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I sponge bath my mum every day and shower her twice a week. I have to say showering is a damn sight easier but a sponge bath takes me 20-30 minutes and a shower about 45 minutes. I always sit my mum on a clean commode for a sponge bath that I place on a slip proof sheet - that way if or when I splash it doesn't matter. I never wash her face I always use cleansers and moisturizers just as she has done for years. I use non rinse stuff in the water white flannels for everything except personal hygiene and I use blue towels for those ...if I did wash her face I would have a separate flannel for that too. I cream her entire body with body cream, apply cavilon to intimate areas and pain gel to her lower back. Finally I brush her hair - oh and dress her including continence pads etc. By wrapping her in several large really warm towels I find that she is almost dry before I start to dry her and after I have removed the two bowls of water (one for intimate areas one for everywhere else) I use a hair drier to dry her skin as much as possible to a) keep her warm and b) not to tear the very delicate skin she now has. At it's very worst it has taken me 45 minutes for the sponge bath but mum is compliant - that said it cannot possibly take 3 hours. PS don't use a hair drier after a shower unless you take said person out of the bathroom - electrocution is not something you want to contribute to!!!
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Sounds as though you have made a friend ther Glad
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I cannot sing her enough praises. Why there are nights that she has stayed, not really a reason other than to offer me support. We will chat, watch some shows, have a glass of wine, and it is all so relaxing and pleasurable for me. No she does not charge for my therapy.
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Glad, those kinds of respite caregivers are rare, a gem.
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My respite worker, regular Saturday agency careiver, will do anything to help without me asking. I swear she reads my mind sometimes. She cooks, cleans, does laundry and folds it. She has even shoveled snow and done some yard work. I could not do without her.
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What did the respite organization tell you was their duties when they come to your home? Every year, I get interviewed for respite care. If they think that I still qualify, they renew my membership. When I'm approved, my social worker pulls out this form and asked me to check mark what I would like my respite caregiver to do. There's a list of duties that they provide and I can check mark as many as I want/need.

My dad's needs are very simple. The gov't caregivers give him sponge baths but they do not do haircuts or shaving. For my respite workers, all he wants is for them to shave him once a week and light massages on his legs. That's it.

