
Many of us, myself included, come from a dysfunctional family which adds a lot of weight to the challenges of caregiving. I have read stores on various threads on other topics and decided it would be good to have a thread just for this topic for people to share, vent and discuss.
The idea for this thread originated on the thread named "The Caregiver....How are YOU doing today?"
Sorry I gave you a headache Book, Lol!! Stream tongs and all...at least we got a good laugh, it sure helped relieve some of my stress!!
As to the situation with your sis. Boy do I get it!!!! I have the brother out of town that thinks he should control everything since we both have POA. I'm actually the primary, but he's a selfish, pig headed pain in my rear. He's clueless about what goes on day to day with mom, and thinks I'm lying to him when I tell him things. He calls her maybe once every week or two, and she tells him she's great and that there's nothing wrong with her. He's coming to visit on the 7th of March, and I'm dreading it. He's going to her neuro appt. with us. Should be very interesting. The doc has suggested AL several times, but little brother can't "wrap his head around it". All he cares about is the money. Even mom's CG understands that she is at the point where she needs continuous supervision, and being in an environment where there's more people than just her, or my husband and I. It's too expensive to bring in more help for the evenings and weekends, and mom doesn't think she needs the care giver she has, let alone bringing someone else into the picture. We'll see what happens......
It sounds as if you have had more than some challenges going on with your own family, with regards to the care of your parents and your siblings absence. In our case w/our mother, we just up to a year ago which was until her narcissistic sister died, couldn't focus entirely upon mother, as her sister was living there. She had so many ailments, and towards the end could hardly walk.
My sister works a full-time job, so several years ago when both mom's and our aunt's medical conditions escalated, she had to hire outside help. We have two brothers, (but they never get their hands dirty) in any of the care. I, who do not have any of the legal powers, especially MPOA, and I live far from mother's, in a metropolitan city. Anyway, it does take some planning on my part for a variety of reasons, when I am able to visit. I also work.
I credit my sister with the great job she has done with both the administration of the caregiving, and the caregiving itself, picking up the slack when CG's aren't there. We do have fair communication in terms of what she tells me about our mom. But I am dealing with a controller here also.. When I've wanted to know about some of the medications in the past that mom is taking, I have been up against plenty of resistance. I wanted to know this of course, because my sister would tell me of all the sleeping mom has been doing, etc. Anyway, when she was telling me of mother mixing her up with a friend, well, o,k., I understand all of we the family becoming concerned, and wondering about the change in mom. But....you don't know how many times I have suggested, forwarded some websites so that she could educate herself about the stages of ALZ. Some of this is big ego on my sisters part also; she in her mind always knows better than thou," etc. If you have read some older posts of mine, you may see, that my sister runs on high emotion and lots of drama. So I do have my own methods of circumventing some of this behavior, so we don't get stuck in that. I try my best to look at our situation, with an attitude, of hopefully knowing what may come and be somewhat prepared for the changes. Much Love & Light! Margeaux
Sharyn, Austin said it better than what I was trying to say. You definitely don't want to keep saying no when the boss text/call you. But you also don't want to Always available...hence the subterfuge of being at mom's and then you can tell your boss that you can't come in because .... If it didn't go against my conscience and if I was a good liar (nieces tell me that I'm a terrible liar), I would just lie may way through like all my fellow coworkers...
Hi Imm897! I smiled when you said that we tend to fall back to our childhood ways of reacting to each other. I don't think we ever outgrew that. At least, so far, my siblings have absolutely no desire to help out with the parents. I have used the words "what goes around comes around" as a mantra for years now. But we're not as bad as situation as what I've read here. Oh my, some siblings go after what they want thru the court, etc....
Today, when she called I could hear my step-dad in the background saying to someone that I had put my mother in the nursing home. Nope, her surgeon sent her there for rehab following surgery for her broken hip. What I normally do in this case is promise mom that I will call someone in the nursing home and let them know she wants to go home. I do call, but I call the social worker who each time goes and has a talk with my mother which calms her down. I told her about my step-dad today and asked she go to mom's room soon so that she could explain to him how my mom ended up there and who put her in there. However, I doubt this will make any real difference with him. How frustrating!
