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Hi Peggy, congratulations on the education, so many give up on their hopes and dreams when they take on this job. It's hard to see where there is time to juggle both.

I'm sorry to hear of your dad's passing and your mom's deteriorating health, it's sad to see them in failing health. Feed your Mom anything she wants.. I did mine, she was 80 years old when she passed, she died of cancer just a little over 3 months ago. She dropped weight so fast, it was hard to keep some on her. We did the ensure, meals that I knew she'd like, puddings, cookies, cakes, fruit cups, just anything to keep some weight on her.

I can identify with both types of brothers, I have one that is both, or at least tried to be..lol, "The Eldest" he tried telling me how to care for mom, and didn't believe she was as sick as she was.. all three of my brothers were the "hero's" in mom's eyes, never could do nothing wrong, knew all the right things, etc.. afraid that wasn't the truth, but she was blind to the fact, had a therapist a while back tell me that if I was waiting on my Mom's approval, forget it, it was never going to happen.

His denial almost cost him a visit prior to her death.. He lives out of state. Hoping you the best in your education and your life.
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Thank you for identifying our brothers ha ha. Yeah, can't tell if "hero" is better than "bully" although both are horrifying to interact with.
I am a full time senior at San Diego State University. I am currently a double major in Child and Family Development (my career for over 20 years) and American Indian Studies. I also hold 2 associates in Child Dev and Liberal Arts and Science. If I change my "major" status in CFD to a "minor" I could graduate Dec 2012 which would be 40 years after my high school graduation. I agree we returning students have a different passion for learning than the younger crowd; takes us a bit longer to memorize though. I returned to school 2 weeks before my Dad died, with counseling I learned I could continue my education and also be an active daughter in my Mom's life. I see her health and it is incredibly awesome that my sister is in my corner. I appreciate her. As far as those that live in denial ~ I am learning I cannot make them see, including my Mom who feels there is nothing wrong with her along with there was nothing wrong with my Dad. Denial does protect ones from feeling pain but denial is also something that is preventing my mom from participating in her own health improvement plan. She will NOT go to the local senior center and "participate in activities" as her doc recommended. Well I cannot force her to; all I can do is provide the ensure and meds (mostly vits) and see that she eats well. The others who are in denial, I am learning to let them be themselves and when the time comes for nursing home or her death, they will be shocked but I won't be. I knew my Dad was dying ... it is sad that he is gone ... I am glad I had some indication of it as I was not as shocked as others. I see my Mom's health deteriorating and she is visibly withering away ... I won't be shocked when the doc says "nursing home" ~ others, those living in denial, will be. My eyes are open!
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Good for you, Peg! I think Peggy has a brother too - a serious bully. Your brother is the "hero' brother? Oh my! – just a little aggravating. My sister is the golden haired girl who until recently could do no wrong. Many have sibs who are not helpful. Glad you have a helpful sister - mine is in denial and won't help regardless. Again sibs in denial are common - maybe because they aren't very involved so don't see the whole picture as you suggest. I know it is hard not to let it get to you and the family historical stuff doesn’t help. Life does go on. You are pursuing your education – that is awesome. Tell us about it if you like. I taught at a college for years and we all loved the ladies who came back to school –so well motived!
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Hi this is Peg with the Brother. I am so overjoyed with this group. I am ok with posting and obtaining information and gaining strength from other people's stories. I am beginning to see that Brother and Mom are in denial of Mom's withering health the same way they both were in denial that my Dad had cancer (and died of CHF). So maybe I am the only one (along with my sister) who really sees what is going on.
I will continue the medication and ensure regime and hopefully my Mom will gain weight thus not having to go to a nursing home (or a worse demise). As I see it, if she does not successfully gain weight then my brother will follow through with a visit and be part of her going to a nursing home perpetuating the history of him being her "hero" and truly caring for her.
I have my mom's physical and mental health in my daily routine by choice; others do or do not encourage her from afar. When there is little support, the responsibility of caring for my mom falls solely on my shoulders and I take that responsibility seriously. There is a history of battling their unhealthy relationship and I am learning coping skills in order to not let it get to me so much anymore while I enjoy life as my brother does in his town. Life does go on for all of us. I choose to care for my mom and also pursue further education.
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Uh, Peg and Peggy, if I get you two mixed up in a reply, just correct me, I know I am getting Alz by osmosis.... I make no excuses, but I am not violent, yet......
am getting ready to go rock hunting..... this mess in the BS will be here when i get back, no house cleaning fairys live around here that I know of..... hugs to all
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Well, it seems we have a Peg and a Peggy.