So, my question to you is - what was told to you about the duties of the respite worker? It could be that what you think is their duties may be in conflict of what they think is their duties. But, I think that if they touch something, they should clean up after themselves or your mom while on duty. When the gov't caregivers sponge bath dad, they're suppose to put the load in the washer. But sis and I always do it instead of them - our choice. They ONLY mop the area around my dad's bed - Not the whole livingroom floor. Again, your expectations vs. their policy.
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Sanity53, i just hate hearing things like this...i just dont understand people and how ridiculous it is that people who are being paid to do a job cant manage to do it correctly especially when it involves caring for another human being! Obviously theyre just looking to be in a job where they do as little as possible and still get paid...lazy and uncaring. Im sorry you are having to go through this amd this is why many people have to resort to moving their parent to a facility...because no good home care can be found! I will be in this same situation on another 6 months to a year...and i worry constantly about it. Hugs to you.
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all I can say about having a respite caregiver and not getting the results you have one for its time to look for new help..
I only have one for 6 hours a week 3 on tues 3 on fri mostly to give mom a bed bath , lunch (that I set up) maybe change sheets , fold a basket of clothes or unload the dish washer . cant be all that hard moms sleeps a lot .. but I have come home to un wiped table where mom eats, debris in the sink or moms lunch dishes, my dishes put away in any which way (bowls and dishes an glasses) its a small kitchen pretty clear on where stuff goes!!! if she does vacuum its just the front rug, never wipes off counter, even asked to just lets just say to put moms clothes in some kind of order in 2 freaking drawers , (nightgowns were with socks , pants with pull ups etc, its like she just threw them in there !!! lets just say I that I come home to more work than I left .
last week I had to put all 6 of my hours together to go see my daughter a 2 hr drive 2 with my daughter 2 hr drive home ],, I had to set up lunch and dinner and dogs dinner ,, came home to dishes not put away, no vacuuming , her soda can on the mantle and 2 of moms pre made dinners gone from freezer * and I know the aide brought her own ) I have no problem her finding a snack for herself but !!!! I made those for my own convince for my week nights.
she takes no self charge to do just the common things,,
I worked my self doing homemakers and companions while looking for a full time after I lost my job had no clue id be living it soon after,,, BUT I would never leave dishes in the sink for a tired family member to come home to ,,,
not to mention she is always late!!!! I understand things happen but twice I had made appts one I had to cancel so there went my mammogram. until ???????? and the day I came home from seeing my daughter my heat was up to 85 !! there went my last few gallons of oil, and all the lights on and the tv going I left a note asking to leave on the front porch lights, and living room light and lock the front door * id be home about an hour after sheleft cause of travel time ),,,, I finally complained and asked the agency t find a replacement but they don't have any one in my area,,,, its just not working,,, she does take care of mom but I know mom sleeps a lot and I cant imagine that a sponge bath takes 3 hrs,, I think judge judge is more important than my dishes in the cupboards
now im trying to find some help for the 3 days I have to leave house overnight fior my daughters graduation ????? how am I going to go and relax and enjoy the special day away
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I miss my mom so very much; it's unbearable. It's been a year and 5 months since she was here with me and feels like just yesterday. I pray and thank God for all my blessings every day ~ for the blessings I have still and for all the blessings I was bestowed when my mom was here with me ~ oh my God how I miss my mom.
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Book, it sounds like it is time for a new adventure. Plan your future, it couldmbe coming faster than you think. I have only been doing this for 3.5 years and it is my life now. It is very discomforting to think about what I need to do to reclaim my life if ts is succesful at having Mom placed. Then what? I cannot imagine the difficulty of 20+ years of this in your case. If dad wants you off accounts then tell him he needs to do it. Do not offer to help him and tell him why. Get in touch with APS and tell them his accusations and demands and that you are leaving. Your Dad will be left to his own devices. It sounds like that is what he wants. When did doc say he is competent? How long ago? Maybe he is and if so then without you he may just decide to leave his bed and start living again. I realize your culture has firm beliefs in caring for their elders, but it seems that if the elder does not want the help, then nobody should take that responsibility away from them either.

Sorry, I missed you post about difficulties with Dad a few days ago. Been wrapped up in the latest here.
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Pam, great that your mom and aunt are getting together doing things. And you daughters get to go, too. I hope you enjoy yourselves!

Veronica, I want to talk to talk to her to set up guidelines. If she cannot follow these guidelines, then I will make a formal complaint to her work. SHE was the one who reported me to the social worker. And the social worker asked me why this and that with dad, etc.. I thought that odd cg should have approached me to ask me before reporting me. I was quite upset and emailed back the social worker that I would be happy to set up an appointment with her, dad and his home nurse and hash out all these 'itemizations'. She was satisfied without having to do that.

I know that I should do tit for tat. Just as odd cg reported me without asking me, I should do the same to the same social worker. But my conscience is getting in the way. Problem is that odd cg only visits when I'm at work.

Something happened today. I came home and dad was upset with me. He ordered me to stop telling oldest bro about what's happening here in the house. It is none of my brother's business. Just as it is none of my business what he does with his money. I told him straight out that I will continue to tell bro what's happening because when I move out, he will be taking over.

