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sandwich - wondering how things are. Your mum sounded in bad shape. Update us when you can.

ocd - sharyn and standing alone and last resort said it well, and as book says we need to undo the damage - there is no chance of that while you are in close quarters with her. Your mother needs professional help. She needs to go to a facility that deals with mental health issues. Then you still have a role which is to visit and advocate for her. The job you have now it too big for any of us and even at a distance, I find that is stresses me to the limit. A psychologist, Pauline Boss, wrote that when you have been abused as a child it is not advisable to do hands on caregiving, but to arrange for others to do it - to be humane to your parent, but to do yourself no further harm. This is harming you and is no good for your child. He is being exposed to the abuse that you were subjected to and still are. You need to get your mother out of your home and into professional care. There is a reason that you are here - and that is to survive and get healthy. Many (((((((hugs))))))) I hope you will take the suggested steps to help yourself and your mother. In any case keep in touch. Your friend is a good one.

Sharyn - re prayer. For me it is to give the outcome to God. I pray as I see fit, then have to "let go and let God" and trust that He knows best even if I do not understand it. There is a lot of cancer around, and heart disease. They are the two major killers of our times. Re ignorant people, I have had to examine myself and I decided that I am doing well, no matter what others think. I have worked through, for the most part, that what others, who have not walked in my shoes, think of me is of much less importance than what I think of myself. Does it hurt when I get an "ignorant" comment. Yes, it does for a bit, but it does not shake my self esteem as it once did. I just remind myself that they do not have a clue. It has taken time to get to where I am. To quote Adam Clayton Powell, "I've paid my dues" - and then some and so have you. You are a full fledged member of the human race and entitled to your opinions and your ways of doing things, without the judgement of others. I usually avoid people who suggest that things are not as they would do them. I haven't had any direct critical comments, but I think they would get an earful if I got any - or at least a heartfelt, "You have no idea!"

book - You should do MORE????? I am dumbfounded. Whoa. That person deserves a smack on the head to waken them up to reality. Yes, we need to undo and honour ourselves for the good people we are. The more we do that the easier it gets and the healthier we get. Oldest bro needs two smacks on the head!
going to continue in another post before I mess this one up. I seem to be doing better this morning
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Emjo,
This is definitely a very challenging time with respect to the decisions you are making for your mom. I remember when dad was receiving his cancer treatments, and we the family were so accustomed to him being very strong, physically. He was a total garden hobbyist and was so good at that. So my brothers who were not very involved at all with his caregiving, nor lived close....were the ones who Iwould say things like, "Dad is so strong, almost as if he was going to live forever." I remember one of the last times I would see dad outside on his knees on a pillow, weeding his garden. He could no longer be out there on bare knees at 84, doing something that mos. before he could do without using that pillow. It made me sad on the one hand, but it made me very aware of his condition and the progression which was taking place. It was a reality moment for me!
When we age, no matter our previous stamina of being strong, the human body does deteriorate at some point and thats just a fact of life.
Remember too....that there is a mind and body connection in everyone's health.
She could be strong as you have known her all of your life, then I'm aware for someone like this, also has had the history of always getting their way on different levels......but there will probably come a day, when even your mother will start showing signs of not being even so physically strong anymore. Maybe not either, hopefully it will be a peaceful transition.

Our aunt the battle ax was like this towards the end of her life. She was very ill,
with congenital heart disease and a host of other related health ailments.
Since my sister was caregiving......and when the battle axe's behavior became so intolerable towards the end.....my sister would complain to me daily. She would hold out this argument that my aunt, despite her physical condition was going to be around a long time, given her strong will. I finally told her, that I didn't think this the case at all. This is how it went after that, too.

