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Notlike..my parents are liked that..it takes the doc telling them what I have been telling them befor they will accept. Think it is the era they grew up in....oh well..
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Ladee-Oh, you opptimist, you! Mom would only take HER OTC meds. She paged the doctor in the morning and never got a call back. So at 4 PM, she decided her throat hurt too much and she wanted to go to the ER. That was four hours of time to be told she had a viral infection and to take tylenol. She did thank me, though, for taking her, so that is progress. I know we have to be carefull because she's on chemo. The ER doc agreed with that, and spent alot of time explaining to her why he wouldn't give her any antibiotics. She seemed more relaxed afterwards, knowing what was wrong. But why do these things happen when even urgent care is closed and I'm in the middle of making dinner? Such is life. BTW-I took a "nap" like that two weekends ago. I'm putting it down to holiday stress and needing to re-charge!
Burned-I sounds likeyou are doing the best you can with your children. The fact that you worry shows how much you care. It seems like you are on the right track with parenting and therapy. Good for you. Hugs.
Welcome to the newest people. Hugs and prayers to you.
Mom's still sleeping. Hope she feels better today.
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Cmag..know the feelings you felt. Still feel isolated even though we are in same town we have been in for many years. Parents are isolated because all their friends are far away. They do call from time to time and you should see the happiness in their faces when someone calls or is thinking of them. My friends...well I found I have very few but as dad always said you can count your true friends on your fingers. It is a lonely life we lead. But we reach out to this place and find others who are in the same or similar situations as we are and going through the same feelings. Loved the article I read that shelia posted on this thread wanted to say something when I read the article yesterday....many of the "not okays" well...I do and do out of love. As one lady was telling us about having her parents in nursing home and the horrid treatment they were getting.. Never want that for my parents...just the way I feel. What hurts the most for me is my church community..there are a few that keep in touch but no one ever calls or visits very often to see how parents are dong..to me that is sad and if I think abut it I get upset. We all have things going on in life but sometimes we have to take time for those who are ill or home bound. A call a visit..I do my best to take them to Mass every week but still ... Not many asks "how are you?" there are several that sit by us and talk to mom. And ask how dad is and how she is..I am comforted by that but..... Sorry folks got on a roll. Just know it would have been different for parents if we had moved to them. But at the time they wanted to move here..and dad was very active here that should have meant for something. And friends who care about me..I know there are a few.. A text MSG would be nice every once in awhile...
Dad had an ok day yesterday. I was fussy with mom as she was on a roll right behind me picking up things and straightening just because I moved....arghhhhh. And the lady who sits with dad once a week..guess I will have to ask her to clean his privates in the bed after using the bathroom. He was very raw and in pain by the time we got home.... They like her very much and I do too but...when a person is going down hill and can't stand well then ...other means need to be taken. I guess I am too picky..I want the best for my parents. Know I need time away but not at their expense...
Hopefully we will make it to church today..will order and pick up lunch as it is so hard for dad these days to eat. He didn't want his lunch yesterday but did have some soup and a sandwich last night. Sometimes I think he would be happier if he went on to heaven.. Seems like he doesn't even try. I feel for him especially this time of year when I can't take him outside he looks at tv but don't really know if he is following and he is not reading much anymore...
Well enough of my thoughts...thanks for listening
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welcome z1z2, yep, at one time or another we all feel the same things...amazing isn't it....that no matter what, we do not have to feel isolated or alone... someone somewhere understands how we feel.... so hope you come back and join the craziness here... it helps... hugs
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If I just took a little part of everyones thoughts here,It would explain me, and how I feel too!!! We have everything in common. I also am very tired, frustrated, and sore all over. Well, we will get up and do it all over again.......
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Hi, folks. I haven't been posting lately, but I've been reading all the posts. I'll post again when I've processed everything that's going on. But I do want to share this article I just read.

What’s OK and What’s Not OK When You Are a Caregiver

By Cindy Laverty, January 17, 2012

Everywhere I travel and meet caregivers, I see a common theme: Most family caregivers are afraid to ask for help. Somehow people think that they should just miraculously know how to care for an aging loved one.

Why would you know this? You did not receive PhD in Caregiving and your loved one poses challenges that you don't have the answers to. As I'm listening to their challenges, frustrations, fears, sorrows, stress-induced situations and overall feelings of being overwhelmed, I find that many caregivers seem to need permission from a professional to ask for help. So very simply, I reach out and take the person's hand, and give permission. Usually there is an instant look of relief in the person's face. It's incredible that giving someone permission to not be perfect helps relieve the pressure and the stress.

