I am 64 and my mother is 82-I recently moved to the area she lives in. She lives by herself in a retirement community. She is selfish, controling and is alway lying. Now she is always been this way but getting worse. I am trying to help her but when I do -she says I need to mind my own business. If I cant go take her someplace she pitches a fit like a 5 year. Please someone give me some advice. I have seen therapists in the past and all told me I needed to divorce her. Not sure I can because of guilt and also thinking about my dad-who died four years ago-he loved her even though she was awful to him. Please what should I do
Ideally it would be better to remove myself out of NM's life, but that's not always an easy thing without dismantling ones life and the people in it.
My other thought is, that although she drives me bananas, without my help at this stage she would not survive with any quality and that's not something I want on my conscience.
So like Libracat, I come here to vent my frustrations knowing that this thread is really my only outlet. A place where its not important about what NM does so much, but that the people who visit this thread and respond, are those who can also relate to the dynamics of this same problem.
I'm sure therapy would benefit us all, as well as NM, and other care-givers and receivers in different roles. It would be nice to free access to such a thing, if only!
So for now I will settle for wanting to support others in similar circumstances, which also helps me overcome my own mind-set.
Cheers
Since finding this site, I have started to heal. I have read many, many posts. If everyone didn't vent and let these things out, others of us may not see what is going on with our own mothers/fathers. We may blame ourselves for things we were not responsible for. This site has helped me start to heal.
Libracat, vent away. When you made the statement about not feeling loved or thinking no one would ever love you, I cried. I can't tell you how this made me feel. I felt this way most of my young adult life. When I look back at photos of my young self and think, why did I think I was ugly, why did I think I wasn't good enough? I now know why.
So keep posting, it helps you, it helps many to read these sad things and realize they are not alone and there is help out there. Take care.
I went back to college at 55, just to take math. Made all A's. Proved to myself i could have done it. My college educated husband told me how sad it was to see me do things he wasn't good at and know what I could have done. He finds my parent's behavior disgusting. We made sure our 3 girls went to college. They did so well. Mom hates it and her response has and until this day always been, "Not everyone is meant to go to college." That, of course, is aimed at me.
Ditto on the boyfriend thing. My daughters have not let one boyfriend get them down too much. They have good self esteem, no whining, no trying to get back together. Just move on and, hey, a new boyfriend is in the picture. I was always devastated when my boyfirend broke up with me because I thought, "If only".....I were prettier, more loveable. I have a really sad and strange story to add to this. I had a boyfriend from 18 - 21, who I loved very much. He would break up with me and go off the college, then come home and we would get back together. I did this for years. Finally, he gave me an engagement ring, for a short while. Then he took it back. My mom asked me where it was while we were doing the dishes, I began to cry and tell her he had, once again broken off with me. Dad comes rushing into the kitchen and yells at me that he better not see me moping around about it. Just horrible to me, made me feel I was to blame. Now that I have daughters, I realize, he was crazy. He should have taken me in his arms and comforted me. That was how things always were with him. Oh and BYW, the boyfriend was gay. Poor guy must have struggled for many years.
If I had a nickel for everytime someone told me, "oh you could have sent yourself to college," I would be rich. But these people do not understand the deep damage done to children of narcissistic parents. Read Malcome Gladwell's book the Outliers. He explains how all the Zuckerbergs, Gates, and other very lucky, gifted people were always given alot of support and help. Good family, schools, oportunities, good timing, etc.
Money was an excuse for everything when I was growing up. Couldn't do anything because it cost money. I felt bad for my parents for years and years. Until I found out they have almost one million dollars. And all is intended for, now only mom's, nursing care. She is a mizer, anything we do, anywhere we go, anything we like, is tooooooo expensive for her. She doesn't have one lady friend to have lunch with because, as she said, she is not picking up the bill for someone else!!!!! Seriously.
Well I am glad she saved all of that money. She's gonna need it. :)
I am a believer that unless you live it, you can't really, really understand it. You just need the path to get out of it.
My concerns for Libracat stem from the fact that she has her mom in her home. She still has to live it face to face on a 24/7 basis.
I can relate to many things you have mentioned, not everything because I didn't have all of the experiences you have had. Enough, however, to feel exactly how many of you have felt in some situations.
My heart goes out to all of you and I wish you love and peace. I have more to share, maybe later. Hugs, Cattails
Madge....I imagine you must be very proud of your later achievements. Keep up the good work.
golfgirl....never feel you have to apologise for speaking your mind and putting your heart out on your sleeve. If anyone has a problem with it then the onus is on them to feel the way they do, not on you. As I said above, it's your willingness to vent that has given me the heads-up on how to deal with my NM.
Cheers
I always find that when we refuse to budge from a situation, even if it's for our own good, the ole universe always seems to oblige and delivers a big kick in the rear to help us on our screaming way. As is the case with my NM.
I begged her to allow me to take her to re-establish with a new doctor this long weekend, because it was the only time I had to deal with it. I never liked NM"s dr anyway and was always trying to talk her into finding a new one. The universe took care of that while she's been bed-ridden and her doctor up and left her practice.Typically though, NM dug in her heels and refused to budge from the bed that she somehow believes the hospital told her she has to stay in till her broken arm mends 8wks or so weeks down the track.
Why would she want to get motivated while she is on tap with g'ment carers fussing each day over her? Friends & daughter/s ringing, calling in with food and doing her bidding. Her neighbour volunteering as her meals-on-wheels.
