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Jim, I'm so sorry for the tough situation. I'm glad your dad is not in pain. I hope he can remain at home and pass peacefully but... it's a lot of responsibility, I get it. (((((hugs)))))
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Thank you all. It really hit me tonight that I am going to lose my dad. We have a great relationship and I owe everything to him. He has been a sounding board throughout my life and I can't thank him enough. Yes we had our moments, but I could always count on him. We worked together for thirty years and I have owned our business for thirty five more years. I am soon to retire and my son will take over. This site and all the people here have been a godsend.
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Jim, I'm glad that you had a great relationship with your father. My dad & I used to go to Sunday flea markets. I have some very fond memories of those times. Nothing as close as what you shared with your father. It's really nice to hear these little tidbits. I can see why you would really want to honor your father's wish. I hope it does work out for him. Take care.
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I've received from dad's federal retirement office of 2 envelopes: The retirement and the life insurance forms on 31Aug. As I was filling it out - since my name is under beneficiary - I came across on the form that if there's a court appointed administrator, I will also need something from bro. I stopped and texted SIL. She said that the lawyer's office has a document drafted for the administrator.

Well, today, dad received a letter from Medicare. Obviously, his retirement stopped payment but didn't alert Medicare that he died. So, Medicare is coming after dad for his Oct-Dec payments. I texted SIL that since the retirement didn't alert Medicare, then bro-as administrator - needs to contact Medicare to cancel it... Oh by the way, if they didn't cancel Medicare, that also means they didn't cancel dad's secondary insurance.

I just spoke to SIL. She asked me why I haven't sent out the retirement form back to them with dad's death certificate. I said that I spoke to her in Aug 31st that I NEEDED the document from the administrator to send it along. She says I don't need that. She said that I need the form for the insurance beneficiary but not to close the retirement account (which only needs the death certificate). Ugh!!!! It's almost 15 days later and their lawyer is sooooo slow!!!! The administrator paperwork hasn't gone to court yet....

Not my problem. It's the administrator's... I keep telling myself this. But, I'm still stressing over it!

SIL asked about dad's bank account. I said that I haven't touched it after I gave their lawyer dad's bank account number. She said that I should just check it. Nope! That d*rn retirement form mentioned that we're not suppose to touch money from a deceased person's account - even if my name is on it. I ain't messing around with the feds....
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Book, is bro a court appointed administrator? Dad had a will. Here if that is the case, the process does not need to go to court. I think you had best get a free consultation with an attorney that specializes in wills, probate and such. Then if you decide you need an attorney ask for an agreement with a not to exceed amount to help you through this.
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Book,
It is my understanding and how we have dealt with it here is if anything like pensions, retirements, life insurance polices have a named beneficiary that can be dealt with and settled before you go to probate court. Usually there is a form the beneficiary fills out. You send that form in along with the Death Certificate and the Insurance, retirements will settle up with you in 2-3 weeks. Sometimes the form you fill out and sign as beneficiary will need to be notarized.

Calling an attorney with your questions as a beneficiary is a really good idea. Getting a short consultation in the attorneys office is even better.
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Lizzy is correct. Call the companies holding the policies. They will send you a form to fill out. They will not give you much info via the phone because they need to make sure you are who you say you are. If the policies are similar to what my mom had, they should have your Ss#, name and dob. The most they told me via phone was yes or no regarding being a beneficiary. You may need the policy numbers as well.
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Just clarifying something for Book, if she is named as the beneficiary it doesn't need to go through the estate and that money is hers to keep, so all she needs from bro is copies of the death certificate?
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Hi all,

I just found this website and forum. Not sure if this is the right place to start posting? Just needed to vent. My husband and I are caring for my father-in-law who has Stage 4 cancer. He's living with us, but because we have limited space, his bed is in our one family room/dining room area. He's fine with it, but it means the only space that is my own is our bedroom. We have no other family here to help, it's just us. I'm losing my mind!!! We work from home, which is a double edged sword - it means we can care for Dad, but there's also no escape. I'm sooo tired. We have hired help to come a couple of nights a week (he doesn't qualify for hospice yet because he wants to do immunotherapy), but we can't afford daily help.

