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thanks sosad - your name fits me very well right now - the courts turned it around and blamed my son - the victim - though he didn't lift a finger against this guy even when he was being head butted and punched. - the guy was a known drug dealer and known by the police to pick fights and there were witnesses - and Gordie was not a fighter and his freinds would have testified to that but the prosecutor was pretty useless - the justice system is anything just - the first year the papers were very sympathetic to us - the next year when the court decision of self defense came out they turned against gordie in the papers - that was hard to take. - the judge told the guy that he was an inch from getting 5 years so they knew full well what he had done -but decided to let him off - he went to Gordie'sad in tears and asked for a hug and said he never meant for that to happen - give Gordie's dad credit - he hugged him and spoke to him that he had caused a lot of pain and he hoped he hasd learned his lesson -how do yo reconcile that - well I forgave the guiy quickly - you have to make a choice early on and my God says forgive so I did - not my strength - I have a harder time with the system being antagonist so someone has to be blamed - I don't mind that they let the guy off as I don't thnk jail would have helped him, but to blame Gordie was not right and what the papers did hurt me and a few people at work who believed the paper and not me -that hurt too - thanks for asking
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The guys got off with a warning????!!!!! How do you reconcile that in your mind and heart. I'm so very sorry..
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my daughter uses that too - can't because i am allergic to dairy

by this crap you mean the CFS/ fibro - i had it diagnosed about 1993 and realized I had had it before but that year was the worst -i was off work for 2 years - and at time the pain was pretty bad - thankfully not that bad now but still hits me with fatigue and some pain

seeme and starri - i may join you in the spa - justifiable homicide - haven't decided who to start with yet - heck the guy who killed my son got off with a warning...
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Emjo.. The vitamin powder I take is his..it is called fatigued to fantastic. Has been really helpful best in a long time. I have had this crap for over 20 years! Tieltelbaum has been the one I have read most. Will check it out..tks! Prayers for you!!!
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thx vic - dr. jacob teitlman's web site about CFS/fibro recommends the higher doses and lots of other things - he sounds credible to me as he has had it and recovered ((((hugs))))
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Emjo..have that supplement in the powder I take but not in such a high concentration. Will add that to the mix!
Take care you! Try not to let mom upset you so. Wait to respond...you are supposed to be on vaca! Try to stay out of touch and take care of you!
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vic thats L acetyl carnitine -sometimes it comes with lipoic acid and that is good

yer i know about rest and that is huge in helping
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Aaaargh - didn't need this today - but mother has convinced someone alse to get on my back about not doing what she wants (getting her financial advisor to contact me didn't work) - this other man is a very nice man who has tried to be supportive to her - one of her "techniques" is to use people to manipulate - the FOG (fear guilt obligation ) that cmagnum talks about - to get her way. He tells me it is time for me to give up my resentments. to forgive and forget - after all she is 99 and entitled to her idiosyncrases -

well let me tell you - the way she is has nothing to do with her age -she has been like this all my life and it has nothing to do with resentment - but about self preservation - she knows that I am grieving Gordie right now - in the middle of the worse time of the year and most vulnerable to hurt - and that is when she will come in with all the ammunition she can gather - just to get her own way - and if she did get her own way, the satisfaction from that would not last 24 hrs and she would be on another high horse looking for more - Borderline Personality Disorder is a serious mental illness and that is the root of the problem -

boy - sometimes it lands on you doesn't it - so be it - don't know if i am even going to respond - not for now anyway - think I need a good cry right about now -need to let off some steam somehow - catch a bus or 3 and go home - throw something though the window - good thing sig other is away for a few hours or he would prob get it - i am at the end of my tether and the next one who yanks it gets it...

