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I feel so bad for you, NovaAndrews. You're in a mine field. Plunge through! I've walked in your shoes--just a couple of months ago. Our facilities in this country are horrid, no matter the level. Be it independent living, assisted living, memory care, nursing homes, rehab. And they're all in bed with the hospitals and vice versa. It's a reciprocal nightmare!, i.e., "You send us some patients......and we'll send you some. But we won't tell what we know on each other". I think they've all thrived on Covid because nobody can get in to see what's happening......or NOT happening! They DO retaliate, make no mistake about it. The emergency room will declare the patient dehydrated and by golly, you can call the nursing home after the patient returns and ask them what the ER said and they'll lie and say, "He's fine. No, he's not dehydrated. Never really was".....not knowing you've obtained a copy of the records and you already know the answer and he IS dehydrated. They'll blow up AT YOU when they find you've got a copy. They don't want you seeing that. But they don't back down. They'll put blocks on their phone and e-mail so you can't contact them. And you can't go in and face off with them because of Covid. They're protected. This goes on in Florida for sure and I've given myself a headache just sitting here re-living it all.

As for contacting the Ombudsman, what do you have to lose? I wish I'd done it! I feel guilty because I didn't. I didn't truly know that was an option. You're already walking in a mine field, so what the heck? Give it everything you've got. I don't think the care could be any worse than what you've described. Get your LO's records first as ammunition, if you haven't already. You don't need a reason. You can do that in one day simply by going to the hospital and asking. Encephalopathy (brain swelling) is serious, no cure, and will cause the patient to act out and become combative, among other things. Patient will get thrown out for bad behavior because they have "brain snaps". When you move him (and you WILL find a place--just keep looking--and I know it's a pain), new facility administrator might possibly tell you, "Previous facility has already called and said the family is the problem, not the patient". Baloney. Because you stood up for negligence and maltreatment of your LO? I feel for you. I truly do. It's a tough situation for YOU and your LO. I wish you the very best. Keep the faith!
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LauraCoulter Sep 2020
Goodness! I wish you had brought your loved one to my community. You needed a partner you could trust! I would have taken good care of you and your loved one!
Caregivers deserve as much support as the patient!
I have found that taking the time to communicate and brainstorm together builds life long friendships. Nobody knows their loved one as well as a caregiver - and nobody knows the typical problem sets and solutions like an administrator!
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Make a report. If your facts are accurate and verifiable the Ombudsman will take care of the problem. All nursing homes and assisted living facilities are not the evil empire and welcome reports on how they can improve.
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Remember what Dorthy said, “There is no place like home.” Making the complaint might punish the facility, but will it solve your problem? If your LO is a hospice candidate bring him to your home for care.
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Keepyourheadup1 Jan 2021
The county senior service supplied additional home health at no cost up to three times a week. Go to your local municipality websites depatmont for seniors online.
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Grounds for Lawsuit. This is quite serious. Neglect is against the law. Personally, I would bring LO home for hospice care. I wouldn't wait for potential death due to further Neglect. I'm sorry your loved one (and you) are going through this.
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Your aging loved one can be tricky. I worked in senior care for the last 16 years. Caring for senior is my privelage and passion. To answer your question, there are several reasons why your loved one could be struggling with dehydration. The administrator can be your best starting point. I can attest to the fact that most people who gravitate to senior care are as in love with your family member as you are.
First: in my experience as an administrator it is not likely that the ordered amount of water isn't given when ordered. The process is probably performed at 8a, 12p, 4p and 8a when the traditional medication pass takes place.
The very first thing I see is that 8 ounces every 4 hours is only half of the amount of water that a senior needs on a daily basis. The average senior should consume 8 ounces of water 8 times per day. Regardless of mobility. Seniors typically take quite a few medications, many of which may be designed to keep fluid build up from happening. These will be your cardiac medications, Lasix for edema, etc. If your loved ones is only taking half of the fluid intake and coupled with medications that encourage fluid loss - the result can be dehydration in a matter of days. The good news is the fix is simple. You can call her physician, or leave a message with the facility administrator to communicate the issue to the facility physician. (I always communicate every detail with my families as their single point of contact) The doctor may want to add the water a little at a time if cardiac issues or edema is present. Be sure the order clearly sets the exact amount of fluids to be given every 4 hours. Do not agree to have more than the 4 ounces given - champion having the fluids given every four hours so that your loved one is being continually replenished and doesn't go more than 8 hours (sleep time) between fluid intake. Ask if a routine lab draw is advised to assess for dehydration. Probably not, but won't hurt to ask as a second layer of defense. It may be time to discuss hospice care, which gives you all kinds of backup! Weekly nurse assessments, extra eyes via a bath aid, pays for certain medications and supplies like incontinence products and bed pads. Your loved one doesn't need to be actively dying to qualify, and it is covered in full by Medicare. No extra expense to you. Those are, of course, highly personal decisions for you and your loved ones doctor to discuss.

