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I can totally relate to you; I just ordered a book by Dr. Karyl McBride Ph.D.
Will I Ever Be Good Enough?: Healing the Daughters of Narcissistic Mothers... and let me tell you Dr. McBride gets it! I recommend you pick it up and read it...

it will help with everything that you’re going through and will give you the hope and sanity you need, best of luck !
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vinman31 Oct 2019
Thank you - I greatly appreciate your reply and the recommendation. I hope the book helps you find peace of mind.
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First up, I had a bit of giggle at your reference to Livia Soprano. I absolutely adore the Sopranos. But yes , she was a toxic old bat and I'm deeply sorry that you have to endure such misery. I'm in my 50 also. and my father though not as bad, is still a nightmare in his own right. It upsets my husband terribly that I'm badly affected and that my siblings are treated like s**t.
So I'm extremely empathetic to you, who appears to be doing it much worse.
Be strong. I hope it will be over soon.
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I'm almost 47 dealing with exactly the same situation. I also feel like I've died and maybe this is really hell. If I leave she can't support herself, if I stay, I'll probably die of a broken heart. I sense that we are both loving and caring women. It's sad our lives turned into this. Fighting with her even as I write this. Ugh, I'm so sad and wish these kind of creatures didn't walk the earth. Just because they gave birth to us doesn't mean anything. My favorite grocery cashier gives me more love and compassion then my wretched mother. Sad. So sad.
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Daughterof1930 Jan 2020
I’m sorry for your pain and misery. I truly hope you’ll gather the courage to change your life. There’s no world where you are responsible for your mother financially, most especially a mother who isn’t capable of being kind to you. She absolutely will be taken care of if you choose to move away and make your own life. It may not be in the manner she’s come to expect or even demand, but she won’t be on the streets or in any danger. Life is too short to live as miserably as you describe but only you can change it. Your mother isn’t capable of change, except to get worse. The control of this lies with you, please don’t let fear, obligation, or guilt control your life. You’ve done your best for your mom, now do your best for you. I wish you the best
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Taking care of your mother doesn't mean that you have to live with her, this is not a rational thought process, you, like everyone else... you need a life of your own, living with your mother will not allow this to happen.

These death bed promises are so ridiculous, as nothing in life remains constant, it either gets better or worse and you are entitled to change your mind.
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If your parent is a narcissist it will most likely get worse. Your promise to your father can be met be finding another caregiver. I am including a link to a video I found because my mother was severe narcissist and I grew up with no wants or feelings of my own and the belief that I was evil and "the world hated people like me". Distance makes a psuedo relation ship possible. Any time I visit awakens her need to use me as emotional food. If I do set boundaries, she becomes "a victim" who is so worried about her awful daughter. I see her do it with friends and family when they don't meet her expectations or needs. Here is a link I found helpful. You may have to copy or paste. If it is not allowed to post links I apologize and ask that admin notify me.

https://youtu.be/oK5aaIJWmWk
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vinman31 Jan 2020
Thank you for the video. I watched it just now and things that should be so obvious are still good to read and hear - such as not taking comments personally and realizing the bar is set too high so that nothing I do will matter. But more than anything else, the line that hits home most - and that I need to remind myself of more than anything - is that she will never change. I spent far too much time hoping that somehow she would. I realize now that she won’t of course, but it still helps to be reminded of that. Because it also reminds me that I’m the one who has to change. Thank you again.
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I have one simple question. Let's assume you made a promise to care for her. Well, did you ever hear of promises being broken in life by someone for some reason even though a promise was made. Sometimes circumstances and relationships with others change and then to keep that promise becomes almost impossible unless the one who made the promise is willing to give up and be destroyed in the process. Things happen and we cannot always see ahead. When things happen that do horrible harm to us and have a terrible impact on our lives, only a very stupid fool would still keep that promise. This woman does NOT deserve to be cared for by you and why are you allowing her to torment and abuse you. I don't think you can stop or change it. So make a stand and tell her enough is enough - she will be placed - away from you - AND DO IT AT ONCE. YOU DO NOT DESERVE WHAT SHE IS DOING TO YOU. There is no reason for a guilt trip - you did nothing wrong. She is the one who needs to be punished for her behavior and feel guilty, not you. Now go find place for her while you can still survive.
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rovana Jan 2020
Very wise words.  Actually I think these kinds of "promises" are basically not freely made by coerced by emotional blackmail and thus not valid at all.
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I am so thankful for this forum. You are not alone, I am in a very similar situation. Somewhere on here someone suggested a book that has been tremendously helpful in dealing with parents exactly as you describe. I was fortunate and lucky that the author is a practicing psychologist with a practice 7 miles from my home. He also does skype sessions I believe. Anyhow here is the website.

