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Sharynmarie, I truly believe that when one door closes another opens, just trust that everything will work out for the best, it really usually does, it is our holding onto things, our expectations, that make us uncomfortable, embrace the change, can't get something new if you too busy holding onto the old. Acceptance is the answer to all of our problems, least that is what I have found, and I have been through more changes than carters got pills.
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Madeaa~Thank you!! I talked with sis about mom's situation, we are going to put mom on a list for next available room w/private bath not near an exit. We will go in and decorate it more homey for her before they move her. She won't let us decorate it because that makes it too permanent for her.

As far as sis's job goes, she has talked with the person next in line as the office manager is out until next week. This person told sis she is not aware of any plans regarding her. Sis is very stressed right now because she will be done with the 10 cartons next Tuesday. As far as how this affects me, I foresee my sister having to sell her house (health issues for her), and moving to Kentucky to be near her daughters for support. I can't take care of my sis...diabetic stage 4, and other health issues when I am taking care of mom,plus a husband who is diabetic and recently had a stroke. How this will effect mom's care, I don't know since sis is the primary on mom's DPOA and executor on her trust. Mom made no inclusions for her to be paid out her trust for the time spent taking care of her or otherwise. I do not want to deal with the financial end of mom's estate...I would hire a CPA or other to take care of that for me because I suck at paperwork. I can handle her medical issues with no problems...so far. I do believe the reason her employer demoted her is because she was no making lots of mistakes and very slow due to her health She admitted to me she was making mistakes. I have already told her I can't take care of her. Yes, as one door closes another opens and sis will have to accept her options. Hugs to you!!
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Why do the holidays have to expose even more dysfunction in our already dysfunctional families? Just fast forward to December 26, PLEASE!! Just skip through or hibernate through the next 5 weeks. Good night all!
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gladimhere,

My theory is that Thanksgiving and Christmas are stressful times filled with many expectations plus family members gathering together.

Dysfunctional families do not handle stress very well just like a dysfunctional individual does not.

Heightened times of stress seems to bring out the worse or trigger the worse of dysfunctional family systems. I may be wrong, but this is what comes to mind in light of observing dysfunctional families over the years.
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Cmagnum you are definitely not wrong there. And to add to the fun, some people like to clear the air with a blazing family row, while others can't bear conflict and suffer from the festering stress for months afterwards… i.e. until the next family gathering, when they bring it all back to add fuel to the flames.

Anybody got a solution to this?! Because the holidays are on their way...
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When I used to celebrate the holidays, I found it so disappointing, especially xmas. They never gave me the gifts that I wanted, or fitted for me and my interests. Think nerdy. think books (a gift certificate to the local bookstore would have been wonderful.) And there was definitely competition among the family on who got the most gifts, the best gifts, the expensive gifts, etc..... My niece - under the federal program - always scrounged up very cheap gifts for the kids. Needless to say, her gifts were not desired. She was so embarrassed to give it. I told her that it's the thought that counts (but in my head, I knew that it really wasn't.)

I just wanted to let you know that a client sent to us by email about a website called Spokeo. I typed in my name - nothing. I typed my 2 sisters and my brother's name and got hits. It showed their name, their home address, their age, phone number and even a Map of their House location! If you want more info, you can pay - and they will give you their marital status, occupation, and where they now and all their previous addresses. I even saw both of my sisters' property value! No Privacy! I strongly recommend that you all go to that website and see if your name is there. If it is, try to get the site to take it down. Dangerous to have all that info - a Map to your house!!!! If you're living by yourself! Dangerous.....
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Hi Book, there are more website just like Spokeo, all you have to do is google a search for someone and you get a websites offering the information for a fee, i.e, Intelligus, zabasearch etc. It is public domain info they collect.
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Book there is no privacy anymore-when my mom died I was trying to locate her obit and I got into a site for a background checking what the heck. Shary make it very clear to your sis you will not take care of her also-you have more than your share to do now with your mom and hubby-let her kids jump in and help-stand your ground -you heart is big but enough is enough. Book I refuse to get crazy about Christmas give few gifts-just to kids and grandkids and my honey-Christ is the reason for the season-I do not even decorate-avoid the stores-send few cards and around here people gouble down thanksgiving dinner and hit the stores-some stores are closing on Thanksgiving around here and I will go to some of them and say thank you for being sane.
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country mouse,