Other things to keep an eye on is the temperature in the room being comfortable but not so warm that your family member is losing fluid from sweating or being too hot. I can bet your loved one likes to be toasty but maybe it's a bit too toasty.

Reven medication list with the physician to ensure that there isn't some weird combination of medications that is causing dehydration. Sometimes simply changing the time of day a medication is given works wonders!

I encourage my families to communicate every issue, question or concern with me. As the administrator, my license makes me personally accountable for every life entrusted to me. It also makes it easier on the family and easier on me. The family doesn't have to chase down multiple people to communicate with every department head for various things. The administrator ultimately supervises every department and being in the know gives you a second set of eyes when you're not there! And an administrator who has seen how worried you are, is a powerful ally!

The nurse may not have questioned the decreased intake if cardiac issues or edema. Fluid restrictions are common in those instances.

Hope this helps! Let us know how it goes! Good luck and god bless you for being the caregiver! There's a special place in heaven for you guys!

Laura
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Keepyourheadup1 Jan 2021
Yes, I found there to be a lot of dynamics. Great info.
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Imho, yes, report this to the Ombudsman.
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demand the paperwork when they supposedly did what they said they were doing when they were supposed to.. It's all supposed to be logged, if they refuse hire a lawyer to help you get your hands on those logs...
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If someone has POA then stay in touch with the DON as to discrepancy between hospital and their records (Im sure they were fudged if they didn't give properly). The intake is very low could it be your LO has CHF and therefore fluids are limited? Ask physician how to avoid this in the future.
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Keepyourheadup1 Jan 2021
Whats CHF, please.
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I have worked with physicians in many areas during my nursing career. Far too often, I have heard some of them pronounce in absolute terms that a situation could only have come about in a particular way. That is so often not true when we're dealing with the human body. Dehydration can result from infection, high blood sugar, diarrhea, fever--to name a few causes.

Physicians and nurses (among others) are mandated to report to the appropriate agency if they have reason to believe an elder was abused or neglected. Did any of them report the nursing home.

When I worked for a regulatory agency, I received a report from a hospital social worker that a nursing home resident was so severely dehydrated that the diagnosing physician was actually shaking from the upset he felt at the patient's condition on admission. Yet, neither he nor any of the physicians who treated her in the hospital included dehydration as a diagnosis in her medical record.

All this to say, there is not always an easy explanation for a person's condition. In addition, tube feedings do not always provide a benefit as the body sometimes cannot utilize the nutrients.
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Keepyourheadup1 Jan 2021
Thank you, the peg tube lifestyle is inhumane and regulated by guidelines in NH by Health and Human Services. They should be providing Speech therapy to teach to swallow again introducing to eating by mouth. Many doctors write and approve soft foods by mouth. Hospitals allow family to give soft foods by mouth. Inhumane they cook and feed others all around people who cannot be given food by mouth and feed others all around them three times or more a day. They smell the food and see others eating by mouth. The State will remove your relative from home if you feed them by mouth and they have a peg tube, even if youve been told and have documentation documenting that you can feed them soft foods by mouth. While on a diabetic portion controllef prescribed oral soft foods Nutrition laden diet along with the peg tube for hydration, some bolus feedings, and for medication, and juicing vegetables and reccoking meals adding vegies my relative went from morbid obesity size 6x to a 1x in one year. I myself using the diabetic nutrition plan along with juicing vegetables and fruit and recooking to add vegetables to dishes went from a twelve to a size 3 in one year. She was never dehydrated and had routine lab work a few times and a week before the State took her from her home and had not been dehydrated or anything else in lab work. They put her in a complete pump feeding, and barred me from the NH. But I received the pharmaceutical reports monthly in the mail and saw dehydration treatment and mind changing drugs with permanent side effects as well on the report. The feeding formula by itself was not in and of itself sufficient for the best optimum results, no far from it. However, bolus peg tube feeding was great for hydration my relative hated to drink water all her life, great for medication, and meals in the go. This needs to be revised by a congresstional hearing it legislation which I have not found.
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For your own piece of mind speak to the director of nursing and social worker. Let them handle it.
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Keepyourheadup1 Jan 2021
I love when this works out but she described a nightmarish place. Morale non-existent. Let us know.
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I haven't been online for awhile and am just now seeing your question. The answer is "YES" they can refuse to readmit after transferring your loved one to the hospital. I speak from personal experience. I have a lot of experience filing formal complaints. My mother's NH retaliated against me, not her, which resulted in her being sent to the hospital and then dumped by the NH. They refused readmittance in the midst of this pandemic.