Peg - I think you are the new one - welcome
ladee we are going to confuse ourselves here - peggy is the one with the bully brother and yes feel free to b*tch about the brother here - I tried to find u on f b but too many peggy hubbards - you can find my facebook link on my profile page under "web page"
and that goes for everyone
peg - that's pegdbeelady with the mum with osteoporosis but no bully brother that we know of welcome - this is a safe place to vent and learn and laugh
some one asked where the oldsters are - well I am here lol - 74 and no dementia that I know of - maybe I am in denial LOL
mis - agreed no matter how u speak to grandma - she is becoming dangerous and that is a matter of dementia - straighten ur hubby out on that! have him read about ladee's experience - my mother does not have Alz, but she has a personality disorder, and once when I was young and very strong and she was recovering from surgery she got mad enough to wrestle me to the floor - a few times after that I put furniture against my bedroom door - I think she could do it now even at 99 if she got mad enough - there is an unnatural strength that comes with some mental conditions and Alz is one of them - get some info online about Alz, anger and physical assaults
stormy (((((hugs)))))) -such a confusing and stressful time and no one wants to explain what is happening with these lymph nodes. -think maybe a referral to the oncologist would be good
starri - some more nice pics - think the birds were catching something to eat -bugs or minnows or something - neat rock formations!!! so glad u r finally enjoying it
jam - this dentist stuff will be difficult for col -I suppose they will put her out and that in itself can cause problems - not looking like a fun time -did you sort out the eviction? I will be asking my renters to move out -too many hassles - think I can manage without them.
shawna -how's thing's - hope mum is doing well
vic - hope ur days are easier
YR - thinking of you and hospice for dad
john -sounds like u r getting there re insurance and repairs
seeme - (((((hugs))))) hope u had some fun and will tell us about it -after this tooth thing I am feeling the need for some too
everyone else - hope u have a decent weekend. and some breathing space for u... and maybe a little fun
love, hugs and prayers♥♥♥
jo
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welcome Beta, hope you come back to visit us....this is my major stress releiver of the day, coming here, catching up with friends, seeing how everyone is, or isn't.....
Before I get off on a litany of "have you tried", please let me know what meds she is on.... many people with Alz. have an enormous amount of anxiety... just wondering... and again, you will find a place to put your weary soul here.... hugs to you....
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Peg, this is the place to talk about Bully Brother, we all have sib stories to tell and we do.... but if you feel more comfortable on FB, we'll try to find you....
I live in small German communty here in Texas... plenty of elders to go around, and they are out and about... I can tell the ones that have no one to help them when I see them in the grocery store, but they putt along and get things done....some of them, if you ask them if they need any help will look at you like you are crazy... others will say yes and then tell you their life story.... they are the lonesome ones....I have heard some really great stuff from these elders... they have the advantage of being from farming families, cattle ranchers, so they are made from some tuff stuff..... Many still very independant and going strong..I have learned a lot from the elders in this community.... one of the reasons I love living in this town... I am surronded by wisdom, it's there for the asking....
Stormy, it was me that said I hoped he wasn't in pain....and you girls are doing an awesome job, considering the idiot Dr's and no solid information.... it is very hard on you and sis to continue to do the things that need to be done, just to keep him breathing clearly, so don't think we don't appreciate how hard you and sis work to keep him comfortable.....I pray your sis is open to the idea and if not maybe a call to a Dr. explaining the circumstances, will get you in.... I just pray for some peace and answers for all involved.... not knowing is about as stressful as it can get.....prayers for you and your family......hugs across the miles....
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Ladee- thank you for all the kind words of love, support and encouragement. I think i will say something to my sis tomorrow about trying to get a referral for the oncologist in our area. And it has been very stressful and frustrating for sis and me and i'm sure for dad too. I'm sure he has been thinking well when am i going to get any better or is this as good as it gets. I know he is sick of all of this, sick of the trach, sick of the mucus that he constantly has, coughing all the time, and when he is eating, sick of having his neck sore from where that plate sits and digs into his neck. He told my brother one time before that this is no way to live. And it's not!!!! I don't know if it was you ladee or someone else said something about hoping he is not in any pain. I don't think he is but you know he is probably hiding some of that from his girls(me and sis) he doesn't seem to be in any pain. And if i am doing anything to his neck or legs i always ask if he is hurting in that area and most of the time he says he is alright. Well i guess i better get off of here. I love ya'll Love and (((((((((hugs))))))))))))))))))))))))))))stormyyyyyyy
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Sorry looked for u on FB but can't find you. I will keep looking tho. Peg
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I live in Arizona, and I think there are lots of them here. Some really old in physical form, some mentally. LOTS of them around here, Sun City, Vistoso, the Nursing Homes and Asisted Lvng homes, every where. oh yeah I got an old folk here too. love my new man in my life. He had a great day- feeling good, no bathroom accidents, ate three meals, and 2 cookies, and now my hubby is in there eating ice cream with him. His hearing aids were returned from Sandia Labs in Albq. not sure the problem is in the hearing aids. I think his deafness is more profound. I told Rex i'd like to take him to see and audiologist/ he says, he like the Dr to look in them on Tuesday. It's just a lab appt. but i will call monday to see if the DR will be there, for Rex.
