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Daughter52...it seems to be quite normal from what ive seen on the site for us to wish our folks could move on...at least they would be well and happy....which is a far cry from where they are now with the illnesses and dementia. My mom has no quality of life and is miserable...never happy anymore....and thats not a life that i want for her. I have struggled horribly anout whether to care for her myself or place her an ALF when the time comes...which wont be long. The guilt of feeling like its my job to care for her is slowly being replaced with the truth that mom would not WANT me to do that. I will however make sure that she is always taken care of...
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SherylBeth, guilt is a very powerful and damaging emotion. It has no place in caring for a loved one. Replace it with doing your best and getting the finest care for Mom you can find. Mothers want the best for their children just as children do their best to care for their parents. So go on doing your best and make Mom proud.
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I just want someone to love and care for me a little bit...is it so wrong to need that in my life and I dont mean from my children. I need a somewhat significant other methinks - fat chance right now but I really really need the closeness of another person before I lose myself completely
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I know what you mean, Jude. I would love to have a relationship. It would be great if he had his place and me mine. I've been married a couple of times and men are too much work for me. Having someone dependable in a separate address seems perfect to me.
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Did a quick stop at dads yesterday to clean out and refill his birdfeeders. He was not in his room so I went in and he has in living room.
started to get a bit anxious - the whole going home routine so I distracted him by taking to the courtyard to look at plants then off to his room where we had again the conversation about his room, his clothes, where is the car, his wallet etc. How far away do I live ( I fudge that a bit) Ending ok though-whew as no calls.
Sis today called and asked if I was going to have Dad over for a cookout this holiday weekend! Or why fo you not have him help with yardwork.
I told her I am going to botanical garden Wednesday and lunch after.
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My mother stopped eating almost 2 wks., ago. We're on the 2nd month of in-home hospice. I don't know if she will be here next weekend. Part of me is sad and part of me is pleased that I made it this far. If I had known 5 yrs ago, when this started, that I would be doing this for 5 yrs., I think I would have run off into the sunset screaming profanities.
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I haven't been here in several weeks and as I am reading your post, I ask myself how is it we get in this situation of caring for our elderly parents...yes I know we do it out of love but I am beginning to feel like we are all crazy for taking on this role in our lives. I am miserable being stuck in a house with my MIL everyday and no one seems to care or help. I have about had it. Im sorry for the ones who wishes they had another in their lives and dont have one, but believe me I have one and they are of no comfort at the moment-wrapped in their on misery of feeling like they are losing their mother when I'm the one doing all the work. I hate my life now, and if things dont change soon, I think I'll just pack up my clothes and leave. I can't do this and have all these emotions much longer. It is too much pain and agony and loneliness for one person. I feel tramatized by having to do some of the gory and repulsive things I've had to do. I wish I had never quit my job, My husband would have been forced to put his mother in a home, and even though it would have been hell for me to have to hear his anger all the time for that- at least I wouldnt be losing my sanity. YES....I am being selfish right now. I have been giving and nice and sweet and willing for 6 months...against my better judgement but Im tired and Im worn out and I ache all over and Ive gained abt 15 lbs. and I'm not happy right now so I'm gonna be selfish if I want to.
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GA, strange how some of us gain weight, and others lose. I will take your 15 pounds I need it though not looking anorexic at least.

Jude, a MAN?! Not for me, thank you very much. Just another person to take care of. Move to facility for mom and L the end of next week. It is time for me to regroup, get a life back if there is one to have, then figure out my next steps.
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Gladmhere.....Nope not walking away....I made a promise and I intend to keep it. I just so happen to love this old guy...and have for years...He is as good as he can be to me. It is not his fault this ugly illness hit him and suddenly at that. I would not do such a horrible thing as allowing his one son and daughter in law to care for him..What a h*ll I would create for him. Just need to complain now and then, but I get over it.
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Crowded, it’s hard when one’s caring for an elderly and also a children. Both will demand your attention as the years go by. Children wants to do more, elderly slows down. Soon you will be torn between decisions. You all need to plan ahead for the time when your FIL (Father-in-law) gets worse healthwise.