So in comes the home visit doctor I had arranged for last night because she won't take a trip to a new doctor to get scripts filled. My anger & frustration at not being able to push through to her that she must start moving off the bed was unexpectedly backed up by the doctor who was horrified to see her still in the same spot he had left her 7 weeks earlier. I could barely hold back my laughter while the dr chastised her like a naughty child for still being in the bed. He told her the same things I have said over and over and stated that he doubted the hospital doctors had ever told her she had to lie in the bed till her arm was mended. That if she didnt get up and exercise she will surely die with blood clots to her legs. I showed the doctor out the door with a quiet word in his ear about her rebuffing my attempts to get her out of bed and to go establish a new doctor. He stated he could see exactly what she was doing and he won't be able to help her anymore. LOL.
It also horrifies me that she emphatically refuses to move from the bed long enough to allow me to change the sheets she's been lying on for 7wks. I also imagine her temporary carers must have given up trying. So now whenever I end up arguing with her about the sheets, I just let it go. After all, its not me wallowing in bed-bugs and dirt. If that's what she wants, then so be it. I also will not be in a panic to find some time to take her to a new doctor. If she can't care enough to do it in my time then she will have to wait till I can find some more again.
It sounds cruel, I know, but God helps those who help themselves and I'm learning to detach from fretting over it all now.
Hoping this will help others here.
Cheers
Another nail in my coffin today, Father's Day of all days, but maybe that was her point.......
Daughters and son-in-law over, a nice day planned, pizza dinner and making an effort with this leg of mine to try to have a family day for my husband. (I lost my dad in 1988 - he was only 62; my mother was always jealous of our relationship and rapport and spent every day plotting
her passive-aggressive strategies against him.)
I asked my son-in-law if he would be seeing his own mother today, for he is also a father. My daughter (his wife) pipes up and says, Probably, for his mother misses her own husband who passed away less than ten years ago.
Suddenly in jumps my mother with the comment: "Well I don't miss him and I'm not sorry."
We all sat there in a stunned silence, trying to figure out who on earth she was referring to.....but my daughters clued in instantly. I thought she had gotten confused about who we were talking about - I always try to give the benefit of the doubt especially to someone who is nearly 87 - but again, I fell for it, hook line & sinker.
I said, oh you must be mistaken, we are talking about my son-in-law's father, but she says, no I got it right the first time, I was talking about your father and he was a "rotter".
Daughter with Asperger's says, what's a rotter. The other one stood up to her and said Grandma, I don't appreciate those comments, that's my grandfather who is no longer with us that you are talking about, and you need to be more sensitive and considerate of other people's feelings. My husband said to her, he was a very nice man (naturally that comment went right in one ear and out the other.) She ignored him.
Of course, now that she had dropped the bomb and brought all the focus back on herself in her entitlement to express her own unneccessary opinion of my Dad, she sits back and stuffs her face with pizza and apple pie and enjoying the drama she has created. My son-in-law kept quiet in his embarrassment.
Two seconds later she is off to the next subject - whether the pie should be heated up or not.......
The message here, I believe is two-fold: I will take any opportunity I can to slag your father because he was so bad and I will save it for family gatherings for the most shock value; and
don't underestimate me, even at this age I am still capable of sabotaging any event you might work so hard to plan because I can't be pleased, and don't dare think you will have any power because I can still cut your heart to shreds with one sentence.
All she is doing is succeeding in making me hate her even more.
I loved what you said.......yes, exactly, it is the nerve and always has been and the gall to ruin things that gets in my craw, plus the attitude of her thinking she can get away with it - never mind how hurtful the comments are.
Just for the record - my dad was NOT a bad guy, he had everything going for him and was very well-liked, prestigious and successful and she hated every moment of that. I really don't understand in retrospect why he just didn't get the hell out, but I suppose in those days it would have looked like he was a quitter and a bad guy......but we would've all been better for it if he had.
Guess I'll be doing a lot of "tapping" in the upcoming days and weeks!! Thank you for some good advice.
Don't ever let them move in with you. If they can't make it on their own, then it's time for AL or a senior facility like the one Lisa's mom is in. You know, it might not be a bad idea to do some research on those types of places in your area. Could be a waiting list and you might want to get them on it early.
Hugs and love, Cattails
Prayers for all dealing with this.
(((((hugs)))))
Joan
She complained so much about him to his own family doctor (!) that he had to be admitted to the hospital and I can't even tell you what they did to him in there.....when I went to see him he was a changed person. The level of glee to which she operated at home during his hospitalization was completely evil.
Finally he turned to the bottle as his escape and then things really escalated. His punishment became even more severe and so did his acting out, but all this time, she put a good "face" out there to everyone in the neighborhood.
Three incidents already this morning (I've only been up for an hour) that started the day off real nice: she screwed up on taking her pills and the one for tonight was missing. She says, "somebody else must have taken it". Ok........
Then one of my crutches falls down on the kitchen floor and I can't reach it. She's too lazy to pick it up and just leaves it there, then tries to step over it and trips on it. I said, wouldn't it have been easier to pick it up instead of risking a fall over it? Get this -- "I thought that's where you wanted it" OMG..........
Last but not least, she's in the dining room on the way to her room with her huge bowl of cereal and proceeds to spill milk all over one of the chair seats. When I asked her what happened, she tells me that "the cat was in my way and my bowl tilted" The cat was in the KITCHEN when this happened!!
WHY is it easier for them to lie and deny and avoid accepting responsibility for what they have done that they know is wrong? Because their narcissism makes them believe that they are beyond wrong-doing and accepting the blame for anything!!
On my mother's 80th birthday, I asked her why, if my Dad was such a monster, didn't she just take us and go. I gently suggested that that would have been the right thing to do so that we three could have had a better chance at life. Not only would she not discuss it, she just said that it was all his fault and that she had done nothing wrong.
At this age, I now realize that I owe my father a huge dosage of forgiveness (even though he's passed) for all the hate I harbored for him during my growing - up years. I can totally see now that she drove him to madness and in effect, was completely responsible for his death. It was his only escape, it seems.