We got a new email from Bully Brother. I'd like to share, but I'm not sure this is the right place. look for me on FB i like to use it for Private messages. peggy hubbard, Oro Valley / Tucson AZ.
thanks for the love.
I hope the post i read earlier about the care giver being threatened is understood by the husband. if he isn't getting it, you need to find a friend to stay with (or come to Tucson) and let him be there 24/7. maybe you both need a break. hugs to you, your doing a great job, and we all know it :)

peggy
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My mom goes out with me, I go out with her. We do have to remember to take her walker now though (per her doc's orders). I try to do as many things with her as I can (church, dinner out, hair appt, shopping, doc appts, meet family for meals or just a few minutes of fun). But really doc suggested mom make friends ... I agree, where ARE the old folks???
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going on two years with alz and dementia- first year was great - she enjoyed the puppy we bought and the great grand baby - but know shes afraid to open her eyes and is scared all the time- so l let her watch americas funniest videos in her room - if in the living room she just pretends shes asleep - in her room i can hear her laughing- she starts to come out but closes door and goes back to bed- today i saw the door open at 10 am so i walked over there to encourage her to come out- she saw me and her eyes got really big- and she began to fall backwards- and i couldnt catch her cuz her feet were blocking the door- but she was ok- i have a motion detector in her room so when she starts to get up it beeps so i look at the camera to see if getting up or just adjusting blankets- she was doing the latter- but i guess i fell asleep and forgot to turn the motion beeper on cuz she got up and i didnt hear her- my room is across from hers my daughters next to hers- she burst through the door and said how could you not hear that- we went in and she was laying on the floor face down- darn it - i try so hard- but after 2 years of interrupted sleep i just fall asleep - she was ok just had a light scrape on forhead and complained of sore neck later that day- she usually walks to bathroom during the day but she looks so unsteady it drives me crazy-so i always assist her- everyone says i should let her go on her own but now she is falling so i cant- took her off aricept cuz she hit a doughnut hole per medicare and now its $100 . well it gave her a serious runny nose and she used to sleep-like seemed knocked out and had diarhea but now constipated and is awake- so she sleeps better and can eat fruit and apple juice- she cant talk which breaks my heart but i feel more sorry for the caretakers whose parents talk all the time and repeat all day - that must be hard- how am i doing - ok- still have couple of friends who come see me or dont mind or get embarrassed going out in public with us- where are all the old people anyways..i mean the ones who can walk and talk and shop on their own, or where are the ones who should be in wheel chairs being pushed around by their loved ones- i really feel like people are staring and they are - i want to say and wheres your mother- or grandmother- WHERE ARE ALL THE OLD FOLKS????
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I have only recently joined this group and I must say I feel so comfortable sharing my thoughts and concerns for both my own self and my mom's as well. What a joy it is to meet all of you. I know I see things from only my perspective and reading others' perspectives about similar situations is very helpful for my own sanity. Thank you all for sharing from your hearts. Peg
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Stormy, I had to laugh when you were talking about your dad pulling your hair, because when Ruth knocked me down AND was kicking me while I was down, oh mercy , the things coming out of my mouth that I was going to do to her when I got up... Of course my leg was broke, and it took me awhile to get up and call the daughter..... "get your ass over here NOW!!!"... but when people asked me what happened I said I got my ass kicked by a 83 yr. old woman.... but it was a good while before I could see the humor in it... of course the hydrocodone helped..... lord have mercy on caregivers.... we are so tired......love you all and hugs across the miles... don't know what i would do without all of you...
Seeme are you done reading yet....love ya..
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Ro, Marie is in the hospital, has been since Tues.... it started with her having fever and chills. She has a blood disease, like pre-lukemia, and has to have blood transfusions at least every two weeks.... after her last transfusion she had a bad time, started running a high fever, chills, and then her heart started racing. she went to the ER, they got her heartbeat back to normal...