this has happened in the past and i have written ny side of the story and gotten apologies from the person she has used but i don't have the energy right now to do that - if that man chooses to think less of me so be it - it is the same kind of cr*p my sister sends at me yet will not lift a finger to help mother herself
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Emjo..will have to try the acetylcholine carnitine. Taking a good co q 10. Also taking a vitamin supplement made for fibro that seems to keeping the worst at bay. The biggest problem is not getting the proper sleep/rest. But that won't go away anytime soon as dad calls throughout the night to pee. Some nights worse than others. Oh well, right! doc tells me I can't keep up but with hubby's help when he is here it is manageable.
Wish I could post all my feelings for you'll. I know we are all in the same boat more or less..so the best I can do is keep you all in my prayers. Know that my days and nights arent as hard or just different than some of yours but we all are doing the best we can. Thanks to Jam for starting and all of us finding this place to vent! If nothing else, know that we all care and whatever tidbits we offer are cause we all care.
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ladee -that's praying that the BS gets moved...
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still tryng to get caught up here

stormy ((((hugs)))) just have to go through this one step at a time though I know that speculating is inevitable - keep taking care of you and your hubby and LR and get as much help as you need and can afford from outsiders

ASG - so good to hear from you - I grew up with a batty lady and know what it was like - letting go of your batty lady's concerns are good - your kids need a sane mum - it was my mum that was batty - if your kids have your support they will do good - the batty lady will be batty regardless - you didn't cause it and you can't fix it (my new mantra) - but you do have to protect yourself and your kids

vic - thank for prayers - need them - have you tried l acetyl carnitine for the fibro - I was taking 500 mgm then went up to 2000 a day and it got me back on my feet and able to do that hike and enjoy it - also take a strong Co Q 10.

YR - ((((hugs)))) and prayers for strength

jam - u do so well - even looking after the pooch!

ladee - complimenting Marie was brilliant - hopes it keeps working and you stay cool - paying that BS (was that intentional????) gets moved

john - I'm with starri - if the bull act is done with evidence u may get some results - something needs to happen there - i understand u being very angry

starri - glad jerr's problem was not so bad and totally understand your exasperation with your bro - gratitude seems to have flown out the window here too -you will be getting an email from me - they don't allow links here it seems

I have probably forgotten someone - not intentional - thinking of all of you and wishing you some of the cool weather I am having here - between about 60 and 70

hopng to get some more good pics to post on face book for anyone - I am joan benoit - the lady with white hair and glasses, in alberta - top hit last time I looked and with antlers in the soup pot in some photos

love and hugs to all ♥♥♥ Joan
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I just had a whole book written and it went POOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again.

Welcome to dar................yes, we all have the same feelings you are going through right now. This job we are doing is the pits...........plain and simple. It's hard on us mentally and physically and if anyone tells you it's a breeze and it's a privilege....they're not being truthful to themselves or anyone else. Or their charge doesn't have any mental or physical deficits. There is no running through fields of daisies around here........I'm not sure how to interpret your statement "my family would be better if I were gone".......no they wouldn't. They all need you, but right now you are feeling very overwhelmed by the burden of being the care giver. We all are right there beside you. It sounds like you are in the middle of the old "should I place mom or not" argument. On the one hand you know it's the right and most loving thing to do, on the other you feel guilt because you should be able to do this and after all she is your mother.......I started this thread because YOU come first, without YOU there is no care giving, and the care giving doesn't always have to be in your home. Sometimes placing your charge becomes necessary for the well-being of everyone concerned. When you start to feel a possible physical threat to yourself or other family members, it's time to start thinking of other alternatives.

Are we a Sweet 16 or turning 17? How exciting! I wish I could remember when I was that age....been a year or two...lol. Tell your daughter Happy Birthday from the crazy YOU bunch, that is going to cheer up Mom.

Time to get Target's butt in gear for Wal-Mart. Will be back later with the laser story.

Love and Hugz to all,
Jam
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sosad and darro - as jam says - #1 is you have to look after yourself - otherwise this caregiving thing gets over your head and you end up not living but existing and sometimes barely that

my mum has BPD (borderline personanlity disorder with a healthy whack of narcissism added to it and has been a major problem all my life - many years agio I determined she would never move in with me - she came to visit me a few times and wouldn't leave till I forced this issue -she is 99 and going strong (just coming thro a second hip op) though her memory is failing somewhat but still manipulating away like crazy.

