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windy, people can be such tyrants now when it comes to nicotine. In your shoes I would pick up some nicotine lozenges or gum and tell her how to use them. She'll still have withdrawal from the act itself, but at least she'll have some nicotine to take the bite off. Since she doesn't vape much, the 2 mg will probably be good.
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Here's hoping that the lady with the kids, because it probably was her, has to endure the little monsters she is already creating well into adulthood. If she doesn't smoke now she will when they hit adolescence.
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Windytown, I agree, there should be (at the very least) a covered outside area, where she can go and have a couple of puffs! Will you now have to switch her to a patch, or nicotine gum? That's just stupid!
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Timbuktu, good one, Lol!
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I am still trying to deal with the fact that my Dad has dementia and so many times his mind is off in the weeds.

Today Dad was in a panic thinking I had put down a deposit on a new house for him. Say what??? What new house??? Have no idea where that idea had popped into the loop. Last week Dad just moved from Independent Living over to Memory Care in the same complex, so maybe that was the connection some how. Anywho, he was relieved when I said "no" to buying that house.
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Trying to pack for mom's move to an ALF next week, she perceeds to unpack things. Seriously, I need one of her friends to take her out and distract her. What a tiring day.
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Tatttoochick, Mom probably does not want to go so maybe just pack the minimum to go with her and take the rest later. Put stuff you are packing out of sight then she won't be tempted to unpack it again. When you get there let her unpack and put things where she wants them that way she will feel in control and maybe not upset with her new surroundings. Institutional living is a big change from being in a home situation however crowded. There is a lot to get used to and remember even if you have full capacity. Think how confusing it is when you go somewhere like a hospital or big office building and try to find your way around, or an airport, fight your way past TSA and after that disruption try and find your gate, maybe you are even in the wrong terminal and have to take the shuttle bus dragging a heavy suitcase.
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Went to visit MIL today. she was in rahab room in multiple gowns, and when the PT was going to get her up to show us how she stands ( we being the cheerleaders), I noticed a puddle of blood on the floor under her chair. Yep, actual large drips and splotches. Well she got wisked to the nursing station.. t PT explained the situation.. RN on phone. So back to her room. No signs of pain, she was cheerful. After 20 minutes the floor nurse comes in to give her pills.., we ask about blood and wound care RN... floor nurse redresses wound ( very small, only one spot bleeding but it was bleeding..) We had to leave, but hopefully all fixed shortly, I do know the floor nurse was out getting "help" Mom said, when we first went in " I could move here".. uh different story when we left. I know they are understaffed.. but come on!! Plus they pointed out to us that she has NO CLOTHES!! Only the outfit that followed her from the hospital that was in the wash. How enbaressing for us all. BIL called....duh! clothes should arrive tomorrow when FIL goes to visit. She said SIL took clothes.. yep we found a sweater and a pair of socks... that sounds like all anyone would need....
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OMG what terrible typos! FIL said DIL took clothes... (not she)
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I've only posted once before. I've been taking care of my husband since 2012. 24/7 since April of last year when I had to quit working to take care of him full time. Today he mentioned wanting to go to the Vets Home. He is frustrated and depressed. He sad he feels useless. Normally I would encourage him and look for yet more resources in order to keep him home longer, but I'm actually ready for him to go. I'm finding my own health is starting to deteriorate and I'm tired constantly. I can honestly say I feel less inclined to help him over this bump in the road than in the past. I am totally exhausted. There is everything imaginable at the Vets Home. I can see myself visiting him there and having fun with him with the endless activities the home has available. I've been trying to check my emotions about all of this, but I think even my feelings have flatlined.
Susan
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susan, what can it hurt to look into it? you don;t have to commit, just check it out. It might be a good thing for both of you, and he may perk up with others to "hang"with.. I know I wish I could get my mom some buddies!
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Stacey, Thank you for posting more about the housing resources for seniors.
That is such valuable information.
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Susan88, I can understand how you feel. One can crash and burn with all the caregiving being hands-on and/or logistical. I had seven years of logistical with my very elderly parents, who in their mid-to-late 90's refused to move from their home which had a lot of stairs.... and my Mom who refused any strangers in the house... [sigh].

Once my Mom passed, my Dad said he was ready to get out of that house and move to a senior center. Glad it was his own decision as it worked out quite well. My Dad is now in the Memory section of this center. He is around fellows of his own generation, where at home he wasn't.

Now you can once again be your hubby's "wife" instead of his "caregiver". But don't be surprised if it takes awhile before your emotions and energy returns.
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Susan, it sounds like the vet home is a very good solution. We have two of them around here that I'm familiar with. The residents enjoy them a lot. People come in from the outside and provide entertainment almost every week. They meet with friends there and have friends with common interests. If it is a good home, then it sounds like it would be good for both him and you. Big hugs.
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Thanks all for your very kind answers. Dreading Monday...
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Windytown, I wish you well on Monday as it isn't going to be easy to tell Mom she can't smoke any more at Assisted Living.

Where my Dad lives, both the Independent Living section and the Assisted Living section have "smoking porches".

I am wondering if the vaping is not being allowed because of fire hazards associated with recharging the e-cigarette.
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We have a town near here (Mountain Brook) that was voting to ban smoking inside and outside in public. I don't know if it passed yet. I wondered how they would let people traveling through know they couldn't smoke. I wouldn't want to enforce that. I can see a police officer now pulling someone over for smoking. Pretty gestapo.

