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I so wanted to reply P£$$ off to that Send me but I is far too polite - roars with laughter ...seriously hun thank you for that and I am not that nice - honest Im not - I am a vitriolic old cow who tends to tell it as it is most of the time and I know I overstep the mark now and again ...in my defence I always start off with good intentions ...... then they just fade!!!!!!!
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Jude I am not a vitriolic old cow but I am suspicios old woman who likes to look under rocks! I can keep the vitriolic remarks to myself but I still think them. Are you starting a club Jude or is being shop steward too time consuming?
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LOLOLOLOLOLOL Veronica you do make me smile. I thought I might start my own version of Judge Judy and call it Judge Jude - sort of cross between Judy and Dread! but only for the caring fraternity or non caring fraternity should I say (or sorority I might add no sexism here)

For anyone who dares to moan about the care their stressed out sibling does (oh did I forget to mention you have to be on here to bring charges!)or indeed the care provision of any care-giver who is doing it right there will be punishment

Sentencing will be to work single handed for a period of not less than 1 year with no respite but under constant supervision and with no pay, with people who have no-one to care for them. Failure to meet the required standard at all times will result in an additional 6 months until you get it right......Then let them complain we don't do enough or don't deserve to be paid......

First on my list are the social workers, for they see fit to criticise but rarely offer useful help

Then siblings who manage to visit or phone once in a blue moon

Policy makers - they have to do double the time as do the financiers who don't give a toss except for the bottom line

Politicians ......once I let them back from serving overseas - it's very easy to send our troops abroad let them have a go first I say. And now you know what familial care-givers go through give us some recognition that has meaning and don't make everything such a bloody chore

Then and really high on my list are the doctors who ignore your need for respite and just script out anti-depressants

I would bring in sever penalties for abusers - they can go into service for 5 years to the house of the children of the person they abused....see how they like that one and they have to on call 24/7 and trust me I would make sure they didn't sleep through one single night

Oh I am going to find mesen a job!!!!!! FOR LIFE
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Jude the politicians should be sent to Afghanistan and be given latrine duty. I'll probably sent hubby too so far I have been waiting for him to bring back subs. It is a five minute trip!!!!!!!!!!!!! When I took poccession of the remote last night and changed to MY program he insisted on talking all the way through with a serious of stories about his working life. I did mute the TV but continued to watch. Wow 51 minutes but he is here now!
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No way are they going to do latrine duty they can go on the front line and then do latrine duty on their down time. They have no flaming idea of what our guys have to go through or the wives that are left at home. I am sending you some duct tape Veronica for next time he starts - mum does that a lot but she DOES ahve an excuse ...enjoy your sub
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JJ (Judge Jude) When the politicians serve their sentence the person they care for could begin with a wounded veteran then move on to the elderly who they toss aside as less then human beings.
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I was talking to the nurse at mom's doctors office regarding a couple questions about alzheimers. I also raised the possibility of having to obtain guardianship since mom refuses to even consider moving from her home and she is in moderate stage. Thats when the nurse volunteered to me that the doctor would not write a letter or get involved in matters such as that. What????!!!! This man is her doctor and knows exactly how she is, since i take her for evaluations about every 3 to 4 months....so if it comes down to getting guardianship, one would assume the doctors input would be crucial to a judge! Im not sure what his reasoning is....and at some point soon im going to find out...but i was absolutely shocked to hear that he would not provide a written opinion of her condition if asked! I see a change of doctors for mom in the near future and thats not going to be fun trying to explain to her why....probably going to have to come up with a white lie. Im just appalled.
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Hello I agree Caregiving is very hard I am caregiver to someone with dementia And this been the most stressful and trying time in my life. I have took care several people and all have different medical issues But this journey I have been on Has been up and down And the arguing I know they don't understand So it hard to explain so i can agree with Jude well said And i mixing them both together caregving and dementia And feel i lost all my social and works skill I try to do my best in the situation Like you said i hope it not forever Carolyn
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lynnemk, I "think" your response was to me, just too hard to tell on these threads who is responding to who. My condolences to you on losing your mom. I'm sure your feelings are so raw right now and the could've, should've, would've guilt is coming into play. What you went through with your mom had to have been awful and I'm sure you did a great job making her feel her most comfortable. Nerves fray and we're only human. Forgive yourself please if you're feeling guilty. Dementia doesn't exactly bring out the best in anybody, and well, anything. It's a nasty and horrible disease. Hugs to you.

