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Oh, lyn, my heart goes out to you. This must be so painful. You are having to manage a very difficult situation and also process your own feelings/grief over the loss of the mate you knew. Prayers -you have them for sure. Safety for all has to be primary. I am sorry that Bill's physical aggression has come out at your son. How is he doing? As many have said here, Alz takes a dreadful toll of the person who has it, and of course on their loved ones. Do keep us updated and do know you are doing trhe right thing. Do the doctor's think he should be placed?
Big (((((((((((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))))))))) joan
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Hi guys. Sorry I haven't had time to interact. Bill (57) is in the psych unit. Keeping him safe and keeping our 17 year old safe is (Bill's physical aggression is towards Jack so far) top priority (as well as the rest of the public with Bill's refusal to give up driving). Family and friends want me to place him. Today he sounds coherent and almost like the fella I married. Would welcome your prayers. Even as a Behavioral Specialist, I am helpless. He cannot control himself with the Alzheimer's. Lyn
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ros, know what you mean about the silence. It can be bothersome. I always wish my Mother would talk and show a little personality. She often just sits and stares. I really don't understand that behavior. This morning she was quiet going to daycare. I asked if she felt well ; she said she did and then when we got there she told them that she just felt fair. Of course the first question they had for me was " Are you okay today?" At least I wasn't as angry as I was yesterday. My mother has to be cued to eat. Don't know why her not eating aggravates me so. I just seem to have lost control. I've thought often that this is the beginning of the end. Like you I too wish sometimes for Mother to be the spunky person she was. Yes this life is full of changes. Dealing with that can be hard. Oh well , have a good day all.
Carol
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One of the best pieces of advice I can give is this:

When you are flying, and the stewards are giving you instructions about the oxygen masks, they always say if you are traveling with children and the masks come down, PUT YOURS ON FIRST......you can't help anyone else if you don't take care of yourself first.......so anyone in stess........just breathe.........
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Good Morning Posse!

Thought I would check in before I start my day and wish a good day for everyone!

Carol....if Mom is clean, fed and her basic needs are being met then you have nothing to worry about. I know it makes you feel like you are standing on a giant stage with a huge floodlight on you when an event occurs with Mom........one of these days I will tell you the story of "pillow therapy".......but until these ignorant people have walked for an hour in your care giving shoes they should mind their own business. Those on the outside don't have a clue what goes on inside......and I don't mean just the non-care givers....I'm talking other care givers also. That's why everyone congregates to sites such as this. It's unfortunate though as care givers, we have to watch what we say and do, because there are others who THINK they are experts and can cause one a lot of grief. People have made it so that it's difficult to express our frustration and loss of patience. Maybe if care givers were allowed to act like the humans we are, and express our emotions, there wouldn't be so much dependency on chemical interventions. "Here, don't be frustrated because your parent is eating pingo again or hasn't bathed in 6 months, take another pill".......AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

ladee.......the weather today is in the 60's here.....now next week it may be freezing again....only in MO, right ASG?

Okay, need to hit the shower.........will check back with everyone later.

