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Wow interesting. RichRetired, while you may not lower yourself to childish name calling, it does, however, seem that you feel it your privilege to name who is and is not worthy of assistance and what that assistance should include. It is in the tone of your last reply, which I will not argue for or against, because it is merely your opinion.
Moreover, the issue at hand, as you pointed out was lost after Grace's comment, which to all but you, seemed to be shaming. While a cell phone may not qualify as a necessity, to either you or Grace, perhaps the issue of charity–whose worthy, and how it directly, impacts your personal prosperity, would best be addressed with your state's representative, rather than in response to a daughter, obviously, concerned about her mother's welfare. Did you, like Grace, both seemingly, assume the request for a cell phone was a frivolous one? Cell phones, after all act as GPS locators. Need I say more? I suppose one could argue that if someone were not a hard enough working citizen during the course of their lifetime or seemingly, intelligent enough to budget and plan on the advent of a cell phone, they do not, bloody, deserve to have one. Especially, given the lazy welfare mom's out there right now making babies on your dime. Babies who will grow up to someday, exploit the same social system with new lazy finesse.
This is not a political forum, but there are many sites dedicated to the sole purpose of airing grievances and debating what would make America great again.
It was Grace's total lack of sensitivity to the plight of an obviously, concerned daughter's desire to provide her mother with a cell phone, she herself, likely, cannot presently, afford to provide that was offensive, indeed.
Your choice of words, "...prevalent justification for "free" telephones as required by the Federal Government..." says it all. Your writing belies a well educated chap, and yet you blame charity at home, instead of greed, as ostensibly, a problem so egregious it warrants firing off at a daughter concerned about her mother. It says more about you, than you likely will ever grasp. Primarily, because it is always about the argument and winning, and who has the last word with chaps like you. As evidence of this fact, I am willing to bet you will not be able to resist a reply.
Perhaps I can let you off the hook. At the end of the day, no one really disagrees with you, per say, and maybe there is a bit of Grace in us all. What is so objectionable is shaming someone on AgingCare.com
One of the cell companies that specializes in the senior community charges $10 a month for the basic service although you have to pay for each message. For a total just over $19 you get a number of free messages and texts. It is also important to remember that any charged cell phone can dial 911 for free. This means an elder with a donated cell phone always has the security of getting help free. You can find old phones in thrift stores and garage sales for about $1
Mymamalovesme, you are correct. I simply was unable to resist responding. Everyone's situation is unique. Many residents have no family support and are forced to rely on other avenues. And if someone failed to prepare for their retirement years, perhaps that isn't their fault either as they may simply be the products of an uneducated lifestyle. I am personally torn between compassion for my fellow man and my own financial self-interests. I don't mind contributing where it is necessary, but disdain waste and abuse that isn't necessary and could be controlled with greater effort.
Veronica91, good point. An old cell phone has many uses. 911 calls, a camera to document accidents, an MP3 player, ebook reading, wifi surfing in public hotspots, or even as an introductory device for children to learn with.
If someone has a tracheostomy and a speaking valve doesn't work, they can only send text messages to contacts outside the nursing home. But you may be right to rub their poverty into their faces over not planning well for retirement. Stereotyping people and getting their messages deleted is childish RichRetired. And I was responding to your hubris and not your condescension.
RichRetired... there are many reasons why someone "failed to prepare for their retirement years" that have nothing to do with an uneducated lifestyle. Many people (including many on this site) quit their jobs to take care of their sick elderly family members and then have nothing to retire on themselves.
If you truly disdain waste and abuse, I would think you would be less concerned about a nursing home patient getting a free cell phone than you would be about corporate welfare or bloated military spending.
Please educate yourself on where your tax dollars actually go. You might be surprised to learn you aren't kicking in so much for your fellow man.
dear staaaaar, who wrote "...I would think you would be less concerned about a nursing home patient getting a free cell phone than you would be about corporate welfare or bloated military spending." It is so very easy to write the words "corporate welfare" and "bloated military." It is far more difficult to get Congress to actually balance the US Federal Budget. Currently the US is about 20 Trillion in debt, but when you add in "unfunded liabilities" which includes things like future Medicaid, and free cell phones, it is closer to 100 Trillion in debt. Eliminating free cell phones for seniors wouldn't put much of a dent in either of those figures. Interestingly, neither would eliminating "corporate welfare" which only comes to about 100 billion per year. "Bloated military" is open to interpretation---do we really want the bad guys to rule the world? I don't advocate US interventionism, however, when there are terrorists roaming the world, we need the good guys roaming the world too. Maybe if everyone were more responsible, including living within their means for their entire lives, and not depending on government, AND if there were no evil terrorists in the world, AND if Congress would pass a law eliminating lobbyists, we wouldn't have to be so worried about little extras for seniors in nursing homes. As it is, we the taxpayers have to do whatever we can to try and get Congress to reduce spending---which means everyone has to cut back.