I know you are being guided in your decisions, so keep on trusting.
She's going into another level...and thereby the care is going to be different.
So don't doubt your decisions.
You and your's are in my thoughts!
Hugs, Much Love & Light! Margeaux
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Others are mentioning that their posts are disappearing. Mine are too so I am left with the impression that it must be a web site issue rather than our personal computers.
I have also noticed that I am frequently asked to log on again when I have checked the "remember me" box.
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Sharyn you are not alone. People here really do understand and genuinely want to help you. everyone sends you their love and prayers. if we could we would be at your door carrying caseroles and offers of respite but we can only listen. So keep talking to us and rember we do not judge - whatever you feel is right you will find support. Time is now to take action, you are young and strong you can do it.Blessings.
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Ok, I was in mid rant when it dissappeared, emjo I guess I've got your "ghost" in my machine too. I was saying that my mom seemed to be a saint. Everyone told me they wished they had my mom. I wished they had her too... OCD, been there, YOU have value no matter what anyone else thinks...(now if I could just believe that myself...) was suicidal one year and my family ws told so by my therapist. Their reaction? My family who never had a gun in the house borrowed a pistol from my uncle "to scare off the cayotes" (SP) Now they had lived in that house since 1932, it was now 1972, never needed to scare them before or since... but they kept that pistol in its oak case my uncle had made open and laying on the coffee table in the living room all summer. Yeah, my security blanket was a razor blade, but my shrink told me "Don't let the bastards get you down, then they win." I tell you the same. Repeat it every morning, and as needed throughout the day. Your mom needs help, WAY beyond what you can give. Mental care has improved dramatically in my lifetime (I made it to 60). The meds can do wonders. it is no longer the world of "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest". There are compasionate and caring mental health professionals out there. When we are at our worst, like your mom, we don't realize how badly we need them until someone loves us enough to step in and get us the care we don't think we need. Be brave, do what you both need and get her the help she needs, and get yourself what you need. Hang in there, we are praying for you.
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SA thank you for what you just said-we know what happened when we were kids and how we were treated-my Mom thought she was a good mother truth be told in today's world she would have had her kids taken away from her-a 7 yr. old taking care of a baby and at 9 a baby and a toddler and expected to clean and cook and then being told you are bad.
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Amen, Book... :)
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Odc, when you're thinking that way, the devil is laughing. Don't ever let anything in this life break you. You might be on your knees, but you MUST find the will to stand up...again and again and again and again if necessary. Before you harm yourself again, you call 911, have them pick your mom up and then refuse to go and get her. It sounds worse than it is. You can see your mom anytime you like, visit as often as you like...or not. Like Sharyn said, these places aren't torture chambers. Your mom will get good care, you'll make sure of that. If you do that much, you've done enough imo. Sometimes enough is enough and that's that. No one person's well being is more...or less...important than another's. People aren't living energizer bunnies, we can't just keep going and going and going or we'll drop or end up half crazy. When it comes down to the wire, you look out for YOURSELF just as much as you'd look out for anyone. If we let ourselves drown in the caregiver role and break down or die from the stress, who's there for the elderly?

Sharyn, people are ignorant. Just keep that in mind. Unless they've lived what you have they don't know shit and they're talking out their asses. Who cares what people think? YOU know what's up. That's all you need to know. Anyone who judges you too harshly about things they just don't understand aren't worth conversing with in the first place. Blow them off.

People may think I'm evil myself since I 'abandoned' my mom to the state the last 3 months of her life. If they do, I don't want to hear their opinions. I flay myself enough mentally for doing that, necessary as it was at the time. I don't need anybody who's never walked around the block even once in my shoes to tell me a damn thing. Once you realize that those kinds of opinions are toxic and destructive, you'll stop listening to them and they'll stop mattering. Almost like listening to mother talking, isn't it? Yes, you DO deserve a life, a peaceful, joyful life. And you grab it any way you can get it. And leave guilt in the dust. Take care.. *hugs*
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I wish I was a forthright person. If someone told me that, I wish I had the nerve to tell them that until they lived my childhood, and bore the scars physically and emotionally then please keep your judgemental comments to yourself. Even my therapist was surprised that I survived my childhood "intact." So Instead of making judgmental comments to others, why don't you apply it to your life or your future. Who are you to say those words.

Sorry, Sharyn, that hit a nerve. I've had several people tell me that I should do MORE for my mom. This, to the ONE child who stayed home at age 23, gave up her dreams to leave this island and pursue my dreams of traveling around the world. Who has 7 siblings and yet these people had the nerve to Lecture Me!?!!! And just as my parents raised me, I sat there and took it in quietly. I'm a Bad daughter, you know....

What we need to do is to Undo what our parents drummed into us as children. We need to learn to appreciate ourselves, and stand up for ourselves (since no one else will) even though we're terrified inside of contradicting or confronting these people.