http://www.paulkchafetz.com/

Hang in there and thanks for sharing your situation. Each time I read one of these it reinforces the notion that I am not alone.
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vinman31 Jan 2020
You are certainly not alone. I’m sorry you’re going through a similar situation. Please feel free to reach out any time to vent or if you just want to talk. Everyone on here has been really helpful and understanding and supportive I am trying to be the same for anyone else dealing with this. Hang in there and thank you so much for the website.
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You promised your ailing father that you would take care of your mother, right? But why are you living with her? Taking care of her by getting her into assisted living is perfectly legitimate.  Who said it had to be "hands-on"?  Also, I very much doubt that such "promises" are valid - basically emotional blackmail is involved here. Weren't you trying to comfort your father? not freely undertaking the care of your mother? Time and more than time to look for IL, AL or whatever her needs are and "caretake" from a safe distance.  Sounds like your mother has been mentally ill all your life (and hers). But you cannot fix this, nor are you responsible for it.
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vinman31 Jan 2020
Rovana,
Thank you for your reply. I never thought a promise I made 25+ years ago would have involved this. It’s been overwhelming for years and only recently did I decide that this isn’t what my father had in mind. It couldn’t possibly be. It’s taken a long time for this awakening.
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Has anyone heard anything from the OP since October 31st?
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Dear Vinman31,
I just went through exactly the same personality. My mother too was exactly what you described how yours is. I relocated internationally so there was much a heavy influence of the culture in that you leave home until you marry. Single adults that live with parents typically end up caring for them like you are doing. Like i idid. Mother ended up developing Lewy Body Dementia which lasted +- 8 years. She passed on dec/9.
I will continue tomorrow.
Best regards to you,

Onlywhenlucid
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I too am dealing with an 83 year old mother that’s a manipulative narcissist. I find it impossible to believe that your father would want you to sacrifice and suffer. My father just died in October and she only misses his income. I can’t imagine being married 53 years and shedding a tear. We have taken the first step by getting her in-house nursing. Our goal is to find her a home fairly soon. I don’t feel by taking this action we are betraying my father, and you aren’t either. Live your life. I’m sure your miserable mother takes pleasure in your misery. Don’t let her have that.
Blessings to you

Gwen
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You should at least DATE. You definitely need to get out of the house at least one evening a week and do something fun for yourself. If your mom decides to "punish" you by throwing herself into the floor and breaking a bone, that's on her and is a surefire way to put herself on the path to the nursing home.

Forget your promise made to your dad. FORGET IT. Those promises ruin lives.

I recommend seeing an orthopedist because your spine is missing! :-)

Seriously though, you should see a good therapist and learn to establish boundaries. SO WHAT if your mom bi+ches! She's miserable and she's gonna complain. Your only "obligation" to her is to ensure that her NEEDS are met.
Let her watch TV alone. Leave the room when she starts complaining and whining. Tell her you are NOT going to stay and listen. Trust me, you do this a few times and she will catch on.
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I respectfully disagree with how Xenajada is giving you her response.
I absolutely understand you.
You are NOT missing your spine. That is not compassionate to say to the caregiver who is IN the fire right now.

I understand because I went through the same exactly.
My mother had no compassion, no empathy, no understanding and throughout the path of the LBD illness (8 years) she became worse.
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vinman31 Jan 2020
Thank you for your comments and for sharing your experience. As for those who choose to insult me, I don’t pay attention to them. If someone thinks someone who served their country “has no spine” because of a couple of paragraphs I write about what I’m dealing with right now, then they are not worth responding to. I appreciate your kind words and that you understand what this hell is like.

