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((((((((((Hugs)))))))) SDPeg - what a depressing situation u r in. I think you have thought it through very well. You can influence someone only so much and yes u can lead a horse to water but not make him/her drink. Glad you are looking for resources for u and taking time to celebrate with ur daughter and granddaughter and also glad u have a male friend. Another perspective and more support is always good. Hopefully the paxil will help ur mum and also having company on Sunday for supper.

I do think u r doing all that u can. I know it is very painful watchung a loved one make what seems to us to be bad decisions. It is way too soon to lose ur mum too, but, if the worst comes to the worst, u will survive. I like to look at the worst and figure out how to cope with it, should it happen. Mostly it hasn't happened...

more (((((((((hugs))))))) and try toi have a good day, knowing that you r a wonderful and loving daughter
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hey all i trying to see if this computer is going to eat my message!
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I see your message so computer has not consumed it .... yet that is. I know how frustrating that is.
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ok it went through. Already lost one message today.
Sdpeg I'm sorry you are having a time with your mom eating. Has she got a feeding tube? If not, is that something that you could discuss with her doctor about getting her one. I know that depression is a horrible thing for someone to go through. I have had some myself for the last 18 months since taking care of my father. I finally had to go get on some meds for mine and it has helped alot,although i still have my moments with it, it is not as bad and this site has helped me more than you will ever know. Just to be able to vent to others and feel like you are not being judged about how you feel. It has been a godsend to me. I hope you will come back and talk to us and i hope that you find some help for your mom and her not wanting to eat. Love and hugs stormy
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Stormy: I agree with this site! Love it! No judging, plenty of hugs and support.
No my mom does not have a feeding tube at this point in time. I think she would resist that as well. Her next appt is 10/28 and we can only hope. I did have the blessed opportunity to talk to her doc's nurse and she said I can be reassured I am doing all I can in order to help my mom and no one could ask for me. I am appreciative for that. I will have to sit with her while she drinks the Ensure as I have caught her throwing it down the sink ... and this a.m. her pants are loose and she needs a safety pin.
I also am aware of the "victim"/"pity me" games she has played most of my life. She does it so slyly that sometimes I get caught up into the game(s) before I know it. I need to learn detachment (I did read the article on detachment on this site).
Thanks for your loving support!
Peg
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Your welcome sdpeg!
Well, the top of dads foot looks as red as the lower part of his leg and the foot looks a little swollen too. He has a drs appt with the dermatologist tues for his c!ellulitis. Don't know if that is going to do any good or not. And he finished all of his antibiotics yesterday too. Alot of good they did he still has it and it looks just as bad and i think it has gone to his foot now. So i guess we will see what it is going to look like after the weekend with no antibiotics. Talk to ya'll later stormy
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SDPeg, is there something your mother loves to eat? When my mother came to live with me she didn't eat almost anything. I "opened up" her stomach with things that she really loved (for example chocolate!) (bananas) (junk food of any kind) and when she opened up her stomach a bit, I started to put in something healthier. If you manage to whip some egg yolk with sugar until it becomes like a cream, and you add it to warm milk, and she eats/drinks a cup of that, that is very energetic and it is practically a dinner. Of course try to watch her so she eats it and she doesn't throw it in the sink. My mother loves this "cream" and I add a little bit of decaf, so it's even more tasty. You could also add a little bit of rum to it (I am not joking). If she wants to drink the rum, she has to eat the whole beastly thing!
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Have a super weekend fellow Care Partners..!!! Remember to put YOURSELF FIRST for 20 minutes each day..!!!