I also couldn't help thinking of Emjo's situation with her mom. It got to the point that she had to distance herself for her sanity. You haven't reached that stage but I can hear the frustration. Like you said, it's not going to make a difference at all. Unfortunately step father and mom still believe that they are "healthy" and can take care of each other. Nobody will be able to persuade them otherwise (even if they're bedridden and can't move their left side - they know better than anyone or the physical therapist..talking about my father). Maybe someone reading your words, experienced what you're going thru, might be able to give you some pointers that worked for them. Just hang in there because it sure ain't going to stop!! You take care, Cmag....
Wow, it is in the mid 70's here today. I wish I stay home and do some yard work.
Take care.
Sharyn, you are right and that is basically what I do plus call the social worker. Sounds like you have nice weather there. It is too cold here to get yard work done, plus I don't feel like doing yard work anyhow. I think I might pay someone to do it this year.
Yes today was a beautiful sunny warm day. March is really unpredictable here because it will bounce back and forth on into April before our weather takes on a more spring like season. My roses are growing like crazy and I need to prune them back.If you hire a yard service, make sure they are willing to prune shrubs and roses even if you have to pay them more for it because we have some services here that only want to come in once a week to mow the lawn and nothing more.
This is a very good observation that you've made about the "new normal," after an elder has had an illness. I completely agree with you. Mom had some bad acid reflux, which I think she has had for years, even before she was diagnosed with the ALZ. This last year after her sister died, I don't know if it was becoming aggravated a few mos. after that loss for mom. But also, her main caregiver was cooking some heavy foods, with too much spice in it. It used to make me quite annoyed, when this lady would not comply with requests by my sister and me to cut back on this kind of food for mom. Also, there are some people who equate giving people more food, as to quantity, and many seniors can no longer digest as much food, because they don't get as much exercise either.
This same caregiver has been there at mom's for over 3 years now. She doesn't seem to follow my sister's instructions, and has become IMO, too comfortable in her position there as a caregiver. She used to spend the night, which I guess she finally was getting burned out from. So she told my sister, that she could no longer do this. My sister has had various problems with her since, like not being on time for work, and the caregiver basically doing what she wants, instead of what needs to be done. But I know sister is very reluctant to just let her go, since mom is bonded with her.So I do understand this part of the decisions my sister has to call. But apparently, my sister is also having to take what she has coming to her, (floating days off), from work. On these days in the past, she still had this caregiver come in. But my sister claims that the caregiver told her at the very last minute on Thurs., that she couldn't make it Fri., morning because she was going to the dentist. Now my sister can accommodate this, given the caregiver gives her adequate notice. She did not. So this caregiver had the nerve to suggest to my sister that she call one of the other CG's, for that morning, then she'd show up in the afternoon. My sister told her, not to bother to come in, that she had that day off anyway. I'm afraid that this CG, better start to consider the flexibility sis has shown her. Oh and speaking of excuses, or the church explanations, this CG uses this all the time, as to why she can't make it at other times during the week.
This must be difficult, Dabs the situation you have going on w/your brother.
We had this previously, also w/a brother who definitely behaved in pig headed fashion. During those years, he was completely in charge. The greed was definitely at the forefront. But since it had to do w/the Living Trusts of both mom and her sister, once the two elderly women's health took a dramatic turn, and our brother was being negligent about their needs, our narcissistic aunt changed the POA's to my sister and youngest brother. But I'm familiar w/a relative of this caliber, who is really only has their own agenda. While this brother had the power, he used to keep the rest of us in the dark about many very important matters.