Happy Trails,
Jam
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Hearing about all this cold makes me grateful we will be in the 70's this week, couldn't handle all that ice and snow.....
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emjo-I live in Wisconsin-south end, near Chicago. But we call the Packers football stadium The Frozen Tundra, and it does get nasty hear sometimes. Freezing rain this morning. It's been a warm winter so far. Sis is taking Mom for a CT of her lungs this morning. Safe driving to everyone today.
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jo, please check your e-mail.
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Like it - heck no, but grew up with it. Actually if it is not too bad without a wind down to about 0. Below that, it can be not much fun.
Notlike - how far north are you? I have been here over 30 years,
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Carol I am in the same place as you are. I have lost my patience - with my mother and with everyone! I am lucky my mother, after the flu, is much more quiet and so I don't get nervous. Rather, I am worried she is "so" quiet. But I must say I needed this "break". I don't know if she will go back to her old self and we'll have to give her Seroquel again. By now she is so absent that she just needs to be fed and washed. Part of me would like to have my "fighter" mother again, part of me enjoys the silence. Who knows what it will come next? This life is so full of surprises. Take care... And kisses to everybody else
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Emjio...wow do you like the cold? Id love to go do christmas vacation somewhere where im sure to have a white one. I it was pretty warm here this time round. CAROL.don't worry honey we all get frustrated and in a hurry like notlike said...what mother hasn't done that to her child. Ir is good the place cares but like you I think id be bothered. But you shouldn't be. If you have been going there for 2it or 3a years perhaps they do know you well enough to know you would never hurt mom. Maybe that's why they were concerned. Maybe a new hide saw and made a bigger production of it than what it was. Sometimes in a nursing facility you will have new nurses/ new aids who don't haven't quit picked up on the atmosphere yet,or know who is who yet. If they hadn't been around long enough maybe that's why. Or maybe someone else was having a bad day and made some drama. I wouldn't worry. It does get very frustrating trying to dress them. When hey can't focus on what you are doing, you try to go one way they go another. I wouldn't worry. Tommarrow is the dawn the dawn of a new day. If anyone mentions it again
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mis and seeme-thanks for the pallitive care info. And glad you had good visits with Grandma today, mis.
emjo-thanks, it's good to remember I'm not the problem. The massage was wonderful! Hope yours is good too. Didn't get to the movie, but we had dinner and did a bit of shopping. Good day. I thought I lived in the Frozen Tundra! Drive on a frozen lake? No way! I feel so southernly compared to that. LOL
allshe-Did you take some time for yourself when your Aunt was out?
carol-Sometimes when we're frustrated, we hurry. And the ones we care for can make a big production out of an accidental tug or pull when undressing. We don't mean harm, but it doesn't look that way. It's good the daycare is so concerned, it must be a very good place. Maybe try focusing on the piece of clothes you are working on..just think of the coat. Then think of the sweater. Then the boots, ect. If you think too far ahead, it seems like a long time before the coat ever gets off. And you said you were nervous, so that didn't help. You are human and it showed. What mother hasn't accidentally tugged a sleave or dragged a snap over a squirming child's head, trying to get them dressed? If you need a minute, just leave the coat on until you're ready to deal with it. I feel for you...as I nurse I've helped alot of people get dressed/undressed, and it doesn't always go smoothly. That does not make you a bad person! Hugs.
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hi asg - I am in Northern Alberta - Fort McMurray and travelling north to Fort Chipewyan and Fort Smith. What they say about Fort Mc is that it isn't the a$$ end of the world, but you can see it from here. We will be crossing the Bridge to Nowhere (yes that is its name) on the way north. I have looked at Ice Road truckers - looks like life on the winter road. You need to take emergency supplies and warm clothes, candles etc, but you could need those in civilized areas too if there is a blizzard. Glad auntie had a good time and is settled in now
carol, sorry you got upset - are you on any antidepressants or other meds?may be something to help you with that frustration. it is a really tough job and not good if you feel you could hurt yourself.
I would say just go to the Day care anyway. Hope you can put into practice some of the stress relievers the social worker suggested
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Hope all are well and having good night. My day didn't work out the way I wanted. I was very angry , which I know was wrong, when I took my Mom to daycare. The staff sensed my feelings . I was trying to get Mother's coat off and I guess they thought I was too rough.. Don't know wt I did. Anyway the social worker called to check on me. I got turned in. She offered suggestions for me to help relieve my stress. I really appreciate their interest. She kept telling me she was concerned about my safety and that of my mothers'. I told her I would never hurt my mother though I might hurt myslef but never Mother. We have been going there off and on for two or three years. Surely they know I might get flustrated and upset but I am not violate. Now I am embarrassed to take Mother in the morning
Hopefully tomorrow will be better.
Stormy , i don't think your Dad is trying to put guilt on you. I think he feels he can be by himself and doesn't understand why you don't feel the same. Your Dad seems to have his faculties. We know you are trying to keep him safe. Just as the daycare is keeping me Mom safe. As Scarlett O'Hara said" Tomorrow is
another day". Good night all.
Carol
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Ice road truckers!!!! My hubby loves hat show...those men and women make a lotta money doing that. Jo where are you from? Aunt went and had dinner today with some ladies. She didn't want to go but I encouraged her. They picked her up too.:) it wore her out so all was quiet...its time to put her to bed. Thinking of you all.
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Ah, piece of cake, mis!!! They actually have redirected the road to the edge of the lake so it is not as bad, Mind you, if there is a blizzard and the road gets lost in the snow, you just have to hunker down, and wait for someone with a snowmobile to come and get you. Happened to my daughter once. They had to go get their car the next day. They also got lost in the delta once when they travelled up there one summer in a motorboat. She and her hubby used to live there. Small town - you would call a cab and say - Take me to Myrna's house, and the cabby knew where it was, or the cabby would tell you Myrna is over at Maggie's place, I better take you there, After grocery shopping, she caught a cab and said "Take me home."