I do like that nicotine sales are illegal to someone under 18. I can't see making someone quit using when they're over 80. Pretty gestapo.
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There is a smoking porch at the building with no protection from the elements except for a roof. That's a problem in Minnesota.

Other issues are at play. Mom is wheelchair bound and doesn't have enough strength to move herself around. A scooter is definitely out of the picture as she's lost her ability to learn how to drive something like that. A caregiver would gladly take her out there as it is just outside the front door. My big beef with this and it will be the umpteenth time I've brought it up in almost three years, is her pager will not work right outside the front door. We've had three different pagers and not one will work out there. They've never solved the problem for us. Because of this mom has extreme anxiety about being abandoned outside. She will refuse to go outside. I've tried getting her an easy to use flip phone with big numbers and the front desk number programmed in but she has never used it as she does not trust that to work either. I think she's really afraid she won't be able to figure it out and in reality she probably can't or won't as she's very stubborn.

At her previous AL, the pager would work anywhere on the grounds outside. Why these yahoos can't figure it out makes me want to bang my head against the wall. This issue MUST be solved if they are forcing her outside. Wish me luck!
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I find myself being harsh with with my husband sometimes, i feel guilty when I speak, but some to him in this fashion,but some days are better then others. I thank god always for not taking his memory completely away, because he only has mild dementia, but I'm tired most of the time, I do love him and don't want to think of a nursing home,because I want to care for him my self as long as I can, but it is very hard.
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Windy, i would be Very upset with a pager that didn't work outside the facility, especially in Minnesota. Don't people fall outside at this facility ( that certainly happened to my mom). I'd make an issue of it, not just because of the vaping. It's a basic safety net.
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Moving forward, hoping we are dping the right thing for our mom. Worked on packing things today for the ALF move on Wednesday. It is co fusing for her aa she keeps thinking we are moving today. I feel guilty and i want a break. Just not sure how things are gping to go.
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Still working on canning tomatoes. Long day....10 pints of sloppy joe sauce and about 10 half pints of pizza sauce. That's is still cooking down. Plus laundry, grocery shopping and painting the trim on the new service door in garage. Dad was in the kitchen this am at his AL. They started the Seroquell last night and I think many aides are hoping it helps dad. He just doesn't make any sense when he talks. He wanted to come to my house today though. :(
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Stacey,

Gee.....this is terrible the fact you think you and your husband could have maybe told your FIL about going to a senior home some time ago. Isn't it weird? I've had something like this happen, where you feel scared/nervous about telling someone something for fear it will upset them, only to find out that when you built up the courage to do so, they take the news o.k.

Maybe it is in part our own fear, and just plain fear about the situation in and of itself. I believe there are many reasons some either children/inlaws end up taking in a parent into their homes. As you've said, the old man didn't want to be lonely.
We still come from that generation also where elders were in many cases taken care of by children, instead of placing them in senior homes and the like.

But never minimize the very noble thing that you and your husband have done for this man. Not everyone has done this, and I think you blessed this man with the beautiful and kind attentions. Sure I know where you're coming from also in the sense he sounds like a very selfish, self-centered person, too and that it's definitely infringed upon your marriage.

I don't live with my mother, my sister does. But I can say that anyone who does this daunting task, WOW......you guys are all such special people, never forget that.

Hugs,
Much Love & Light! Margeaux
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Whew! Got an extension on mom's e-cig moratorium today. AL director happened to be in today which is rare on a Sunday. I explained this is h@ll week for us. Moving kid to his first college house and FIL is undergoing radiation therapy for spinal cancer (bone mets from prostate) which my husband will deal with along with his sisters. FIL also had a heart attack three weeks ago, so off to the cardiac doctor after radiation is done. Bad timing for mom to go ballistic. Really bad!

He agreed and will not approach her about it until 9/6, which coincidentally is when we take her to the dentist. She will be furious but my husband took the day off work so she can get her teeth cleaned as he lifts her into/from car and into/from dentist's chair. She tempers her anger around him and we can go to Walgreen's and get some nicotine patches or lozenges.

It won't be pretty but at least it's not during this very stressful week. Meanwhile, I will be demanding a working pager. Thanks for listening. You are all so kind.
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Windy, not even ecigs now? Good grief! I suppose candy digs would be out of tge question. No wait! I don't think they make those any more, politically incorrect. Nanniisms.
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Windy, The dentist may confirm to your Mom that her teeth are being ruined by smoking anything at all, including vaping. Write him a note beforehand, inform him of what's coming down the pike for Mom, and maybe he can help by being the bad guy-telking her to stop, and maybe how?
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My Dad died of lung cancer, never quit smoking in the last year he had left.
No judgment here.
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glad and send,

We live in the state (MN) where nothing is allowed. Not even an almost 80 year old vaping, 90% in her room. Candy cigs are not PC either. Hate this state. Wasn't born here and neither was mom. Life is a lot more sane in South Dakota.

Sorry about your dad, send. Cancer sucks all the way around.
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Windytown, Thank you for that sentiment. Cancer is bad. But id did not take away my Dad's will to live.
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Susan, I too have checked into the Veterand Home, should my FIL someday need it, and the one bear us seems nightvabd day above many of the other nursing home options in oyr area! I hope that you continue to check into it, it might be a viable option for you both!
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