O.K., Dabs, we'll be doing the same thing this weekend. I'm going to relieve my sister. I hope you have a great weekend with your mom, as I plan to with mine. Also, I'll be thinking about you with this upcoming appointment,
Much Love & Light! Margeaux
I was re-reading posts. Yes, I have to say that I was getting the same impression about Sharyn's supervisor. Actually, you took the words right out of my mouth, about," walking the walk, instead of the talk." The main caregiver at mom's does this. She has all of these sayings of the religious nature, but then she does and says things that raises people's eyebrows.
Well, I will find out this weekend how mom is doing. As I wrote to Dabs, I'm hoping she's having those awake days, that my sister says she is now having.
She told me the other day, that this is becoming a pattern, so we'll see.
How is your mom doing, Emjo. I hope she is being calm.
Much Love & Light! Margeaux
I was wondering, was it you, who had posted that you had Hospice experience?
Margeaux
She has a daughter who lives in the same town, but never offers any assistance, nor even visits when she's had these procedures done. The daughter sends her husband, (who is very busy), and he's a very nice man. Needless to say my neighbor doesn't have a good relationship w/the daughter.
So after the procedure, she again as the first one wanted me to stop at a local store and asked me to get her some wine. Pre-op instructions for the procedure were that she not have alcohol, nor aspirins because of blood thinning. She takes high blood pressure meds. Anyway, I walked her into her house as she needed the assistance, and left. A few hours later, one of her friends who also helps her was visiting her. So I again stopped in to see if she needed anything, dinner, as she has to stay off that leg. They were having a glass of wine, and invited me, but I declined. I did sit there awhile and visited. So at some point, my neighbor said it was 6:30. I then said that I had to go. My neighbor then went into this dialogue to her friend, about how I had to go home, because I had to cook dinner for my husband. First of all, this really annoyed me, because she's done this before. I so do not like it when one person says something to another person about you, and you are right there in their presence. I didn't appreciate it either that my neighbor says I have to do anything. I immediately got up, and somewhat corrected her, about her comment stating that this isn't the only reason I was leaving; I have other things to do. But anyway, I was wondering, have any of you had a person like my neighbor who IMO, is bitter about relationships and uses situations like this to project negative feelings upon people? Am I being too sensitive, or are my feelings correct? I'm not sure how much wine she'd had before I dropped by for the visit, but she had at least two big glasses while I was there. Anyway, I felt somewhat embarrassed by this comment in front of her friend also.
So after that which was yesterday, I didn't see the neighbor all day.
During the evening I decided to do my walk around the block for some exercise.
I was on my second lap, and who do I see coming towards me from the other end? My neighbor! We said hello, I asking how her leg was. I then asked her where she was coming from, and she replied the liquor store. I know she must have had a bottle of wine inside her purse, because that's where she puts it.
Actually, she looked kind of like she'd just eaten a canary, when I asked her where she was coming from. Anyway, she continued on home, and continued my walk. Margeaux
So, I don't know what you can do about your neighbor...guess just go with your gut instincts. Sounds to me like you are a very good friend so it must be terribly hard for you to see her abusing her health. That's how I feel about my friend, too.
When I do call my friend, she tells me not to harp on her...gets very upset if I say anythng about drinking. She has been like a sister to me for all of her 62 years. It really hurts to see her drink herself to death.
Maybe I'm off topic but it seems to me your neighbors drinking wine is up to them, and more than likely their comments about you needing to leave were nothing but excuses for them to have an other glass of wine. If you want to end the friendship, that's your right but how would you feel about it?
Bonnie
OK... I have mom here for the weekend, now that her insensitive out of town guests are gone. Poor thing was so tired last night. After dinner she rummaged around in her room for awhile "looking for things", then came out to watch TV. She sat in the comfy chair with her feet up, and fell asleep within minutes. I didn't have the heart to wake her to get her into bed, but had to give her meds anyhow. She looked so "small" to me sitting there with her head bent over like a little kid, and snoring like a freight train. It makes my heart hurt....