But I was watching her sleep before they could get her room ready and noticed how labored her breathing was.... I counted that she took 30 breaths in a minute, normal is about 10 to 12.....first thing I thought was congestive heart failure... told her daughter about it when she came to pick her up.. Of course I kept my "diagnosis" to myself..... so they are now checking her for heart problems..... that could explain a lot about her always being tired and feeling weak... not enough oxygen...so don't know how long she will be in there, and sonny is lost without her...... but will keep ya'll posted as to what is going on....
Take care lady and try not to work too hard, waking up with your keypad tattooed on your face..... hugs to you...
Jam, sorry to hear that the col will need that much dental work.... I feel bad for her especially if she has problems communicating when she isn't feeling well... It took me half a day to find out Sonny's back was hurting, and that was mostly from observation..... it makes it hard on them and us when they can't tell us how they are feeling.....let us know how things are....
Stormy, I was hoping you weren't offended by my statement... it's just that I worry about your dad and I would just ask one of the docs for a referral for the onconologist.... it won't hurt to try.... I just know he is a very sick man, and things just keep going on and on.... and I know what you mean about Dr's and faith in them.... I have always told my friends, if I get seriously ill, take me to the vet and have me put to sleep.... I won't screw around with the stuff you are going thru... so very stressful, and you and sis doing everything you can to help him and keep him comfortable and STILL aren't sure what is wrong... my heart goes out to all of you.... and to watch the man you love being that way, and not sure what to do next must be very depressing.... I pray for you, sis and Dad, that somewhere a Dr. with some comapssion will be honest with ya'll and lead you in a good direction.... I am very sorry you are going thru this Stormy and can not imagine the stress you are under.... take care of yourself, and I appreciate that you knew what I was saying was said with LOVE.... hugs across the miles to you and your family....
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Mis- u are a better woman than i am. Because i think I would have been saying "good bye Grandma" and "Have a nice trip" to the NH! I know that is probably not the nicest way to go about it and i know it is the disease; not the person. But one can only take so much. Plus they have places that are trained to deal with patients with this disease and their outbursts. I'd let them do their job and deal with granny.
I know this is not the same situation but here goes. One nite at dads me and sis were there doing stuff to dad and he had just got back from the bathroom and i said something to them about us weighting dad to see if he had lost or gained any weight. Well dad had one of the scales( with the tiny lines on it) not the digital one. So i sat down on the floor beside the scales so i could read what it said when he got on there. I was looking to see how much he weighted and then all of a sudden i feel myself being pulled up by my hair! And it was dad. Trying to get me to move so he could read the scales. Needless to say I WAS PISSED AND SIS KNEW IT AND DAD DID TOO AFTER I LEFT THE HOUSE! I handed her his insulin needle and told her she could give it to him. I got outside and was screaming at the top of my lungs and crying and saying that i hated him. I swear that was one of the closest times i come to being done with him. But sis talked to dad and told him that he pissed me off bad and anyway the next day he apoligized to me. But it still took me a while to get over that. He could've said move sandy or move over anything but lifting me up by my hair. If it had been anybody else besides dad i would have punched them dead in the FACE!!!!!!!!!! I he almost got it that night! Lord i was so mad that night!!!!!! I don't like getting that mad at anybody. Plus, bad tempers run in my family and i got it honest. I am the sweetest person but once you really piss me off; it's on! So don't take no junk from nobody mis. I will be thinking about you and hoping you find a solution to the abuse. Maybe another relative could take her in. Love and Hugs stormyyyyyy
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Starry I see your pets are adjusting to the road life... I am happy you are going to see friends and family. Seems a very cool thing.
Ladee you seem very tired. I haven't understood where Marie is. I hope you have some rest this weekend.
Mismiley, Ladee and Jam are right. You have to be careful, if they become violent they can really be dangerous! And without reason; whatever you do or don't do.
Jam, I am sorry for COL who will have to lose all these teeth. I hope the doctor can do everything at once, so you are going to be stressed just once!
^night everybody I have to do some work...
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Hey Seemee- how are you doing? It's good to hear from you. And yes we do need another dr for dad, but we just don't know what kind or where to look for one that will give us some straight answers. Love you!!!