The retaliation was against me for filing multiple complaints not only with the local ombudsman, but with state agencies. My complaints resulted in multiple "tags" for the nursing home and frequent visits from the State to ensure not only the safety of my mother, but the safety of other residents. They did receive lower ratings by CMS -- granted I was not the only one filing complaints.

The nightmare I had to go thru as a result of her "eviction" was horrendous. I escalated to state congressional leaders to every person/agency I could think of to help her with no avail. The fact that NHs can do this is criminal, even worse to do so in the midst of a pandemic. Looking back, I regret the way I voiced my complaint regarding neglect issues, but I don't regret filing the complaints and escalating the multiple incidents. It saved her life.

What is tragic is that I had to choose the worse of the worst NHs to place her after they dumped her at the hospital. Very few NHs were accepting new admits at the time. I had to send her to a place with horrible ratings and several neglect lawsuits. Even worse I could not tour the facility, had to move her to a place without knowing what it looked like inside, whether it was clean and whether it smelled. It is a dilapidated building, with severe staff shortages (one CNA and one LPN for 30-35 residents), where I have learned there is a high usage of agency staff, where the exchange of care information is poor, where meds are often not given, and where the phone goes unanswered for hours -- even after a recent Covid outbreak where my nerves were off the chart.

I will summarize by saying, you can contact the Ombudsman, but do it gently, and not often, and try to limit the number of complaints you file with your state agencies. If you do, be prepared for the possibility of the NH retaliating by shipping your loved one off to the hospital and then refusing readmittance. It is my experience that the ombudsman is a negotiator and serves as a liaision between family members, residents, and nursing homes. They are powerless in preventing nursing home evictions despite what they tell you. It is a well known fact that nursing homes discharge residents involuntarily, and you have little or no recourse. Ombudsman also cannot stop staff from retailiating (by refusing to provide care or neglecting your loved one). Staff behavior is covert, and they will deny it if challenged, especially now in the midst of this pandemic.

In my state ombudsman cannot visit nursing homes except for severe cases of neglect, and even then, they are in and out quickly. They have little if any line of vision into what is now occurring in nursing homes and the amount of support they can provide is limited.