Luckylu – I hope you heal fast. Your words reminded me of the time I was caring for both bedridden parents, a full time and changing their pampers all by myself (oldest sis was just a babysitter – who babysits and doesn’t do pampers.) I remember I couldn’t wait for Sundays, when I would turn on the radio just so that I can hear 2 songs. One was a Catholic religious song (Oops! I shouldn’t admit this) sung by female choirs ‘Ave Maria.” It was so beautiful and peaceful. I can feel myself destress as I listen to it. (Unfortunately, the newer version is sung by the male choir – and not as hearttouching as the female choirs. Not at all.) … Your words “Get Through This Day” – reminded me also of that second song that they only play on Sundays – “One Day at a Time, Sweet Jesus.” I would hear that song, and sing along very off-keyed (dad says I sound awful.)

Daughter52, what you’re feeling is normal. Well, normal in that I’ve felt like that. When mom finally passed away, I was relieved …because dad was getting more and more demanding that he comes first before mom. It was too much stress because when he gets angry, he sometimes hit or throws things. My question to you, which I know your mom will refuse, but can you hire someone to be with your mom on Saturday mornings? Try to use your mom’s money. If not, can you spare any? Maybe you can step back a bit and let your mom do things on her own. You can prepare the food and she can just warm it up when ready. Then you can spend the mornings in the garden away from her. Perhaps install baby monitors in the 2 rooms she’s mostly at. And if it can reach outside in the garden.

Samantha, I fell into the same trap like you. When I decided to stay home and help dad, I didn’t think mom would have lasted this long. I was around age 25 (?). Mom finally passed away about 2 years ago… That makes me helping dad for about 22-23 years! I swear, the past 13 years, I thought mom was really going to die this time. And then she pulls out of death’s door. 13 years of so much false alarms. If I had known this is what I would be doing, I would not have gone seeking God and getting to know Him. But, then I won’t be the person I am today. Darn if you and darn if you don’t. Catch 22….
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Gawoman, you are NOT being selfish. Repeat to yourself over and over – you are Not selfish. You have quit your job, and are doing things to someone who is Not your mother. Your husband is Not supportive of you. He should be helping you. It is not just ‘a woman’s job’ to be caregivers. I don’t believe in divorces due to religious reasons. Only extreme cases makes divorce okay. But I do believe that your husband needs a wake-up call. When you have reached your extreme limit, please Do Pack Up and Leave. Do Not prepare MIL for him. Just walk out. He will learn ASAP All the things you were doing for his mother. And hopefully this will be a wake-up call for him. And I’d start looking in the Classified Ads for a job. Even if it’s a part-time job. Or you come here and vent, vent and vent until it’s over.

After this last typhoon, I'm so fed up with this house's status quo. Almost all the window screens have holes or falling off. I'm tired of every storm, that I get wet while washing dishes in the sink. Or getting wet or sitting on an icy cold dirty wet toilet seat because there's no window pane in the bathroom. And after every storm, I check the 3 gas tanks outside the kitchen. All these stuff - I've asked brother for help. He says it's impossible or just ignores me.

In desperation, i asked bro's girlfriend if she knows a reliable handyman who can fix our windows (or board it up!), put on the screen door that I bought last year (bro only put one up but not the 2nd one). She doesn't know but will ask around for recommendation.
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Good luck oregon! Do what you can to protect yourself. Since you don't have his POA's the children will be making all decisions, including where he is to live. I am only telling you this because it has happened to me. I hope all works out well for you.
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Unbeleivable!!!Because I accidently dropped a piece of glass on my wrist,the Hospice nurse thought I was trying to commit suicide which is the last thing I would ever do.Things are hard enough without people stirring up shoot.The social worker came by and had to see it...RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!
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Luckylu, I am afraid all nurses especially hospice nurses have to take such accidents very seriously. no one knows what is going on in another's mind., and the signs of suicidal thoughts are frequently not expressed. the serious ones have a plan and secretly carry it out. Had this been an accident to a child the same people are mandated reporters and would have been obligated to report. sounds silly when you know it was an accident. Their intention was to help you not cause distress so try and let it go. It really is not important, painful maybe but you have been patched up and it will heal. Try not to stress it too much and use the other hand when possible till it heals.
Be glad people care and are looking out for you. others are not so fortunate.
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Lucky Lu, Veronica is right although initial expressions of suicidal thoughts/deeds can be cries for help which, if go unfulfilled, can lead to really serious thoughts about suicide. And spot on veronica when people are not expressing, they may say nothing - in fact they are likely to cut themselves off from their family and friends, forcing themselves into a situation of isolation from which suicide appears to them to be the best way out not just for them but for everyone - you may call it a state of anomie.