Oldest bro of next door, again, brought up if dad has a Will. He wants me to look for it. I ain't no fool....
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Just my rambling thoughts here....
I don't know how people are able to pray continuously for a suffering person. I have found out that I get to emotionally involved and I get very depressed. I continue to pray for sweet Ethen Richardson and his family. Such a sad story. I pray for my niece...that radiation will reduce the size of her tumor so the drs can remove it and give her the opportunity to live a full life. I pray that my sil can hold up with dealing with a second child with inoperable cancer. A customer came in the store 2 days ago, his wife has inoperable pancreatic cancer, and as he was sharing this...another customer who is friends with the first customer, said he has a spot on a chest ex-ray the drs are following up on.Maybe I am just tuned into cancer right now so it appears to be everywhere.

I am venting and am frustrated with the fact that so many people think I am a horrible daughter because I am not caregiving 24/7/365 for my mother. These people refuse to accept the abuse my mother spewed out throughout my life...."You are just a whimp and can't take being disciplined...." While I can detach from all those ignorant beliefs, it still hurts to think that others are not very educated or accepting about other people's situations. There is no manual on how to be a good parent and there is no manual on how to be a good child...unless you want to factor in that YOU as the adult child was brought into this world to caregive for your parents and YOU are not entitled to be married, have children, grandchildren, a marriage, a career or just a simple life. Just my rant for the night. hope it opens some eyes in others and just unloading what has been building up...responses are welcome if you feel inclined to do so.

Hugs to everyone!!
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Sandwich~I do agree that calling an ambulance may be necessary if your mother is getting dehydrated. Is there any chance she may have a UTI as they do cause hallucinations,etc with the elderly? Keep in touch, and hang in there.
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Ocd~If you go back and read about emjo's mother it may help you to understand that when severe mental illness is the issue, a mental hospital is not a torture chamber. They can get your mother stabilized on medications. Once she is stabilized, it would probably be in your mothers best interest that she be placed in a mental facility where they will make sure she gets her medication regularly. This is NOT a cruel action against your mother....it is a gift.

You are too important to want to attempt suicide. This situation is NOT your fault, however, it is out of your control just as it would be for anyone of us in the same situation. Not being able to help/or caregive for your mother does not mean you have failed...it simply means that your mother's issues are bigger than what one person can do.

Please keep in touch with us and on Monday morning call the Area Agency on Aging in your city or county, ask for a social worker. Tell the social worker everything you have told us...they will help you!! Blessings to you and Big HUGS!!
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well i attempted suicide last year because of all the stress and i'm going down the same road again. i feel like im losing my mind. i cant stand taking care of my mother i had her in nursing home for four days and i wasn't at peace they threatened to send her off to mental hospital and i panicked and went and go her. i cant stand her while she is here but worry when she ain't. the thughts that go through my mind are evil i just want it all to end one way or another
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((((sandwich)))) She sounds in pretty bad shape. According to your profile she has a lot of heath issues You may have to call an ambulance. Is it worth calling the hospital and finding out what they think? Here we have a toll free health line for advice. Do you have anything like that?

Has this happened before or is this a sign of some real decline? -her body shutting down?

I read somewhere that you wrote safety over happiness which is what most of us conclude is our priority when it comes to dealing with these very difficult parents. These times of transition are tough.
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Thinking of you and glad she is on the list for a unit where she can be cared for round the clock.
Big (((((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))))))))
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Mom's skipped all her meds (19 now I believe) for a week now, is not eating/drinking, hardly going to the bathroom at all, and sick to her stomach, which reinforces not eating, drinking, or meds in her mind. This will be interesting......

If "interesting" is code for wacked out, space nuts loopy, hallucinating, screaming mee-mee filled days & nights.

She is on the waiting list for a room in the 24/7 assistance unit, but I'm not sure what can be done until then, unless she just gets to be so bad off she has to go to the hospital. *sigh*
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ocd, this is a very safe place to vent!
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Try us!!! We all have had some ugly/crazy thoughts You have way too much to deal with. But, I understand it can be scary. Share a little and see how people react and if you feel safe.

We have suicidal people, people who cut, people who drink, people who have yelled at their parents and worse, people who are afraid they are going to hurt their parent, people who have walked away from their parent...

We have people who were abused by their parents, sexually, verbally and emotionally, who were beaten, neglected, and who continue to suffer verbal and emotional abuse.

