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JoAnn, I worked 15 years for an elementary school. Whenever I had cafeteria duty we put the extras on a cart for kiddos to take. It is ridiculous how much food gets tossed though.
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Lowfat or nofat is really not good for kids. They need the fat that is in whole milk. I never had to add flavoring to milk for my girls, they loved milk just the way it was.

I have been in a school cafeteria, maybe 35 yrs ag, and have seen the waste. Apples thrown in the trash and full cartons of milk. Why, because the cafeteria ladies are mandated to give it to the children even if they say they don't want it. I have read that schools now are trying to stop that waste by allowing the kids to put what they don't want on trays that have been set out. And that kids who want an xtra milk or apple can have them, even take them home for later.
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Anabanana,

The other message was , you have to give up everything ( be prepared to give up your dreams ) to be a (single) Mom. And the teacher applauded that .
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TNtechie,
yeah some kids won’t drink it without flavor .
And I just checked my milk . It doesn’t say ADDED sugar . It says 12 grams , but I thought that it was natural since it does not say added. Is there no sugar naturally in milk ?
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Ana, yes it gave you that time to explain that its really not good to give up everything for one person. My girls grew up with a working Mom. Sometimes f/t sometimes p/t depending on their ages. My oldest was 16 when she had her son. I quit a job to care for him, a preemie. I wanted her to finish HighSchool and go onto Nursing school. She chose to do only the LPN so she could go to work. At 19 she got a job and later moved out on her own, Grandson was put in Daycare and I went back to work. DD bought herself a car and at 24 the house she still lives in. She later went back to school and received her RN while working 32 hrs a week so she could keep her benefits. She has 26 yrs of experience and is highly paid for that experience. Her son considers her a strong woman. He is now 29 and has a strong work ethic.

That mother did her daughter no favors giving up everything for her. I agree, she will eventually throw that back into the daughters face.
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So what do you guys think about our federal department of education trying to eliminate flavored low fat milk from schools - supposedly because of the sugar content. Guess they haven't examined the milk boxes enough to realize virtually all low-fat milk has added sugar in an attempt to make it palatable (also like many almond and coconut milks).

When my nephews were young, they didn't care for plain milk very much. So I added chocolate and strawberry quik to their milk so they would drink it all. They were active and thin kids so I didn't need to worry about an extra 100-150 calories a day. I just wanted the calcium and other nutrients in the milk in their growing bodies. They're in their mid-40s now, drink plain old milk by the glassfulls (especially when offered with dark chocolate cake or fresh cookies) and do not have a weight problem. Similar path taken with the grand-nephews and though they are just in high school they are fit with no weight problems. I use unsweetened almond milk for my cereal and for cooking almost daily pudding offerings for the grands and FSs because it has more calcium (very important for boys will less than normal bone density) and fewer calories. I do have a long standing weight problem (unusual for my family) which I track to developing asthma and taking multiple medications with weight gain as a side effect and some yummy expense account meals. In the last couple of years I've made an effort to reduce and I've lost 50+ pounds, never sacrificing my love affair with "real" milk.

The Obama era federal pushes to reduce fat and calories in school lunches led to the boys wanting packed lunches every day; very thankful the guidelines were loosened. Guess I will be pushing harder to have the county school system provide lunches at no cost and get out from under the federal interference.

Vent over.
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That’s how I heard it. “I gave up EVERYTHING for you. I’ll expect you to repay the debt.”
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Ana, golden .
That mother that gave up everything at 20 years old will be extracting promises from that girl .
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cwillie - lots of work at that age. Glad it went well.

Ana - I'm with you and Way. Definitely inappropriate. I had my kids, still kept up with my education and friends, and work, hopes and dreams. What is she going to expect from that child in the future? Scares me.
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Way, I thought so too. As did my daughter. She logs into a city school in our region for this course. Not a teacher from her school. The good: it led to us having a thoughtful discussion.
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Anabana, that teacher’s response was inappropriate on more than one level .
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I need to vent. I acknowledge that I might be way off base here as I am jaded. But this isn’t sitting well with me.

Daughter, in high school, psychology course about children and families, project about parenting styles. Online (night school) presentation.