Thanks. One thing for sure, you can't adopt the role of peacemaker or messiah in a dysfunctional family to "fix it" or you will get crucified. The best you can do it to detach with love so that their emotions don't become your emotions. They might think you being strange by not getting out of control like they do, but you're the one being normal and modeling good, healthy emotional boundaries. Also, have some excuses for why you have to go somewhere for those emotional overload times and you just need a break. I like going for a walk or going back to the hotel room for a nap. Staying in a hotel when visiting relatives provides a safe place to escape, and tends to make a healthier visit than actually staying in their house.
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Sharynmarie,

This conversation you had with you sister about the dogs, I so don't like it when people use some small moment as here your mom was having a bit of fun, and now sister has to be a kill joy! It's too bad she can't look at this as, at least your mom can still have the endurance and it gives her some kind of fun away from the ALF.

My husband many times will make statements, not like this.....but in his line of work. If he's heard someone else got hired for his job, he says something like,
"Oh, they should have called me." I for some years never said anything to the contrary about these statements. But I have more recently, such as...."you should be grateful, for the opportunities you've been given," which he has. But do you notice that people who think like this, they'd rather look for the negative, such as they don't have, didn't get......it really amounts to they lack. So they become whiners! I so don't like it, when it starts to become too much of a pity party.
Draining!

I completely agree with Austin, that you stand your ground with her about her future. She's like my sister, a complete piece of work!

Much Love & Light! Margeaux
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Bookluvr,

Probably many people have felt different feelings about the gifts they've received.
It can provoke as in your case the gifts weren't the right ones, as in people don't really know who you are, hence they don't get a gift that is more in line with who you are. But this is also when the expectations come into play.

It's interesting also, that in families the whole idea about Christmas has become based upon some bogus status related to the gifts people exchange. How childish many people have become. This is not a nice attitude towards your niece, either.
At least she tries, even in her circumstances.
I used to get inexpensive gifts also for all my nieces and nephews when they were kids. I had eight of them, plus a few other people on my list back in those days, so that's what I could afford, and if they didn't like it, well tough! But this has always been something very superficial about the holidays that I no longer participate in.

I'm a believer that the thought does count for a lot, rather than the market value of the gift.

Much Love & Light! Margeaux
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Gee, whiz, Madeaa, and here I thought I was safe when I couldn't find my name in Spokeo! I made a mistake somewhere on my online orders, and I found my name. I traced it back to the website - and saw the teeny tiny print to "click" here for privacy. One down and one more to go. Sorry, I'm just so paranoid about having my private info displayed worldwide - just for the asking (for a fee.)

As for the holidays, we did our best to keep the "traditions" going. But, when you have a dysfunctional family, it does tend to "liven" up the place. Embarrassing when you have non-family there to witness it all. I just like the holidays for the food.

Hotels are great to stay in - instead of at the relative's home. You get up, have your morning cup of coffee before meeting the gang. Then you also have an excuse to leave the home to go back to the hotel. This way, you're not up all night talking.

Country Mouse, I tend to take my book every where I go. When the family starts to get "boring" as in "same old, same old", I pull out my book and just read. When they ask me a question (to choose who is right), I always give them this blank, distracted look. After they try to explain it to me several times (making sure I have a puzzled face), I say in frustration, "Whatever! I'm not listening, I'm reading my book."
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Margeaux, when i used to celebrate xmas, over 23 years ago, I loved xmas! I would go to the flea markets and buy stuff for the family. I knew what each sibling liked, and I bought accordingly. I gave my sis-in-law some very colorful glass wares in Unusual Shapes. And some very unique porcelain decorations when I was a teenager. Can you believe it, she still has it in her cabinet! That is like 30 years ago! I asked if she's willing to give me some of the stuff I bought for her xmas gifts, she said very emphatically NO! Wow, they are very pretty unique pieces.

As for my niece, I Knew that was all that she could afford. But also know how my other family is like, too. Imagine niece's $10 gift compared to those expensive $200-some digital games. I don't even know the names of those games. PS-something... My other teenage nieces thanked her and said how pretty the costume jewelry is. Atleast they were brought up to show appreciation.