Blessings,
Bridget
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Hi Bridgert -have wondered how you are. NIce to see you dropping by.
stormy - hope the dermatologist has some answers for u -let us know who it looks without antibiotics - hows lil red doing?
ros - great ideas for SDPeg - hope u aren't having to work too hard
sdPeg - try to detach - it does mean the games won't work and in any case will make it all easier on you
starri - still a happy camper???
jam - how was the dentist???
ladee -now that u r "balanced" tell us what it is like lol - how was Marie's time away yesterday?
seeme - ((((((((hugs))))))) and hope u r having fun
vic - hope things are good with dad today and u r not too tired
Yeahright - (((((((hugs)))))) for u too, know these r hard days
shawna -working hard - ??? mum chasing you down the hallways??
spaz - how is your day going? doing something good for u I hope
carol - hope mum's knee is better and u r working on some stuff for u - wondering how long ago your siter died
mis, TPeg, John, asg, and others who I have forgotten let us know how u r doing -
as bridget says - take time for u every day

yesterday i was out and moving around for abut 60 min. today about 45 mins -working on 150 mins a week - anyone want to join me??? - some of u r probably moving around more than that - 3 of the 5 lbs that went on with the stress of the tooth is gone - 2 more to go and then try for some more - I have been stuck at this weight before - want to take off another 10 - cooking a nice roast for tonight for me - will last for a while - easy meals
love, hugs and prayers to all ♥♥♥
jo
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Hope this finds that everyone had a good afternoon. Things here are good. Taking Grandma to the doctor Tuesday and asking (I'm mean demanding) for an evaluation and to be referred to a doctor that deals with this dementia. Grandma is also got a cold and so does my hubby. I'll be next in line for it. I really hope not.
Good night all and take time to yourself.
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Evening ya'll. Came home from the Land of Oz, took something for my leg, and went to bed... how was Marie's coffee date you ask,emjo?? Well, that would require her TALKING about it.....I asked a few questions, was snapped at, alrighty then, so I really couldn't tell you....and I take back that I took back all the ugly things I have said about her..... I mean em, every single one of em.......and more so because I am so tired today... AND, I get to go see her shiny little face again tommorrow.... Ain't I the lucky one, no, Sonny is the lucky one, he forgets every ugly thing she says.....And God forgive me for asking for forgiveness for seeing that old bitty for who and what she is.....I am truly thinking about going and having this "Pollyanna Optimism" surgically removed.... When the Dr. asks me what my symptoms are, I am going to tell him, well, sometimes I see this tiny light at the end of the tunnel, and then BOOM, there is Marie...
UH, let's see, how long can you set and get a LECTURE on using too many noodles until you start laughing....I've never seen her so angry, but that was looking thru the tears in my eyes from laughing so hard..... oh yeah ya'll she was pissed.... she didn't speak to me for the rest of the day... will try this laughing thing again, seems to work....and Lord, thank you for giving me this mind that sees the humor in things so as not to go berserk and think I am untangling clothes hangars...for the new folks, well, I'll have to try and explain the clothes hanger thing later.....no harm was done to any old ladies in the making of this post...

SDPeg, after reading your post, what went thru my mind is POWERLESSNESS.. as caregivers we are all powerless over things that are happening to our charges, they are powerless over what is wrong with them... and that added together is a heart sinking awareness of how we can not do this without each other... We can not be surrounded by this all the time and not just feel we are going insane.... the pain of watching someone not eat, the pain of watching someone with Alz, the pain of being a target to their personality disorders, and on and on... I set by Ruth's bedside and watched her die..... even tho I knew she was going to be released from this earthly hell, I was powerless....

So, sometimes I wonder how any of us do this.... we are humans that have been taught to seek solutions, but we are not taught how to accept powerlessness... so we fret, worry, cry, get angry, get depressed,feel overwhelmed, and on and on... All because the majority of the time, there isn't a damn thing we can do in regard to the outcome of the situations we are in..... we make personal choices to try and take care of ourself.... And if we don't do that, then none of the rest of this has any meaning..... A hundred years from now, what will be more important.... that we let our health go to hell, that we are all on some type of antidepressant, that we felt GUILTY,,,,, or that at some point we made the choice to have some kind of life, a few minutes or hours to ourself in order to do a better job in life, not just for our charges....My laughing today, well, it was the most therapeutic thing I have done for myself in a long time in regard to Marie... I was myself, laughing at how absurd that whole picture was..... and she'll get over it, or she won't, remember, I am powerless over outcomes......I will not apologize for seeing the world in such chaos and then hearing her go round the bend over some friggin noodles.....