Caregivers frequently suffer from severely stressful emotions that can control and even ruin their lives. Sadly, these are the caregivers who, for whatever reason, have refused to ask for help or seek professional advice either from a medical doctor or a therapist. In order to manage the caregiving journey, you simply must step out of your comfort zone and find alternative methods for dealing with your personal situation.

The only way that family caregivers can sustain all that needs to be done to care for a loved one is to delegate responsibility and ask for help. It's really simple and it changes lives.

Here are some things that I think are okay for caregivers:

It's okay to be scared.
It's okay to be angry, lost, sad and even depressed.
It's okay to lose your patience.
It's okay that you don't want to sacrifice your whole life for someone else. And you shouldn't.
It's okay that your self-esteem feels damaged.
It's okay that you make mistakes.
It's okay that you don't know how to do everything.
It's okay that you don't have the answers.
It's okay that you don't have a cure.
It's okay that you're not there all the time.
It's okay that you sometimes have extreme feelings towards the person for whom you are caring.
It's okay that you lost your temper.
It's okay that you had to apologize.
It's okay that you're afraid.
It's okay that you can't get everything done in a day.
It's okay that you have guilt. All caregivers have guilt.
It's okay that you have compassion fatigue.
It's okay you feel trapped.
It's okay that you took a few days for yourself.
It's okay that you vented to your spouse or friend.

All of these things are absolutely okay. How you manage them is going to make the difference between becoming an Empowered Caregiver or staying in a hopeless situation.

Here are some things that are NOT okay.

It's not okay that you feel like you have to do everything yourself.
It's not okay that you feel like an indentured servant.
It's not okay that you are ignoring your personal needs.
It's not okay that you are ignoring friends and social activities.
It's not okay that asking for help paralyzes you.
It's not okay that you don't have a plan in place.
It's not okay to feel helpless and hopeless for days on end.
It's not okay that you have stopped doing activities you once loved.
It's not okay that you are afraid to say "no" or "not now."
It's not okay that your siblings don't help you.
It's not okay that you don't have boundaries in place.
It's not okay that you feel unappreciated by your family.
It's not okay that you have lost pride in what you are doing for another human being.
It's not okay to sacrifice your financial security.
It's not okay that you do everything your loved one wants, especially when the demands can be outrageous.
It's not okay that you don't sleep or eat properly.
It's not okay that you are constantly exhausted when help is available, if you would only seek it.
It's not okay that you are sacrificing your personal health for another.
It's not okay that you are constantly trying to fix everything that is wrong.
It's not okay that you are living your life in crisis.

If any of the above rings true for you, then decide right now that you will get the help you need. Decide that you will live your life in a better way. Decide that you will take the necessary steps to ask for and get answers to the challenges that you are facing. Decide today that you are worth the time, energy and financial investment to survive, thrive and become an Empowered Caregiver.
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oldwonderful3, Welcome! I went to your profile to see what else I could learn to help me see the bigger picture. I saw you had posted on the thread, "Has anyone placed your love one in a nursing home after the care became to much for you?"

It sounds like you are quite a bit younger than your husband. It appears that his sons basically left him long before he asked for you two to move. I've heard of grown children, who don't visit their parents right there in the same town, who get angry when their parents decided to sell their home and go live somewhere else. It is sad to hear about the hate and bitterness they have over ya'll leaving, but I don't understand why when they had stopped coming to see him except for the youngest.

I"m glad to hear that you have returned to attending church and are making some new friends. I hear a lot of anticipatory grief in the statement about not knowing what you will wake up to every morning in terms of will he still be with you and a lot of deep grief in the statement that this is not the life ya'll had planned.

Life not turning out as we had planned seems to be true for many of us, myself included. After working for 20 years, I found myself going on disability because of medical reasons and my wife had gone on disability the year before me, plus we had two boys in middle school and now they are in college. We never dreamed that either of us, much less both would be disabled and disabled so young. I never dreamed that my mom and step-dad were lying to us about their finances when in 2009, I discovered they had not filed taxes since 2004. What a mess that was to clean up as an only child. My wife and I are both still grieving over no longer being able to work and now we have an empty nest which is an adjustment as well. I'm 11 years younger than retired people and feel very lonely in society and in church. Basically everyone who was my friend because of work all went away once I went on disability. We live in a town that I never dreamed that I would live in. We didn't know anyone here when we moved here in 2003 and we don't have any relatives here either. My wife has made many friends but there are more opportunities for women to network like book clubs, etc. but still she is years younger than most of those women.