Starri and Ladee- I know we need to find a new doctor that will help us or tell us something. If we could just get the ones that are already seeing dad to be straight with us and pretty much tell us what we already know, but they won't say anything about whether the cancer has spread. It's always something else, cellulitis, maybe a lung infection, fluid on the lungs. And it's not that we don't want to carry dad to another dr. it's just that we shouldn't have to be having to go through all of these hoops to find out if the cancer has spread. If it has spread then we can go to the oncologist here in our town. But we would have to get a referral from one of dads other drs. But it is just getting one of them to be straight with us and stop sugar coating everything. I don't know if they don't want to tell sis and me or if they don't want to tell dad or if it's that they do not want to be the bearer of bad news. Who knows anymore. Dad has like 7 or 8 drs and you would think that out of one of them they could level with us. Ladee i know you only have our and dads best interest at heart. I know you are just concerned about all of us. I understand what you are saying I guess it's just that we keep getting the same answers from different drs and we are like well if we go to another dr it's going to be nothing but more of the same thing. Going through something like this with a loved one and having to deal with all of these drs. and knowing that they do not give a sh$#. It just makes you kinda lose what faith you had in all doctors and what they can do for you. I love each and everyone of you for your comments and advice. It is truly appreciated. (((((((((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Stormyyyyyyy
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Funny how the heart does that. We whine and complain and laugh through the tough times, but when these people we care for are gone, our hearts are broken. One more conversation, one more dirty laundry load, one more ... just one more ... my Dad has been gone a year this week, my mom is needy (not diagnosed with dementia ... ask me what I think?) and I remind myself that I may not have one more minute with my Dad but I have more time with my Mom. There are tough days and I am getting into counseling again but I don't think I would want it any other way. I will always wonder (perhaps this is normal) if I did enough for my Dad and if I am doing enough for my Mom. I, too have that mixed bag of feelings you mentioned. I am glad you wrote ... helped me to read what you posted. Thank you, Peg
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all I can add to this is you don't have to take abuse from anyone, has hubby had to deal with her when telling her no? or are you the one who gets to do it?
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the phone is on now Seeme, I'm sorry,,,,,,,,
Mis, do NOT take this on... even if you had screamed at her, you would not let anyone else threaten you.....Ruth threatened to cut my throat, anything sharp was put up..... but anytime I told her NO, it was on... whether that be going outside when it was raining, and she was always trying to get out the doors.... we put key locks on all the doors, and she would get violent when she didn't get her way....I will never know if meds would have helped... and don't be upset if the first meds don't work..... there are NO meds out there for Alz, they simply treat sypmtoms and some can take them and some can not... some meds will send them around the bend, others can take the same thing and be overmedicated.... I hate this disease with a passion, it is our new AIDS, no treatment, until milllions die from it and caregivers are costing millions to be taken care of after the fact..... Read up on as much as you can.... it is different for everyone that has it...Sonny on the other hand, is so sweet and pleasing to be around, that is not to say he doesn't get grumpy sometimes, but so far he can be redirected.....doesn't mean it will stay that way......
But please, please do not let your hubby say her outburst was because of you... and yes, tone of voice helps sometimes, but when they are angry because they are told NO, that is a different situation.... I will pray your hubby listens to you about this before something happens that will not have a happy ending.... let us know what happens...hugs across the miles to you, and I have your back on this one !!!!
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mis...so sorry to hear that happened to you and ladee is correct. You are under no obligation to take care of anyone who may harm you. And remind your husband that it doesn't matter how you may talk to Grandma, with this disease if she gets it in her mind that she is going to harm you, there is nothing you can do to stop it. Back in June when we had to take the col to the behavioral unit she was going for my face and I had to put my forearm across her upper chest and hold her off. I don't care what member of the family they are, you DO NOT have to suffer abuse at their hand. Some people say "well just how strong can a little old lady be?" Plenty strong, especially when their motivation is pure adrenaline. And something to remember also concerning a lot of these meds that the elderly are on, they have never really been proven to work. The col's doctor told me the other day, that the so-called "memory drugs" will cause the patient to gain weight. Do as much research as you can on these meds....it will only help you to understand especially when you learn side-effects and contraindications. I hope you have a peaceful night and Grandma stays in bed.....in a little while she will probably be as sweet as sugar and not remember a thing.

Love and Hugz,
Jam
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Just want you to know that I am going back to when I left and reading up on all the posts. There are new people I don't know and batteries, Marie, and Emjo hurts, Stormy needs a new doc and other things I need to get caught up on. Be back in a while..............and Ladee turned her phone off.........