My mom is just in the beginning stage of dementia, I'm guessing. She will not go to a doctor unless it's for extreme constipation. My mom is a very controlling narcissist and has been for most of my life. She controlled my dad for years and me for at least the last five since dad became ill. Actually I've had a breakthrough that she has been doing this to me for years. It just wasn't so apparent as my father protected me from fully finding out her ways. He shielded me from a lot of it and made excuses about what she required of him, like not allowing him to leave the house for more than a half hour at a time. All because her knee broke and she saw herself as an invalid at 67. She could still walk but gave up on therapy because it was too scary and hard. She gave up on life at 67 and here nearly 11 years later, I'm her scapegoat and personal servant even though she's in AL.

The past nearly five years have been increasingly bad. I feel so free now telling her I will not visit every other day anymore. It has been four hours with travel in the middle of my day for all that time. Everything she needs or has needed has always been there. She demands homemade meals from me as the dining room isn't good enough. She won't even let the caregivers wash her eyeglasses as they won't do a good enough job!

Well, it's tough love now. She'll have to quit relying on me so much and trust other people, even though she insists everyone is bad and untrustworthy. She's always been that way. I see it now.

I may not have the 24 years she's had beyond my age. I'm 55 and I'm fed up with being treated like a child and a servant. I honestly will be surprised if I feel guilty when she dies. I know I've knocked myself out for years for her going above and beyond duty, more than a child is expected to do for their parent.

My duty now is to my child helping to put him through college. He is the future.

I owe that to him and my husband after me not being so very present all this time.
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SherylBeth My GP (am a Brit so excuse the difference) general practitioner that is wouldn't write one either. HOWEVER he did refer me to a specialist in dementia - a consultant who could do the psych tests required to determine and evaluate the issues (a) did my mum have dementia (b) what type (s) of dementia did she have (c) what stage was she at (d) what next steps were needed.
Now he did put that in writing so I imagine it could be similar for you too.
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SheryBeth, I was going to say the same as JudeA. My mom's primary doctor referred her to a neurologist. It was the neurologist, after several tests were done on mom, who declared she had dementia.

Hi Windy! Do what you feel comfortable when it comes to visiting her.
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I think I'm going through menopause. For the past week at work, I would get so hot, uncomfortably hot. I would turn on my rarely used desk fan and aim it straight to me. Then, if I forget, I get so cold, and turn it off.
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Whew, what a day. Just had to come here and vent.
I got here at Great-aunt Y's this morning, as usual, and decided to give her raisin bran instead of oatmeal to give her a little variety, since she has oatmeal most of the time.
Well, it was obvious she wasn't in a very good mood, and she said, "Are we having oatmeal?" She hardly ever even asks what she's going to have, so the question took me off guard (of course she would ask on the day I decide NOT to make oatmeal) and I said no, we're having raisin bran. "Well I can't eat that stuff! It's not a part of my diet. I want oatmeal!" As if she gives tuppence about her diet; she never has from the day I first came here.
I told her that the cereal was already prepared and it would be no good and get soggy if I put it in the fridge like she suggested; but I promised her she could have oatmeal tomorrow. Well, that didn't exactly go over well with her, but I put it in front of her and figured that was the end of it.
NOPE.
Some time later she comes into the room I'm in and tells me that I can call for a ride home because I'm fired. I told her no, I'm not doing that (she isn't my employer, but also I can't leave her by herself). And then, OH MAN, I have never, ever seen her blow up like this before.
I can't really remember all the details, but it was ugly. Unfortunately her 14 yr. old granddaughter got into the middle of it, trying to make Y settle down; 'Kay' is a sweet girl, but prone to mild panic attacks. I really, really wish she hadn't been there when it happened. Y blew up at Kay, told me that I was turning Kay against her, and told Kay to go into her room and shut up. Kay was in tears, Y was in tears. Y called me a lot of nasty names and told me to get out of her face, she doesn't want me to be around her, yadda yadda. I tried to stay calm (I did, for the most part, mostly to help steady Kay) but I told Y to go into her room if she didn't want to see me. She started talking about how I want to see her in her coffin, how I'm just so nasty and mean, how her coffee was as weak as water (not true) and her toast was cold (only because she didn't eat it right away) and whenever I tried to explain it to her she called me a liar and told me I was full of BS and other nice things.
Kay called her dad asking him to come home, and he did. I'm not sure what's going to happen right now. I think he's making calls. I'm afraid I'm going to lose my job by her going into a nursing home, and I really can't afford to lose it. Sigh.
It was just ridiculous how mad she got. When I tried to calm her down, she threatened to slap me in the face. Ugh. I'm just ... sort of frazzled right now.
I can't believe it all started because of a stupid bowl of cereal. I mean, I do feel kind of bad; maybe I should have wasted the raisin bran. But I had no idea it was going to blow up like that. Usually, for all her grumpiness, she'll eat what I put in front of her. Actually that's the first time she *hasn't* done so. I try to give her food to eat that she likes, and she's had raisin bran before and never complained ('that's because I have no choice in the matter!' she yells at me, regardless of the fact that she has indeed told me on occasion that she doesn't like a certain food, and then I don't give it to her after that).
And all this before noon. Whew.
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Leah, it sounds like you didn't do anything wrong. We have those days here where my mother seems to be itching for a fight. It sounds like it was one of those mornings around your great aunt's house. It sounds like your great aunt was having control issues today and deciding that people were trying to be the boss of her. Let us know what happens when the son comes home. I hope things can smooth out.
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Oh, I read again and noticed the son was home and calling around. Let us know what happens. Fingers crossed that all is okay.
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Thanks, Jessie. Apparently she'd been feeling slighted since last night and was, as you so aptly put it, itching for a fight. Thanks for the encouraging words, and I'll let you all know what's going on :)
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Mymother doesn't ever do that in that way - she knows fine well how to get under my skin without blowing up at me. Like today - I got her up she sent straight back to bed. I brought in her cereal said Mum you need to sit up or youwill spill it.
So she didnt sit up and then it was all over the bed - changing sheet time.