Margeaux, you made me giggle when you said "expectations come into play." I am so bookish, when my ex-bf got me a red heart balloon, a box of chocolates and a rose for valentine, I was soooo disappointed. I smiled and thanked him. But I would soooo much have preferred books or costume jewelry. (Unfortunately, he was the jealous type. He kept trying to get me to tone down my attire. He would never buy me jewelry that would cause guys to look at me. Ha! I may have been timid but I wasn't going to go in public looking dowdy. sigh... we clashed a lot. Hence the "ex." )
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I have to agree about gifting....I, many years ago became disgusted with the hype and commercialism of the holiday. I have never been to a black Friday sale and never want to...and they keep starting em earlier n earlier everyyear. I do buy gifts, mostly for the kids, but the adults I prefer to make something, like a nice cookie/treat tray etc..... and yes It is so stressful, getting together with the crazy family! Hotel is a great idea but It was a miracle to get thru the afternoon without a disturbance of some sort!
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Book- I understand what you are saying about the gifts tho....I remember one Xmas my then BF received some shirts from his mother (A very dysfunctional relationship-she walked away from her two sons n marriage when they were under 5yo, and never really had a relationship with him, they were raised by their dad 100%) anyway he was a big guy....6'5" 240+ and she had bought him some dress shirts from a discount outlet like Ross or Marshalls. He thanked her of course but when we got home he tossed them at me and sed go return these for me please....when I inquired why...he said they are way to small never will fit and if she even knew me she would know I have to get my dress shirts at the big n tall store, I saw that hurt n disappointment he felt.
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I think we our AC family should share ideas to keep the craziness out of the holidays-me I am only sending cards to far away friends that I will not see during the holidays and only giving gifts to my kids and grandkids and my honey and my daughter's husband and making cookies for friends in nursing homes and AL's my gift to some who do not drive are to take them to see friends in nursing homes and using my spate time to make laperobs to donate to people I do not know to brighten up their life. I would love other ideas
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I am a widow and I was caretaker for both MIL and FIL. FIL died recently and I am glad. It sounds awful but he had tons of baggage, badly abused my husband when young etc etc. Even though he is dead, I am still angry at him for all the above and for the neglectful way he handled his estate. I'm having trouble letting go of the anger. Everybody is giving their condolences etc and saying how wonderful he was...........
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The only gift I want is peace,
I do not care about those things
it is the people, I want to see.

I hope it will be distraction free,
for all of us.
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Yes, lewentanon, peace from all the family doings! That is the only way for me.
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Maria - that's hard to take, all the platitudes and compliments about the late lamented (or not so lamented, in your FIL's case) when you know for a fact he was a right $*&!!*%*!. Nod and smile, keep your dignity until the funeral is over. Then you can spit where you like...
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I was thankful at my husband's memorial service no one said how nice he was-he was not- so that made it easier for me but others have said how nice he was I just let it go and do not respond-of course he could put on an act for others but the fact no one he worked with came to his service or even called me said a lot.
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My wish for Christmas is acceptance from family members are clannish and so exculsive within their own blood line they can see the worth of people who marry into their family.
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I have tried posting 3 times now and have been blown off the site...Later!!
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Shary AC does get gliches from time to time
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Well thru another week and things are looking up....guess I had a little mini meltdown brewing here for a while and blew up again. But it made me get of my pity pot! Having a nasty cold all week didn't help, I get so tired of every day routine,and then being sick on top of it. Well i called my bff and we talked for hours and i feel much better. I also took a baby step in area's that have held a great deal of pain and fear for me (therefore i ignore them). that alone i think really helped. to face the fear and deal with it, put a feather in my cap!!!

