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Oh and for all of us on meds........ It's not US, it's THEM......
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Seeme, I have already told you that you DESERVE a nervous breakdown... going to a nut hut would be more relaxing, and they would definitely give you plenty of drugs....so think about your options,,, I even said it was ok to draw on the walls and NOT have to clean them..... I got your back girl, just let me know a little ahead of time before you slip completely over the edge and I will make arrangements to come take care of mom for you.....You know you can trust me so you wouldn't worry about her... and stay as long as you need.. I would rather see you in there than in jail... there are real meanies in jail.......and you would stay in trouble for beating down those that did not leave you alone.... Can I bring my cat?? love ya and try to get some sleep... hugs to you...
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I got to say I take med too, and wouldn't have it any other way. Hormones and meds, aaahhhhh, yes. And I started taking them when I was stilll working just to deal with a$$holes at work, doing a job I hated. Lexapro to keep from pinging off the walls. Wellbutrin put me in crying moods, especially Hallmark and MacDonald's commercials....go figure, but I did cut down on smoking. When my caregiving days are over, I may wean myself off, but I need them now.............

I used to work at a wholesale distributor who catered to convenience stores. I was the drug buyer at the time I started taking drugs !! I also bought volatile products, like batteries, water, Gatorade, sun screen, school products, things that would go crazy suddenly. Like have a hurricane and watch the demand for batteries and water go out of sight. Have a truck of Gatorade last 2-3 weeks in the winter and jump to 2-3 truck loads a day in the summer. And heaven forbid you run out of anything in the warehouse. I was known as the Condom Queen. I could have a straight faced meeting with vendors about the need to carry mint flavored condoms for a certain population of Fayetteville, NC that was close to Ft. Bragg. I got fussed at for running out of Kellogg's marshmallow Treats when they first came out cause Kellogg's couldn't make them fast enough. Ran out of de-icer one winter when the midwest had such terrific ice and snowstorms...like it was MY fault even Snap ran out of deicer. That job put me on drugs. Then I became the office manager, and while I liked the job better, I had to deal with the girls under me and that meant I stayed on drugs. Mom is just the continuation. Looking back, maybe I'm just nuts and I need them anyway....whatever......they do keep me out of jail, which at this point is almost beginning to look like a spa to me.
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Oh yes Starri, I WANT to take the meds.... it would get so ugly without them.. Celexa and Klonopin... yeah that combo keeps me from the penitentiary or living with wolves...Most of us probably needed anti's before we ever started caregiving, I have been on meds for over 15 years, mine have nothing to do with caregiving, but does make me a lot more reasonable...So ladies, do what ya gotta do to make it thru the day..... love to all...
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YR, Jam is right ignore the side effects on the label, take the meds, Jam is also right about not being happy little campers running through fields of daisy's, but as a long and I mean long term user of anti's, I can say for a fact that they make a serious difference in how we feel.

For both of you YR and Stormy, it takes on a average two weeks to a month for you to start feeling any difference in how you feel. Standard time frame that the doctors want you to give it is two weeks, if you don't start to feel a difference, then talk with your doctor.

Stormy, you might have to try different meds to find the right one that works for you, I've been through just about all of them, good thing they keep coming out with different ones..lol.. I've tried the pristiq, for me it didn't do what it was suppose too, I've tried several others, celexa (?) think that is the name of it, it's one of the newer ones, finally back on welbutrion it's a anti, and I take Lamictal as a mood stabilizer (I'd kill someone if they tried to take that away) it brought me out of a serious black hole. My sleep med is a 2mg ativan (anti psychotic)

Anti's will help keep you from wanting to dig a hole, crawl into it crying and wanting to pull the dirt in, in behind you. Ya'll have to remember for me, I am a bipolar type 2, my main expression of that is depression, I have manic days, but no where near as bad as the BP 1's, my worst has been staying up for 3 days and about killing myself doing things. I put the energy to good use, it was near thanksgiving and I cooked 3 turkey's, something like 10 pounds of potato's, and 3 pints of gravy..lol, 2 turkeys, 9 pounds of potato's and 2.5 pints of gravy went to one of the local soup kitchens..

I know that most of us do not want to take meds, but if it's what we have to do to feel as good as we can, then that is what we do.
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YR....ignore the side effects please! If people really paid attention to all the "possible" side effects of medications we would never take anything. It's the law that they have to print them anyway. Pristiq is what my mil is on and she is doing fine. Has been on it for over a month now and have seen no adverse effects. Just remember that antidepressants will not make you happy little campers, who are running through fields of daisies singing and dancing. They will help you to deal with all your frustrations in a better frame of mind and instead of feeling like crying because the sun didn't shine on Monday, you say ehhhh it will tomorrow it's no big deal. Lexapro is an excellent antidepressant but some insurance policies won't pay for it until you have tried others first. Good luck ladies, and just think how much better you are going to feel in a month!