have I been suicidal - yes when I was younger and she was particularly abusive - though i was never interested in doing it but sure had the thoughts

my youngest son was assaulted and died 9 tears ago - it changes you - I figure life has handed me enough bad ones and I don't need to accept any more

my mother is in assisted living and still pretty capable of looking after herself
with a bit of help but none of it is enough nor does anyone do it right so the complaints are continuous - my answer is "tough" I moved her twice within a year as she didn' get along in one place and told her if she couldn't get along where she is the next move was a nursing home -I will not spend my hard earned retirement money on supportiing her in her expensive lifestyle -my health has suffered the past two years from all of this - and I have drawn back and cut contact for now with the support of my counselor (BTW he is christian and a pastior as well as a qualified counselor). I may give up POA as mother uses it to manipulate and hurt - I am in contact with those who are helping her -

I do want to emphasize that while your parent(s) may need help you do NOT have to be the one who does it - others on aging care can tell you about options suitable to your financial situations - in mother's case (in Canada) if she uses up all her money on the place she is now - there are government subsidized places she would be eligible for - nursing homes. Would i have to keep a sharper eye on her - yes - and I can do that at a distance.

your teens need their mother - teen age is not an easy time for many - and most importantly YOU need YOURSELF! so get yourself higher on your priority lest

you can't make someone else happy or healthy but you can stop yourself from getting dragged down in the black hole

do something good for yourself today and keep doing those things that build you up = love others LIKE you love yourself

hugs and prayers - ♥♥♥ Joan
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Starri .... Mom does all the little things daily. I don't try to stop her, she has her routine. Can't take that away...it is the stuff like floors and trash that if it isn't empty in her time...
As for dad it is all neurological..
Emjo...take care you are in my prayers!
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Darro, You are not by yourself with these feelings. I think all of us have had them at one time or another. I too was thinking thoughts about hurting myself and my dad and it is a awful feeling to feel so out of control with your anger and depression. I finally had to go to the dr. and I was crying to the nurse and then to the dr. I felt like I was having a nervous breakdown and she told me I needed to be on some anti depressants. I've been taking them for almost a month now. I think and hope they are working things do seem a bit better. Plus I made a new schedule of hours to stay with my dad. I was just staying too long and too much. We brought in a new lady that is helping me and my sister and that in itself has helped so much. So you might want to think about going to the dr. and getting on something. I think about everyone here is taking something. Things just get so desperate. You need to talk to someone too probably. Hell it helped me just talking and crying to the nurse and dr. You take care and come back to talk to us. Stormy
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Hi all - here in the mountains but not a happy camper - more on that l8r - hi to the new ones - unhelpful unsympathetic sibs seem to be the norm - and denial too - mine saves every crazy email my mum sends her - to prove what I don't know - evidence for something I gather - other than that she is a user - mother is trucking along - same old - same old - going through her repertoire of demands/needs/ trying to get attention - the latest is she wants money from me again - she lives in in one of the most expensive seniors complexes, HAS to buy her clothing at the most expensive stores, and now says the gov't won't pay for any more of her drugs (prob not true) so she needs financial help from me while her financial advisor has told me she is doing fine. The problem may be that she won't use generic drugs - insists on the "best" ones -all part of the BPD needing to feel "special". sig other is trying to figure out why she is like this - the answer is she has borderline personality disorder - she is mentally ill and anything I say or do in not going to change that - I didn't cause it and I can't fix it! but I do need to protect myself