Hindsight says I should have moved my mother long before the Covid outbreak and at the first stage of reporting multiple issues of neglect. The problems with long term care occurred long before the pandemic. My heart goes out to you.
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Keepyourheadup1 Jan 2021
Do you know how the Omsbudmans office was created? State or Federal agency? Elder Affairs? Health and Human Services? This needs to be a course designed to streamline this knowledge that leads to certification or a law degree but designed with incentives to educate the public. Even if it's because it could happen to any one of us at any time. Right know I think banding together with a few families with the same needs in order to care for your own relatives. I know it sounds impossible. But corporations just want to grow rich from providing services or pretending to. Caring for others is challenging, but neglect is unacceptable, cruel and unusual. My intro to health plans and their providers began around 2012 taking my relative to her PCP. I translated after she had a stroke. Her staff of home health and health plan continuity of care led to many subsequent frequent Hospitalizations, I would go to hospital just to come to translate and for encouragement. I had no POA but eventually offered a medical proxy form which was new to me. Even though I had just earned a BA business Health Care Services degree, I had somehow missed a lot of info. But nothing prepared me for the inconsistencies I witnessed with the care provided to my relatives, the life and care of the disabled, Elder law, Probate, HIPPA, the history and present day path of destruction in caregiving, , and the ego maniac's role in healthcare rationalization, and corporate greed wherein I witnessed how creating high risk members generated three different streams of payments from Medicaid on just one member. As members got sicker, health plans got richer. In 2016 my Mom fell ill she stroked out during a back surgery. The surgeons never told me and never woke her after a 12 hour surgery planned for half that time. That first hospitalization was a preqursor of the predictability, the level of vigilance I would need, the level of deception I would be subjected to because of my own lack of knowledge, and the courage I had to command as I called upon my own 45 years of having assisted various professionals including ARNPs teaching and hospital personnel. I began to read more and observe, and assess and hold onto signed documents they'd left with me, as these people put themselves and their absence of morals and ethics put themselves under scrutiny repeatedly. Your are correct, however, I called state agencies a lot from 2015 or so through 2019, even the governor, because somebody was always not responding to questions or grievances. It was so adverse that after a new governor got elected and retained some staff from previous gov, I overheard the same voice from years before In the background coaching the new person on how to outsmart me, play on my lack of knowledge, my sadness and my lack of courage and get off of the phone without helping me. But this time I understood how cold and heartless they were and I had just buried my aunt with both legs cut off after I had called them for help three years before and after they cut off each leg and after she died. So i vowed to never back down again, and that civil servant got administrators responding immediately after that. But a couple years later, those same administrators flagged me in their system and came after me and my family member. So Im saying get your own caregiver team, and hopefully a provider who is not egotistical and dependent. It's up to us to change things. Lots of channels to complain, but after about 7 out of 7 state agencies cleared the NH or whomever, I know that a major legislative overhaul is in order and health plans are giants and the illness of Americans made them rich not wellness, and they could crush me. But I may as well give it my best effort to change things since it could happen to me as well or yourself and there would be no one left to fight for us. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/martin-niemoeller-first-they-came-for-the-socialists
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Report to the State Nursing Home board.
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My sister was neglected, poor hygiene, staff ordered extra meds not on her chart and did not run by me-POA. Food was horrid, sis lost 30 pounds-20 in one month. I asked for weight check info was told her admitting weight. Aide standing next to me when I asked agreed this was not correct. They did not give sis her bath, did not give me any believable info about sis multiple falls, or other injuries. Sis got a raging case of scabies from this place/staff and did nothing about it before it covered her body. This place was horrid. I could not bring her home, my own family member was in a health crisis at the same time. I spent 6 months looking for a new place. Because sis had been combative-very few will accept in the first place and staff member wrote in the chart I had screamed at her-not true ever-we kept getting rejected over and over for other options elsewhere which I knew there had to be some reason I was not aware of or given the opportunity to clarify or refute. I have filed a complaint with the state after sis was moved-due to covid not sure they are doing much about the complaint. Nursing manger lied to me and others too about giving care I know did not happen. I was terrified of retaliation as sis would not be able to tell me who or when stuff could have happened-i feel certain retaliation would have happened-maybe not physical but certainly could have with held meds, food, water, clean clothes etc I would have no way to prove it. This place was horrible inspite of a good reputation. An ombudsman contacted me after and said they are only able to verify policies etc are in place as required. They can not apply any legal actions or fines to the place or people that mistreated or neglected the resident. I am glad we got out in the nick of time I hate to think about the way the residents are living now that family can not check on them in person-un announced etc. other post suggest you contact the facility director-one occasion director did admit her team dropped the ball when they did not provide an immediate clean up when someone defecated on the couch and floor in my sister's room. The upper management is nearly invisible to find out who owns the property who is the CEO etc. They want to be hidden for a reason. I only found out after we moved when the guy was on TV boasting about the fabulous job they were doing to stop covid-really I seriously doubt that-they are simply not reporting the numbers, family is out of the loop since they can not see their person when they become ill.
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bkburden Nov 2020
We have got to stand up for our loved ones, because if we don't no one else will. They have absolutely no right to treat people the way they do. The law states they must have standard of care. From what you wrote, she did not. They need to be reported ASAP.
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There are rights that you have as a person that brings abuse to light. You can get hold of a company called, FATE 916-481-8558
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Yes. report it.
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Report it at once.
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