Love and Hugz,
Jam
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Hey YR and ladee yes i'm on the effexor for my depression. Been on it for 9 days now. Guess I still got to wait a few more weeks for the full effects of the crazy/happy pills to kick in. I just hope they work!!! And I hope the dr. doesn't have to keep testing me out on different kinds. Well, I hope everyone has a peaceful and quiet night!!!! (((((Hugs)))))))
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NiNight YR, sorry your already feeling the depression, hope the meds check out ok for you... probably be amazed at how many of us are on anti depressants.. I am. It all just gets to be too much sometimes,,, love ya and hope you get to sleep good tonight...
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Hi all, now that I'm back home I feel the depression slowly settling back down on me. I have chronic pain from OA and and a messed up back and this weighs me down. My dr. gave me a sample of Prestiq but I haven't tryed it yet. Are any of you familiar with it? I always research a med before I take it and the side effects on this one scare me.
Well, all in all dads sundowners hasn't been to bad this evening. I better knock on wood!! It is time to get him to bed. So nite everyone. I hope and pray
we all get a good nights sleep.
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nite all -Gary coming home for a short while tonite then back to work and job finished tomorrow - it will be nice to see him again after a week :)
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have a good nite, or is it morning over there? lol, never know the time difference.. I know that Australia is 12 hours ahead
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Hi girls I am very tired tonight so I just say hello to everyone. Emjo I am glad you came to Italy. You have to visit the South, now! Buonanotte
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still giggling starri - and so glad u stuck up for urself - my sister used to tell me that my problem was that I couldn't get along with my mother and my answer is funny your problem is that you can - I just can't do the a$$ kissing it takes -
yes we all need laughs - please don't feel bad about doing it - u didn't start the cr*p - they did - u know ur mum's wishes and they should be honoured - u were not just in there for what you could grab - like they were so u did not sink to their level at all!!! and starri, sweetheart, you still need space away from this cr*p to grieve your mum's passing - out of there will be a very good thing for u and hubby
jam - thanks for the kind words - if i have any wisdom i have earned it the hard way u did it to me too - laughed outloud at ur crack about the jewellery not matching starri's bro's outfits - LOL - people do hang on to junk - after we moved mother's out of her apt and her stuff up here - not enough time to sort it all out down there, there was old pantyhose, unmatching earrings etc etc - also some useful stuff and yup the antique oak which I am happy to have - still have some boxes to go through and getting better at tossing all the time - then when I moved her the second time to a bigger place she wanted this and that back and I said No - cause I knew it would be an endless list of requests for bits and pieces and then recriminations if I had tossed or given away the fav tea kettle or whatever - picked out a few things I knew were special and useful to her - got them to her and that's all she wrote!!! Truth is she will bitch either way so may as well be easy on me, and my one good arm was already in serious trouble -couldn't strain it more - green tomatoes - fried - oh yummmmm! and leave target behind if he won't go to italy - his loss - it is awesome "circling the drain" that one got me too - never hear it before lol
ros - i lived in Perugia for a month and went to language school and ended up being able to speak italian (knew french and had a lot of latin in school so it worked well for me) - travelled to Milan, Rome, Florence (oh the Uffizi Gallery - heaven) -had my 21st b'day in Venice - my sister got tiddly on the wine the waiters kept bringing us at supper and that night she sat bolt upright in bed and sang Happy Birthday to me - one of the two good memories i have of her, had the best meal - veal - in a little cafe in Assisi - got my bum pinched on the bus lol
and flirted with a couple of great italian guys - Oh my they can flirt - one guy - oh my - it was good we left when we did!!!
sweetcakes - it is gramma's chair isn't it - my mistake - tweet to lulu and let us know how u r doing
stormy - praying that you get all the right people and you withstand ur sister's reaction - jam has got it right let sis have her fun and you can have yours too - with your beautiful red headed son and your hubby - that is no place for your boy he should be out in the sunshine playing with his toys
just to repeat - I am joan benoit on facebook and the top hit - have put the same pic up there as I have here - Gordie understands - he told me that this morning and no I am not going crazy - have added some of you and it gives me such a warm feeling to see my "family" (I'm with you ladee -choose your family) growing
all u other wonderful people - have a good day!♥
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ahh Jam, God love you for the laugh, I can just picture the fear on Targets face when you give him the evil grin... It's good to see you posting, missed you. Price wise I would have to say that this area is one of the best for cheap living. Hence my desire for maintaining a SC address, got to thinking last night, get the other brother to let us use his address, still have our mail on forwarding and see what happens.