Please educate yourself on where your tax dollars actually go. You might be surprised to learn you aren't kicking in so much for your fellow man.
I agree with Cuddles....if they can not afford it maybe a relative can help with the cost...most seniors are not able to get out and this is their only way to communicate.
Every preteen in this world has one...why not our seniors? Why does a preteen need one..they do not have a job...so why can they have one?
20 years ago I did finally allow my kids now in their 40s to have a land line in each of their rooms and would not have allowed a cell phone. These days I am happy my teenage grandchildren have their own cell phones. The world has become a very dangerous place in the last 25 years and everyone should have the ability to call for help.
I do not agree that free phones should be top of the line models, there is no need for other than a basic phone to be able to receive messages from work, Drs apts and similar. One of our local pharmacies delivers meds and some foods locally and use of the phone for that to me is very acceptable.
Of course there is abuse in the welfare system, people by nature will try and get something for nothing. Not everyone of course but the temptation is there all the same.
I don't agree that everything should be free but I also don't agree that the military should be permitted to order a 4 thousand dollar toilet or relief aid be skimmed off the top by people who don't deserve it.
One of our local charities used to give low income people anything they wanted for free such as furniture and clothing which were all donated now they have turned their operation into a kind of thrift shop so people have to pay at least a small sum for items.
Have you ever wondered what happens to things you donate to the major charities that operate thrift stores all over the country? No they don't all go into their stores, They are bundled up and sold through a third party in bales and shipped to a third world country. There they are sold at auction and locals stock their own stores with them. That is why you often see on TV news stories local people wearing Western clothes rather than their traditional costume.
Anyway back to the phones in nursing homes. If someone is able to use a phone they should be given one if they don't have a relative able to provide one. Cell hones are convenient to use but they have to be charged and often the patient can't reach the plug or have mislaid the cord. My own experience in a NH for rehab for 4 days was that a landline was provided free with a corded hand set. As long as it was left within reach which it often wasn't and I was not permitted to leave my bed or chair without supervision, it was easier than keeping track of a cell phone. I put it to good use on a couple of ocassions when my call bell was ignored for a couple of hours.
Anyone out there with a loved one in a facility who waits hours for a bell to be answered to call the front desk or the nurses station. If all else fails pull the cord to the call bell out of the wall. That sets off an alarm and you quickly get service. Well I have had my say on free phones for nursing home residents.
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Based on your preferences, we provide you with information about one or more of our contracted senior living providers ("Participating Communities") and provide your Senior Living Care Information to Participating Communities. The Participating Communities may contact you directly regarding their services.
APFM does not endorse or recommend any provider. It is your sole responsibility to select the appropriate care for yourself or your loved one. We work with both you and the Participating Communities in your search. We do not permit our Advisors to have an ownership interest in Participating Communities.
II. How We Are Paid.
We do not charge you any fee – we are paid by the Participating Communities. Some Participating Communities pay us a percentage of the first month's standard rate for the rent and care services you select. We invoice these fees after the senior moves in.
III. When We Tour.
APFM tours certain Participating Communities in Washington (typically more in metropolitan areas than in rural areas.) During the 12 month period prior to December 31, 2017, we toured 86.2% of Participating Communities with capacity for 20 or more residents.
IV. No Obligation or Commitment.
You have no obligation to use or to continue to use our services. Because you pay no fee to us, you will never need to ask for a refund.
V. Complaints.
Please contact our Family Feedback Line at (866) 584-7340 or ConsumerFeedback@aplaceformom.com to report any complaint. Consumers have many avenues to address a dispute with any referral service company, including the right to file a complaint with the Attorney General's office at: Consumer Protection Division, 800 5th Avenue, Ste. 2000, Seattle, 98104 or 800-551-4636.
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APFM does not (and may not) require or even ask consumers seeking senior housing or care services in Washington State to sign waivers of liability for losses of personal property or injury or to sign waivers of any rights established under law.
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Moreover, the issue at hand, as you pointed out was lost after Grace's comment, which to all but you, seemed to be shaming. While a cell phone may not qualify as a necessity, to either you or Grace, perhaps the issue of charity–whose worthy, and how it directly, impacts your personal prosperity, would best be addressed with your state's representative, rather than in response to a daughter, obviously, concerned about her mother's welfare. Did you, like Grace, both seemingly, assume the request for a cell phone was a frivolous one? Cell phones, after all act as GPS locators. Need I say more? I suppose one could argue that if someone were not a hard enough working citizen during the course of their lifetime or seemingly, intelligent enough to budget and plan on the advent of a cell phone, they do not, bloody, deserve to have one. Especially, given the lazy welfare mom's out there right now making babies on your dime. Babies who will grow up to someday, exploit the same social system with new lazy finesse.