I do need to get a plan together for the holidays tho, it is a time that makes me feel disconnected not having any family. Actually that is a lot of my disconnect in general....i came to realize thinking about this. I have always felt disconnected or that i didn't fit in because of the lack of family....and especially children...it was never my choice not to have children, i wanted to, it just didn't happen. And as age and time go by that one really bothers me (BTW i turned 50 in October and that wasn't a good moment for me as i was under so much stress it got to me, it seems to be a milestone of sorts for me) anyway....how did this happen? what is the reason for this??? oh I ramble on here....
but my point is that i do need to prepare for the holidays

Austin, i love the idea of doing something for the folks in a ALF/NH....Usually i bake bake bake, but we have no kitchen, or money for that matter, maybe me n mom could just go an visit and sing carols or whatever.
Well thanks for letting me vent this week again, it was therapeutic for me, feeling much more positive and motivated, i had been stuck and frustrated again for a bit!!!!
Hope you all have a wonderful day and weekend!
Peace,
Juju
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This is difficult to hear about a deceased who wasn't nice during their life time, then one has to hear the nice comments about them.

The reason I came to this thread, going on three years now, was because of a narcissistic aunt. She was mom's older sister. My sister the main caregiver had her hands more than full, then also mom. She was horrible, truth be told.
She did everything from abuse to my sister, her daughters, me, the caregivers.
After she passed one of the paid CG's confessed to my sister, that on one occassion as she was trying to brush our aunt's hair, she pulled the brush out of the CG's hand, and hit her on the head with it. She also caused so much division w/in the family by first favoring, our brother "golden boy," with mother being her accomplice. He had POA, and was spending their money. But later, she got into a fight w/him, revoked it, and it was handed over to my sister.

But about a year just before she died, she was already trying to divide again, by bad mouthing my sister to our youngest brother. He's been the fence squatter in terms of being involved in family squabbles, and caregiving. But while the threat of POA, being handed over to him.....there seemed to suddenly be some tension between my sister and him. Obviously, he was believing some of whatever it was our aunt was saying about my sister. She made my sister think that POA had been revoked, meanwhile she was living there in mom's home w/my sister, being cared for by her, etc. and getting all her needs met. Thank the cosmos, that the attorney who handled the matter, messed up, and never filed it properly.

But when she passed......I was totally insensed by the fact that I come into the funeral parlor. I sat way up front next to mom, and my siblings. I looked straight ahead, to look at the open casket. I was shocked to see the inscription on the inside of the lid of the casket an inscription which read, "Mother."
I mean my real mother, was sitting right next to me, so this really felt like a slap in the face. Now this apparently, was no sloppy mistake from the funeral parlor, either. I tried asking my sister what this was about a month after the burial.
My sister explained to me, that when she and my two brothers went to plan the funeral, there weren't many caskets to choose from. She also said that if we wanted one w/o that inscription we would have to wait, like they would have had to order it. I didn't believe this explanation, really had the gut instinct my sister was lying to me. But this really drove home the point to me, HOW DYSFUNCTIONAL, my siblings really are!!!!!!!! Especially my sister! She who for the last 2.5 yrs. had called me daily w/complaints about our aunt, and now to think they'd succumb to sick idea by putting, "Mother," on the casket.

So I do understand what terrible feelings and emotions this has got to stir up, in many of us. Many tines too.....I just feel that people just say stupidity because they have a need to say something, something many times very far from the truth!

Much Love & Light! Margeaux
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My mother has told me (her only child) all my life that she had me to "take care of her in her old age. She is now 96. I think she has gotten there, but she still treats me at 60 as if I were 6. I am married with 3 kids and 3 grandkids , one of whom I have full custody of, who is now 8. I spent the last year five driving hours away from my husband and grandson, in order to take care of her and her sister, my aunt who is developing dementia. Mom bought a house near me a couple years ago so I could take care of her but now refuses to move in. She is throwing a fit because I told her I was willing to take care of her near me but not willing to move in with her. My husband has a good job here, my grandson is in a great school, we own our home, etc. She moved home to take care of her mother when I was 5 and my dad lived and worked several hours away and came on weekends. Grandma had cancer and was only supposed to live 6 months. She lived 12 years. I am glad I had my grandmother but I am not willing to put my grandson through what I went through. Mom tells me I don't "value family" enough and tries to guilt me into coming back. My stand is I am ready and willing to care for her in her new house but I will not sacrifice my husband and grandchild and my future to her. She has Macular degeneration and cannot see well but won't move because she "has to take care" of her 91 year old sister with dememntia. My middle son is there trying to help but he can only do so much. Dad is ready and willing to move, Mom wont budge. I am at my wits end.
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I do miss the holidays when we had 15-16 family members here. My favorite part of the holidays (Thanksgiving and Christmas), is when we all sit down to eat dinner. Having everyone around the table talking and enjoying each others company.