DMV and those have to have a street address, while they will mail stuff to your P.O box, they do need a physical addy. We'll figure it out, the RV mail forwarding people do have addresses that you can use for stuff like that, so that might be a idea.. Most things like tag renewals you can do through mail. Bills I pay online right now anyway. About the only thing you might have to do in person is a new drivers license. With the new extended license they give you might not even have to do that. Pretty much all banks have debit cards now, so you don't even need to change your bank.

All the bugs can be worked out on this trip, one thing I have been doing is looking around at the smaller towns in AZ, NV, etc.. all close to the border of CA, picking one and then pulling up it's local news paper on line, I can check out the going rates on the apartments and stuff there. Gives me a basic idea on what the cost is going to look like. In warmer, drier climates, I don't have to worry about pipes freezing, mold growing on the walls from the humidity, etc.. about all would be robbers, but what we would leave there would not be worth stealing anyway.

If they want the 200.00 TV from Walmart let them have it. I believe our home computer is going to go the way of the dinosaur and we'll just be using the laptops for computers with a external hard drive for extra storage. Pictures can be stored on line now. Hughes net while on the expensive side will let you have wireless anywhere you are.

So this trip is going to be a good one.. Love and Hugs to all..
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Morning all, Jo glad I was able to give you a laugh..lol, we all need some of those, I felt rotten about doing it, felt I had sank to their level, but they knew well and good that the pictures and jewelry were suppose to come to me, and they took them anyway..without saying "hey" we got some pictures/jewelry over here..

For those of you struggling with idiots for family, stomp your foot, raise your fist and scream at the top of your lungs, " I ain't gong to take this S*** anymore" Time to get hubby's butt out of bed, he laid around yesterday, what time he wasn't on the computer. Today there's a honey do list for him...lol..
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Good Morning Posse!!!!!

Haven't posted much this week, been a little bit busy and almost too hot to move. But it sounds like most have had a terrific week and getting lots of things done.

stormy.....in my 25 yrs in EMS, suctioning goobers was the one thing that would turn my stomach....every single time. So I don't blame you for having a hard time doing it. Can you explain to your Dad that you have called hospice for help, not because you want him to think he's circling the drain? And if sis gets mad, too bad, schedule them to come when it would have been your shift, that way sis won't miss out on all the fun!

emjo............you are a very wise woman and I love reading your posts. You have so much to offer others with your words of wisdom.

starri.....it seems like I remember reading an article that said your area of the country was one of the best to retire to. I've read some on Yahoo, like the top 10 places in the country to retire and what taxes, etc are. You might try that and get some ideas on where you could stop and still be close to family. I'm glad you retrieved the jewelry that was meant for you. It probably wouldn't have matched any of your brother's outfits anyway. Several years ago when my younger bro and sis were moving my mother back here from Michigan after her husband passed away, they put everything in a storage unit. They had sold their house and were living in a mobile home, but I know what a pack rat my mother was, so it didn't surprise me to find out there were also 3 storage units. Anyway, I kept telling them to bring her things to my house and store them in the barn and stop paying $60/mo for a unit. They finally did and I'm wondering why are we so concerned with all this junk? When they moved her they just threw crap in and what little of the "good stuff" they brought, well they scavenged through it and took the antique furniture and a freezer, after that there was really nothing left. And half of her things they left in Michigan. I ended up throwing everything away as it was nothing but junk. The only thing my mother ever talked about was wanting her purse. The night she was taken to the hospital and then ended up in the NH, someone had taken her purse, had to be younger sister, but we could never find it. One day, just before Mom passed away last Dec, this same sister says oh yeah, I found her purse. Gee, did you get whatever you wanted out of it? This is the same sister who took ALL of mom's winter sweaters for storage, then let them become infested with fleas, and when I asked for them several times she finally told me she would go to Goodwill and find a couple to replace them. I was livid because there were good sweaters that I know what I paid for! I guess the moral of that story is some siblings can be such a$$holes, and we share the same genes!

YR.....glad vacation was good to you........ready for another one yet?
54......prayers to you and your family
Vic.... haven't heard from you for a while
Debbie......I bet the chair you are redoing for Grandma is beautiful and how thoughtful even when she is being nasty. It was Gma wasn't it?
burned....hope you're getting all of your paperwork figured out. I always hate the paper part of anything.
seeme......poor momma, how is she feeling? This has got to be wearing her down. And then to look like she's been through a war zone. Bless her heart and your's too of course...:)
ladee.....sorry you have to work today. Are you working for Sonny and Marie or on your new home?
rossella.......I would love to visit Italy.....unfortunately Target says he would never go to Europe again. He has been to Spain years ago. Maybe I should consider leaving him at home.