The dreadful visit from my idiot brother is coming up this week. He gets into town on Thursday afternoon. I had mentioned before that he's going with me to mom's appt. on Friday with her ALZ doc. I don't know why I let the little s**t get to me like he does. I know his game, his controlling nature, and his money grubbing attitude, and yet I always feel like an incompetent when he's around. For crying out loud, I've got 2 bachelor's degrees, and a masters, have had a very satisfying professional life, and know so much more about Mom's situation than he could ever dream of knowing, or for that matter, wanting to know. I just feel like I'm going to end up between a rock and a hard place again when he's here scrutinizing everything, and Mom makes her huge effort to fake her way thru his visit. Oh yes, she'll use her walker, and do whatever he tells her to do, including taking her meds without a fuss. She'll exhaust herself trying to convince him that's she's fine. He's so out of the loop that he hasn't got a clue what her day to day behavior is like. I can only imagine what the visit to the doc will be like. He'll second guess the doc just like he second guesses me. Mom's doc is one of the best Neuro guys in the South East. He runs the Carolina's Memory Center, and is one of the best in the field. He actually worked on the research when Aricept and Namenda were being launched. I've known him for years.... I worked closely with him both when I was with Hospice, and when I was working in long term care (AL and ALZ care), and have total respect for him.
My brother thinks he's going to bring his over opinionated wife to the appt. too. NO WAY!!! My husband isn't going(he thinks it should be just my brother and I) and I certainly don't need her there making things even more difficult. Mom is going to have a hard enough time with him and I being there. She doesn't even know he's coming to visit yet. If she knew she'd be totally psycho all week. During his last visit he called a "family meeting" and insisted that her very close friend/neighbor and her CG be there. He acted like he was running one of his corporate meetings. He totally intimidated both the neighbor and the CG. The care giver tells him what she thinks he wants to hear, because she's afraid he'll cut her loose. If it weren't for her I don't know where things would be with mom. Problem is that she is so attached to mom that if we do decide to move her to AL she'll be devastated, not to mention she'll loose her job. For the past 2 months now she's been telling me how much mom is changing and that her mind is really going south, then this past several days she's been telling me how she thinks mom is doing pretty good, and that she thinks it would be too hard on mom to move. Between little jerk brother not wanting to spend the money, and not being able to "wrap his head around it", and the CG wanting to keep her job, I know that once again I'll be the bad guy.
Yikes, I've gone on and on. Sorry. I'll try to stay up on posts over the next few days. In the meantime tight hugs to all.
susan - how are things going in your house? You said you had a very tough day.
dabsmom - I am gkad the visitors are gone Your brother in coming in a matter of days. I do hope he gets "clued in" during the neurologist;s visit and just being ariund your mum more. Glad you could take in a basketball tournament - a littke "normal". Your sis does not want to mover into the world of technology! I think your atittude towards accep[ting one;s limitati9ns (we all have them) is very healthy.
margeaux - hope your visit goes well
imm897 - I do appreciate what you wrote. No matter how you strugggle you can't remove yourself from family dysfunction, I have reached a point of detaching from several family members - my mother, my sister and now my daughter - all of whom have characteristics if narcissism. I am convinced it is genetic in my family. yes, we hope to grow, but it does have a price. We do not come out of thus unscarred.
austin - good to see you - you may be right that the boss will move on to someone else - hopefully
book - why don't you celebrate holidays any more? I think you are right - don't accept all requests for overtime, and don't refuse all.
book thanks for thinking of me. It is not a nice situation, I have had to distance/detach from my mum and my sister, and now it has happened with my daughter, who in my view is seriously depressed. I have written her about making arrangements to see my grandchildren as I do not feel free to drop in (with a phone call first of course) as i used to anymore, and she has not answered me - so I am now in the postion of not being able to make arrangements to see my grandchildren. It doesn't feel good. I have had a very good relationship with my grandkids, and I guess I have to wait till they grow up and can make their own decisions, unless my daughter comes out of this "mood" before that. I have to say it is bothering me. Or I coud just drop over as I used to and take what comes from my daughter. Last time I called she didn't answer the phone and I know she was home.