So, now that I have done my weekly commentary on our sometimes pathetic lives, because of choices we make, I will go get my stuff ready to go see her shiny angry face again tommorrow..... and for those of you that know me, well, you won't be surprised if I come home unemployed tommorrow..... but you also won't be surprised that I will have another job by Monday....... so let's do some laughing tonight, if only for a minute, the rest of this mess will still be here tomorrow in one form or another.... hugs across the miles and tons of gratitude for each and every one of you.....
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Good Evening Posse!

Home and I've been trying to get caught up on the posts.....so please forgive me if I run a thought or two together from more than one of you. I have a tendency to put everyone's trials and tribulations and happiness and joy into my brain and then I go on overload. As ladee says......I am the Mother Hen, although there are times when I would rather be the baby chick....:)

Dentist was okay today....he's a great guy and his office help are the sweetest bunch of gals. How many dentists provide paraffin treatments and movies to watch while you're in the chair? The next 3 Fridays will be office visits, with the last one having 4 teeth pulled......so you probably won't hear from me that day.....of course it might be interesting to see what I write after pain medications.....

I'm not sure where to start.....SDPeg......give the Paxil time to work, I will say out of all the anti-depressants it isn't my favorite, should give it a month at least. One thing to remember about anti-depressants is that a side effect is a tendency to increase appetites, thus weight gain. We started the col on Ensure a year ago, wasn't crazy about it, tried Boost...didn't like that at all. Her favorite is the generic that Wal-Mart sells, plus it's cheaper. Does Mom like oatmeal? The col has a bowl every morning with a scoop of vanilla ice cream mixed in....notice I said a scoop.....it was 3 scoops but since she has gained 13 lbs since the middle of June we are cutting that back a little. She LOVES sourdough bread and now that she is out growing all of her clothes, that has also been cut back. Instead of eating 17 slices in one day, she only gets one with a meal, 2 if she asks for a sandwich. How about pudding? And we buy jello parfait cups which she loves. Rossella your idea is excellent....I think I will try it for something different.

Earlier I was reading the worries that some of you are having and the replies that have been given and I am so thankful for all of you.....we learn from each other.

There isn't a single one of us who is 100% accepting of what we are doing. Did we know what we were getting into.....h$ll no, or most of us would have said no thank you. This is a tough job and at one point or another we feel helpless, angry, abused, manipulated, guilty. I read all the symptoms that each of you are dealing with daily, some are exactly alike, some couldn't be more different. That's why dementia is such an insidious disease.......where someone was a sweet, loving person their whole life, this disease turns them into a screaming monster......that's why I call it the "inner beast"......I hate it when that "thing" decides to manifest itself. Some of you discuss how your loved one is manipulating to get their way.....FOG.....bless you CMag.......the col is starting to use the "if it makes me happy, then you should be happy to do.........." oh, contraire my little chickadee, doesn't work that way. I learned by telling her no, she will still wake up the next morning and eat, poop, pee just like before she was told no. And besides, 10 minutes later, she doesn't remember it anyway. Everyone's priority should be "self".....if you are not in a good place mentally and emotionally how are you supposed to care for someone else? I've repeated this several times over the past year here.............your life and health should not be put in the trash can just so you can take care of a family member. Sometimes placing that loved one in a NH or other facility shows just how much you do care, because you only want the best for them. Not everyone is able or willing to take that loved one into their home and contrary to what some people think....it's okay to place them. It's perfectly okay to say "no, I can't do it". I've learned myself, that I can't care for the col by myself, because to do so would be to the detriment of my mental and physical health. So we have help 5 days a week, which makes the evenings with her more enjoyable and the weekends easier to get through. But when the time comes when she can no longer function safely in her own home, she will be placed. And I will do it without one ounce of guilt because I know it will be done with her best interests in mind. Carol, you said something in an earlier post about your mom wanting a girdle and stockings....tell her they don't make them anymore. The col harped constantly about getting a perm......she used to wear her beautiful white hair hanging past her shoulders and insisted on hot rollers and had to have a perm. I called her my "electrified Q-tip"......we had her hair cut into a nice, short 'do that's easy to take care of but she still yammered about a perm.....finally the stylist told her they quit making them because they were so harsh on people's heads. Would you believe she hasn't mentioned one since? Sometimes you have to use a fiblet to steer them onto something else.
Bottom line is there is no perfect answer for any of us. We struggle along doing the best that we know how for our loved one......but we can't do it at the expense of our own well-being. And please remember that angels watch over each and every one of you and the rewards you get for what you are doing will be given later.....I know it feels like a thankless job.....and if our loved ones were living with a fully functional brain they would tell us how much they appreciate us.