Gordie's (for the new ones - my youngest son) d day is Saturday and 9 years ago today we were in the hospital and he was liying there - age 23 havng been assaulted, had head trauma and basically unresponsive - we were told he had a 5% chance of recovery. It all happened so suddenly - ladee - know all about PTSD and I am sorry yours is kicking in - be sure I understand totally - I am afraid this post is all about me today - I am about ready to kick sig other G out -after leaving for what is my holiday to help me through this time - the first day was spent at G's friends farm while G fixed the brakes on the old truck he uses with the horses - he was touchy that morning cause he had to deal with his ex - OK I am supportive - then all day on the brakes - OK I am supportive - sit in the truck and press the brake pedal a million times as required - drive around the friggin countryside looking for a cheap part, finally found a new part for $7:50 and probably wasted that much gas driving around, the next morning had to water the horses at one place - found out they had enough water so all that was wasted effort, had to water some others - they did need it, drove the car till the red gas light came on despite me saying we need gas - and this is my car by the way - better for travelling in than his, and then it started - all you do do eat and sleep - you could do that at home, "right" , then another one and I said -Look you may not be my ideal travelling companion either but I think i can put up with you - you knew my limitations before we left - I have never pretended otherwise - and who in God's green acres can keep up with you anyway except your kids! If we want to go together we have to compromise. (This man (aged 60) and his bros all work 14 hr days get up at 6 and do it again and pull all nighters once in a while) then - we stopped for gas and the prices had gone up 1 cent just before we stopped - that was my fault because i wanted to stop at a store before we got to the gas station- OK now I am knowing he has a problem and it is leaking out in my direction - anyway the rest of the trip was fine - we stopped at the hoo doos and took some great pictures and hiked the trail - nearly 2 hours - over a not very well groomed trail - I slid a few times (on some meds that affect my balance) and pulled my thigh muscle - he calls that a nice little walk - I think I am 73 yo, have CFS/fibro and I think I did d*mn well. Got into town and picked up a nail in a tire- to give him credit he got a tire kit and fixed it - then off to the hotel and soak in the hot tub. that was good then this morning -how is your leg - I said not good enough to hike on again and anyway I need to rest -(the fibro) so you go do your (prearranged) day of hiking and hunting for 10 hrs till your toe nails turn black (happened last year) - take the car - I will be fine here - and then Him - "You and I holiday differently. - Me Yeah -what's new and WHAT'S your problem You knew that before we left and I have been hearing about it now the past day or so.Him - Oh I realised that the 2 hr walk was about your limit. Me yeah -so what? this is not new. so what's your problem. Him - I don't know - Me - we are not the same (duh) there are lots of ladies 20 yrs younger than me would wouldn't/couldn't do it either - if we want to be together we need to compromise - then please figure out what your problem is while you are on your hike? and please consider resting a bit tomorrow as your bum knee (he wears a brace sometimes and sometimes needs heavy painkillers) will be bad after hiking and you need that leg to drive 8 hrs the next day.. I have told him before that if he needed someone to keep up with him he better go find someone else - I want an end to this one way or another!

I don't need this especially right now and for 2 cents I would catch a bus or three home - the hotel room is paid for - on my credit card - he looks after food and gas /regular car maintenance - he can come back to an empty hotel room and see if he likes his own company better. I am so pissed off!!! he is not usually like this or I wouldn't be with him -starri - I heard you when you said you were the best thing that happened to Glenn - well I am the best thing that ha[ppen to G too - his ex is the most controlling woman I have ever heard about who, after 10 years divorced still obstructs whatever he tries to do and still works hard to keep him away from or in the bad books of his kids ( aged 20 to 30) who he adores - throws tantrums and the kids are afraid to upset mum! - then he had a gambling g'friend who took him for some $$$, then one who cheated on him and took him for some $$$ - and then me - I treat him with respect, and am suppotive to him, he gets a very good $$$ deal with me in terms of living arrangements (and that may be changing!) I am faithful as the day is long, I don't mind that he spends most of his free time with his horses, I have been and am open that I cannot keep up with him and am not even going to try - WTF's going on!!!

anyway thanks for the opportunity to vent - these are hard days for me -flashbacks to my Gordie in hospital - and all the feelings that come up - the mountains are lovely and the wildflowers on the hike yesterday were amazing. Unfortunately I brought along a small memory card for the camera so couldn't get all the shots i wanted but will pick up another one.