I'm also angry today. Sorry, I just am. I have tried to be a really good friend to my friends over the years, and have always helped them out when they're in crisis. But where are my friends now? Nowhere. Silent. Crickets. I finally called one friend last night out of desperation, just needing some emotional support. All I got was 45 minutes of her questioning what we're doing...."Well, have you tried this? Well, can you do this?..." Over and over. I don't need someone to tell me what I already know or how to do things differently (that won't work cuz we've already tried), I just needed someone to be a friend and say, "I know it's hard. I'm sorry. I'm here if you want to cry." Last night I had nightmares, hearing voices that actually woke me up. Good times. I love my father-in-law dearly, but this is just really hard.

Anyway, thanks for just being a place to vent!
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Whirledtravel, welcome to Aging care!! Yes, it is perfectly ok to vent and be angry, it is all part of caregiving. Unfortunately, friends try to find solutions and have not experienced caregiving. Just letting someone vent is hard for them when they don't understand. That is where this site comes in. I am sorry your fil is at stage 4. Working at home has many benefits but without help, it can become difficult. you could try the Area Agency on Aging in your county for additional help. My understanding is they have programs to help and assist the elderly. I'm sure others on this site will have more to share with you.
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Thanks for the reply, Sharyn! And I'll look into the agency you mentioned.
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WhirledTravel,
Will be reading your posts. I hear you, being close to burnout, needing a friend, or two, or three. You are not alone, some are posting throughout the day and into the night in different time zones. You will like it here, I hope.

Have you ever been to a caregiver support group, often held at your local senior center?
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Hi, yes, I'm going to one tomorrow. I've been to a couple meetings for dementia/alzheimer's caregiver's (oh yeah, Dad has dementia, too!), and they were good, but then they stopped doing that group in my area. I'm hoping the one tomorrow will be a good resource, b/c it's close by, and they hold it twice a month. Only issue is that we can't leave Dad alone, so my husband and I will take turns going. No biggie there, though.
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Whirled, Sharyn mention Area Agency of Aging. In my area, in the Pacific, we call it Senior Citizen department. It's run by our local govt and co-funded with the federal govt. I know that my mom got into the program via her doctor/clinic. The clinic assigned mom a social worker, who then connected mom/dad with the senior citizen department - which provided 4 hours a week to relieve the home caregivers and the meals-on-wheels (lunch only).

I used to also attend our monthly caregiver's meeting. We learned from each other's stories, and they even set up lawyers, Medicare, etc.. to educate us about POA, etc... So, they will also be a good source of information for you. Also, ask around your fellow caregivers... I was able to tell some of my fellow caregivers about where to buy inexpensive but strong washable waterproof bedpads. On island, one pad cost $25.00! In Amazon, I get buy a set of 3 for $25.00 + shipping.... I also told them that using those cheap blue liners when changing a bedridden person is lousy! The pee just rolls right off it, and onto the bed. I recommended using the puppy liners. It's about the same size but it absorbs the urine while you're changing the pamper...
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Thanks for responding about the death benefit and insurance. I called the retirement personnel office in the mainland. Aye! I got gently lectured by the person who answered the phone. I did NOT know that there's a deadline to turn in the forms. If I miss the deadline, everything will take over 6 months to process. It's going on 2 months. She told me to send it out today. I told her that the lawyer asked for dad's bank account number. She also told me that my family and the lawyer can't touch the money going to me. (Very little. Dad once said he took the basic life insurance of $10,000 or $20,000.) She said that I need to enclose copies of my birth certificates on both forms. I don't have my birth certificate. I haven't seen it in over 30 years. My main document since I was 19 years old was my passport. I just keep renewing it every 10 years. I've checked all my shelves and albums. No birth certificate. I'm going to have to get it 2 weeks from now when I the Wednesday afternoon off. Or ask my nephew to get a certified one. We have the same last name. Hopefully they're not a stickler.

Based on her advice to send it out today, I think I might be very close to the deadline. She gave me the name of the person handling dad's case. I called and her voicemail came on. She's on a 2 weeks training. In truth, I'm in no hurry. As long as I don't lose out. I will view that money as my future emergency money.