I still can't wrap my mind around your children hating ya'll moving and being bitter over it when as you say, they had stopped coming to see him except the youngest. Sounds like your husband is not as lonely as before. Why did they abandon him?

Please come back and talk with us some more. Prayers for you!
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oldwonderful3, maybe you can talk with us . I'm not sure what you meant by "like you" . Do you mean a tired caregiver or the issues with your children? Or both... ?There is thread about dysfunctional families here in the sight.... just look under "more from the community".... but let us hear from you again and let us know how you are doing... you are going thru a lot of changes.... prayers and hugs to you...
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I cared or my loving husband for 3 yrs but after becoming ill myself I had to put him in a nursing home. For the next 3 yrs our children quit coming to c him, except for the youngest. So after awakening from a semi coma, o 7 days, he asked if we could move to our grandson 828 miles away. After 43 yrs of loving this special man, who gave me everything I said "Sure!". The hate & bitterness with the children left behind is very stronge. The lonelyness is so hard. Where do I go to find others like me?
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Hi Marj......your posts are great and just keep doing it....you will be comfortable with it all before you know it. Sorry to hear about mil....maybe she is in the starting phase of something and all the symptoms just haven't shown up yet. I know, sounds weird but that happens...... the last time I was at the doc's I mentioned that I didn't feel quite right and he said to come back when the symptoms got worse and he would know what he was dealing with. Well, alrighty then....lol. Keep us posted on how she is doing. To ask for help when she doesn't normally could be a big deal, but glad it wasn't today and she's doing okay.....big hugs...
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Marj, sorry to hear of your mil's problems... maybe someone here has had a similair situation and give help you out to understand what happened...did the urgent care Dr. have any ideas, maybe a TIA????
Happy to see you back... let us know how she is doing..... prayers for her and you and your family...
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Ok, so maybe I spoke too soon about everything being good here. My MIL stayed in bed most of yesterday, altho' she did get up for lunch and dinner. This AM she got up and dressed, came out and made her coffee and went to get the paper off the front porch. I came in from the back where I was having my morning tea and she was just standing near the door....she asked for help....something she NEVER does and we had to help her to a chair, so weak she could hardly put one foot in front of the other. After some discussion, it was off to urgent care, where they did blood work, urinalysis, and chest x-ray, all negative. Dr. gave her antibiotics, more as preventative than anything obvious, because of her age. Said if she hasn't snapped out of it by mid-week, go see her regular Dr. or ask for him (same clinic). She is back in bed, after lunch and a cup of broth for fluid.
Thinking about the morning, I know she was not herself at the clinic, because she never once mentioned about her husband being a doctor and how she worked with him in the office for 37 years and that she is just old and that's all that is wrong with her [sigh]. Guess we will just wait and see how things go the next few days. She has been sick twice before since she has lived with us and each time snapped out of it in a day or two.

Thanks to everyone who welcomed me. Posting on the web is not something I am used to doing, but I'll keep trying. Many of you have stories that I can identify with, and maybe some things I have learned over the years can help someone else. Hugs to all !
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Thanks Ro for letting us know about LindaH, sent her a note on her wall.....
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Ro....thank you for letting us know about Linda. Will sent her a note. Hope your head is okay now....oh my, stay out of the chair when you're sleepy.....sounds like narcolepsy. I've been following the news on the ship every day....such a sad event.

burned.....sounds like you have things well in hand....just a couple of normal, rambunctious kids.....

