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Bundle of Joy, I'm having "an easy, relaxing, super productive, wonderful, happy, worry-free, day".



...Just joking. But it would be neat if someone on the forum is.
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boj - absolutely true - the nature of science is proving and disproving...However over time a body of research eventually establishes certain "truths" Like the law of Gravity. I don't think anyone disputes that anymore. There aren't many "laws"
regarding medicine but there are still many valid and useful findings that don't waver under new scrutiny. And there are some that do!

cw, way - re the removal of fallopian tubes. there is evidence that herpes simplex virus-2 plays a part in ovarian cancer which would make sense of removing the tubes in that it can travel up the tubes to the ovaries. There is also a possible link between certain herpes viruses and breast cancer.
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"Do contradictions show up in legitimate research? Of course. And in time they are most often resolved by further research."

hugs, golden.
do contradictions show up? yes actually, and sometimes one can't be sure it's really been resolved. with time, that "finally resolved issue", might suddenly yet again be contradicted by other competent, reliable research.

sometimes, even some things we're verrrry certain about regarding health, can later turn out to be wrong.
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Way -totally agree. What a saving of lives and money for that matter, if the powers who be would only see it that way.
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Golden . I agree there may not always being a contraindication , but a different circumstance .

Women of high risk for breast cancer opt for mastectomies every day . I would think having the option to have fallopian tubes removed to prevent cancer , especially if it runs in families, would be an opportunity that could save lives.
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boj - while I agree there are always pros and cons to removing something from the body, I don't think your final statement is fair. Do contradictions show up in legitimate research? Of course. And in time they are most often resolved by further research. If there are apparent contradictions you have to read an articles/papers carefully to establish what they are saying and under what conditions rather than believing what is published in summaries in popular press. Sometimes there actually is no contradiction, just a different circumstance. This is my experience.

cw - I believe that many valid and important discoveries slip by without gaining much media attention. It was many years ago that the action of aspirin on preventing blood clotting was discovered. (1950) I remember thinking that that discovery should be applied to medical treatment to people liable to heart attacks as the discoverer did. I don't believe it was used generally for quite a while after that. Medicine moves slowly when it comes to new treatments. I've heard it said it is 20 years behind research findings. The emphasis nowadays seems to be more or new drugs.

way - very good points!
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cwillie, I agree. If it was me going for that procedure I would want to be informed of these studies and have the option to have the tubes removed .
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Yes, I feel the same as you Way2tired, it must be because it is about women's health. But there are women having those two procedures every day that might have opted for salpingectomy if they and their doctors were informed of the possible benefit, the additional time added to their surgeries is minuscule. And in those with higher probability of ovarian cancer the possibility of preserving the ovaries at least until after menopause is also a part of the conversation nobody is talking about.
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cwillie,I read that as well. It’s not getting more attention because men don’t have fallopian tubes .

In some states here in the US, some politicians ( mostly men ) are taking away access to abortion , even if it means without it the mother will die . In some states there have been cases where the fetus is not viable at all or has already died and the mother’s life was in grave danger without an abortion and was still denied an abortion . Some states are passing or trying to pass laws that it is illegal to go to another state even for a lifesaving abortion .

I won’t get into the pro life versus pro choice debate , except to say that the majority of Americans believe there should be access to abortion and birth control .

What I’m getting at is that , access to these things save women’s lives . Access to birth control saves teenagers lives . As pregnancy can frequently be high risk , especially for the younger teens . The teen pregnancy rate is at the lowest it has been in 50 years . These are facts.

Some politicians want insurance companies to stop covering the cost of birth control . What I don’t see is any talk about getting rid of access to Viagra or other similar meds , or penile implants etc . Viagra is very expensive but there is no talk of it not being paid for by insurance . There is no talk of restricting access to surgery for men’s sexual function .( And by the way men’s sexual dysfunction is not life threatening , but having access to treatment for this is not being taken away) .

So what all this tells me is that men’s sexual health matters , but women’s doesn’t even in a life threatening situation.
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This finding isn't even that new BOJ, and in the articles from reputable sources like Harvard Medicine and the Cleveland Clinic causation sounds pretty definite. The more I read the more gobsmacked I am.
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cwillie, my guess is, that it's not that simple. that's why it hasn't been getting that much attention. there are always pros/cons to removing something from the body. and it's possible it doesn't - really - reduce the risk of cancer. one can always find competent research that says the exact opposite of another competent research.
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A CBC article about a study showing that removal of the fallopian tubes cuts the rate of ovarian cancer had me doing some web research. It seems the most recent research suggests that ovarian cancer may actually begin in the fallopian tubes - simply removing them instead of having a tubal ligation or including their removal during a simple hysterectomy allows women to keep their ovaries and possibly eliminate ovarian cancer. This is HUGE, why hasn't this been getting more attention?
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anyone on the forum currently having an easy, relaxing, super productive, wonderful, happy, worry-free, day? ❤️

hahahaha.
yeah, i know. ok, back to dealing with my troubles...

hug ❤️🙂
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Have a good time, Need.