Hmmm... I'm going to call the life insurance. See if they will accept a copy of the passport instead of the birth certificate. I'm willing to throw in a copy of my valid driver's license and my work ID.
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Sorry Book, I re-read what you posted and    saw you already are going to get a copy
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Weird. I don't think I've ever been curious about what's in my birth certificate. Otherwise, I would have gotten one. I remembered when dad passed away and I was sent to the 'admission office' with a piece of paper stating dad's time of death. I asked my sisters and SIL to go with me. As I was filling out the form about dad, I realized I didn't know his father's first and middle name. I didn't even know his mom's real name (I knew her as Nana). Between the 5 of us, we figured out their full names. A few days later, I came across his birth certificate card. Gasp! Nana's last name on dad's birth certificate is NOT what we put down for the death certificate. Oops. We just shrugged and let it be.
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She returned my call. She checked the file and said that I don't need to include a birth certificate. I just need to include death certificate and verify the bank's routing number. 3:00 am. My alarm will be going off at 6:15am. I work today, Saturday morning. Time to try for some shut eyes even though I'm wide awake.
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Today we are sitting here waiting for my dad to pass. The nurse said it could be any time . I want him to pass peacefully and pain free. My mother is causing him great angst. The nurse said you can see it in the way he is thrashing around. She has dementia and won't leave him alone. The last 24 hours he has yelled many times for her to stop and leave him alone. She goes from wailing away in the room to banging things around, trying pour a glass of water down his throat, to piling blankets on him. The nurse tried talking to her and she wouldn't listen. I finally gave her both barrels and said I would remove her from the house,the nurses suggestion though I agree. My mom can be very self centered and is afraid of her own shadow. She was under Hospice care,but chases them all out. Today after having been here twelve days without much sleep her antics finally got to me. We have been begging her to follow the nurses direction and she will not listen. We are all stressed beyond belief and she is starting again.
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Oh Jim, how awful for everyone. It is understandable that she wants to fuss, but her brain is broken and you can't reason with dementia. Do you think it would help if the doctor could prescribe something to calm her down?
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Yes the doctor gave us a med. she hates me right now telling anyone who will listen I won't let her see her husband. I am doing what our Hospice nurses are telling me to do. They have all said the more upsetting the environment around my dad the longer it will take for him to pass and it will be harder. The minute my mother enters the room she starts loudly wailing away and you can immediately see how it affects my dad. My daughter has been sitting with her most of each day attempting to reason with her. It kind of all came out yesterday when she said nobody is paying attention to me. My mom has ruled the roost so to speak with my dad allowing her to have her way most of the time. My focus has been on my dad as I take care of the list of needs left by the nurses. The med schedule is overwhelming with various drugs being given alone and in combinations around the clock. It is daunting. My mom won't talk to me at all now so I have that pressure too. It got to me last night and I broke down. I hate to admit that as I am normally one to hold in my emotions. From raging headaches,weight loss, crohns flare up, not eating or sleeping for days , and what my mother said to me yesterday it just got me. My dad is in the active phase of death and the nurses have said very soon if his environment stays calm.
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Jim of course you are all overwhelmed. Anything your mother says or does is out of her control so hard as that may be don't take it personally. Her focus is on changing reality which is that Dad is dying and will no longer be there to meet her needs. So she is trying to prolong his life in every way she can.
I agree that the anxiety will likely prolong Dad's life and suffering but only as long as his body can sustain him.
You mentioned that Mom is also under hospice care. Do they have an inpatient facility where Mom could go at least temporally or could she be admitted to another facility for the 5 day respite hospice provides every benefit period. This is not something you can "make" her do unless she has been declared incompetent. The other alternative is to have Dad moved to a facility if he would agree to that. He probably won't agree to that either so you may have a hard time selling the idea of peace and quiet to him. A family member will usually be allowed to stay in a facility with their loved one and of course there is unrestricted visiting.
I am in two minds about preventing Mom from seeing Dad. Reasoning with her of course is out of the question and he is her life partner however unhealthy the relationship has been.
I don't think she should be given unlimited access and be allowed to do anything she wants.
Severey limit Mom's access and have two others in the room or just outside the door. As soon as she starts her chenanigans simply remove her. Forcibly removing her can be seen by some as elder abuse but on the other hand you are protecting another vulnerable adult - Dad. If she is allowed to do things like pouring water down his throat she could actually kill him.
Are the round the clock medications being given to Dad or Mom? If Dad is actively dying conventional medications are not necessary and hospice will usually recomend they be discontinued. The relief of current symptoms is the priority. High blood pressure and cholesterol are no longer important in someone who is dying. Pain, anxiety and the relief of any other symptoms should come first.
Try and get out of the house for a few hours so you can think clearly about how you want to proceed and then discuss with your hospice team about the containment of Mom going forward. It is impossible to give specific advice unless someone is on the ground actually observing the patient. Your hospice nurse is right there and observing the behavior so be guided by her team. No one appreciates someone second guessing a professional but asking questions and making sugestions is fine. You will get through this.
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How do I feel today?
Well I have had no sleep for two days cleaning up poop and giving my father in law showers to clean him up. I still have chores and school work to do but I am so burnt out . It has been 5 yrs taking care of my father in law with absolutely no help from his side of the family but that is ok they will get their rewards in the end. I look at it like they really don't know what I go though everyday but on the good days they are missing out on a lot quality time with their dad and they will regret it.
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JimL, how are you doing? How's the home front? Your dad? Is your mom still being the drama queen? Right now, it's your dad who needs you the most.