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Thanks ladee. This is something I'm not taking lightly and I'm pretty upset about it. I'm just so fed up with it. Then she doesn't remember none of it. I know it's the disease but still. I'm not educated enough on this nasty disease. My husband just called me and I told him about what happen. He asked me well how did you talk to grandma? I was in my normal voice and told her no Daisy can't have cereal. I also told him that when he takes her to the doctor her meds to need to looked at/changed something. I will not put up with this any longer. I also told him this isn't the first time and that this is abuse on me.
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mis, please tell your husband you can not and will not put up with the abuse... I begged Ruth's family to take her to the Dr. and the her meds adjusted, to make a long story short, I ended up with a broken leg at Ruth's hands!!!!! She round housed me in the head so hard I was stunned and didn't back up fast enough and she pushed me down.... She ended up in the NH anyway and the family had to pay my bills..... either your husband takes her to the Dr, or finds another solution... she will eventually do something..... and that kind of stress is totally uncalled for under the best of circumstances.... Had I had any say so about that situation, she would have been placed in a behavioral unit, and then we would have gone from there..... possibly coming home if meds were right, or to a NH.....i will have problems with this leg for the rest of my life... and for what????? Let us know how things turn out.... you are under no obligation to take care of someone who can harm you...... hugs to you...
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Omg, I got threatened a little while ago and it's not the first time. Grandma threaten to hit me and knock me of my well ya know. She asked me if Daisy could have some cereal and I told her no she won't eat cereal or drink milk. Daisy only eats her cat food and drinks her water, nothing else. Grandma then lifts her walker up and slams it on the floor and threaten to hit me. This isn't the first time. I don't need this crap. Not after going through triple by pass surgery and heartattack. It's not good for my health and well I will be talking to my husband about this tomorrow unless I decide to stay up and wait for him to come home from work. I know it's the disease and I don't get paid to put up with this abuse and that's what it is. I told Grandma to go to bed or go sit down. So she went to bed.
Then some of friend's wonder why I haven't stop smoking after the heartattack. Well they wouldn't make it for one day in my shoes and that's why I haven't stop smoking is all of this stress taking care of grandma.
So has anyone ever had this happen to them? How do you deal with it?
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Hi Everyone...........back from the dentist. This initial trip was pretty benign for all of us. The only who came out a winner was Target. I did do the paraffin treatment on my hands while the dental techs and dentist did their work.....and you can pick out a movie to watch....I watched a video of Journey and listened to Steve Perry belt out those great songs. Poor col.........I feel so sorry for her....she will have to have 8 teeth pulled. Consultation the 11th of Oct, then extraction on the 18th. Going to load up her cabinets with lots of soup and mashed potatoes. We have to keep explaining to her that this MUST be done or she will start to have huge problems.

Anne......welcome again! Starri gave you very good advice. Social Services is where you should probably start. I'm sure your husband is on medication....ask the doctor for samples if possible. Are there Wal-Mart's in Florida? Get meds as generic and from the $4 plan. Contact the drug manufacturer..........they have programs to assist when you can't afford medicine. Have you applied for Food Stamps? That should help with the groceries. And don't forget Anne! She's very important! Yes, you are doing a wonderful thing in caring for your husband. No, we will not reap any rewards for what we do on this earth, but we continue to do it because of the special person we are. Come back and visit with us.....even though you are not able to get out a lot, come here and we will keep you entertained. We can get a little silly at times..........well ladee can get big silly after she's had a good night's sleep.....love ya sweetie....:) Vic always has a positive attitude and will share her smiles, emjo will give you antler soup recipes, starri lets us see the world through her travels, seeme installs satellite tv (that's what ladee claims), stormy let's us all be grandma's to her son, ASG chases wet, chewed on geese, rossella takes us to the beach, Cmag maintains for us there is still chivalry and romance in this world, Shawna is an artist with beautiful creations, mis gets up too early and works too hard, burned takes wonderful care of her husband and family..........if I have left anyone out, please just call me old and holler at me. You all are very special and I am proud to call you friends!

Love and Hugz to all,
Jam
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Stormy are there any other doctors available to you close? I am with Ladee, I would be for changing doctors, the ones you have now seem to have their heads up their a**
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Stromy, not to undermine you or your sister, but may I ask, if you don't get some results this time, why you don't change doctors....????? If it were my dad and I didn't even like the man, I would have already taken him to a different Dr... and please forgive me if I am stepping on toes here, but I just would not continue to play with my Dad's heath like this, apparently something is very serious wrong I just pray he is not in any pain....please know this is said with love and not judgment or criticism, just wondering,,, hugs to your dad today...
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