Wouldn't be surprised if he is upset because this is a more expensive hotel that he would take though certainly not outrageous but I booked later than I would have cause he said - Oh we don't have to book there will be lots of room - NOT! and I insisted on a swimming pool - I haven't been out of town in over a year! - heck - we brought lots of groceries so the food will not cost much but he nickels and dimes himself into the ground other than spending whatever he wants to looking after the horses (over 200 of them now and not selling but a few and keeps breeding them) I have suggested a few times that we sit down and figure out what the horses cost him and he says yes but obviously doesn't want to. So don't get down on me about a few days in a hotel with a swimming pool!!! BTW I am self supporting - worked hard and long for my pension despite fibro etc - just retired last year - so really all he has are his own expenses! Aaaaargh!!!!

thanks for reading - getting my head sorted now - but really need to put my energy into dealing feelings about losing my babes (Gordie) and need to do that the next few days - yet know I have to lay some things out to sig other so we can put whatever is bothering him to bed - or ... these days doesn't take much for me to hit the limit

take care all of you out there - say a few prayers for me - need them right now - love ♥♥♥ Joan
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oh honey, I do share your feelings. I, too, have teenagers, and my mom was living with me, then I had to absolutely move her out or I would have done the unspeakable to myself. I have told my husband that and i don't think he took me seriously. I do understand those feelings,, you are not alone. peace be with you,,,,,
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Hey there gang. Hope all of you are doing ok today. Sounds like some of you are having a rough day. Sorry about that I hope it gets better for you. Well a update on dad. My sister called the dr this morning we both were over here at dads when she made the call to find out the results of the chest ct scan from yesterday. And they said they found out that dad had some enlarged lymph nodes in his chest along with the one he's got in his groin area. Also, they found that he has also some gall stones. So the dr. said he thought that we needed to have pet scan done to see what all else is happening with him. So now we are just waiting to hear about when to carry him to the hospital to get the pet done. I could be wrong but it just doesn't sound good to me. My brother doesn't even know about this yet. His dumb and drunk ass has not even called about dad. Since the other day when he called and he was drunk then and said what's this I hear about dad going to the hospital for tests. Well sis started telling him and he kept interrupting her so she just quit trying to tell him. So pissed with that family. They just need to move the hell away far far away. Sick of their bitchin and belly aching. So what do ya'll think of the news on dad. Interested in ya'll thoughts of what it could be. I guess I shouldn't speculate until we have more results but it's kinda hard not to. Then for the other thing my sister has this wedding she and her husband have got to go to. The wedding is in the mountains about 5 hrs. away from where we live at. The wedding is Aug.6th but they have got to go up on the 5th and will not be back until the 7th. I told that brother of mine that I needed him to stay those two nights with dad. And he said that he would, but now this was last week I told him this before we found out that he was drinking bad again. So now sis is up in the air about leaving me here with dear brother because she is worried that he is going to leave me high and dry and not come and stay with dad. I told her not to worry about it that I would take care of him. Whether asshole comes through or not. But I can tell she is still worried about it. I think she was thinking about maybe carrying dad to the wedding but I told her she did not need to do that with all that's going on with him right now. So I'm sure I will be stressing that weekend for sure. I will be on this site venting that weekend because probably all hell is going to break loose with that crazy family of mine. Well gotta go give dad his insulin shot I will be checking back with ya'll and I will let ya'll know when he gets the pet done. Love ya'll for being here for me. Take Care everyone!!!!! Stormy
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I meant to ask if there is anyone else that shares these same feelings I have though they are confusing and certainly not healthy? I appreciae your comments.
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As I read all these comments , I realize that others are experiencing the same things I'm going through with my 96 year old mother... I can't say I find comfort in numbers becausing I would not put this on anyone. My only peace comes when she is at Adult Day Care everyday but the nights are pure misery. She becomes belligerant and I thought last night she was going to hit me. She has never involved my teen daughters before but last night she did. That was very difficult for me to tolerate. I've been living this for about 8 years; I have tried to protect her small amount of assets for the rainey day that is coming at us fast and furious.. I have even thought my family would be better if I were gone because the decision to place her in assisted living would be made . So far I have fought these feelings but on a daily basis it is becoming more difficult. Not trying to be dramatic just needing to vent as I have not got anyone that will listen; in that way this site is very important. I wish the best to all but I advise anyone that asks NOT to move a parent into their home. I have no life and the life my mother lives must be miserable. Forgive my ramblings as I often can't stay focused. I'm definitly in the sandwich generation. The worlds I'm living in seem to be closing in on me. My 16 year old is having a birthday party Saturday night and I have got to get it together; so I guess I'll make it another day. Does anyone wlse share these feelings?
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will be waiting on the story of the laser, what is up is I posted some links that I guess I was not suppose to do, so I sent them in a email to you, and others can contact me if they wish..
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Good Morning Posse!

