
Many of us, myself included, come from a dysfunctional family which adds a lot of weight to the challenges of caregiving. I have read stores on various threads on other topics and decided it would be good to have a thread just for this topic for people to share, vent and discuss.
The idea for this thread originated on the thread named "The Caregiver....How are YOU doing today?"
Well. Went to tour one NH, and another one on Saturday. Still not getting buy in from Charles and MIL, but I want to have this option nailed down if needed. There is a waiting list at one place, I already went to this one and it looks like it would be good for FIL. The place I am going to on Saturday sounds like it focuses on keeping everyone busy. Not sure that is going to work for FIL, he will not be playing bingo or going on outings to restaurants. Although you never know, he might surprise me.
Hello to all, hope things are more peaceful today...
Thanks for listening,
Christine
And all of you thank you for everything you do for your loved ones and tjose others you care for. Yes, Ladee, even Cujo! We are all doing great jobs of it! Give yourselves a pat on the back! (And a raise, if only it were that easy!)
camaryllis- Good luck finding the right one. Its good your able to still have some time to research them! Your right you never know, hopefully he will play Bingo or something!
gladimhere- Your welcome :) And welcome to my family! Isnt something how people connect from all over the world here, helping each other, seeking support and we rely on each other more then anyone else it seems? I love you all here too, and am very happy I found this site. Well, looks like you all are stuck with me!!! Thank you too glad for your support!
The dog has to go to the Vet because she is 10 months, spayed and has "peed" on herself while lying down, twice. Its as if she didnt notice she did it, and when I ask her what happened, poor puppy looks sad and down. I never yelled at her, just asked. She is potty trained, so its not that. Anyways, my dad is blowing up mad because I now have to be with grandpa and he doesnt want the other dog alone because he goes crazy when his sister isnt here. I mean, he really gets all bent out of shape, jumping the dog gate and piece furn I have to block him from other rooms!
I feel I owe grandfather even more now that he promises to leave the house to us. If I tell him no when its just cleaning and he already hired the girl, I still feel I can never tell him no. IDK what to do.He got upset that I would be at his house at the old time of 8:30 instead of 6:30pm!!! Just so I can attempt to clean my home!!! Well, most of the time he doesnt need me, and he has a phone to call me, neighbors in an emergency. I have the P.E. uniforms my son needs somewhere in a box in the shed that my daughter "passed" down that I have to sort through before Monday!!! School is Monday and they are graded on P.E. Uniforms!! I dont have the money to just go buy more either. Oh P.E. clothes are unisex and was what my daughter wore a couple years a go so I packed it knowing by son would fit it this year. So another reason I needed to be here! I wonder, how is this going to work when Im asking dad or son to go down in place of me ( acting as if Id be at work) and they get a little upset! Whats going to happen when I am at work? Grandpa probably yell at me Im not there for him, but under same breath hes happy Im working uggh!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, anyways, yes, Im going to gpas early, he wins for tonight because I had no get up with pep to clean here when I have to do what I have to do 2morrow. Am I going to try to get out of it? Yes, flat out tell him I cant move furn and pics, and fragile figurines! I really am clumsy lol, I LOVE PLASTIC EVERYTHING! I collect plastic cups and swear by the plates too haha. Ok a bit of subject but true!!!!
Well, sleep well everyone!!!!!
1. You don't owe anybody anything. Let's get that straight. Promising property is easy to do. Following through is something else entirely. If he's serious about that, it needs to be done now to make his estate probate a lot easier! I'm not there and didn't hear anything in person, but I'm terribly jaded by nature. The promise of a house later if you do everything exactly like I want now seems like manipulation to me. If the paperwork doesn't back up what he's saying, don't count on a house. There will be nothing you can do about it after the fact.
Even so, you are within your rights to set boundaries on that relationship and the work you are able to do. If you aren't enough, then that's too darn bad. Stop saddling yourself with unnecessary obligation to the detriment of yourself and your life.
2. When I got saddled with my mom's care, I had a chat back at the ranch. I gathered my darling family members up and explained that I have a new and never before seen level of responsibility on my shoulders. As a result, "thangs be changin up in here!" You're all going to have more chores, more responsibility too, and I know you can rise to the occasion. My left boot will help you if you need it.