On a lighter note.....have you seen the Stouffer commercial with the family standing at the bottom of the stairs and the son standing on the stairs in some type of space get-up saying "not gonna take it off"? Well, just imagine instead a little col standing there saying that to me..............she has a new pair of gray jammies that she wants to wear out to eat.

emjo.....while you're doing your walk...would you just throw in some for me? Makes it easier for me that way.....:)
seeme......is having a fish fry today............yum and yum!
ladee.....hope Miss Marie was better today. Having more time off is an excellent idea.
starri.......is in Wyoming looking at cattle. How's the weather?
stormy,ASG, Vic, Cmag.....come out of the man cave.....YR...big hugs, our Pegs, Shawna, Rossella, Yellow........did I miss anyone? Been a long day. But love to you all......................

Love and Hugz my friends,
Jam
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mis......I'm sorry everyone is feeling under the weather. Is it a cold or allergies? Ragweed has been high around here and I'm constantly sneezing. Good luck with getting Grandma into a specialist. And I mean that sincerely.

Love and Hugz,
Jam
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Hope all have a great week end. I have to go to work in the morning , the girls will go with me. Dave will be home asleep and we have a nice lady coming in to stay awhile with my Mother. I have really missed her going to day care this week. Don't know when or if she will go back. How long will a knee fracture last? I can really grasp the post about being powerless over the things that happen. While others seem to have a good attitude I find it hard to accept.
Carol
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It was a lovely day at my daughter's for her and her daughter's birthdays. We played wii and I had a great time UNTIL ... I received a text from a reliable source stating my "Golden Boy/Hero Brother" is coming out to "visit" with my mom. I have mixed emotions about this. I am glad he will see my mom and her withering body BUT when he saw my dad in ill health, he didn't believe it (denial). So I have my guard up. And also I am concerned that he will interrupt the treatment my mom's doctor has her on saying "she's ok" like he likes to do with people in ill health (he just cannot see it).
Powerlessness is a brilliant word! Thank you! I have no power over my mom's reluctance to eat nor does he and that puts us on equal footing. If she doesn't want to eat, she won't. Someone suggested a nice cream drink and adding rum ~ seeing as my mom doesn't drink alcohol and seeing as I don't do milk products my question is: CAN I HAVE THE RUM BY ITSELF? Whew! That question made me feel good!
You know I must say, I really do feel the hugs... I really do! And I really feel so welcomed and embraced by the best bunch of people I have never met but had the pleasure to know.
I have two tests on Monday and have to study ALL weekend (in the midst of dreading the sibling visit) so I may not be on much ... who am I kidding? I will check but may not be posting much...but will read. I find that if I read the posts before retiring for the night and welcoming slumber, I sleep much better.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart!!!
Peg, San Diego
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Jam, Ladee, great posts.
Ladee, maybe Marie was so overwhelmed by the fact that you had done something good for her, that now she behaves very badly because she is testing you, to see if you will continue to do sweet things for her. Or maybe she had a very bad afternoon and she blames you for that! Who knows. The absurdity of people's behavior, both old and young, both healthy and sick, is something that amazes me all the time! Of course, I am absurd according to their point of view, too! I wanted to write a book about the lack of communication among people and I had a plot, but for a reason or another I can't write it. I am afraid it will remain forever a plot!
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Strange that you mentioned your book Ro, was thinking about that today and was going to ask you what it was going to be about... and if there is a book in you, it will get written.... of course you need more solitude and alone time to get that accomplished, but you will do it... It is one of your hearts desires to do this... so it must get done... and lack of communication is a great idea.... I find myself getting so edgy when I am around passive-aggresive people,,, but I have given up trying to "guess" what thet are really saying... the whole "noodle" thing today was because she was so vague in what she wanted and I was too busy to count noodles... oh God, that sounds so strange doesn't it... how will we know when we have all lost our minds?????? Who will be here to tell us???? love ya Ro and glad you liked the pic of the Diva, doesn't she just LOOK like , "don't touch me"....hugs to you this evening...
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Ladeeda: I love you! You freed me of the anxiety I am having about my brother's secretive, upcoming visit! That's it! He is passive agressive and I am always trying to figure out what he really is saying (shoot, and why) and I feel as though I am forever on the defensive wondering if his snide remarks are about me or he is just unhappy in general. Thank you , thank you, thank you!!!! He is NOT picking on ME, he is just pitifully unhappy with his life and has to passively yet aggressively try to control others. Engaging in conversation will be much easier now. Thank you!!!! Peg (San Diego)
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Emjo~I Have some extra wieght too Lol. It used to be that I could diet for a week and drop 5lbs. Now ive been trying to drop for a year and have stayed the same it sucks.