Hugs to all tonight,
Jam
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Jam, our "Titanic" accident was in Tuscany, about 100 miles north from where I live, and that is an area that I know very well because we owned a little house on the Tuscany Coast, and I have been on Isola del Giglio (Lily Island), where the accident happened. As you know, it all happened because of the extremely stupid habit of approaching the big ships to the coast to "say hello" to an island, or a coastal town. It is an act of "bravery" made by the pilot and accepted by the ship companies, which this time cost the life to many people.
The chair on wheels was a good idea theoretically, but tonight I sat on it and I fell suddenly asleep (when I fall asleep I faint), and I fell from the chair and I hurt my head and my foot and my knee! I am happy it happened to me and not to my mother. So the chair is good, but just to move her around. She mustn't fall asleep on it!
Jam, Ladee, everyone of you who was in the Grossed Out thread, if you wish, write something to Linda Hardebeck (Lindaheart). Her father, whom she adores, is declining rapidly and this is a huge sorrow for her. And if this were not enough, she lost a niece (21 years old) a few days ago for a car accident. She is overwhelmed and she needs all the support she can have...
Big kiss to everyone
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I have his living will/directive document with his Mpa with the doctor and I also have the will already...my daughter is in therapy already has been going since she is the oldest...eventually plan to have them in therapy together with the therapist so she can help understand the many roles I play. I am on antidepressant that is suppose to help with the panic attacks and does not...my doctor won't prescribe any for me leaving it up to the neurologist who wouldnt refill my antivan which did nothing for me....I am on zyrtec for allergies and naproxen for my headaches( they think they are fake,,,when I truly get ugly migraines from everything I deal with)....I do keep em on a schedule but its so hard and most of the time I let them play hard and they are good with their imaginations...just so much to do but i do have chores for them and i structure at least every day bit of house cleaning etc and then one day full house cleaning etc....love them to death but they tore my bedroom up...styrofoam all over the place got to love it...I grew up in a semi strict household so I try to lighten things up but I do set ground rules and they do follow them ...still get the usual whine and fussiness but i thinking i am keeping it together...some days i do not know tho lol.
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OH Jam, thanks for the laugh out loud this morning.... just love reading along and the POW an unexpected laugh...... yeah getting the chickens to cooperate is a bitch..... can only shake my head about the things we talk about here sometimes.... isn't it great....!!!!!!!!!
And I thank each and every one of you for your contribution of making this a great place to come to and read, vent, laugh, and have and give support..... grateful for you all... love , hugs, angels....
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Good Morning AGAIN Posse!

Ro.....I so enjoyed reading about the antics of your fur babies....sounds like the little heathens that live here...lol. Glad the chair is working out for Mom....how much easier on you that will be! How far away from you is the capsized cruise ship? I guess I really don't know where you are located.....other than about 50 mi from Rome.

notlike.....glad to hear Dad made it through treatment just fine. And sorry Mom is having sinus problems....I'm sure that doesn't put her in a very good mood, but at least you are able to help her without an argument......I guess there comes a time in everyone's life when we start to concentrate on "end of life". When we had the col's Dead Documents done, we did ours also. We finished paying her funeral expenses about a month ago. She had told us that she only owed for the opening and closing which was $275.....that is now $750....plus a bunch of other small things that no one had ever told her...so $1000 finished things up for her. The only thing we will do ourselves is submit her obit to the paper....they wanted $300 to do that for us! I don't think so.

burned......counseling for the kids is probably a good idea as Dad's illness affects them also.....it takes away from your time for them and they really don't understand the dynamics of what is going on in the household. Putting them on a schedule will help also. The important things to do right now with all the paperwork is to make sure you have Power of Attorney, medical and financial....how about Advanced Directives......and you might also look into making a Will.

ladee.....sounds like you got some sleep........must have been quiet for a change or maybe you were so tired the music didn't wake you?

I googled "chicken butt-warmers" yesterday and didn't come up with a thing. River you're going to have to share that pattern....I just want to see them. I saw the rose colored glasses on Storage Wars........and they were worth a bundle. When we first bought this house we talked about getting some chickens so we could have our own eggs.....kind of glad now we didn't.....I'd have to crochet for them! The hard part is getting them to put them on....:)

Hope y'all check in and let us know how you're doing today..........thinking of each of you.

Happy Trails,
Jam
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Speaking of naps, I layed down yesterday for awhile to get rid of a headache, woke up at 11:30 last night.... finally went back to bed at 2 this morning.... not sure what that's called, but it wasn't a 'nap'....
River, chicken butt warmers... ok, I'm going to make an ass of myself, as I live in a rural community, am going to ask around about butt warmers.... makes sense as I have seen some pretty messed up chickens..... lacking feathers on the rear end...glad you are here, you make us laugh, and to think, and to use our imagination.....lol
burned, happy to hear you are not even considering letting her in your home.... good move... and notlikemom had a good suggestion for maybe getting the kids some counseling with all that's going on....you have made a lot of progress burned, keep on keepin' on....
notlikemom, glad to hear dad had no major problems with his first treatment...and mom actually let you give her OTC meds... and didn't accuse you of trying to kill her with them.... is this progress???? I know, I know, am I delusional, yes, but that has nothing to do with the question.....
Will get caught up and get back with ya'll later... love and hugs....
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Good Morning Posse!