To offset that, it's important to spend time with the kids. Probably more important than anything else, even Grandpa. I was kind of MIA for a few months, and my young teens started acting up, being snots, and pretty mouthy. They really missed me and needed me to be around more. So, mom didn't get me "on tap" anymore and she started acting up, being a snot and really mouthy. Turning out nice young people was more important to me than trying to keep mom satisfied (not possible).
List out your priorities. Post them on your mirror. Post them at work. Put them in your pocket. And then stick to them. Life sucks when it's out of balance. When other people demand more than they can get out of you, well, their upset feelings are their problem.
When I went to work yesterday, I checked the schedule for next week. I am scheduled to have Mon/Tues off and work the rest of the week. Because the dept manager is on a mini vacay for 5 days and won't be back until next Tuesday, she was not there. I told a co-worker this is not going to work, I am leaving for Idaho on the 14th. I asked the dpet manager last week if I was going to get my vacay and she said it should be ok. My co-worker said to com line the assist store manager right now, tell him you have non refundable tickets to Idaho and the dept manager told you last week it should be ok. I did, he said we will work something out. We changed the schedule around with the assist store manager's approval...however, they still need a closer for next Sunday. Our dept manager can deal with that when she comes back on Tuesday.
It really is a shame to cause extra upset with people due to your own oversights but it seems to be notorious for this store. Then a customer comes in around 2pm, said his buddy's mother just passed away and people would be coming to the house within the hour. I said you want party trays...here are our trays and the sizes and prices. He picked out 6 different party trays. We started to work on them...the customer asked...will you have them done in about an hour? "A" told him yes about an hour because we still have to help other customers that approach the deli.He looked at me and winking,saying in about an hour...I said yes!. He had already passed the remark to "Y" that "A" did not seem very on board with this..."Y" said, oh "A" is just like that nothing personal. After the customer left, "A" said, and if you pressure me to go faster, I will just go slower and see how you like that. Really??? This man's buddy's mother just died have some compassion...not to mention capitalism and a plus for our dept for giving great customer service to a customer going thru a painful situation. "Y" made excuses for her...she doesn't do will with people. Ok...I get that...when I was "A" age, I was the same way...but I was held accountable for it, hurt very badly in order to wake me up and force me to grow as a human being.. No one wants to do that today. What do you all think about that??
sandwich42plus-Thank you, I know, Im not counting on it and still planning well was to save once Im working for a used mobile home or similar, Idk what Im doing anymore. I list priorities and it goes to the shredder. I went out today because my dad wanted me to go, we fought all the way to the dog store and back because I am just done, didnt want to go and wanted to get started cleaning here, I couldnt even finish my shower because I had to talk to grandpa when he called. I hate going out, I hate trying to put on a show of smiles and talks to people,they see it in my face when I walk in, I try I do I just cant. I want to be by myself no calls, no company, no in public. Im so drained and its non stop he$$ of arguing if I dont jump for everyone. I dont work, but I need to otherwise I cant pay bills and I can lose my kids, but I have no time to work, and now, its to the point I dont want to be around people.. I love talking to people and strangers..well, I used to. I jump on everyone even if its just one word of"hello". Im trying to be here for others but Im finding it harder and harder everyday. How can I offer help when I cant help myself?
Im sorry you had such a hard time with your family as well, the kids understand a little but not fully, glad you were able to get them back to where they were, of course you had to handle your mom.
sharynmarie- Hopefully everything works out for you, enjoy that vacation! I know people have to follow rules on the orders but under certain circumstance, not everyone things ahead because their mind is so cloudy, I know that all to well. Its nice of you to help him out!
He can be tough...very serious.