starri......I'm knocking on wood here......but so far so good for me....:) you can picture the col doing what? I'm lost on that one. Later I will tell you all the story of the col and the laser light.....that might perk a few of you up. I still roll on the floor when I think about it. Well, h$ll froze over last night.....Target says he is going with me to Wal-Mart to pick up a few things.......we shall see. Going to be hot again today in the Midwest.....my poor garden is barely hanging in there, but by golly the grass around the boxes is nice and green and growing. I hope y'all have an improvement in your day and I will check back later.

Love and Hugz to all,
Jam
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for some reason the links i posted have disappeared, maybe I wasn't suppose to post them, if someone wants them they can email me.. bummer on not being able to post them the last one was funny as all get out
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Hi, Ladies, it seems that we are all having a bad day today, I think we need a laugh, I personally like the last link here, I can just picture the COL doing this..
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hey Vic, good to see you, If mom is capable of helping, let her, makes her feel useful.. use to do that to Mom, would take her stuff to do, so that she felt needed and useful. Not feeling needed anymore is a large contributor to depression, it's bad enough not having your body cooperate.

is your dads not being able to relax be related to pain? Hubby has a back that is going south, and tends to walk stooped over, stooping over just makes it worse..but hard not to do when you are feeling like "H***" When mine decides to do that as well, I have a hard time..
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((((Ladee)))) I am so sorry this is giving you problems, I understand about the PSTD, that disaster was enough to give it to you and then the lousy way the government responded didn't help matters any.

If you can't get your current helpers, to do something, any chance of having someone else you can turn to for assistance?

Much love and great big hugs
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Lade..know what you mean about PSTD from hurricane R .. I moved parents here to north MS after Katrina and everything changed for them! Hubby was at Sabine Pass for Rita and daughter went through Katrina in south Ms.
Change is so hard especially when you are in a stalemate situation. God bless you! I know life for you will come together soon. Hang in there girl!
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Oops..hit submit...
Anyway she just runs around behind me..thank God she has her mind and can pretty much take care of herself. So friggin independent that she doesn't want help and figures she can still do whatever she wants. She is 91 ..falls on occasion is on wafarin regime ack! Crazy me for wanting to help her. I laid down what she can and cannot do and try reaaaaallll hard to stay out of her way. Wish I had a little more personal space than I do...oh well.
Took dad tue to get CBC done. Need to call today and see how it is. I imagine that he is right on the normal line. His mind has seemed a little clearer lately since taking him off aspirin. Wish they would go on and do transfusion just to see how he does. Figure that it won't make too much difference physically but you never know. Oh well...trying to get him to drink water at meals is like well...it is worse than trying to plead with a child!
Hope everyone has the best day possible and that your charges behave! Haha...
ASG... I am with you there!
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Hi folks...back again. Have been keeping up with all of you but haven't felt like posting. Dad had a pretty decent night last night..which means I was able to get some rest. Yay! Back has been hurting more and more lately since dad is having a real hard time relaxing his muscles. When I ask him to stand he staightens his legs (mostly) but the rest of his body is still in sitting position. Same way in mornings when I try to wash him. I get so tired of yelling at him to relax...he can't hear either! Arghh.. Then there is sweet mom running around picking up and straightening and washing one or two things. I love a clean house but damn! Give me a minute to get it done! She is always saying that I do zoo muc and that
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Thanks for asking Starri, yes, I slept well, but am getting very down about this getting the banana split moved and set up.... it is getting so complicated, and am wondering if I did the right thing... just want to get settled somewhere, this is playing old tapes of after Hurricane Rita, not having a permanent place, running out of money.... just too familiar... so many of us have PTSD after the Hurricane, anything that upsets your life like that, turns it topsy turvey, and nothing is familiar, that is how I am feeling... just sort of lost... it will pass I know.. but just what I am feeling today... thanks for asking... I needed that this morning.... love and hugs..
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