Then she used the commode and wanted it emptied immediately which was fine - by the time I came down she had used the commode again (we have two pots in case you wondered) by the time I came down from that she'd been again. And so the day continued.
She threw her coffee down so hard that it spilled over a carpet I steam cleaned at the weekend
She pushed sandwich (which of all the things it could have been was salmon) down the side of her chair
She is as wobbly as hell on her legs and nearly fell twice - luckily I was there to support her
Then we went over to my thrid week of training where she gets care for 2 hours - nice as pie - the cow!
Came home wanted an ice lolly - the chair now not only smells of salmon but is covered in orange ice lolly because she didnt want any more and couldnt be bothered to put it on the table (which is designed to take spills for heavens sake)
Then a row with my son - now if only I had the balls I would just empty mums tablets and take the bloody lot.
I
HAVE
HAD
ENOUGH
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Jude, I think you and I should take our mothers to an exorcist. They must have demons in them somewhere to act the way they do. Maybe we can take Leah's great aunt with us while we're at it.
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Jude, I can completely empathize with you.
As an update, it looks like Y's son is looking at nursing homes right now. I know it's probably for the best, but I hate to lose my job, too. I know one thing, I don't ever intend to take a job like this again. I'd rather work with five year old quadruplets than with a crazy old lady who thinks I want her dead just because I won't give her oatmeal one morning.
She is now obsessively writing down all the calorie counts for all the food she's eaten today because she thinks I'm messing up her diet (no matter that five or so times a day she'll ask me for a sandwich or chips or something else she's not supposed to have too much of, and throws a fit if she can't have it, or if heaven forbid I offer her fruit or yogurt).
She's now completely ignoring me, sitting in her room doing who knows what. I don't really care, I don't want to talk to her either.
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Jessie Belle I swear we have the same darned Mum!

Leah have you written your log down for today because if I were you I would hun.. I would also speak to the son because HER behaviour is something HE needs to know about because its not the norm I imagine even if she is not the easiest person to get on with. get that log written gal and try to remember everything even the times when you were assertive
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Leah, it may be for the best. You're so young to have this type of a job. If this job ends, it will free you to look for a job with some future. The sad thing about private caregiving for the elderly is that the job will end when the person dies or is put into a home.
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Leah, sounds like either aunty has UTI (urinary tract infection which makes the elderly act aggressive and out of character)... or ... She's entering a new phase. And you're IT as the main focus for all of her paranoia (stealing, lying, etc...from her) and accusations and aggressive behavior. Be very careful. In her mind, you are a very terrible person that no one sees it but her (she's very smart and Not fooled by you.) If this continues without help, that anger will become hatred. Mix hatred with anger, suspicions and you get from her Physical violence.

