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Babalou, you make a good point. It is always someone else's fault to some of these people.
Dealing with my mom it feels like taking crazy pills. I'm trying to help her this week, and she needs groceries, but I buy them, and they're the wrong ones. I say, well, I will take you Friday after work. No, that doesn't work for her. She starts telling me I'll have to take her Monday, Tuesday, maybe Wednesday (whenever her mood is right, basically), and I finally said, no, I can't just be on call to her whims. I have a stressful job with long hours and I can't deal with a human mood ring.
I told her, I know someone who you can pay to drive you around. (She has a good pension and can afford that.) This woman works with old people, is patient, and I told my mom she can pay her at least $10 an hour to drive her around at 1 in the afternoon and I'll make sure she gets some gas money, too. I figure it might be less drama with someone else; my mom jerks me around so much it's maddening.
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NJNY: Do you think your mom would like a cat? Cats are so easy to care for. No need to take it out to the bathroom 5 times a day. Cats lay around and use a liter box. DO NOT feel obligated to get her a dog. You will be responsible for always taking care of it.

Turning off your phone more is a great idea. I started doing that. When my mom would question me...my excuse was always that the battery went dead. I cannot tell you how much better I feel keeping my distance from her. I still write out her rent check, but that is all. I don't even do her medicine anymore. She has it delivered from a local pharmacy. Too bad it couldn't have been like this sooner, but I guess I didn't really know how to let go.

My mom is going to be 70 this year and I know I have a long road ahead of me, so I decided it was time to make those decisions now. Keep working toward your goals with no regrets.
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njny1952,

Souinds like the addiction side of things is creeping up. That is the side that was addicted to pleasing mom at all costs. That's actually not you, it is a foreign emotional thing from your mom's programming. It's what makes you feel awful and unloveable that you seriously questioned whether your husband could actually love you. The flip side of that doubt is the real message, "only mom finds you lovable and only mom can actually love you, thus come back to mom." What a lie from her sickness or worse!

Working past that with your therapist that you are meeting with on Friday is one of those pains of your labor towards giving birth to your own new life and a valuable, unique human being. Keep pushing and keep breathing.

Sounds like your husband has some healthy emotional distance from his mom. That's good!

Do something nice for you today. Do something fun with your husband today!
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Nj, you can thank Jeanne Gibbs, another poster on this board for IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT. I too am a fixer; it's a very hard habit to break.

Good luck with the counselor, I hope that it's a good fit for you. Remember, this is NOT another person you have to please. This is a person who is trained to look at all the dark brown goop that is inside ALL of us and help up reconstruct a person capable (in our own eyes) of both loving and being loved. You are indeed worthy of that and I wish you well on this journey.
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Clarification... My husband's mom lives in town in an independent living apartment, not with us, and my mom lives in a duplex independently. If they lived with us, I honestly think I would lose my mind.
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Babalou--it helps for me to be reminded that it is not my fault. Thank you.
I have to get out of the role of being the "fixer" of all things real or imagined. I know what is coming next... If she does not have a dog, she will start to worry about her health so I will have to prepare myself for that. Of course, she doesn't like her doctor but she tried to switch and the next one was worse. Oh well.

For some reason, I do feel better this morning. Of course, it is early and I haven't heard from her yet. Lynnemk, I definite see the parallel. By the way, my mother went through a zillion shoes before finally settling in on one or two styles, so I am sorry your mom is only in slippers. My mother is horribly afraid of falling also. Is your mom at home? Sounds like you have siblings? I would be very grateful for a sibling, if he/she were helpful. If not, that would add to the nightmare.

So, happy Sunday to all. I am hoping and praying that the counselor visit will go well for me in Friday.

Last night, I felt so awful and unloveable that I seriously questioned whether my husband could actually love me. He reassured me once again. He is wonderful and I am so grateful for him. He has his mom here but he manages not to dwell on things, and she has her share of issues.. I wish I had better control of my brain sometimes!
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Some people seem to feel the need to outsource their bad feelings to others so as not to have to own their own dysfunction, illness, etc. In the above example, "if only my daughter could find me the right shoes, I could walk again". No, there is other stuff going on that makes not walking possible. "If only I had a dog, the right dog, I'd be happy again, but my daughter can't find THE RIGHT dog". No, your unsteadiness and other infirmities make it impossible for you to have a dog now. A cat would be a better choice. At one point, my mom (who does not cause us to feel guilty about this sort of thing) became obsessed with getting new dentures. The dentist who calls at her nursing home said to me wryly "if only she had dentures, she could go home, right?" I believe in dementia, as reasoning skills decline, the person sometimes gets "stuck" on the one key thing that will make everything better. For some, it's "going home", for others, it's a particular thing like a dog or a pair of shoes. For those who are emotionally unhealthy, the ability to "get" that thing must be someone else's fault; when in in reality, it's just age, circumstances and infirmity.