I think it is your 51st state! - the breaking down of bonds between the individual and the community - oh well we all know that one! The subsequent isolation can lead to a whole range of issues including suicide but it has been suggested that it can lead to murder too - but before any of you contemplatye that one it is not held to be a defence!

As for rates of suicidal thoughts and attempts of suicide Australi compared US and Aussie stats with some alarming figures but only of a very small sample: They asked a sample of 120 Australian and US carers and found that they were contemplating suicide at more than eight times the rate of the general population.

So LuckyLu that is WHY they thought you might be struggling hun and lets face it if you were and they did nothing they are guilty of negligence - better to be safe than sued!
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I do appreciate the feedback from you all.It just saddens my heart that anyone would think I was so selfish or crazy.I would never let my Mother down,especially now when she needs me most.Mothers lungs are half full of fluid and her legs are getting blue.I am scared and so worried but no matter what,Ill hang on and keep trudging. I understand they were just doing their jobs but the hostpital where I got the 3 stitches Sat. beleived me and didnt suggest the mental ward.Thanks for caring you all and thanks for your answers.
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Lu I think hospitals see so many people they dont delve into the depths of the individual whereas the hospice really often only see carers and all the intrinsic struggles carers face babes.

The hospice will recognise that you are under tremendous strain right now and are really only showing their concern and trying to establish if there is something they can do to help you through the day to day fears you are experiencing.

Feeling suicidal isnt being mental in the conventional sense that most people see it as - its often just a symptom of mental unwellness as opposed to mental illness which is something entirely different.

When all feels lost and there doesnt appear to be any light at the end of tunnel I suppose depression anxiety and suicidal thoughts will come to mind for some people possibly the latter as the only way they can leave their commitments (often ones that were not of their choosing) behind and even more so if there is no support for them.
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Death Rattle started today. I'm like a deer in the headlights. Pass the Lorazepam. Thanks all for being here. Sam
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Sam you are doing fine. The rattle may lessen if you turn her form side to side. I know it is very hard for you to listen to. keep her comfortable with whatever meds you have been given, you wont change anything and a little dose of something won't hurt either. there will be such a sense of peace when she passes over. have someone to sit with you. Don't he afraid to leave her alone some people wait till they are alone till they pass. Keep talking to her.
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Sam you are strong or you wouldnt be there hun. Keep the faith and strength - we are all here for you xxxxxx
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Praying for you Sam. You can do this!
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Bookluvr, thanks for words and advice. I know my husband doesn't want to think about his dad getting worse, but we all know it will happen. I hadn't thought about it so plainly as you put it. Thanks for that. We have already had to miss doing things with our little one or only one of us get to see her joy because one had to stay here to care for the FIL.
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Sam, I know what you mean about a deer in the headlights. I remember panicking for several days with mom. Just hearing her struggling to breath for at least 30 minutes every morning – was very stressful. I felt like I NEEDED to do Something to help her. I don’t remember how many times I reached for the phone and almost completed pressing 9-1-1. You’re doing fine. And Veronica is right. Mom finally passed away when she was left alone. {{{HUGS}}}

Crowded – find a paid caregiver to stay with FIL so that you and hubby can do things with your little one. Check you local law, install hidden cameras only in public rooms (no bathroom or bedroom) that you can check online – if not for the caregiver but also to see how FIL is behaving. Once you find a reliable caring person, make sure FIL understands that this is non-negotiable. You all need some immediate family outing. Best to start now so that he gets used to it as he progresses.
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Have any of you had to deal with pitting edema? my mother in law has developed congested heart failure during her cancer treatment and has a very bad case of pitting edema in her legs, feet and thighs. It showed up in her face this morning and her eyes are really puffy bad. I called the hospice nurse and told her that the water pill they had prescribed was not working. The nurse came out today and ordered lasix because it is severe. Its 20 mg a day, and the side effects sound very dangerous considering she has afib and her heart is not strong at all. Her cancer is not what is going to kill her...but her kidney failure and congestive heart failure seems to be taking a toll. Im afraid she is going to drown in her own fluids and have heard of this. Anyone have any imput?????
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Gawoman, the thing about diuretics is that you have to get up to the right dose before they work at all. So the dose might sound high (it's ages since my mother was on Lasix, which I believe is the same as furosemide? - but from memory 20mg isn't that much) but the important thing is to, er, prime the pump and get things started. There are other diuretics if they're still not getting anywhere. Ask your friendly neighbourhood pharmacist if you'd like suggestions. How's your MIL's kidney function, by the way?