When my dad got a mild stroke, he could have gone back to walking if he did his physical therapy. He refused because 'it hurts' and he was tired of decades caregiving mom. He refused. He wanted to be pampered. So, it was his decision to be bed bound. My mom was in a vegetative-stage, 24/7 oxygen, trache on throat, stomach feeding tube, and needed constant throat suctioning every 5 minutes (she can choke)... Towards the end of mom's life, my dad wanted to be first - first to feed, first to change pamper, etc... Several times, I had to tell him that mom comes first. It was a constant struggle with him. It was like he no longer cared about mom's care and just only his. I never deviated - mom was first... I see your mother's actions similar to my dad's. {{{{HUG}}}}
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dbrooks, I can't stand poop mess. I tended to freeze when my dad used to touch his poop and smeared it on himself/bedding. I was totally grossed out and even with gloves on, I really didn't want to touch or go near him. I think you're a very strong person to be able to handle that!

Is there any way of finding someone, a non-family member, to help give you 'respite' from caregiving? Is there a senior division in your local government that might have a program that you may not be aware of? It sounds like you really need a break.
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I was able to watch the 1st happiness video, all 11 minutes. While I was watching the 2nd one, 8 minutes, I started to yawn. A lot. The next thing I knew, my head was thrown back, eyes closed, slumped on the chair and I was sleeping. I don't know what it is about these Happiness videos. It's like my body crashes. Well, it's a sign that I should just take my time. Later.
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Normally when I get my days off after 3 x 12 hour shifts, I am wiped out the next day. Hubs went to river house for 3 days with FIL and cousin, and so I was able to sleep last night without the 500 coughs and sneezes I normally have to hear, and the dog barking at the sneezes. OMG,, I felt great today!! Slept almost all night.. dog cuddly and quiet. Mom and I went running errands and to the orchard.. got her to eat.. a great day and no anxiety attack. Perhaps I need to tell hubs we need separate bedrooms? Yep, that is gonna go over like a lead balloon! And yes he has allergy meds but says they don't work!
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Pam, I can just hear your hubby when you tell him about the separate bedrooms. However, I'm glad that you were able to get a completely uninterrupted sleep. I was thinking that maybe Hubs, FIL and cousin should make the river house trip more often, like once a month!

On another note, it was driving me crazy that oldest bro, administrator, is not doing anything about Dad's Medicare bill for Part B coverage Oct-Dec, $750.00. I finally caved in and called Medicare. The guy was wondering why we were sent the Oct-Dec billing when they already have in their file that dad passed away in July. He's not able to do anything about the bill. I or my brother needs to contact Social Security. I called SS but they're closed. Yes, yes, I know. Brother as administrator should be handling this. They procrastinate. When they used to pay for our power bill or my car insurance (long, long, long, long time ago), they didn't pay the bills on time. I got delinquent notices from my insurance and we've had our power cut off. I finally took over the bills.
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I'm going crazy. The washing machine isn't working well, my mother's bathroom sink has a hard clog, I need to do my own work, and we have a foot doctor appointment tomorrow. My mother has gotten into a thing where she goes into a confused death spiral when she has a doctor appointment coming up. I can't not tell her, because it takes her hours to get ready to go. Last week she went into this death spiral, so I called and cancelled her eye doctor appointment. Then she got all well really fast. She had acted like it was her last day on earth.

Well, she's in her death spiral again today and I need to call the plumber. The washing machine repair person is coming Saturday and she is going to go have her nails tended to tomorrow. Gosh, why does this have to be so nerve wracking?
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Jessebelle,
Nerve wracking, yes!
Setting aside my own obligations, to serve someone who is being unreasonable has me shaking at times. So I am having to refocus my efforts.

If a person cancels their doctor appointments, can they cancel their nail appointments?
The problem is, probably not.

There is a lot on your list, wouldn't it be nice if we could re-do the list!
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