Once we were up there and I stopped at a house to ask directions to a relative's house. The lady told me."She lives up by Uncle Aphonses's -and waved her arm up the hill, You must know where he lives, He has lived there all his life!

I just called a guest house operation and booked a cabin. I asked her where I could get a map to find a place. She said "Oh, Fort Smith is small, you won't have any trouble finding it".

As long as there isn't a blizzard!

Life in the north!!!
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We went up to the hospital not once but twice today. The first time both Rob and I fed grandma and the hospice cooridnator came in and told us that there was a room available for tomorrow. So she goes to the hospice house tomorrow which is a lot better than being in that darn hospital. We used the same place when my mil was in her last days. She was more alert today. I printed a picture that had grandma, daisy and peanut in it. She kept pointing at Daisy her "little girl" we told her that Daisy was eating. Grandma also padded me on the back today and that surprised me.
The second time we went up we brought my aunt Ellen with us and grandma was happy to see her.
We got to talk to Barb, she came on Fridays and told her what happened and Barb is coming to see her tomorrow.

jam, ladeeda, emjo, ro, stormy, notlike, and anyone else I hope things are going well in your neck of the woods. Good night everyone!!!
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emjo - sounds like your trip will be fun. Driving across the ice is something I wouldn't do. I watched Ice Road Truckers too many times. Have fun and Happy New year to you.
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Ladee-Jam- thanks for understanding. It's kinda hard to talk to dad about these things. I guess we think that he would think that it is our duty to look after him. Since he is our father. At one time about a month or so ago dad did say something to sis about that it was crazy for us to have to pay mary to come in and stay for 4 hours a day. That he could stay by his self or go stay at our family business with sis until she gets off work at 8pm. But he is just worried about the money aspect of it. About paying for her to come and stay with him. Dad has the money to pay for her to come and for others to help out also. So that is not the issue. And he has bcbs and medicare. His house is paid for. I guess it's just having a outsider coming in. Don't really know if he would go for another one. If i tell mary to come in a little early on a day he asks she is here early. Like he is saying, "Why is she here early?" And then i have to tell him why. It just makes me feel like he is thinking i should be staying with him more. Oh well got to bathe connor. Love and hugs stormy
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ladee you are doing such a great job with Sonny and Marie, hope she lets you take him for an outing - love "communication with compassion"
mis - waiting to hear how things went today - look after you -nice grandma stories
jam -the plans sound good
notlike -think you arae right about mum's behaviour getting worse - one day at a time and remember you are NOT the problem - hope the massage went well I plan on one soon
stormy - a life alert would be great if dad wants it -especially if he is up doing more for himself
dede good to hear from you again
seeme -hard days I know - you did a stellar job with your mum (((((hugs)))))
carol - i was in the cave and then decided i would decorate it - you know make lemonade from lemons - if you can't go on a real trip you can always go on a fantasy one
sdpeg - yes carve out some me time - keeps us going -
(((((lyn))))) u r going through some tough things with a great attitude - that disease is such a thief - keep us updated -it must be so hard to see the decline in your hubby
cmag -thinking of you and your wife ((((hugs)))) and prayers for both of you
maya -has something happened to the new computer?
ros -AKA headbanger 2 - thought after all that wine your head might not want to be banged - only place is to go up or throw up sorry my mind is flying tonight and haven't had any wine
everyone -hope things are good
speaking of going on trips - G and I are going north for new Years - Fort Chip and Fort Smith - not sure how good an idea it is to be in one of those hotels where the walls feel like they are made of cardboard and a hook and eye keeps your door closed - almost -and they shoot their rifles off to bring in the New Year, but it will be a different experience. I have been to both places before and had a class in Fort Chip - a couple if people there I would love to connect with again. To cross the rivers you drive on ice bridges - which can get banged up around the edges by semi trucks driving up the banks too fast. Everyone drives in the middle of the road at high speed and there are lots of curves so I prefer going at night because you can see the headlights coming. You used to have to drive across the lake and the ice would start to oscillate because the big trucks went to fast. - you could see it heaving. and the road was like a rollercoaster ride with ups and downs that left your stomach behind. The kids loved it. Thankfully it is better now. Once you are north of Chip the quality of the snow changes. I hope to get some pics. Now as long as a buffalo doesn't take a nap on the road we will be fine - you just have to wait them out
so have a good night everyone
love, hugs and prayers♥♥♥
jo
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welcome cindy, we aren't sure who is coming home, but we know you can handle it and if not then come here and talk, ask questions, vent, what ever you need... we are here.... hugs and angels...
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I hope you can too, cindy - make sure you have some help so you have some time to yourself and also a back up plan if it is too much for you. Hope dad is gaining in strength
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well, he comes home this Friday ...I sure hope I can handle this. I know he is excited...
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oh San Diego....my part of town!
SDPeg
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Good Morning again Posse!