I'm not sure what today will bring...at least I know I will have to keep water on the garden. The news said last night that we will be having the hottest temps in 5 yr this week. Some of our grass is turning brown, but I have tons of green tomatoes to be saved. Monday we are driving down to the lake house to get more stuff....I don't have a clue where I will put anything. We're bringing back a bedroom set and there is not a single space in this house to put it and Target says you'll find a place. I have been looking at him with an evil smile on my face.

Hello to everyone else........post and let us know how you are doing..........

Love and Hugz to all,
Jam
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Morning ya'll, for all my new FB friends, please use the name you use here for awhile unitl I am familiar with your "real" name... I am acting more and more like my charges everyday.... don't ya love it...
Indy, give that brave little dufus dog a kiss for me this morning, I love goofy dogs...
Burned, regardless of what all you are dealing with, I do see a difference in you.. I am very proud of you and yes you have an unreal load, but you are doing it with courage and grace, and just know you are appreciated here..
Starri, be on the lookout for places to move on your trip, yep, I got away from my family.... my friends are my family.... couldn't make it without ya'll
stormy, your little one could pet Cheyenne but could not ride him,He would land in the middle of next week if he tried to get on her back...I will get more pics, there are three of them and they will be living on the property I will be on IF I ever get my house moved..
Yes for calling hospice, what is she going to do, be ungrateful, get mad, be passive aggressive, well duh, you already have been there with her with all that, you have a RIGHT to at least have someone take up the slack for YOU, and if she wants to continure will let her do it.. but you have a back up plan... I know now you are the smart one of the bunch.... good job...

Seeme, hope you got some sleep last night..
Jam, you do have a good excuse now if the col ends up in the pond, she didn't have her glasses on.......
Everyone else, I will try to get caught up, but am going to have to get ready for work,,, God , I will be glad when today is over.... love ya'll and be back later...
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(((((stormy)))))) (((((((starri))))))) - doing right by yourselves - and so you should - awesome! starri I had to laugh at the image of you going over there and swapping beads for jewellery and taking the pictures - oh boy, that's two for the good guys!!! stormy I'm proud of you - I deeply desire that things would not be as you and others experience in their families, but in my reality they are sometimes - use and abuse -
YR was so happy to see you on fb this am - beautiful grandbabies!!!
ladee - tell me more about emjojohn - I am very proud of my american indian (cree)heritage even if I came to it by marriage - I learned much and love my ex mil and ex and i are friends (after all the water that has gone under the bridge we still care for one another and share Gordie)
John - how is the diet going - will share a bit of info - aspartame causes weight gain - and you find it in many (most) diet soda - according to one study people who stopped drinking it lost an average of 19 lbs - I have lost 3 so far very quickly :)
hope everyone has a good day and remember - do right by yourself as well as by others - sometimes that takes more strength
love and hugs ♥♥♥ Joan
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Thanks Stormy, not moving away just yet, but will probably do so soon, right now it's more of a save my sanity trip, we're pointing the nose of the truck towards CA, and if it takes us two months to get there so be it.

It breaks my heart that he would take part in this, I honestly don't think it was him that did it, I believe it was the "friend" of the family that did it, but baby brother is just as guilty by not stepping in and saying something. We're currently living on baby brothers property, so I expect to get asked to leave when he comes over and finds pad locks on the door...lol. and you know what? I truly could give a rat's ass less, at this point and time.

Hubby and I gave up a home (rental) that we both really liked, to come out here and watch after him and Mom, Mom's gone now, and baby brother is being a serious ass.. I've thought about it and thought about it, I think that we are going to go to CA, do what we need to do there, such as visit with DH's family, get my divorce certificates and then come back here and start cleaning out all the crap we have here and get ready to get out of here... I've pretty much had enough.