Up early and had a nice long post written and POOF!!!!!! Need more coffee before I can do it again. Thinking of you all and will rewrite in a little while................
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Riverleigh-My parents have funeral plots and I am tired of hearing about them, too. They bought 4 when sis and I were young. Now they want hubby and I to have them. I'd rather be cremated, but I guess i'll take the free spaces. My parents actually went to the cemetary this week to discuss arrangements. I told Dad a basic funeral and burial would cost 10K, but he didn't believe me until he heard it from the funeral people. I know because we burried my FIL a few years ago. Dad;s thinking of donating his body to the Medical College like his brother, so I have to research that.
Ladee-I can see you and your baseball bat, in full righteous glory! Please bring it here and use it on my neighbor who is shoveling outside the bedrooms at 5 AM!
Jam-hope you find the quilt.
Vic-sounds like a pretty wondeful day. So glad for you.
Stormy-prayers that cyst gets fixed without problems.
Rossell-So cool the wheeled chair worked! My dogs eat like crazy things. Eveyone has their own bowl to start with, then they switch around until they've checked the other bowls. They all get the same food, everyday, so I really don't know what they are expecting to be different! LOL
Burned-panic attacks are awful. I know, I've had them. Please talk to a doctor and see about getting some meds. It really helps. Your pediatritian might have info on helping your children cope. There should be resources out there. Hugs.
Dad had his first treatment yesterday and it went well. Thank goodness, One down, five more to go.
Mom's got a sinus issue, but OTC stuff is helping. Her old doctor gave her antibiotics every time she sneezed. I don't agree with that, and have told her so. I've also offered to take her to the doctor if that's what she wants. She hasn't asked yet to go, so we'll see if she gets better on her own.
Another weekend - yeah! There's always too much to do, but I'll get some of it done. And a nap!
Have a good day everyone.
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I have no room for her here and her constant bickering...not ever gonna let it happen..the woman is fighting to get her ssdi but she has been denied and then had it taken away etc etc...she is not with it and sleeps away. the one time i get into it with her when we were staying with her and her ex husband she actually got up and start cleaning after bad mouthing me ...thinking i had no back bone....I have it all the way past the neck with his family....lol funny thing she said i didnt know how to be a mother when I took her kids in for almost 3 yrs before I had mine...So no...she is gonna have to go to homeless shelter or one of her children is gonna have to stand up and accept the burden. Her ex husband needs his life and house back....he doesn't want to be her babysitter.,,anymore than I. My husband has gone a paranoid bent is that more common with epileptic ppl or no....because he is worried that his siblings will come out of the woodwork when they haven't given a damn at all ...even in o7 when he was on his death bed then also they said they didn't want no part of it. I am also having to force his primary doctor to give me MPA early because he doesnt write checks and barely knows what he is signing unless i explain it to him. I am also having a nasty panic attack after doing errands and cleaning house. I am firm with the kids but they got mix of missourian and kentuckian blood in them...so it makes for alot of stubborness. I havent been able to take them to the park or anything because they do not listen....right now hubby is trying to help but they think he is not serious enough....How can I tell a 5 and almost 7 yr old what i have to do to where they can understand ....I am at a loss ..I love them but on the flip side i may have found a regular sitter hoorah for me...ill be able to manage hubby's appt better and she has excellent references...so maybe i can apply for child care vouchers with the state to compensate for the baby sitting cost cuz i am still looking for another job besides the one I have...so any ideas...
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Yaaaaay Ro, something as simple as a chair with wheels.... and it gets her closer to the bed... what a great investment, even if it took you two hours to put it together..
So the furbabies have found a leader in Dorothy and now you have a rebellion....Bet the neighbor dog is one happy little bundle of fur.....You never know, he may have put them up to it, smelling all those good smells coming from your kitchen.....The Diva gets special food too, but she is fifteen and I only have the one....spoiled babies, but no sense in having them if we don't spoil them....
Am glad this week is over...but Ro, the motor home doesn't work, I had to have it towed here... but I can have it towed somewhere else....and beleive me, if it would drive... I would already have moved... but it's a plan in progress.....I am surrounded by millions of acres of woods, surely someone has a spot for me and my ratty trailer....am going to put an ad in the paper and see what happens... at least i'll feel like I am doing something....
will check back in later.... going to try and get rid of this headache.....
love and hugs...
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BTW I bought the chair on wheels for my mother (I had to assemble it - 200 pieces! It took me 2 hours!). When my mother started to call me I was in the kitchen and she was in the living room. I put her on the new chair and carried her in the kitchen with me. She was there for 10 minutes and then she told me she wanted to go back to the living room. So I said: "Don't call me anymore, otherwise I take you back here in the kitchen". Apparently she understood because she didn't call me anymore and after a while I found her asleep on the new chair. So I directly put her in bed and it was very good because I could push the chair close to the bed. (I have to explain that the kitchen and the living room are adjoining, so when I do the cooking I am 2 yards away from my mother who is in the living room!)
I think she likes the mobile chair, after all!
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Marirob, please continue to write. It is so refreshing to hear stories of happy, or half-happy, caregiving!
River, when my mother's head was still working, she always talked about her funerals, mostly about the place where she wanted to be put when she would fly in the sky. As it happens in many southern italian families, we have a family vault (well 3, in fact) so I grew up listening to my mother and aunts and grandparents arguing "I want to go there: above Uncle xx and under Aunt yy, while you can go in the other vault, between granduncle zz and grandaunt ww". and it seemed very queer to me. Apparently, there are better places and worse places. Why? Is there a better view? Creepy and funny at the same time! But I have to confess that last time I was at the cemetery in my home village I started to think: "Where will they put me? Can I choose?"
Burned, I know you are sorry for your SIL, but you can't keep her too.
Ladee, what's the point of having a mobile home if you don't move it when you don't like the place where you are? I am sure that if in the weekends you will look for a better place, you will find it.
There has been a revolution in my pet family because I have always fed Camilla, my oldest dog, with better food because she is the oldest. Dorothy realized it and she wants the same food as Camilla. Now Erika (the 3rd girl) has realized it too, and she wants the same food as Camilla and Dorothy. And Rexy, the boy of the family, is on strike too. So I cook pasta and meat for everybody, and nobody wants it anymore. So I give it to the neighbour's dog, who eats all the pasta of my 4 dogs and he doesn't complain.
Dogs!
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Glad to hear you have an appt stormy.....now don't cancel...:) If they need to lance it, I know that stings, but better than it getting really infected....and it will be over before you know it. If sis isn't already drinking cranberry juice, she might want to consider that. Don't know how much that really helps, but a lot of people swear by it.

