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My skinny vegetarian friend was plagued with gall stones and she refused any kind of surgery because she's very anti doctor/modern medicine. I assume her natural treatments are working for her 🤷🏻‍♀️
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Evamar - my family have been consumers of our health care system since the 70's so I think I've learned a lot of the ins and outs, I think a lot of time the difference between those who get timely treatment and those who wait comes down to your GP's ability to think outside the box and to advocate for their patients. Back in the day my dad died while waiting for coronary bypass surgery, I now know that his doctor could have pushed him to the top of the list if the surgeon had been made aware his angina was no longer stable.
Of course the crisis now due to lack of staff is it's own kind of special h3ll, I don't know how to get around that because all the money in the world can't manufacture enough health care workers.
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cwillie, my opinion is the 1%-ers are taking up all the available labor and services because they can and will pay for whatever it takes to get it. This is based on my son's business... he's a specialty mason (building outdoor stone kichens, fireplaces, pool surrounds, etc). He's been on 1 small lakefront house job (multimillion dollar house) for 2 years for a "philanthropist" and she just keeps making up more stuff to add to her project. Now a huge developer wants him to work exclusively for them. This means he won't be doing work for the middle-class (or even upper middle class) clients. This applies to the healthcare industry as well.
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🎼🎵 there's nothing surer, the rich get rich and the poor get poorer🎶(ain't we got fun)
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Eva - I am with you on wanting to avoid surgery though I don't think it is because of fear. I would just prefer to find another way to deal with whatever if I can. If I have to have it - so be it. I will ask if it can be done with local anesthetic rather than general as general anesthetic messes with you more than local.

I have had general anesthetic three times - once as a preschool child to have my tonsils removed - it was ether, I think. The next time, ether again, during the childbirth process of my first child, my dd. That bothered me as I had already gone through all the pain, including an episiotomy without anesthetic, and she was coming out. Why deprived me of being conscious for her actual birth? And the last time about 40 years ago for a d and c following a miscarriage. When I woke up from that I was ready to walk home. So I haven't had any bad experiences with anesthetic.

My grandfather had his gall bladder removed in his 70s. He was very fit and trim. My mother (his dd) had hers removed when she was my age 86. She also was very fit and trim. It certainly isn't a matter of being obese. My father and his sisters never had gall bladders, or appendices removed. I hope I take after them. lol

cw - Your skinny friend with gall bladder issues - there may come a point for her...
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Golden,
I did ask, no local for this type of surgery.
I am dreading next attack as it was the most painful thing, so avoiding it by eating nutrients dense mostly plant based diet seems to be working
Cwillie,
You are so right, more money is not the answer, waiting for GP appointment for more than 2 weeks, lab for 2 months, MRI 6 months, I could go on and on.
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(((((Eva)))) hope it continues to work for you.

I remember a young man, ex colleague of my then husband who was going through gall bladder attacks and much pain. After he had it removed he looked 10 years younger.
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Great point Golden,
I will remember that if needed.
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Getting ready to out for a meal with our daughters for Father’s Day.

Happy Father’s Day to all dads!
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Have a good time, Need.

Happy Father's Day to all the dads on here. You deserve a good time.🎈🏀🍟🍩🍔🥩🍦
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anyone on the forum currently having an easy, relaxing, super productive, wonderful, happy, worry-free, day? ❤️

hahahaha.
yeah, i know. ok, back to dealing with my troubles...

hug ❤️🙂
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A CBC article about a study showing that removal of the fallopian tubes cuts the rate of ovarian cancer had me doing some web research. It seems the most recent research suggests that ovarian cancer may actually begin in the fallopian tubes - simply removing them instead of having a tubal ligation or including their removal during a simple hysterectomy allows women to keep their ovaries and possibly eliminate ovarian cancer. This is HUGE, why hasn't this been getting more attention?
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cwillie, my guess is, that it's not that simple. that's why it hasn't been getting that much attention. there are always pros/cons to removing something from the body. and it's possible it doesn't - really - reduce the risk of cancer. one can always find competent research that says the exact opposite of another competent research.
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This finding isn't even that new BOJ, and in the articles from reputable sources like Harvard Medicine and the Cleveland Clinic causation sounds pretty definite. The more I read the more gobsmacked I am.
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cwillie,I read that as well. It’s not getting more attention because men don’t have fallopian tubes .

In some states here in the US, some politicians ( mostly men ) are taking away access to abortion , even if it means without it the mother will die . In some states there have been cases where the fetus is not viable at all or has already died and the mother’s life was in grave danger without an abortion and was still denied an abortion . Some states are passing or trying to pass laws that it is illegal to go to another state even for a lifesaving abortion .

I won’t get into the pro life versus pro choice debate , except to say that the majority of Americans believe there should be access to abortion and birth control .

What I’m getting at is that , access to these things save women’s lives . Access to birth control saves teenagers lives . As pregnancy can frequently be high risk , especially for the younger teens . The teen pregnancy rate is at the lowest it has been in 50 years . These are facts.