One girl went on and on and on and on and on about how appreciative she is of her mother, who, at 20, single, gave up her friends, gave up her education, gave up her career aspirations, gave up all her hopes and dreams to have her.

The teacher enthusiastically applauded their closeness, open and honest relationship. While my head filled with alarm bells.

My daughter asked me not to contact the teacher, as there’s only one class left. I’ll keep my worms sealed in their can.

I hope this girl finds a supportive group if she finds herself struggling to balance her own life and her mother’s.
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Send - yes, I don't often try to help those with dysfunctional family drama, I don't really have anything new to give and those threads always tend to be so negative :(
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Golden - The kids are 5 and 3, one in JK and the other in day care during the week but all ours on the weekend. I was pleasantly surprised that they didn't really get upset about mommy and daddy being away for so long.... but I was more than ready to get back to my quiet home!
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cwillie: Wow! Good that you have some time to get back on.
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Miss you AlvaDeer.
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Everybody who was corrupted, locked out, and asked for help to get back on during the AC blitz, in March, might want to re-check their settings.
My Privacy settings were all undone.

People who refuse to limit the length of their posts and are new to the forum should not take it personally if I cannot take on their sorrows. Others can help them. imo.

I reset my privacy settings, all is well.
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Welcome back, cwillie. Goodness,, what ages are they?
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Hi all, I'm back again after a week of babysitting and I was too busy to even check the forum..... it took sis, BIL and I to babysit two kids, LOL.
I've discovered another glitch - I tried scrolling older posts on my news feed and it will not load anything older than May 12, it just keeps reloading that page when I hit the see more button at the bottom of the feed 🤔
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Message for Alva (if you get to read it)..

Thank you. You have given me & many others much good & sensible advice.

You see the truth & speak it. XX
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Thanks for the Alva update, BarbBrooklyn.
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I like Alva. She gave very good advice and I hope she comes back.
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Hi all. Alva says "hi". She is not blocked; she closed her account by choice. She reads here often and enjoys the comments.
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For those of you whose posts have been heavily edited, have you communicated with Ashley? If you need her email address, I have it somewhere in my AOL from back when I was getting locked out continually.

I believe Alva said she was "walking away". I hope she comes back.
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Polar, I've been wondering about alvadeer too, as I really miss her contributions. I suspect her account may still be suspended by AC, because if you go to her profile you can't get into it. That's what lealonie's profile was like when she was in her one week suspension by AC. However, if a person voluntarily chooses to withdraw from AC, permanently or for a while, perhaps that's what their profile looks like too.
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@venting

You're exactly right. There's more to being supportive of people then just telling them how great they are. Or commiserating with them about how lousy and unfair their circumstances are.

While both are part of being supportive, this is not all. Being supportive also means being straight up with people for their own good.

Calling them out when they refuse to take even one tiny step forward to help themselves and improve their situation in the slightest way.

Being supportive also means telling a person when they are playing the victim or being a martyr.

In plain language I guess everything I've mentioned falls under an umbrella coverage of plainly calling people out on their BS.

If this site has a problem with honesty, then this group should make a different group.
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I haven't seen Alvadeer lately. Is she taking a break from AC?
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I wonder if poop will be replaced with bowel movement. Got to be politically correct when speaking about bodily functions.
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Regarding editing …I wrote a letter to the editor of our local newspaper one time in response to an editorial. The editorial was reflecting one side of a local issue that was causing a divide in our local community .
I wanted to point out a false statement that was in the editorial as well as how past articles in this newspaper were very slanted towards one side of the issue and would cherry pick certain aspects of the issue , thus perpetuating the divide .
By the time they butcher edited my letter they had it completely turned around that I agreed with the writer of the editorial on the issue . which I did not. They printed this awful letter with my name on it. I then wrote another letter to the editor regarding the fact that their editing totally changed the message in my letter . That letter of course was not printed . It was ignored totally .
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@Burnt
It becomes absurd, because then the only permissible things to write on the forum, are like:
"poor, poor you"
"you're so great OP"
"you're such a victim in all of this"
"you're doing all the right things OP"
"there isn't a single thing you're doing wrong"

etc.
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