Does that list touch on any of it?
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Vent!!! That's what we are here for. We have all had our moments.
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i need to vent but i'm afraid if i share my thought people would have me locked up
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sunny - read pstegman's post. Treatment can be forced on anyone at any age. I think therThe blessing was that she came to the attention of the community geriatric team. I don't know if there is such a team for younger people who are mentally ill.
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Hi Emjo, I'm glad things are still going in the right direction it sounds like. It's so ironic that your mother is paranoid and now she really has some things to be paranoid about! I guess one blessing in her being aged is that treatment for her mental illness can now be forced on her. I often wonder what my mother would have been like if she'd had any treatment during my life so far. I guess that's all hypothetical now. Sending up lots of prayers for the best outcome for you and your mother.
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Everyone - I am obviously hitting some combination of keys to submit. My brain works faster than my fingers which try to keep up and make mistakes - combine that with long neon orange sparkly finger nails and it spells trouble.

Smack me if I do it again. I need to write my posts on a word document and copy and paste and/or shorten the nails. Having the cat hug my mouse pad and rub his whiskers on my hand when I am trying to use the mouse doesn't help either.
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little to do with her since. You need to reclaim your life, by getting the professionals involved, They have the resources to care for your mum - you don't. There is no way an individual or family should be expected to care for a very mentally ill person. Please check with the places I mentioned and also your doctor, and your mother's doctor. Check also with your local Mental Health Association. In any case, keep in touch with us here. Some of us have an idea of what you are going through. It helps even just to vent and find out that you are not alone. more ((((((hugs))))) and prayers
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mother is mentally ill, was living at home with her and creating havoc. She got in touch with social services who took over care of her mother and placed her, and this lady had-s had very lit
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to continue - mother
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Hi ocd - you will find much company here. ((((((((hugs))))) Many of us are survivors of an abusive or at least neglected childhood. Re a placement for your mother - apparently once a senior is hospitalized for whatever, you can refuse to take them home saying that you are not capable of providing the care that they need. Have you contacted your local Agency for Aging and/or Social Services? This is way too much for you to handle. Your mother is very ill. Once in hospital they can only release her to an appropriate placement. There was a lady on here a year or more ago whose mt
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I am not good at all. I have been the caregiver for my mother for two years now. I cant find a nursing home that will take her because of her mental status and i can't find a Psychiatric hospitals that will take her because of her health status. She is a stroke patient with aphasia and also has bipolar schizophrenia. I have been tied down for two years. it would be different if this woman loved me growing up but she was abusive and mean to me made my life miserable and still is i am losing my mind
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Thx pst. That is kind of what I figured. I suspect and hope that mother is at the end of her roller coaster ride. In many ways, she has to be dealt with as a younger person because of her fitness level, though the stress of this could more easily precipitate something serious in her physical health. Mother wants to be in control - always has - part of the personality disorder. I think that is the "forbidden fruit". At some cost to those around her, she has maintained control, but, the paranoia has brought her to a new level of illness and one in which she has lost control. Although their philosophy is to work towards release to the community, she may spend the rest of her days in a mental health facility, possibly a lockup.
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emjo, the AOT is her last chance to cooperate. At the psych center here in Buffalo, the AOT's go to the "cottages". They can leave during the day, but if they fail to return by curfew, if they refuse meds, if they outburst, then they are moved to the main building lockup floors. My sister was in the West Seneca DDSO lockup for a year before she could return to the community. She was in her twenties and that was a long time ago. My neighbor's daughter bounced back and forth from lockup to cottages for many years, until her schizophrenia could no longer be controlled by any meds. Your mother may be at the end of the roller coaster ride. Cognition does not give her the right to make harmful choices. My sister knows caffeine will set her off, but she wants it anyway. We simply don't allow her to have it. Got an MD to order NO CAFFEINE. You are doing a fine job, she's just going after the forbidden fruit.
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again!!!

Just talked to ex and he is anemic - which would explain some of the symptoms. Everything else is in acceptable parameters. Time will tell how much getting his hemoglobin up helps. I know that anemia is a bigger problem in someone with heart disease and can be caused by the heart disease, so it can be a sign that the disease is progressing. I suspect that is the case and not great news then. He sounds very tired.
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