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Ms. Smiliey, how old is your grandma? I think my elder has dementia to, but her Dr. dosn't even seem interested in testing her. She even told him oneday she thinks she is losing her mind, did he have anything for that, he gave her a deer in the headlight look and she says oh well, i would probably have to see a different doctor for that and he just changed the subject. This was the only appointment I have been to. She dosn't seem the least bit interested in finding out for sure. It is frustration, cause you think if you can get a diagnosis maybe they can get some meds to control the symptoms. I guess she will eventually get bad enough, she wont have a choice. Good luck. I hope you are able to get some awnsers.
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Thanks SDPeg, happy to hear my rambling had some positive outcome.... and let us know how it goes with the bro.... we'll be thinking about you...
ASG, what a bind you are in... can't make her go to another dr. the one she has doesn't care, and in the meantime, you are with a woman with many faces and you never know who is going to stick her head our her door... love ya girl, and you are doing an awesome job....
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Ladee!! Loved your post, Sounds a lot like antie going biserk over towels in my floor and such. She has been a sweet heart for a couple of days. Hubby and I had some buisness to attend to so she was by herself most of the day yeaterday. We were having a late supper in a local reasturant and she calls me panicked, where are you? then she said she was better that she knew we were in town. She was fine when we got home. Dosn't like us being gone, but until there is a good reason for her to not be left alone, im gonna try to get a break when I can. Sometimes all you can do is laugh, otherwise you will cry. Does Sonny still play pick up sticks? Poor guy.
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Peg Rum? Yes.....as long as you share:)
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Hey gang I just got lil' red laid down. Boy that child of mine has gotten where he does not want to go to sleep. And me and hubby take turns on laying down with him each night. He laid down with him last night and tonight was my nite. Most of the time we go to sleep b4 red does. I try to stay awake so i can get back up but most of the time i don't make it. I have to drink coffee 30 min to an hour before i lay down with him or i will be out like a light.
Well right before i left dads this afternoon to go pick up red from daycare. I asked dad did he want something to eat and he said some meatloaf that we had leftover and let me just say that was a mess and the wrong thing for him to eat. He got choked or strangled on it. He coughed for 30 minutes trying to get straightened out. I had mucus coming out of him from every orfice. Mouth, nose and trach.YUCK! OH but that wasn't the worst of it he coughs meatloaf particles out of his trach and that is like aspirating meatloaf into your lungs. When i saw that i was like oh SHI$! Then he finally was able to speak for a minute to tell me something was hung up down there. I was sweating bullets. So i put some sterile water in his trach(they are called saline bullets) and gave him some of his puffs of his breathing treatment and then he does a big cough and out comes more meatloaf. I finally had to call sis to come up there to take over and help him because i had to leave to go get red. But he was doing better when i was getting ready to leave but i just wanted sis up there to make sure he was alright. Now I bet in a few days; maybe tomorrow he is going to feel like shi$. Because when he aspirates something he always has a bad couple of days. Maybe he won't. I just about needed a nerve pill on the way to the daycare. But i was ready to get outta there! And this is going on the third day that his knee is swollen the one where he has cellulitis at. I have asked him does it hurt and he says no. But then this afternoon he wanted me to look at it again and i asked him why does it hurt and he said yes and i asked him where and he said from the knee all the way down. I said oh Lord. So here i go again rubbing his leg and putting neosporin on it. Knowing none of this is doing any good. I really believe he has something going on with his immune system. It's just not working right or something. Well I hope all of ya'll have a good nights sleep! Love and hugs stormyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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ASG, Sonny has not been good the past few days, very confused. But I take him outside and we fill up the bird bath, water some plants, and he'll pick up a stick or two... but he is really enjoying watching the birds building thier nests in the bird house, he can set there and relax and we make ups stories about the birds and laugh..... he is a sweetheart.... and hate to see the decline I have seen the past few days... but he is never ugly or demanding, just a little sweety,, and I am blessed to be able to care for him.....
And you are right about getting out with hubby while you can.... enjoy that time, and besides she can pick up towels while you're gone... love ya..
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Jam, aunt just had a perm. I love it when she gets a perm, i get a couple hrs. to myself. She goes once a week to the beauty shop and gets her hair washed and done. So when we have a shower we just wash the body. I have tried to get her to let me help her fix her hair but she wont. Im not sure what she is afraid of. I told her one day when she was upset cause she needed to go to the dr the day before her hair appt. i could spray it and fix but she owuldnt listen oh well gotta go
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Emjo- lil' red is fine just wild as ever and non-stop!!!!! And loves to talk ALL THE TIME! I hope your mouth is feeling better these days! Love ya Stormyyyyyyyyyyyy
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ASG- grandma is 87 yrs young she turns 88 in November. I can relate getting away with my husband for a couple of hrs a day. Grandma doesn't like being by herself either for a few hrs. She'll ask us if we're coming back and always we tell her yes and we've got some things to take care of.
Jam - nope it's not allergies. It's a cold and I woke up this early am and getting it too. This Michigan weather doesn't help much one day its sunny and 70 next day its 50 and rainy welcome to fall.