Good to read from you DeDe.....and glad mom is adjusting well. That makes it so much easier doesn't it? Come back and visit more often!

Been sitting on the computer making hotel reservations for the Spring Vegas trip....geez no one told me it was a Nascar weekend....no wonder every time I went back to a place that had cheaper rates they were gone. So we have a room at one of our favorite casinos but we like to stay downtown and I tried to find rooms but it was cheaper to just stay where we will be. So five nights will result in lots of comps coming our way next year.....woohoo! This will be the first time in several years that my son and dil won't be going with us....they are saving up for either a Disney cruise or a trip to the San Diego zoo.

Hope everyone is having a good day and I will check back later.....nothing going on here except a bunch of sleepyheads....lol

Happy Trails,
Jam
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Hi... just checking in... have not be on for a while. Mom was hospitalized and in rehab most of November, and she seems to be adjusting well at the memory impaired/dementia facililty the last three weeks. Just wanted to stop by and say to all... stay strong, give yourselves a break....
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stormy.....the girls have given you good advice. By virtue of being the oldest, sis thinks the biggest burden of caring for Dad falls on her shoulders. There is always someone who doesn't share in that same amount of care, but to listen to them (brother) they slave from morning to night. Makes them feel important but we all know differently. My sister and brother were the same way with my mother....sister thought she did her duty by seeing her once every couple of months, brother every couple of years.....but guess who wailed and beat their chests the loudest when mom passed?
Sis is not receptive to the idea of the life alert....because if something should happen to Dad and she isn't there, she would find it hard to live with the guilt that it happened on her watch. Well, things happen regardless, even when you're standing over them and there's nothing you can do except watch it happen. There are some other things you can look at to give you some help. You already have outside help coming in....can that be increased? Does Dad's monthly income cover his living expenses and the cost of help? Does Dad have other insurance? For instance, the col has Blue Cross and the policy covers 25 2-hour medical visits per year......not much but better than nothing when something is needed. Maybe sis would be receptive to starting out small....getting Dad situated and then leaving for an hour or two.....building up to maybe a morning or afternoon. And there is also placing him in assisted living....he would still have some freedom but is watched over and the rest of you would have your lives back. Take your breaks when you need to.....you are too young, with a young, growing family, to make yourself a slave to the care giving. And by the way, if brother doesn't want as much responsibility in Dad's care, it's time to remove him as POA. Just something to think about.
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Stormy, what if you sat down with dad, and really talked with him about the life alert..... let him know how it works, that you are not trying to abandon him, but think maybe he would like more privacy... just because he made no comment doesn't mean he doesn't have feeling or an opinion about it.... and yes, you are going to have to possibly get more help in there this next year.... you are too young to be feeling like this....and that is a horrible feeling to be dreading this next year... I pray you and sis find some extra help this next year.... it is just too much...
notlikemom, yeah, we need to be grateful, until something bursts our balloon.... I know you are so tired and have your hands full.... guess there are days we can only do this 5 minutes at a time or loose our minds....think of you during the day as I am answering Sonnys same question for the hundredth time.... but he is not like your mom, he is very sweet and I am blessed to be a part of his life....
And for whatever reason, Marie has made a major turnaround... guess she needed to see that I could be trusted, that I will do my work without being told, and that I will also question her when she is taking things out on me... she hasn't been ugly in a long while...but I have also fine tuned my balancing act.... she needs attention too... seems the more she gets the easier she is to get along with....she got a beautiful poinsettia for Christmas from a Friend, yesterday she said it may need some water... I had already watered it , and picked off the dead leaves... she always seems surprised that she doesn't have to tell me every thing to do... maybe some of it is the last lady she had in to help....doesn't really matter, she has not been difficult for months now...and I know how to handle her when she starts...
When I approached her about taking Sonny to the Senior Center this next year, her first reaction was NO... I asked her to think about it... we could try it, if he gets on overload, we won't do it... but explained to her that he is bored and getting depressed.... he is a very social person... and of course I would stay with him, I think she thought I was going to just drop him off..... uh no, he would be lost without someone familiar.... she could have some time to herself, I could get out of there for a little while, and it can be a win-win if Sonny likes it....
She is letting me help her more after I sat down and talked with her about some things.... that I know she is very capable of getting her own clothes out, tho it is a problem with her balance... she does it when I'm not there, it's just to give her a break.... she warmed to that idea.... so one more stressor aliveated....communication with compassion works wonders... and humor... Sonny has not been wanting to shower.. so yesterday I got everything ready and went in and said "time for a shiny hiney", didn't give him time to get upset, we just went and did it... told him, yeah, you were hoping I forgot didn't you... and he laughed... him and I have "secrets" , like when I find candy in his pockets, we don't tell Marie... when he wants to put a napkin in his pocket, I help him, where Marie can't see.... he just loves thinking he is getting one over on her....
Awhile back she was leaving to go to the Dr. we were standing outside, and he looked at me and said" that is one mean lady right there" but we both fell out laughing....we laugh a lot and it is so therapeutic for him and I both.... and even Marie will laugh with us now... times to be serious and then times to say to hell with it, life is too short....
So hope ya'll can find at least one thing to smile about today...
Am really looking forward to getting to meet a friend on this thread, her husband and her will be here in about a month.... it will be fun.... so some of us will get to meet as time goes on... reinforces that we are not alone.... hugs and angles to my friends...
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stormy- I would just ask you dad yourself if he wanted some time by himself once in a while and tell him that you were thinking about getting him a life alert.
notlike- pallative care..agree with seeme. It's hard for me to explain. My mind is going in a million directions. It's helps with the "end of life" and gives them diginty and respect.
lyn and Carol- ditto to what Ro said.