Watch your back. Never walk in front of her. No matter what you say or do, she will find something wrong. Always remain alert. And never leave yourself in a corner. Make it automatic to be vigilant on where she is, where you are, etc...

A word of warning, don't rely completely on her facial expressions. When my mom went through the violent stage (dad refused to give her the meds), she chose sister-in-law as her target for months. Then as she worsened, it turned to us. Such hatred and anger. She would walk towards us with a calm face. But when I looked at her hands, she had it very tight fisted. I turned and ran. She removed her calm facial mask and revealed her anger and hatred. She chased.
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Nothing is easy about caregiving. It is difficult even with a person that you love and has always been there for you. It becomes daunting if the person has been a difficult and narcissistic person all his or her life. Add the dementia factor and the situation is like mission impossible. Each day is a new challenge.
When my mom died after 2 years of progressing dementia, I said I would not go through this with my dad (the difficult narcissistic person). But now I am here and realize that I am it. This time I set up very stringent boundaries. I will help him with things that AL can't do, and I make sure that AL is doing the right things (medicine, baths, shaving, etc.). I didn't have any type of life for 6 years but now realize that I would do things that other people could do for them. If you are in the situation where you feel totally alone, look in your community for agencies or support groups that can help you. In most communities there are agencies that can provide some support. Please look for them. It was a big mistake to think that I could do everything on my own.
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Ive often seen posts on here regarding medications for use when our elders get to mean and angry all the time....is that something the people ur caring for are already on? Ive seen my moms beligerant hateful behavior only a few times so far but enough to know that as she progresses, im pretty sure im going to see a lot more of it. What is the names of the usual meds doctors give to 'even out' such hateful behavior??
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Sherylbeth, for us it was depakote sprinkles. I opened the capsule and mixed it up with prune pudding, Its safer than an antipsychotic the neurologist told us. Its actually used an anti seizure medication too that calms the brain. I had students in my classroom on double what my Mom was on for their adhd! My Moms off them now but at first she slept a lot, that does wear off so enjoy while you can lol.
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Many medications need to be given in lower doses to the elderly because us oldsters don't eliminate them as fast as people with younger livers and kidneys. Many do cause drowsiness so don't be surprised when something new is prescribed and do believe the side effects your loved one may be describing. Judge Jude forgot to mention when your loved one becomes angry and agressive lock up the sharp knives and keep the key on your person.
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Veronica, I wanted to say hide the knives but figured with my post, it would sound a bit paranoid or over the top. I'm glad you mentioned it. =)
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Nothing paranoid about common sense Book. knives, firearms,scissors, garden tools (once in my misspent preschool years I picked up a hoe and hit a visiting nurse)
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Don't forget sharp objects like pens, too. Dad once threw his dinner plate with his food still in it. And then that bowl of hot chicken vegetable soup. Or that other time, with his vitamin bottle...
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Thank you to everyone for your concern! It makes me feel much better knowing there are other people out there who've been through the same thing.
I'm not really afraid of great-aunt Y; she's 80 years old, and too unsteady on her feet to do much damage. If she tried to hit me, I'd probably end up keeping her from falling over.
I did tell her son everything I could remember about what she'd said and done yesterday. I think that whoever is around her at the time is her target, really. She just likes to pick fights when she feels like it (and she'll take advantage of her granddaughter, asking her for things she'd never ask us because she knows we would say no), and apparently years ago she was actually in a physical fight (maybe more than one?) with her own daughter, who was very much like Y in personality.
I do sometimes worry about sharp objects, not for personal safety but because I'm afraid she'll hurt herself. She once cut her finger pretty badly with some sharp scissors.
But I'm happy to say that today, it looks like she's completely forgotten everything that happened yesterday and is back to her normal self. I actually thought she wouldn't be, because although yesterday she calmed down after a while it was obvious she was still mad at me. But hopefully today will be a calm day. Fingers crossed! (Also I fixed oatmeal for her, lol; no more raisin bran ever again for her!)
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