A beautiful sunny day sounds nice. We have had some good weather, but that here means the snow is melting. Thankfully Gary does the garden so I don't have to worry about it, but can do as much as I feel like. We wonlt garden here of another 2 months, as the ground stays frozen.
margeaux - it does sound like things with the caregiver have gotten out of hand. I hope you are managing well this weekend. You will have a better idea of how your mum is with spending time with her. I really dislike it when people spout things and then do not follow through, or even behave the opposite. Re my mum - I have heard nothing from her since I laid down the law about no more nastiness For those of you who are new, she does not have dementia, but has had Borderline Personality Disorder and narcissism all her life. It has been hard. I think with her is it all or nothing, black or white. her only way of coping with me saying I won't take any more nastiness is to stop writing, as she is incapable of having any kind of normal correspondence. The same is true of my sister, though she can appear quite pleasant for a while, but sooner or later I get slammed and I don't need it any more. My daughter is the same - her way or no way -there is no compromise. I am very sad this weekend about my grandkids. Hard to see your neighbour like that when you are trying to help her, but people who neede to drink will go to great lengths to get it.
welcome Bonnie - sounds like your friend may have gastritis from drinking. I don't know that there is much anyone can do with an addict. Mentioning it to her will not help usually. You may want to go to Alanon or a drug/alcohol agency for information/advice. it is terribly hard to see a loved one self destruct, but they have to "hit bottom" before they decide to change.Talking about ending friendships due to addiction/ unhealthy behaviour, I have some experience with that. I had a girlfriend of some years who was taking drugs. I had that confirmed by a household member. I knew she had a source. She had MS and was admitted to hospital. I called her doctor and told him, and he believed me. They "dried" her out and, of course, when she left hospital she returned to them. Eventually, I dropped the relationship as it was too hard on me. She would call - in a drug fog -with stories etc, and I could not carry on like that. Honestly, as much as I appreciated the friendship at the beginning, I have no regrets about this. As far as I know she is still using. One has to go through a grieving process, as I am with the women in my family, as it hurts when there is a long or a lifetime relationship, but in the end we all have took after ourselves. I find the stress from these people is too hard on me, Be sure that you cannot change anyone else - only yourself.
dabsmom -I lost it a long time ago and i don't think I want it back! Join the crowd.Glad your mum is gettting some sleep. I know what you mean about her looking so small - my mum looks more that way sometimes too. Stick to your guns as to who is going to the appointment. I know what you mean about controlling people who try to make you feel like and idiot or like a monster. Sounds like you have an excellent neurologist. Glad you are seeing through your bro and the CG. Manipulators - so sick of that. Go on and on all you like!
Just feeling sad here about my daughter and my grandkids. She is estranged from my middle son and his wife, and now she is estranged from me. Her husband is a decent guy, but under her thumb I think. I just have to pray about it and I appreciate any prayers from those of you who do. As well, she doesn't want to hear anything about mother. When ever the ALF has informed me that mother has gone to hospital, I have told my daughter, as she has been the one of my children in most contact with mother, and if anything happened to me someone else needs to know. I will ask my son up here if he will take that responsibility. I believe that at least 2 family members should have that information. My sister lives over seas, so it has to be someone here.
Wishing everyone a good day and some relief from the craziness. G and I go on a short business trip next week to BC. I am hoping it will help get me out of this "cabin fever" or maybe SAD. A change should be good. Friday, I had a 4 hours coffee with an ex student - a middle aged lady with whom I have things in common. It was great and we will meet again. This is a very young city - average age was 25 some years ago, so it is nice to know someone in the same stage, a few years pre retirement, as we are. I feel for you Bonnie - it is not easy to find friends.
(((((((hugs)))))) and blessings to all Joan