I'm on a new mission. I will spending the next few hours googling acid reflux/GERD. With the stress and all these meds I've been taking, I think it has exacerbated my acid reflux. It seems to get really bad every time I take the prevention headache meds Maxalt-MLT. I'm getting really bad burning tongue, lips and upper roof of my mouth, burning throat. That's the only new thing that I've been taking the past week - the same the acid reflux really jumped up. I've made an appointment for this with my doc on 30Mar. My clinic's regular hours are only Monday-Friday. After hours and weekends are urgent care. I've heard that when you go to urgent care, they tell you to follow up with your doctor.
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Book I think the time is long since past to tell odd caregiver's employers that she is conning Dad into giving her large amounts of money. It is no respite for you if you are worrying about what she is doing while you are out of the house.
How is dad going to get to the bank to take your name off the account? Can you just say "No"? or is that too bold in your culture?
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We had a great day today... I had about 5 days mostly gone for work seminar, and Hubs and mom did great. Today daughter and I took 84 year old mom to get her ears pierced !! They had grown shut over the years, and she and my 81 year old aunt have booked a "bucket list" trip back to Ireland for June and she wants to be able to wear her earrings! She is so happy about this it almost makes up for Dads passing ( aunts hubs passed 8 months ago). The four of us are going, and Aunt and her 2 daughtes.. sudden decision by Aunt.. I may have some problems at work ( but boss said "do what you gotta do,, God bless her). I am hoping for the best here.. Thank god she is happy about something!! dad's passing so fast sort of took the stuffing out of her.
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By the way, I strongly recommend getting those emergency lights that you plug to the electrical outlet. When the power goes off, the light turns on. I bought several of those. The Red Cross Emergency light works pretty well. It was sold as a set. I have one in the livingroom, my bedroom, sis' bedroom and in my purse (sometimes leave late at night from work and the parking lot is so scary, dark and no people around.) Our power suddenly shut off, all went dark, and the light immediately turned on. Before, when this happened, I used my laptop's screen light to turn on the battery-operated emergency lantern. So, if you don't have one, it's so worth getting it.
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Pam, the doctors say that he has a very sharp mind. He can talk really well, very educational stuff on various subjects. It doesn't help that when I'm home, I'm using watching CNN or Fox news. So, he's also up-to-date about Obama, terrorist, etc...Last year, the hospital doctor asked him if he was a doctor. My dad is still competent. Just very forgetful and confuse. Gullible.

The odd caregiver was suppose to come today. I was going to talk to her about accepting money from dad and receipts. If she continues to accept large amounts of money, I will file a complaint to her work. She is My Respite caregiver (not dad's) from a national organization. If this doesn't work, I may need to do a visit at the APS and see what options I have. Then go to a lawyer.

I will be very nervous. I won't remember much of what is discussed. I will need to bring someone with me. I tend to block very unpleasant memories. Gynecologist said that he thought I have ovarian cancer, I went into shock. After that diagnosis, all following visits, doc called the cancer 'complications.' In my mind, 'complications' became severe endometriosis. I completely forgot about the cancer until SIL dropped by and was shocked when the medical referral agent said that I was flying to Hawaii to the women/children cancer hospital. I completely forgot about the cancer. My mind wiped it off completely and replaced it with endometriosis. So, when I get stressed, my mind shuts down and I run on automatic.

It's still too soon to try for guardianship. Don't even think POA yet.
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book, is it possible for you to get Guardianship? The suspicious attitude is often part of early dementia. We got to a point where we just wrote the checks and paid mom's bills without discussing it with her. She would just start to argue.
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Book, you may be right that it's time to move out. It's also time for dad to be in a facility.
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He won't forget. Odd caregiver visited yesterday while I was at work. Dad wants to give her money and 10 small cartons of milk. I insisted that we pay her for legitimate services and receipts if she buys things for him..and he wants me to mind my own business.
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Book he will have forgotten all about it in the morning. That nasty old man actually loves you but this is a good time to start exploring your options and find out how you are going to manage away from the house.
This is the only control he has left so he takes out all his frustrations on you. He know full well you are a very good daughter whatever he says to the contary. Sleep well.
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Oldest brother of next door used to have his name on dad's bank accounts. He was the first one to be blamed for stealing dad's money. Dad took me to the bank. He took out brother's name and put mine in. Now I'm next to be blamed.. He even threatened to call the cops on me. 1am...time to sleep since I need to get up at 6am.
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Wow Book. Well if your brother is supposed to be the responsible one but isn't and your dad wants you off the account I do not know what you can do. It's sad that you are not recognized by your siblings for all the work you have done and are doing for your Dad. It's ultimatim time.
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Came home late at 7pm, and the first thing dad said to me, "I'm warning you about touching my money." I asked him straight out, "Are you accusing me of taking your money?" He kept denying it. Yet, when I asked him, "If you're saying that I'm taking your money, do you want me to take my name out of your account?" He wants me to take my name out of his bank account. He said that he can take out his own money by himself (yeah, right, he's bedridden and terrified of leaving it.) Once we do that, I won't have access of his money to pay for the house bills and house insurance and his tax returns. If that happens, I have no business being here in this house. I spent close to 16 years using my paycheck to pay ALL the house bills (power, water, cable) and mom's medical supplies and appointments except for the house insurance - as my rent payment. I only found out that my dad should have been paying for these things - when I found this site. That my helping with mom was my payment for rent. I'm Not going to go back to those times when I paid for everything. So, if he stops me from accessing his bank account, it's time for me to move out. I'm going to check on my options. Discuss this with oldest bro - since he is suppose to be the one taking care of the parents (he admitted this when mom died.)