Yesterday, Rob and I met with the pallative corridator and decided to put grandma in hospice. We felt it was the best choice and are following Grandma's wishes. Grandma will be moved from the hospital to the hospice house as soon as a room becames available until then she'll stay in the hospital. When we got up there our nieces was there and that she knew them. Rob had grandma hold a spoon in her left hand and he told her to put up to her mouth and she did. She just fed herself once. Before the girls left I went down to the gift shop and got one of those gossip magazines so I could read to her. She knows that we are there and shakes her head when we ask her yes and no questions. When it was just Rob and I there, well Rob farted. I told grandma " jr, just farted and he about blew me out of my chair." She laughed even though no laughter came out, but we knew she did. We don't know if she knows what kind of condition she's in so we're going to ask her today when we see her.
Yesterday morning and last night we were going through some of her drawers. Oh my gosh, grandma must be part squirrel. Why? I can't tell you how many cookies and crackers we found wrapped up in tissue or paper towel. She was horriding them for the winters we have in Michigan.. We found a key chain that reads " the best diet is with cookies in both hands.' Yup, Grandma is our cookie monster.
I've been keeping her nieces update with what's going on with Grandma and called them last night plus her best friend is 86 yrs young. One of her nieces who lives in Loiusanna and her other one lives her in MI both thanked me for taking good care of her and had me in tears. Her best friend who also lives in Louisanna thanked me too. All 3 of them said that they didn't know where grandma would be if it wasn't for me. I've taken care of her all of these 4 and 1/2 yrs. They made me cry. Her best friend told me that she wished that she was lived closer to us. I told her that even though she lived so far away I felt like I've known her for yrs.
I feel asleep last night in grandma's lift chair. I guess was just so tired with everything going on. Rob left me there sleeping and I'll tell ya I didn't wake up until 5:30 am. I slept pretty darn good.
Well I need to get off of here and get some things down around here, it helps me to deal with everything if I keep busy....
Until we chat again The Laundry Room Bar & Grill is open and make yourselves at home...
Melissa
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I'm with SDPeg-today is a day to enjoy. I just saw a fb post with Snoopy that said, "What if we were grateful for everything today?" Who knows, might work.
Blessings to all.
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Carol and Lyn I am sorry for both of you, especially, as you are having a very bad period. And Seeme is not in a good mood. I have quite peaceful days, but I have days when I would like to bang my head against the wall (another headbanger!) and I don't do it just because I know that if I do it, all my family (mother and pets) goes to hell. But sometimes it is just the sense of responsibility which keeps me up. I think all of us go through days or periods like these. But, it seems a very banal thing to say, once you have reached the bottom the only thing you can do is go up again.... Let's hope it is soon!
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