Funny and true story. One day this summer my husband said Grandma can I cut that willow tree down. It's really messy and the roots messed up the blades on the riding lawn mower. Grandma said, this place is going to yours someday so do what you want to do. So 2 days later my husband and fil started to cut the tree down and oh, boy it was on. Grandma was madder than all get out. She asked me who gave him permission and pacing back in forth in front of window and then she went to the screen door yelling and told me that she was going to kick my husband out. She has said this a thousand and one times to the both of us. Finally I said if you kick him out than I'll have to go too and so will be Peanut (our little chihuahua) and you wouldn't want us to go because than you'll be all by yourself and then my sil (who I have no use for) will have to take care of you. Grandma then ask me did she give him permission to cut the tree. I told her yes she did and she asked me are you just saying that? I told her no, but I'll tell what we can do. We can ground him from his playstation, 4 wheeler and take his truck keys away. After that she calmed down and everything was alright.

Hope everyone has a good morning. Gotta get off of here and get some things done while everyone is still asleep and enjoy some me time. Hugs across the the miles.
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Ladee, yes, the most difficult thing is to understand when "we" are losing it! I wonder, sometimes, if the decline has not begun already for me!
Stormy what a ordeal! What do you have to give your father, just liquid food? It must have been a terrible experience!
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Taking the day off from elders and adult child. 85-y.o. mom's dementia is definitely getting in the way of going ahead with projects that will help her stay in her home. Will have to pay professionals to do the tasks that I cannot continue to do after 2 years because as a freelancer I need to get more work. And my aunt is still "working on getting her papers together" to see a lawyer. She's been working on it since January 2010. She still hasn't put anything in place for her 60-y.o. schizophrenic son's care. Frustrated and saddened, because I know it'll all fall on me.
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