Anyways grandpa was upset and telling me you should be done down there you can do your stuff later you cant have that much I need my windows done now.. oh my god whats wrong with you etc"! A call an hr later, he told this to my dad( I explained previously my house what and where I need to look for the clothes and etc my son is acting up I just cant!!!! )Well Im loudly saying I have lost it!!! Im not in the mental state to be near anyone, I cant do this .... someone can fix your lunch and dinner like dad, neighbors ...I can clean windows later tonight in the background while hes telling that to my dad. Honestly I dont want to go down tonight... I dont want to be home either...My kids wont help with anything.......dad cant physically but is now trying because I cant.. I cant touch anything Im shaking.. Imy mind slips and I cant finish whatever it was,, I have to stop ... my mind is fried... I get up and leave my room and I start feeling sick.. Im so upset.. Im so done ...I look at everything to do around.. waiting for the phone to ring and get yelled at... well, I get yelled at here too, and yes hit by my son. Isnt it something, I get beat up by my son!! If he doesnt hit me, he throws things.. anything at me...all of us. Remember I told you all he was violent.
Grandpa keeps calling for me to help ask questions omg I just want to be alone from everyone! Im sure thats how u all feel with me too being on here several times a day.. Im not allowed to go anywhere ..Im in hel$... or prison or something. My son again hates me, wished I was dead again, I really lost it and told him one day he will get his wish and hopefully that will make him and everyone happy........
Im so sorry Im really sorry.. Its something how I came here to see what I wasn't doing for my grandpa , what else I can do for him, as well as my dad ..to now its all about me, all about how I cant balance anything..cant fix anything.. Im sorry its either all in my head or this is my real life?
I've been reading about the ADD, etc.
I recently saw some information on one of the news channels, and educationally speaking some experts were questioning the traditional method of education used in most countries. One person stated that there was a growing question about the validity, and even the benefit of putting young children through pressures of tests, and so much homework, as it relates to a beneficial learning environment for kids.
My sister and me have always suspected that golden boy, our brother could have ADD. He was super hyper as a kid, and didn't know how to follow things to their conclusion. This I'm sure was attributable by possibly the wrong messages sent to him, by both our parents of being a little leader w/in our family, he being the oldest boy. Of course this whole idea never served me, in any way, since truth be told, I had to be thee most responsible one; I was the eldest sibling.
I applaud all of you, who have dedicated time, and have become advocates for your children who were affected by ADD, ADHD.
Much Love & Light! Margeaux
karan - is it time to look at alternatives for yourself. it sounds like you are in a very stressful and negative environment. Maybe your social worker can help.
vjohnson -I am so sorry about your situation. "Who says things like that to their child?" Many of us can identify with that. it is a good idea to check Medicaid and also va benefits. Maybe approach your local agency on aging and also social services to see what resources are available. Yes. you need to get a job.
cm and renea - good advice
me -I don't know where to start. You can say No to your grandfather and to others. Like sandwich, I think that unless he has set up something in writing about the house going to you, he is just using it to manipulate you. Beware the FOG - fear, obligation and guilt. You sound like you are in continual stress and that will, if anything, make your kids worse, as they are living in chaos. You really have way too much on your plate, and are letting others run your life. There was some one else on this site whose father wanted her to live with him to give her kids a nice home and neighbourhood, and so she could look after him. It was h*ll on wheels for her and her kids. Finally she moved out. I can't remember what arrangements were made for her father's care, but she was much, much happier in her own home, even though it was smaller. Just because your grandfather doesn't want to hire someone else, doesn't mean you are obligated to look after him. Your kids need a good routine, less stress and you available to help them with their pribllems. sandwich it sounds like you had that routine down pat
Sandwich - well put!!!! I so agree "When other people demand more than they can get out of you, well, their upset feelings are their problem" Actually other people's feelings are always their problem and not yours/ours.
Loo -I am not surprised that you can log a lot of time. I feel that I put in a lot too, whether it is simply searching online for washable outfits that fit her and that she will wear (hopefully), or dealing with various financial/business matters , or trips there or etc. It is not just time, but money too. Then there is even mail that has been erroneously redirected here for her which belongs to someone else. I need to do something about that. And with limited energy, I wonder why I don't get my own stuff done.
Christine -good for you. Would Charles and/or mil buy in better of the doctor was firm about it?
glad - I think of you as a pillar of strength and a very well organised lady. I have no doubt you are doing an excellent job, even in the face of the opposition you get from your narc sis.