This is not a political forum, but there are many sites dedicated to the sole purpose of airing grievances and debating what would make America great again.
It was Grace's total lack of sensitivity to the plight of an obviously, concerned daughter's desire to provide her mother with a cell phone, she herself, likely, cannot presently, afford to provide that was offensive, indeed.
Your choice of words, "...prevalent justification for "free" telephones as required by the Federal Government..." says it all. Your writing belies a well educated chap, and yet you blame charity at home, instead of greed, as ostensibly, a problem so egregious it warrants firing off at a daughter concerned about her mother. It says more about you, than you likely will ever grasp. Primarily, because it is always about the argument and winning, and who has the last word with chaps like you. As evidence of this fact, I am willing to bet you will not be able to resist a reply.
Perhaps I can let you off the hook. At the end of the day, no one really disagrees with you, per say, and maybe there is a bit of Grace in us all. What is so objectionable is shaming someone on AgingCare.com
Veronica91, good point. An old cell phone has many uses. 911 calls, a camera to document accidents, an MP3 player, ebook reading, wifi surfing in public hotspots, or even as an introductory device for children to learn with.
If you truly disdain waste and abuse, I would think you would be less concerned about a nursing home patient getting a free cell phone than you would be about corporate welfare or bloated military spending.
Please educate yourself on where your tax dollars actually go. You might be surprised to learn you aren't kicking in so much for your fellow man.
It is so very easy to write the words "corporate welfare" and "bloated military."
It is far more difficult to get Congress to actually balance the US Federal Budget. Currently the US is about 20 Trillion in debt, but when you add in "unfunded liabilities" which includes things like future Medicaid, and free cell phones, it is closer to 100 Trillion in debt.
Eliminating free cell phones for seniors wouldn't put much of a dent in either of those figures.
Interestingly, neither would eliminating "corporate welfare" which only comes to about 100 billion per year. "Bloated military" is open to interpretation---do we really want the bad guys to rule the world? I don't advocate US interventionism, however, when there are terrorists roaming the world, we need the good guys roaming the world too.
Maybe if everyone were more responsible, including living within their means for their entire lives, and not depending on government, AND if there were no evil terrorists in the world, AND if Congress would pass a law eliminating lobbyists, we wouldn't have to be so worried about little extras for seniors in nursing homes.
As it is, we the taxpayers have to do whatever we can to try and get Congress to reduce spending---which means everyone has to cut back.
Please educate yourself on where your tax dollars actually go. You might be surprised to learn you aren't kicking in so much for your fellow man.
Every preteen in this world has one...why not our seniors? Why does a preteen need one..they do not have a job...so why can they have one?
Cuddles...go girl!
I do not agree that free phones should be top of the line models, there is no need for other
than a basic phone to be able to receive messages from work, Drs apts and similar.
One of our local pharmacies delivers meds and some foods locally and use of the phone for that to me is very acceptable.
Of course there is abuse in the welfare system, people by nature will try and get something for nothing. Not everyone of course but the temptation is there all the same.
I don't agree that everything should be free but I also don't agree that the military should be permitted to order a 4 thousand dollar toilet or relief aid be skimmed off the top by people who don't deserve it.
One of our local charities used to give low income people anything they wanted for free such as furniture and clothing which were all donated now they have turned their operation into a kind of thrift shop so people have to pay at least a small sum for items.
Have you ever wondered what happens to things you donate to the major charities that operate thrift stores all over the country? No they don't all go into their stores, They are bundled up and sold through a third party in bales and shipped to a third world country. There they are sold at auction and locals stock their own stores with them. That is why you often see on TV news stories local people wearing Western clothes rather than their traditional costume.
Anyway back to the phones in nursing homes. If someone is able to use a phone they should be given one if they don't have a relative able to provide one. Cell hones are convenient to use but they have to be charged and often the patient can't reach the plug or have mislaid the cord.
My own experience in a NH for rehab for 4 days was that a landline was provided free with a corded hand set. As long as it was left within reach which it often wasn't and I was not permitted to leave my bed or chair without supervision, it was easier than keeping track of a cell phone. I put it to good use on a couple of ocassions when my call bell was ignored for a couple of hours.
Anyone out there with a loved one in a facility who waits hours for a bell to be answered to call the front desk or the nurses station. If all else fails pull the cord to the call bell out of the wall. That sets off an alarm and you quickly get service.
Well I have had my say on free phones for nursing home residents.