Some politicians want insurance companies to stop covering the cost of birth control . What I don’t see is any talk about getting rid of access to Viagra or other similar meds , or penile implants etc . Viagra is very expensive but there is no talk of it not being paid for by insurance . There is no talk of restricting access to surgery for men’s sexual function .( And by the way men’s sexual dysfunction is not life threatening , but having access to treatment for this is not being taken away) .

So what all this tells me is that men’s sexual health matters , but women’s doesn’t even in a life threatening situation.
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Yes, I feel the same as you Way2tired, it must be because it is about women's health. But there are women having those two procedures every day that might have opted for salpingectomy if they and their doctors were informed of the possible benefit, the additional time added to their surgeries is minuscule. And in those with higher probability of ovarian cancer the possibility of preserving the ovaries at least until after menopause is also a part of the conversation nobody is talking about.
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cwillie, I agree. If it was me going for that procedure I would want to be informed of these studies and have the option to have the tubes removed .
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boj - while I agree there are always pros and cons to removing something from the body, I don't think your final statement is fair. Do contradictions show up in legitimate research? Of course. And in time they are most often resolved by further research. If there are apparent contradictions you have to read an articles/papers carefully to establish what they are saying and under what conditions rather than believing what is published in summaries in popular press. Sometimes there actually is no contradiction, just a different circumstance. This is my experience.

cw - I believe that many valid and important discoveries slip by without gaining much media attention. It was many years ago that the action of aspirin on preventing blood clotting was discovered. (1950) I remember thinking that that discovery should be applied to medical treatment to people liable to heart attacks as the discoverer did. I don't believe it was used generally for quite a while after that. Medicine moves slowly when it comes to new treatments. I've heard it said it is 20 years behind research findings. The emphasis nowadays seems to be more or new drugs.

way - very good points!
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Golden . I agree there may not always being a contraindication , but a different circumstance .

Women of high risk for breast cancer opt for mastectomies every day . I would think having the option to have fallopian tubes removed to prevent cancer , especially if it runs in families, would be an opportunity that could save lives.
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Way -totally agree. What a saving of lives and money for that matter, if the powers who be would only see it that way.
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"Do contradictions show up in legitimate research? Of course. And in time they are most often resolved by further research."

hugs, golden.
do contradictions show up? yes actually, and sometimes one can't be sure it's really been resolved. with time, that "finally resolved issue", might suddenly yet again be contradicted by other competent, reliable research.

sometimes, even some things we're verrrry certain about regarding health, can later turn out to be wrong.
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boj - absolutely true - the nature of science is proving and disproving...However over time a body of research eventually establishes certain "truths" Like the law of Gravity. I don't think anyone disputes that anymore. There aren't many "laws"
regarding medicine but there are still many valid and useful findings that don't waver under new scrutiny. And there are some that do!

cw, way - re the removal of fallopian tubes. there is evidence that herpes simplex virus-2 plays a part in ovarian cancer which would make sense of removing the tubes in that it can travel up the tubes to the ovaries. There is also a possible link between certain herpes viruses and breast cancer.
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Bundle of Joy, I'm having "an easy, relaxing, super productive, wonderful, happy, worry-free, day".



...Just joking. But it would be neat if someone on the forum is.
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bundle ,

that does happen sometimes where new research debunks old to the point where we do a 180 on something .

I doubt though that removing fallopian tubes will be one of those things that is contraindicated . Fallopian tubes have been removed for many many years with total hysterectomies , with no known adverse effect of not having them .
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just read this sentence from a random person on the internet, somewhere in the world:

“Who needs a predictable good day when the rollercoaster of a bad day can be so much more exciting?”

emmmm, no thanks.
i don't think this person has ever done - any - caregiving.
🙂
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I usually don’t have an insomnia issue. In the past, I have had sleepless nights, mostly due to stress, too much coffee or bad dreams.

My daughter showed me this watch thing that she is wearing that does all kinds of things. One thing is measuring her sleep schedule because she does struggle with getting enough sleep.

Apparently, she has a subscription to something for this thing that she is wearing.

How does tracking sleep and paying for an ongoing subscription help? I didn’t ask her these questions because she is entitled to do whatever she chooses to do.

I am just curious. I don’t think I would wear one of those things. Maybe there are good reasons why to wear one. I am only saying that I am not motivated to do so.
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My brother had his surgery today. So, now he can move onto the next step.

Thanks again to everyone who said prayers for him.
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My cheapest model fitbit tracks sleep and there are no fees unless you subscribe, but I guess it depends on how much info you need.
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cw, I am with you. If a Fitbit does all of this, then why does my daughter need a subscription? I think it’s silly and kind of gimmicky.

How long have you had a Fitbit? Do you find it helpful?

I do the same routine on my exercise cycle. It tracks the mileage and calories burned and all of that but I don’t really pay attention to any of it. I do 30 minutes on the bike and then stop.
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My fitbit was a christmas gift a couple of years ago and it's still going strong. At first I rolled my eyes and was reluctant try it but I'm hooked now, it has been my primary motivation to get off my butt and move!
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