Sharyn -sounds like you work with some immature people. Hope your vacay time off doesn't cause any more problems. I know you are going to go anyway
Marg - your bro probably is ADHD. That can get lost in a dysf home. Good observations. It is a tremendous amount of work, but it has paid off. Kids with these problems must have the support of their parents or at least one parent. A wise psychologist once said to me "Let them know that you love them". I am still working on that.
new developments with mother a new post for that I think
Fruit flies are proliferating here - didn't get the garbage out in time. I set up my fruit fly traps and they .are working well.
We may get mother moved by Christmas, God willing. I really hope it doesn't stretch out into Jan and Feb with the extreme cold which makes everything harder.
Sharon - the due date is coming soon!!! Exciting!!!
Have a good week everyone - do something good for you. Think I will get my hair done this week. At least that does not take much energy. (((((hugs)))) to all.
I told my aunt about the friend, that it is NONE of her business or anybody else's who is in my house! Also told her that I had heard this lots before so I was very prepped for her comment! The gall of some people! And I also told her my sisters are doing themselves a terrible disservice because all their bit##ing and moaning is actually helping to motivate me to continue to care for Mom to the best of my ability. I will get this done, at least until I cannot any longer. And I will be DA**ED if sisters will have anything to do with MY decision of when I can't do this any more! I always was contrary that way. :/
I understand.
"A" complained to the store manager about some things that I have not been taking care of at night. However one the things I do every night which is bleach out the white cutting boards. I had the center store manager sign off on all the violations that "A" complained about...but I told him she and "Y" do the same thing. Tomorrow, I will let it be known that I am tired of cleaning out salad debris from the raw chicken sink which is a sanitation violation....I am tired of spending 15-20 min of my time every night clean the salad debris out of the other sinks,.....this is why we have a very large strainer/colander so the opener can rinse the salad bowls in the colander to collect all the salad debris so it does not collect in the drain. She refuses to follow procedure on several issues but I have ignored it because we are under staffed. However, if she wants to mess with me, I will start calling her out on every single one of them and reporting. I really hate these be-atches....drama makers who think they own the department and don't have to answer for anything. I know I am probably trying to win a losing battle since the two have joined forces...I will just start putting in for a transfer every single week.
Document, document, document...EVERYTHING!
emjo23- Thank you and I see what your saying, as well as sharing the story of the OP who got away from it. It gives me courage like the OP I also read with 6 kids here, and is married, I say I can too and when it comes time, I dont. My son was actually born with the waking up 4 times a night and at 1 1/2 old he really started his ways, every year worsened. I was always with him except for school. But, since I have gone down nights -12 hour nights and for a month or so all day.. recently, yes, both my kids were making comments I was gone, wasnt there etc. So the days I have cut back dramatically esp since they are out of school and night well,is the same. My grandpa is upset because I want to only be there about 9-10hrs a night and lunch and dinner (for now until job then just dinner) and a little more times on weekends or whenever days off if job....so I can help my kids get ready in the am, h.w. at night and lil time with them. I have kids school and scout functions coming up and hes upset...but yet.. says hes fine lone hes just lonely. We got neighbors who can check on him call and or go by swapping off, my dad too every hour for a min at least. Oh well, he wont. Im glad your mom isnt giving a hard time about the injections. Hopefully it all works out and 102 is awesome, but I agree with you that she should have more care. I dont like fruit flies either, or flies! We used to use that long strip sticky thing hanging from the ceiling but they wouldn't go on it! Plus it leaked!
sharynmarie- I wish you luck and enjoy!
gladimhere- so, we share an Aunt? My Aunt also says who can be in my home although Im an adult! Good luck!!!
Hope you all have some moments of peace and productivity this week :)
I am very grateful I am on my own and Mom is busy with others today.
You are NOT powerless in all this. You are just passive. I'm not saying be aggressive. I am saying that you don't have to be the Cinderella here.
Just because the phone rings does not mean you have to answer it. Just because somebody asks/demands does not mean they get it right this second. Just because you are surrounded by people who seem very selfish does not mean you have to continue catering to it.
They have been trained through years of experience that they can push you around. You are going to have to retrain them and it might take time.