The oedema will be making her feel like poo, but don't panic - as soon as the diuretic kicks in it should improve dramatically.
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GA contact your physician hun there maybe other underlying conditions you're not aware of. There is a great article on it in medicinenet/edema/page3.htm if that doesnt show then google edema medicinenet and you will find it I am sure xxxx
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her kidney function is very poor, only pee's about a cup a day. I know its a 4 if the number means anything to you almost a 5. She is on hospice now and they are in constant contact with her doctor so I have no concerns there. she is very weak in her legs and has been for weeks but only been retaining these fluids badly for about 2 weeks. They were swelling before but not like this. Thanks Countrymouse and JudeAH53 for your comments.
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gawoman I am afraid you have reached the stage where you have to prepare for the end for your MIL. All the diuretics in the world can not reduce the edema if the kidneys can not eliminate the fluids. your hospice nurses are doing a very good job so share your concerns with them and ask for honest answers about how long she has, from what you have told us it is probably 2 weeks or less. Your fears of fluid build up in her lungs is very real so be prepared for that.
Now is the time to notify relatives about how ill she is so those who want to visit can do so if she actually wants to see the the visitors. Limit the time spent with her because she will be very exhausted. She is days from being bedbound so be prepared to have all the help needed in place. if she is heavy you need 2 people to turn her etc. Do not resist the hospice nurses if they suggest using morphine and Ativan (Lorazepam) or similar anti anxiety. You are not hurrying her death but helping her pass more comfortably. Any or all of her health problems cause extreme anxiety and it is just compassionate care to use the medications available. The morphine will ease the feelings of not being able to breath. It is merely used for comfort. The build up of fluid in the lungs is very distressing to watch but the patient quickly slips into unconsciousness at this stage. There is a medication called Levsin which is usually used for bladder spasms but has the side effect of drying up terminal secretions. It is a tiny pill and can be just slipped under the tongue.
MIL's kidneys have failed, her heart is too weak to continue to effectively pump blood round her body which will lead to mental confusion among other things. The kidney failure will cause itchy flaking skin plus nausia and possibly vomiting.
This may sound very cold and hard which it is not meant to be but I felt you were asking for MIL's expectations.
Talk frankly with her hospice providers and ask how to proceed from here. With their experience they will be better able to assess her condition and answer your questions. I can only send you good thoughts for strength to help MIL.
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Veronica, very good answers! Thank you so much. I was thinking along the lines of what you told me. Its nice to see someone who agrees so much with my thoughts. I have asked the Hospice RN but she didn't seem to want to communicate. There is one Hospice nurse I think I can be frank with, she is very caring and we love her. I will talk to her today. I think she will be honest with me. I appreciate you anticipating my wanting to know!.
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I spoke to the hospice nurse when she came out. She is a kind and compasionate person and we absolutely love her. I met her outside and ask if I could talk to her just a minute before going in to see my MIL....she said sure-lets sit and chat for a bit. So I warmed up to the question by telling her of the swelling that my MIL has and how bad it was yesterday. She said the lasix might help but if it doesnt, that my MIL has about 2 weeks or so...then she went on to explain to me how this will progress and I was thankful for it. Ive never been a caregiver except a bit with my MIL brother who died also with the cancer she has. So to me, I guess the cancer is working on her, but to me she is dying with CHF and not necessarily cancer. Im glad I got the facts and I feel really good that I know how it will happen. I knew the day I got the morphine kit in the delivery that it wasn't a good sign. I even talked to her about recieving that and I told her I knew not to open it cos it read on the outside for the RN Hospice nurse.
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