Just remember, the fact that your mother is old, infirm and whatever else she is is NOT YOUR FAULT.
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I can identify to your situation trying to make things work when they can't. I kept trying to find the right shoes when it was obvious she could not wear shoes anymore. I kept trying to find a pair to fit her where it would not hurt her feet bought 3 pair kept taking them back.. She would say they would not fit before i put them on. she never wore her shoes again the most we could get her to wear were slippers. I was trying to help her toward her therapy for walking at the time but she had given up then, and wanted to stay in bed. I guess i gave up trying then too, it was not working for her anymore. Her fear of falling was too great. just another phase of their decline. For us it is another change for us to deal with and be faced with.
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Hi friends--I haven't updated you in a bit. Had company for quite a while, and things were going pretty well. My mother got a dog, and my company (relatives of my mother's) had a bird's eye view of my relationship with my mother. They told me to turn off my phone more often. That was helpful. I am fighting against being stressed out again. My mother got another dog but it didn't work out either. Took the dog back today. This was dog number 3. She is super depressed, and feels like she can't find a dog that works, and that even if she did, she is too unsteady on her feet to safely care for it. Why do I feel like it is up to me to make it better? Well, I KNOW that it is not up to me, but I still feel so much like she is my responsibility -her emotions as well as her physical health. I am exhausted from working so hard to try and feel some peace and happiness. Good news, though. I have an appt. with a counselor on Friday . Wish me luck and please don't give up on me. I feel so down today but hope to feel better tomorrow. Thanks--
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njny1952,

Great to hear back from you today! You are making progress and gaining insights along the way. This journey definitely includes a lot of labor intensive pains and anxiety. However, the pains and related anxiety of such labor will fade in the joy of having one's new and own life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep this before you like your own eye of the tiger that you may know from one of those Rocky Movies in the past. Even a strong individual needed an Adrian to get his "Eye of the Tiger" back and stay on track.

You are a strong person to have gotten to wear you are. With support and effort you will get there. Just, remember to breathe!
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Hello again! I have no idea why there was a question mark after my thanking Babalou and Looloo. There should have been an exclamation point! ☺️
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Thank you, everyone! I appreciate your responding to my post! Cmagnum--I especially appreciate your commentary related to my being terrified. I feel stuck and do not want to be. I still have company but am going to contact a counselor and even got a friend-in-the-know to give me the names of the best choices. I want to know why I am terrified of my mother being angry with me. I can get through it, but I try so hard to please her and this sometimes keeps me from finding and celebrating my own path and freedom. I am dedicated to changing no matter how hard the work is. Thanks also to Babalou and Looloo for your kind responses? :-). We are all anonymous but I feel like I have a true support group. I want to start helping others soon and as much as I can!
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That is great news. It sounds like your mother has some abandonment issues from which the drama and sense of immediacy likely come from.

I will be helpful to have a face to face therapist when you get one. My armchair perception of where the feelings of being terrified are from emerges from the grooming that your mother put you through. In other words, it could be what some describe as the inner child who knows to be terrified given past experiences with mom. Some people get stuck right at this point of being terrified and find it safer to stay stuck as an attempt to maintain a false peace.

Narcissists and borderlines do not view their children when they become adults as fully functioning adults with their own identity. How dare one step out and claim their identity as their own individual person when the abusive parent only sees them as an extension of themselves.

Thus, the need for such a focused determination to dam the torpedoes, despise the pain of the journey and have a take no prisoners outlook in the pursuit of the goal of living as their own person.

My SIL struggles with this. Her identical twin sister, my wife, and I have shared the very same things she's told us that her therapist she no longer sees has shared with her. I think she's more terrified by her past than she is inspired by her future.

Take care. It's normal to feel terrified. However, you don't have to let being terrified to make you petrified. You can chose to give in to the terror or recognizing where it is coming from to move past it. On the other hand, those emotions can be so intense and long lasting that sometimes a mixture of stabalizing meds are given to help the person deal with things in a more leveal headed approach.

Take care.
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Fantastic news, njny! About your husband's results, and your own progress! Hugs...
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Wonderful news, especially about your husband's biopsy.
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Dear Friends,

I went on the trip and it was awesome! Plus, the best news ever--my husband's biopsy is negative--benign! Yay and phew!

I enjoyed my grandson and husband and was able to minimize my mother-worry to some extent. I spoke to my mother once a day and honestly she was appropriate. Now I am back (with company visiting) and my mother is overly-excited, emotional, demanding because... Well, yesterday she didn't have a dog, then she found out about one and we brought it home, and now she is over the top trying to get it to a vet, have it groomed, etc. A quick rush back to her normal state of drama and need for immediacy. My company, my mother's cousin noticed that my mother has changed considerably in the five years since he has seen her--physically and mentally. I may not have been noticing changes as much because I see her every day. I will watch more carefully, but no matter what, even if she is dealing with some level of dementia, I still have lots of work to do with boundary setting and finding my own free path. I read over your entries on and off when I was gone. I am so grateful, and one day (sooner than later), I hope to be helping others because I have figured out how to have my own life despite seemingly terrifying odds. Maybe the counselor (who I do not yet have) can help me figure out why I get terrified. Anyway, please keep your positive energy and suggestions coming. I will be checking and hoping you all are doing well. XXOO
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Njny, have a wonderful time!
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Narcissistic moms only like a potential son in law to be someone they can control. Other men are seen as threats.
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Ideally a parent should be able to want their child to be independent, happy, and not expect you to make sure they are happy or entertained. (Sometimes I think they just want us to be miserable because they are.)