Learn to say NO and mean it. Stop answering the ___ ____ phone for one. Unplug it from the wall if you have to. Stop being a slave to everyone else. Clearly they are able to make priorities and have them met because you are helping meet those priorities to your own detriment. You have to stop feeding this situation you hate.
Your son is acting out because he is not getting his mom and he needs his mom. This situation has gone south and you are going to have to make some drastic changes to turn it around. List your priorities and work that list.
I would pull your son aside, outside the house, maybe go to the park or something and talk. Tell him you are upset at how this situation is. Tell him you love him, and that you want to make it better. Ask him how he might be able to help. He might have some great ideas. Try to reconnect with him without anybody else around. And stay connected. Try to have a set time each week just the two of you go do something, even if it's just walk around the block.
Listen to him and don't take anything he says personally. Really listen without judgement. (It's really hard!)
It's probably hard NOT to lose your temper at this point, but try to really watch that. Expect your boundaries to be a big flop with everyone who ran them over in the past. Expect them to try to make it like it has always been. Stay calm, stay calm, stay calm. And after that, stay calm some more. Losing it puts you on the same level as them.
If you're stopping your shower for other people's needs, then the first problem I would work on is inside yourself. I have had the phone brought to me in the shower, on the toilet, etc. and I educated that person VERY CLEARLY that was to NEVER happen again. Lock the bathroom door. Lay it out in very plain words that the next person who interrupts your bathroom time is going to lose an arm. If they keep handing you the phone in the shower, hang it up, put the phone down, and keep showering.
It was 11:00 in the morning and there she sat, in a wet Depends and a PJ top eating her 9:00 a.m. breakfast tray. I wouldn't dream of yelling at staff for this situation because I know how she is. She has always been contrary and bossy to the point of stupidity. If she's supposed to get up, eat, and take her pills, she will act like a three year old over it and practically hold her breath to get her way. So to prove her point to everybody, she had refused to get up, dress, put on dry Depends, and eat her ___ breakfast when normal people do those things. I guess she really showed us....*eye roll* All the staff I ran into told me they had been trying to get her up & dressed. I said "good luck with that!" The head nurse said that mom had been up and dressed once last Thursday. I'm sure she wanted to add "raising h_ll all over the place" but was too polite. Honestly it's better for everybody if mom stays in her room.
This is how she lived in NC in her house. In the dark, no schedule, no sense of hygiene. A giant pile of over-ripe, near rotting apples by her side. All the comforts of home.
I got the recitation of all the things supposedly stolen (that aren't missing). I got the list of everything she hates about her room mate (who is a very sweet lady). I also got the want list of things she doesn't have room for that I'm not going to bring back.
Mom is so paranoid that she thinks all the other patients she sees on the unit are there due to the things staff have done to them - not their advanced illnesses & dementia. Everybody there would be perfect if the staff hadn't made them like they are. OR...this is great. OR everybody else there is faking it to be fussed over. There's nothing wrong with them at all and they are faking it so they can get the orderlies to look at their naked butt. ('Cause you know how much 25 year old men want to see an old lady's incontinent butt. I hear it's very popular.) When she said that, I heard my son snort and laugh out in the hallway, and say something like "GR-OSS!"
She keeps trying to get me to leave money with her and I won't do it. She says she owes people money. For what? Who knows - she can't say. She just does and I shouldn't question it. I asked her if she'd started betting on the horses at her age and she just looked mad. (Mom's so Baptist she won't even play Monopoly because it might lead to gambling.)
I went to look in her drawers and closet cubby, and got yelled at for "plundering". Ha. If I had a dollar for every time in my life I got yelled at for that, I'd be rich. It's amazing. The difference is that now, I just ignore her. Yell away. I am plundering like a Pirate! Look at me touching everything! *touch touch touch*
I guess as far as visits go, it could have been worse. It's a pity her grandkids had to see her like that. She didn't care one bit that her 15 year old grandson and 13 year old grand daughter caught her in her wet smelly underpants and a PJ top. No shame whatsoever. I told the kids they could go in the hall and wait. This doesn't need to be the reason they end up in therapy later.
How long has she been there? I know some on this site have recently placed their loved ones, but I sure cannot remember who.