Had a nice visit with the col.....oh my goodness the things we said to her didn't even penetrate....she just kept looking at us and saying "I'm so glad you came to visit". Her doctor came in to see her while we were there and she decided to show him how well she can stand. Butt didn't move off that wheelchair an inch. Her quilt is no where to be found. If it hasn't shown up by Monday, going to call the administrator and tell her that it would be a good idea for it to show up. I hate to buy things for other peoples' beds when the col is the one who should have it. After the fact, it will be donated, but not before.
Lack of sleep is catching up with me....power nap time.

Happy Trails,
Jam
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Well, I had a whole long post ready and it went into cyber space upon submissions.
Suffice it to say, I've read the posts. I'm laughing about the chicken butt warmers and a few other things. But I don't have time to re-write now.

So......hugs and warm wishes to all. TTYL Bee
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Jam-got a appt monday at 9:30 to get it check out. And sis just has the occasional kidney infection or where her back hurts where the kidneys are. She feels better today though. I just hope they don't have to cut me monday. UGH...... Love and hugs stormyyyyyy
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Well I don't know about butt warmers but I know they used to have rose colored glasses that were placed on the chicken's beaks to keep them from pecking and drawing blood....I guess if they see blood they go bonkers....I guess I'd better Google butt warmers....lol

Thank you for reminding me Vic!!!!!!!
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Jam: Sorry about the cold...but you reminded me about a site on the web I visited looking for patterns. Have a question about chickens...I crochet and I came across a pattern for chicken butt warmers. A lady who owns chickens said her rooster pecks the chickens tail feathers off and since she lives in frigid Washington state, she crocheted butt warmers for her chickens (about 70). She took a picture of her chicken (herd?) what do you call a bunch of chickens? all wearing colorful butt warmers! You seem like a reliable source...so I will ask...can you Really put butt warmers on chickens? You just never know with the internest and photoshop...I have the pattern but I can't figure out how the end result would well fit over the chicken end...?
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