Happy Father's Day to all the dads on here. You deserve a good time.🎈🏀🍟🍩🍔🥩🍦
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Getting ready to out for a meal with our daughters for Father’s Day.

Happy Father’s Day to all dads!
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Great point Golden,
I will remember that if needed.
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(((((Eva)))) hope it continues to work for you.

I remember a young man, ex colleague of my then husband who was going through gall bladder attacks and much pain. After he had it removed he looked 10 years younger.
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Golden,
I did ask, no local for this type of surgery.
I am dreading next attack as it was the most painful thing, so avoiding it by eating nutrients dense mostly plant based diet seems to be working
Cwillie,
You are so right, more money is not the answer, waiting for GP appointment for more than 2 weeks, lab for 2 months, MRI 6 months, I could go on and on.
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Eva - I am with you on wanting to avoid surgery though I don't think it is because of fear. I would just prefer to find another way to deal with whatever if I can. If I have to have it - so be it. I will ask if it can be done with local anesthetic rather than general as general anesthetic messes with you more than local.

I have had general anesthetic three times - once as a preschool child to have my tonsils removed - it was ether, I think. The next time, ether again, during the childbirth process of my first child, my dd. That bothered me as I had already gone through all the pain, including an episiotomy without anesthetic, and she was coming out. Why deprived me of being conscious for her actual birth? And the last time about 40 years ago for a d and c following a miscarriage. When I woke up from that I was ready to walk home. So I haven't had any bad experiences with anesthetic.

My grandfather had his gall bladder removed in his 70s. He was very fit and trim. My mother (his dd) had hers removed when she was my age 86. She also was very fit and trim. It certainly isn't a matter of being obese. My father and his sisters never had gall bladders, or appendices removed. I hope I take after them. lol

cw - Your skinny friend with gall bladder issues - there may come a point for her...
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🎼🎵 there's nothing surer, the rich get rich and the poor get poorer🎶(ain't we got fun)
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cwillie, my opinion is the 1%-ers are taking up all the available labor and services because they can and will pay for whatever it takes to get it. This is based on my son's business... he's a specialty mason (building outdoor stone kichens, fireplaces, pool surrounds, etc). He's been on 1 small lakefront house job (multimillion dollar house) for 2 years for a "philanthropist" and she just keeps making up more stuff to add to her project. Now a huge developer wants him to work exclusively for them. This means he won't be doing work for the middle-class (or even upper middle class) clients. This applies to the healthcare industry as well.
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Evamar - my family have been consumers of our health care system since the 70's so I think I've learned a lot of the ins and outs, I think a lot of time the difference between those who get timely treatment and those who wait comes down to your GP's ability to think outside the box and to advocate for their patients. Back in the day my dad died while waiting for coronary bypass surgery, I now know that his doctor could have pushed him to the top of the list if the surgeon had been made aware his angina was no longer stable.
Of course the crisis now due to lack of staff is it's own kind of special h3ll, I don't know how to get around that because all the money in the world can't manufacture enough health care workers.
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My skinny vegetarian friend was plagued with gall stones and she refused any kind of surgery because she's very anti doctor/modern medicine. I assume her natural treatments are working for her 🤷🏻‍♀️
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Andy Warhol was thin! My younger brother is not obese either but he doesn’t have the best diet!

Diet does affect everything! I’m careful with diet because of the heart disease and diabetes in my family.

I like sweets too but only once in awhile. Everything in moderation is best.
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Way2 tired,
I did have quite sweet tooth so who knows? I ate lots of chocolate, some pastries, almost nothing for 2 months.
Thank you MD,
It is reassuring to hear that. I am sure it is simple surgery, but that is my rational side, fear is not.
As I was googling lots while sick, interesting fact Andy Warhol died of gallbladder surgery. But, as discovered he was in poor health.
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Evamar, I’m sorry you are having this problem . You eat healthy and it still happened. Some things run in families as well . Or you could just be one of those random cases. Like you said though , probably most of us have stones as we get older and don’t even know it.
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Need: Prayers for your brother. Kidney stones are very painful. I've had my share of them.
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Way2tired,
Good point. I just assumed by not looking closer removing gallstones is done somehow different.
Llama,
Thank you. Feeling so much better.
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Evamar: Glad that you are feeling better now.
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Evamar , I just did a little googling as well about removal of gallstones. What I found was it said in most cases, it’s no more difficult to remove the gallbladder than it is to remove just the stones , and the surgical risks are the same. So I guess the thought process is once and done, since reoccurrence of stones is frequent .

Good luck . My mother had hers done in her late 70’s . She did great .
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