You hit on something I have to keep reminding myself of - that I cannot teach her a lesson. That she’s not going to suddenly “realize” what she’s like and suddenly change as a result. Your advice to go away when I can and take breaks when I can is advice I’ve been trying to follow for awhile now. It helps and I find it’s good to have something to look forward to - no matter how big or small - especially when my mother is negative 24/7, which is always the most exhausting. Thank you again for your very helpful, kind words.
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Vinman31,

The way I got help was with my sister, who kindly saw my decay and came in to assist me. We ended up changing cities in order to be closer to my sister.
Once we were together (same city close neighborhood), my sister saw what I had been dealing with for the prior 7 years. Although she knew how my mother was before getting ill, she had not seen on a daily basis how difficult she had become, and continued worsening.

We automatically assumed the roles of bad cop good cop.

Mother had absorbed me completely. She was a total "black-hole", carrying a dark cloud over her head all the time. She went from being a very positive individual to a negative one. She went from independent lady to completely dependent on us for everything. Her controlling self became much more controlling as her paranoia took over. Her delusions became very insulting to both of us. We learnt we had to go with the flow and avoid taking it personal.

It might be too late to "establish boundaries". When the illness takes over, they have no logic. They can not think straight, so do not argue, it will just agitate her. There is NO "teaching them a lesson" kind of thing. You can not!!! they do not have logic anymore!!!

If she falls, it might be worse for you. If you are not prepared to deal with all the administrative aspects. If she ends up in a skilled nursing facility, you would still need to take care of her in responsible manner.

Go away when you need a break. Just make sure you leave her well cared for.
My sister was very kind to practically force me to take breaks.

What is your mother's diagnosis? Is she LBD? if so how long has she had it?

OnlywhenLucid
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I need to say one simple thing here It does not matter if you made a promise many years ago to take care of this woman. I truly believe when you did make that promise, you felt guilty and had to promise but at the time you surely did not foresee what the actuality of the situation would be and how awful and hurtful and painful it would be for you. I will say it again and again until it sinks in. When people's attitude, behaviors, and general needs start taking a heavy toll on their caretaker and their families and lives, and nothing medically or otherwise will fix the situation, then you must, must, must re-evaluate the situation and if necessary, you remove them and place them where they are cared for and safe. And you can always keep in touch and keep tabs on them. You have only one life to live and this is your time. Do not let someone like this destroy it and you.
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im glad I found this posting. I’m going through the same thing. My dad died 2 months ago of breathing complications (I think lung cancer ate away at him for a year, slowly taking his strength, cognitive ability, and shut his organs down): 2 days before his 85th birthday; his decline about a year - before that he was so active and brilliant. I was the only person who recognised he was more ill than he let on and only one beside him when he died. My mother wouldn’t listen that he needed help when he was alive, wouldn’t work with me to help him, wouldn’t even begin to realise we were going to lose him. All she cared about was her “keep” that she got every Friday (dad worked hard all his life so my mother had nothing to worry about). Im 34. And always knew I had an older father than most people my
age. In school I knew that my dad was older than my friends . And always had in my mind to look after mum if any thing happens. Mum can’t read or write very well and after every menopausal argument she started during my childhood, after the verbal/mental/physical abuse
she would turn on the waterworks and plead me not to leave if “anything happened to daddy”

seems poignant my fav films are pinoccio and what happened to baby Jane. I was always closer to my father. And without him I’m finding my mother unbearable. I promised dad I would look after her too. And once he died instead of grief, I had to keep my head together to sort out everything ordinarily the widow would sort - the funeral, all the paperwork, cancelling things, changing things, over seeing the finances, contacting pensions/transfers/insurances, allowing my mother to have my dog for company so she’s not lonely (like giving up my child), worrying about her despite the fact all my mum cares about is herself. She doesn’t see how her selfishness hurts me. How she will be 2 faced. Arrogant Defiant. Then come crying that I don’t leave her after she’s pushed me away

shes thrown letters away that Iv needed to sort, thrown numbers/sympathy cards away because she doesn’t want to remember “daddy’s gone”. She doesn’t get why she couldn’t see him before he died (even though she knew he had 24 hours to live once we were told - she said she would go home and see him in the morning). Or after he died (covid Lockdown = no one could view bodies). She now feels guilt after all the aggravation and aggression she put him thru before he died. She wants help from neighbours and her sister but before that she always made out they were snooty or bullies.

I see now how much is a manipulative bithc she’s always been. And I can’t take how my life will be on pause and swallowed by her dependency now until she passes
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