I've sent a text to SIL that we need to meet and discuss this. We need to find the day to take dad to the bank to take my name out, and then I will move out. So we need to figure out how/who to replace my name in dad's account or apply for an ATM card. Who's going to help oldest sis take care of him, etc....

Strange... my super sensitive conscience is not acting up. I guess I've finally reached the end of my rope. Can't really Honor your parents if the parent no longer trusts you, and is fighting you, etc....

I feel so sorry for him. When I move out, none of the family will take care of him the way I do. I've been doing this close to 24 years with mom. I know the signs of potential bedsores and attack aggressively. I know when he's having allergic reactions to his herbal supplements and have been doing subterfuge to cut back on it. My family, even oldest sis, will not care. They won't think 'prevention.' I would come home at 630pm, and dad is soaking wet because he spilled his drink all over him, the bedding and onto the floor. Yet oldest sis did nothing. When I changed his pamper at 9pm, I found his shirt, bedding were soaking wet. I couldn't believe it. I guess it doesn't matter that he's soaking wet in an air con room, that he might get pneumonia, etc.. I guess their attitude is - If he dies, he dies. Like he said tonight, I'm a bad daughter. The daughter who makes sure he's clean, his bedding is clean, his table is clean, his floor is clean.... If I'm a bad daughter, I wonder what he's going to think of the relatives when they take over. I'm tired. I will need to remember to buy newspapers daily to look for an apartment to rent.
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Sometimes I a, my own worst enemy. Last month we bought the foreclosed property next door and we (yes you read it right) are giving away the 23 yr old mobile home to whomever will pay to move it. Anyhow the new owner and the moving guy came last night to look over. I stubbed my foot on a small pipe and strained glute/hamstring. Lots of pain. And have to work so will be on feet all day. But have applied TENS unit which is helping.
Bought Dad some Easter decor for his room and made a wreath this morning.
It's like a competition who can change the holiday decor the fastest.
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Thank you Chimonger for all the information on the water and fluids The lady i take care of said water hurts her stomach because she had ulcers and stomach surgery a long time ok That might be why she cant drink her water But she does get other fluids I appreicaite you answer very helpful Carolyn
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Sheryl, that sounds like a good plan. You've got everything covered regarding legality. No need to be too detailed with your mom about her 'forgetfulness '.

Hi, Kroger. When I drink water, it upsets my stomach. If I drink water without food, I get stomach pain. I have a feeling I might have ulcer since I tend to be starving by 4pm but get off work at 6pm. Chimonger gave some great information.

Chimonger, thanks for the info. I like the info about the thickening agent.
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KROGER123456,
===Is she having any difficulty swallowing?
===Is she afraid she might lose continence if she drinks enough fluids?
===Does she like healthy things, or novel things?
Absolutely, water is best for rehydrating.
===But if the water at your house is like the water at our house, it's nasty Municipal water loaded with chlorine, etc. chemicals--which leaves one feeling more thirsty than they started out.