Of course with narc parents, they want just the opposite of us being happy or independent.

Heck, my mom even told me I should go after my husband's brother (before we married), because she thought he would be a better match -- or maybe he was more her type (that was probably it). He's a nice guy, but I wouldn't have wanted to go on a date with him when I was single, but hey, what Mama wants ... she'll be sure to tell you. And she was convinced my father-in-law was falling in love with her and my mother-in-law resented my mom because of that! So much delusion!
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Nervous but heading out. Talk to you soon! Trying to ignore the scary feeling in the pit of my stomach. You are helping me!
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Njny, just a suggestion. If mom calls with an "emergency" while you're away, call 911. That's what the emts are there for.
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njny1952,

Does your health insurance company have a web site? If so, it may help you to find who is on your plan in your area. They often include information like gender, education and where they got their education. If they have one, I'd check it out.
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Vstefans--I actually made a first call today to find out which counselors were on my insurance plan. I want to find out who might be a god one for me, but I am not "in process." Thank you for the words of wisdom and practicality. I am bringing my iPad with me to read, reread and write!
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Mom's judgement of you is wrong on every level. First it is wrong - you ARE a good daughter. Second, it is wrong to use that constant judgement as a means of controlling your life - and to top that off, she is doing it not to help or nuture you in any way, but in order to meet her wants and whims - not even her real needs. And of course over all these years you have internalized it - the fear an guilt inside you matches the criticism and sarcasm she feeds you and you feel crushed in between. Thank God your family is behind you - and once you have these couple of nights away (assuming a phony or even a real emergency is created by Mom to punish you) and the dust settles, consider getting yourself into a supportive professional counseling relationship too.
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You know--I feel like I have a wonderful new set of friends--all of you! I had a very hard start to the day, with huge amounts of drama, but eventually my mother and I were able to have a reasonably adult conversation. One of the better conversations we have ever had. I stood my ground, but I also listened. I know that I must set boundaries and stick to them, and I am taking steps I have not taken before. I don't want to get myself all worked up by reliving this morning's drama, but I can promise you that all of your words are helping me grow stronger and more confident. I called my adult children this morning who have watched lots of drama over the years, and they were filled with wisdom and love. I am going at this one day at a time and sometimes an hour or even a minute at a time. That was great advice. I am also trying to be my own good mother. Bless you all. We are planning to leave in the morning and I am crossing my fingers that all goes well.
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A therapist once told my wife to be like a mother to herself and by that she meant treat herself like a good mother would.
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nj, you're doing fine. We all know how hard it is for you to take that first trip and you're doing it!
And please remember that when your mom tries to guilt you into doing what she wants, she's intentionally trying to make you feel bad. This doesn't come from a place of love.

When you call her while on the trip, remember you are doing something normal and reasonable, and important to your own family. Don't get pulled into drama while away.

We can't change past actions or family history, but we can choose to stop the dysfunction in our generation. We can become better parents for the experience (I call it anti-mothering), better spouses and unconditionally loving people because we truly understand unconditional love.

When you feel the old feelings moving in, give your grandson a hug and move past them. Picture all of us on the sidelines, telling you that you can do this.
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njny1952,

Remember, one day at a time and at times one hour at a time. You are making progress. Rome was not build in a day nor was your grooming accomplished in a day. Keep downloading the updates for a new program for life and install them on the hard drive of your mind. You are savable.
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I don't think hoovering us into their h*ll by making us feel bad is what makes them feel good. I think they have a need for no one to feel any better than they do. For someone to have a separate identity than them plus be happy is absolutely horrible to them. So, if we are happy, then that means we have pulled away some as a separate person who has their own life. A narcissist just can't make it alone. They have to find a codependent person to use.
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Njny, that sounds so familiar. I've had that with my mom where I try to talk to her and if she's not happy she starts telling me she'll die soon and I'm killing her, or I don't respect all her ailments. (What ailments? I ask) Oh, she has them, she assures me. (Are you in pain? Are you short of breath? Heart pounding? Dizzy? Pressure in chest? Should we take you to the hospital? I ask) Oh, I have things going on... (How about we bring this up to the doctor?) Oh no, I don't want them knowing private things. So she wants me to know I'm killing her or she wants pity for some ailment she won't bring up to the doctor but doesn't want anything done about it. Do they just want us to feel like crap? Is that what makes them feel good?
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