Don't know where we would live.. Hubby brings home a good amount of money per month, but anywhere on the west coast will kill you in cost of living... along with insurance for the cars and tags. Example? when I moved out here (SC) 15 years ago from CA, the month before mom and I made the move, I paid 150.00 for car tags. Got here and of course you have to switch plates, I paid a whole 35.00.. Insurance for a car and a truck is running 170.00 per month, full coverage, and I paid far more than that in CA for basic street legal. Hubby wants to be near his family, and I can't blame him, he's been out here 11 years, and only been back to see his family once. Would love to find a way to keep a SC address so that we can keep our vehicles registered here.. Somethings got to give before I do..lol..
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Hi all, got dad to bed and things are quite here. Starri, I'm glad you took the jewelry and pictures. I don't know why our families have to be that way. I hope everyone had a good day. I am feeling brain dead and can't think straight right now so I will just say good night and I will try to find you guys on fb tomorrow. Peace
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Good for you Starri!!!! I would do the same thing if he was taking mom's jewelry. And for sure I would change them locks and won't he be surprised when he can't get in... So where are you going to??? Are you moving away??? I know what you mean all of this mess with my family is tearing all of us apart... It is sad but true!!! Take Care!!! (((((Hugs)))))).
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How I wish I could just bury the family, sad really that it has reached this point, baby brother claimed all he found was cheap beads, not the truth, some of mom's antique jewelry, so I swapped them out with cheap beads and dare him to say something.

I also found a box full of pictures in there, and guess what? they came home with me and once again I dare him to say something..lol... he should be home tomorrow evening, I'm going to go back to mom's and do what I can to finish getting that place together.. even if it's not done by the time the 27th rolls around, I am out of here..

Went to the store today, picked up some locks, will have this place locked up tighter than a drum when we leave. Man I hate it to be this way. Ladee hope you are feeling better, Stormy, Glad to hear that you are. Big hugs to everyone else.
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Well ya'll I did something yesterday that I have been wanting to do for months now. My dad has this friend that he done business with for years well he was coming to visit dad and he talked to me about trying to get some help in for me and my sister. So we could take a break. He told me that his daughter works for hospice in the town we live in and that I could just call her and talk to her and just ask her some questions about what all they could offer to us in the way of helping to take care of dad. So yesterday I called her and told her that my sister did not know that i was calling her and that I was just calling to ask some questions. So anyway she told me dad could have a nurse come in like twice a week and a cna could come in 3 times a week. I asked her if they had anyone that was knowledgeable in taking care of trach patients and if they did would they be willing to stay like once or twice a week at night. And she said that they had people that knew about trachs but that would be private care duty. So she let me make some phone calls and see if I can find someone that would be willing to stay with him at night some. She was suppose to call me today but I haven't heard from her yet. Our luck she probably can't find anyone. I'm waiting for things to cool down with my sister and everybody else in the family before I tell my sister that I called her (hospice). If we bring in someone from hospice dad will think for sure that he is dying. Well I better go the pills are starting to make me sleepy. Love, (((((Hugs))))),and Prayers across the miles Friends!!!!! Nite, Nite....
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I found you too ladee, your little granddaughter is so cute and so is the donkey... My little boy would probably want to ride him like a horsey.
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got ya, ladee - great pic of your granddaughter with the donkey!
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Ok, stormy and emjo, I couldn't find you on FB, ya'll friend me, ... Linda Miller, my pic will be a little girl, my grandaughter Keltin, and the donkey, Cheyenne... I may not respond tonite I am going to bed ,,, have to work tomorrow..hugs..
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Yes, luckily you found me!
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its joan benoit not bennet - my therapist called me beautiful yesterday - do you think I have anything to worry about???? LOL ;)
and i have white hair and glasses and a dark outfit - I will put the pic back for a bit and then put Gordie up again
then sweetcakes will know I am really a woman ;)

ros and starri I sent invitations - I am not great on fb but i manage
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Emjo, between the Joan Bennet I found a very beautiful lady with necklace, earrings and a purple dress. Is that you? You can look for me rossella messina, the photo is the same that you see here-
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Relatives! Let's batter them all!
I am taking a whole different direction in my life. I am becoming an animist and I am having great satisfactions in it. I have a very good relation with any kind of water, lately.... And I am having a closer relationship with plants. I have many plants in my garden, which have been kindly left me by the former owner of my house. It is crazy because until some days ago, I watered them because "I had to". A few days ago, I woke up and I though (out of nowhere) : "I LOVE MY PLANTS!" And I started to water them with another attitude, with love, in fact.
You won't believe it, 2 evenings ago I said my rose: "you make very beautiful flowers" and yesterday I found 2 new roses, pink and perfect! I thanked the plant and I petted her on her leaf. Then I realized that the other plants could be offended, and I said a kind word to everyone. You won't believe it again, tonight I looked at my wisteria and I noticed she had made a single flower, too! (it had been naked for weeks because of the hot weather). I think my plants are kind of thanking me for watering them with love. And now I think, and I think I am right, that plants blossom when they are happy.
I have to work so I kiss you all
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