If problem swallowing, might consider a thickening agent--just enough to make it more like a full-liquid, like a thickened soup? There are thickening agents available, that come as a powder and sprinkle into the drink.
This helps anyone with swallowing difficulties.
Flavoring can be helpful, too.
I'm the LAST person to advise artificial flavoring and coloring, but, maybe those Mio water flavors might help? I've seen them at Walmart [no fan of them, either, but hey--sometimes, ya gotta.]

If she is afraid of peeing herself, but is given water thickened with chia seeds, for instance, it can be a bit more jelled, and, can have flavor added.
Coconut water is superb for giving elders or anyone at risk for dehydration, the electrolytes they need. It can also be flavored, to entice someone to drink more of it. Chia seeds are NOT probably a good idea, for people with dentures though.
OTH, chia seeds add nutritional intake which is very good, AND, help keep the bowels softly moving nicely.

For nasty Muni-water, we checked with our district, learned they only add chlorine, no Fluoride, and no Chloramines.
Therefore, we can use the KDF + charcoal shower filters, and, a solid-carbon block charcoal filter for the drinking and cooking water.
Voila', far better flavor, and far less caustic on the skin.
We're at a new location; theoretically, we only need to change these every 4 to 6 months...I'm thinking quarterly.
IF one has fluoride in the water, that requires a special filter to remove.
IF there are Chloramines in the water, that also requires a special filter to remove.
I went online, I think it was US filters, and ordered a countertop housing with a spigot, that hooks to the faucet.
They also have under-sink units.
I ordered the most common-size carbon block filters, to make sure we can always find one to fit, even from most stores that carry water filters. [2" x 10"--these are slightly less than those dimensions, but close]
They will try to sell you some massively more expensive units...but 1st check your water department, to learn what is actually in your water.....you might have to call a few times, to get the real deal.
It's worth it!

FINALLY...
If the patient is complaining that water hurts her stomach, more questions might need asked...like, to localize where it actually hurts her, for instance.
What temperatures of food or drink sooth it or make it worse?
You can't really "reason" or be logical with a dementia patient.
But sometimes, at some stages, you might try telling them that if they don't drink enough water, they might get a UTI--those hurt worse.
Keep telling them to drink the fluids, to prevent UTI's. Some of it might sink in, some of the time.

IF they are fearful of peeing themselves, maybe help them with a panty liner product for incontinence, or, make sure to take them to the potty more often, to help or remind them...sometimes they just forget, or, get busy [in their heads] thinking other things, and get distracted from paying attention to body needs---kinda like little kids.

IF she is also not eating much, THAT can cause stomach pain in some, which feels like if they put something else into the stomach, it might make it hurt worse---but it can actually help relieve that ache...especially if they sip it. That can be a nuisance, to remind or assist someone to drink something every 15 minutes or so, but sometimes, ya gotta do that.

OR, try serving it warm, maybe with a squirt of lemon or lime juice into it.
Temperature of the water for some, needs to be warm, while temperature for others, needs to be room temp or chilled.
This can change over time.

Keep working at it. You are aware and know she needs fluids...that's half the battle! Keep up the good work!
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Does anyone have any suggestions On how to get a dementia patient to drink her fluids she said water bother her stomach Or any other fluids she drinks coconut water and other fluids not enough Dont want to get dehydrated
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Hello I been going through The caregiver stress So i can relate with all the comments I take care and live with my sisiter motherlaw So i here preety much 24 7 It became a full time I have days I don't know how much more I can take And im getting burn out Will it like a roller coaster ride of emotions And since they cant understand They want they control And argumentive Some day she as nice and calms as she can be other she not Her physical health is good It just her mental declining I try the best I can But it hard in the situations Thanks for the comments and this forum Glad us caregivers have somewhere to vent
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Yes i did get her to sign a POA about 6 months ago and she has a living will for DNR. My name is on her bank account, car, house, and a few investments she has. I wont be bringing up the diagnoses .... you are all right...will just prepare for future needs as they arise.
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sorry, ...your mom's TURN for the better!
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