a raging headache and the thought of bending over with my nose too sensitive to smell, to empty it. But, I'm going to have to do it since the poop smell is irritating me like crazy. I can't relax. Needed to vent...squinting while I'm typing. Laptop light is hurting my eyes. Later....

Bro sent me a text wondering if everything's okay. We're all fine. Our island's infrastructure was made to withstand typhoons and earthquakes. When I'm feeling better, I'll update you on my experience of having a 6.something earthquake occurring. Later....
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Book you had an earthquake there? 6. Something? That is pretty big. Hope all is well with you and family.
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Book, just looked it up the media is saying it was 7.1.
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Congratulations Book on passing your assessment even though i am sure no one here doubted you are giving the best possible care for your Dad.
have you ever tried reverse psychology on Dad. When you want him to do something tell him you forbid it and see if he begs you to let him do wahtever it is you actually want him to. Most things I do or get for my hubby are simply ignored. he does not like to be "told what to do" Complains when it gets cold and I am wearing a nice warm sweater and go and fetch him one. Come back and he has turned up the heat anyway after complaining about the cost of gas. you are dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.
That earthquake would really scare me but i guess you are used to things like that.
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good idea reverse psychology I used that with that with one of my managers -she hated me taking lunch breaks so one day I said I don't need lunch I will just keep working she said no you have to take lunch-it worked so well -why it took me so long to figure that out I will never know.
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