We keep things simple, it is only 4 of us now. I do make the traditional turkey dinner with all the sides. As far as gifts go, with our son and daughter, we send them gift cards...it is just easier since they live far away. Our daughter's birthday is Monday, her hubby bought her a portable sewing machine...we got her a gift card for JoAnns Crafts and Fabrics.

A co-worker of mine, she has a brunch at her house...puts on a whole spread of food and serves mimosa. She feels that since her children are married, they should be making their own traditions within their immediate families and by having a brunch, they are free to see in-laws and do their own thing the rest of the day.
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Hello all :-) I'm new here. I've come here to share and read stories like these. I just found this forum today and really like the support and courage everyone has here. I was un-nerved by some evens today, and after reading these posts I was able to relax more and find some humor that takes away the panic attacks that arise in me. I don't know where to start...I've been living with my parents since 2008. My mom has a lot of health issues, and my dad can only do so much every day with her. I'm the back up anytime he needs it. I'm also the live in first responder. My sister contantly tries to find ways to involve everyone in her Psycosis craziness. A better way to describe her would be the "evil incarnate" that's sucks the life and joy out of everyone and tries to bring everyone with her in her downward spiral. She plays the emotional blackmail all the time with my parents. She lives 3 thousand miles away "thank the higher forces" but still tries so hard to make everyone as miserable as her and then gets a kick out of it. I haven't spoken to her in over two years but she still calls to scream and yell at my mom and dad, or be really, really nice when she wants something. Then when she gets it from my dad it's right back to attacking everyone and saying horrify things on social media. We all have a computer or tablets and have seen some of the most outragouse stories she tells everyone. But we stopped looking and blocked. Same with the phone. If dad isn't up to a new crisis with her, he shuts it of. If he doesn't call her back she started to leave messages that she would call social services if he doesn't. I started to get so upset a frustrated with the way she treats my parents. I started having horrible panic attacks. I try not to get my parents all frenzied up in one too. My mom can't handle talking to her. She puts my mom into respiratory distress. (my mom has end stage COPD and is on oxygen 24/7 and zanax to keep her calm. She's had a very abusive childhood.) So we ignore the "side show of doom" and just try to make the best of life for mom and dad. So now she wants to call Social Services in, and after reading some posts here, I'm saying "Yes! Please do" She used and evil menacing voice to say it too. My dad and I found humor in her threating voice. Not all days are easy. some just make it hard to sleep at all. But stepping back and seeing the whole picture and using my energy on what's more important gives me and my parents a better quality of life. I try my best to do this everyday. Thank you for this forum. I look forward to more sharing on this topic. :-)
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Hi LastResort and LEHaven, welcome!
LastResort – I'm so glad that you are making your family come first. With the economy suffering, I would not even think of quitting and relocating. Your mom has a perfectly good house that she can move in but refuses. If she continues to worsen, you may feel obligated (or not) to bring her into your home. I strongly do not recommend this. If she has income, there are other options like Assisted Living and similar housing for the elderlies. Worse case scenario, she can sell her new home to pay for her new home, Assisted Living. When a parent moves in, they expect to be catered completely above your spouse, children and your life. So beware of the Guilt the parents try to impart. Thank goodness that there are always Alternate options other than having a parent move in!

LEHaven, with your sister threatening Social Service, they will be obligated to interview you all. I've read here where this has happened with several of the posters. It's a tedious procedure. And every time it happens (same sibling - several times), the Social Service finds Nothing Wrong. Unfortunately, she will continue to haunt you all..until she bleeds you all dry. Even then, she may not believe it and think you're lying.

Are your parents active members of the senior citizen organization in your area? If not,perhaps they can join. There are activities in which the senior citizens go to weekly. In our small island, they go to the free community center (for everyone, even a basketball gym, tennis court, etc..), play bingo, dance, free lunches, etc… This way they get to have new friends and enjoy it.
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