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My 89 yo mother has gone downhill over the past year and is now entirely incapable of doing much without help. I try to empower her to do as much as she can. Her mobility has been an issue but her executive functioning is way worse. Over the past several months, she has lied to me and my sister on many occasions. She has deceived a caregiver into bringing her ice cream when she is not supposed to eat it or she will end up in the Emergency room. Please don't tell me to let her eat ice cream. I need help understanding her lies about it. When I ask why she lies to me she says she doesn't know. When I tell her that if she gets neighbors and visitors to bring her ice cream behind my back, it's ME that has to stay up all night with her and I'm too old for that. She apologizes but I have my doubts as to the sincerity of the apology. Why does she lie? Is this a strange aspect of dementia?

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With dementia there is no reasoning with her. She has her "truth" and that is it.
YOU need to instruct hired Caregivers as to what they need to do. What mom can have to eat. They are to follow YOUR instructions not your mom's.
You must also tell your/ her neighbors that she is not to be given...and give them a list of things that she should not have. OR make it REAL easy and just tell the neighbors that they can no longer bring or give her ANY food.
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kpkb59 Nov 2021
That's helpful. "No reasoning with her" feels like reality. Thank you, I'll keep up the rule-setting and try to shrug off the lies/deceit from her (she flat out denied asking a friend to bring her ice cream but when confronted, she later admitted she did it. Thankfully, the friend let me know.). I know it's probably dementia, but it seems so crafty!! It's not part of who she used to be.
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She IS NOT lying. She has dementia and her truth is her truth. She likely has no idea she is not to eat ice cream. Have you talked with caregivers about this? Have you checked to see what frozen treat options there are th a t would be ok for her to eat?

According to your profile mom lives alone. What plans are in place to get mom the help she may already need? Are her caregivers 24/7?
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kpkb59 Nov 2021
She tells me she knows it's wrong when she asks people to bring ice cream but she does it anyway! Yes, lives alone but I'm a few houses away. Caregiver (1) is morning and I'm the rest of the day and night. It's a lot. She has a gaping wound on her buttock from surgery last month so I have to stay in attendance to help that heal (which it is, but slowly). She has infected teeth that need extraction and skin cancer that needs excision. All of her medical problems, including anemia, are from decades of poor diet, which we've fixed except for the sneaky ice cream issue. I hope to get all this fixed and find a nice home for her. I want to be her daughter, not her task master. Is that possible?
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You need to learn all you can about dementia so you'll understand that your mother's brain isn't working properly anymore. Her lies are how she interprets the truth. She'll say whatever she needs to say to get her way; if she wants ice cream, she'll lie and do whatever is necessary to get it! So, like Grandma said, the caregivers need to understand she's not to have it, under any circumstances, and that's that. Post a big sign in the kitchen that "Your Mom's Name is NOT to Have Ice Cream Under Any Circumstances".

As far as you 'understanding her lies about it', lying goes with the territory with dementia and is also known as confabulation. They start creating stories to fit the scenario that's going on in THEIR minds. My mother has advanced dementia and thinks my son (who's 36) is a baby and she's his babysitter. So she makes up stories that she has to come over to my house to babysit him at 6 pm b/c my husband and I are 'going to the movies' and he needs a sitter. No matter what I say to her, SHE believes she's right and I'm wrong. Is she 'lying' to me? Not really; she's suffering dementia and truly believes the scenario she's made up in her mind. It's not her fault she's got a broken brain, either, but it DOES irritate me that I keep having to deal with her stories and her screaming and carrying on about HER reality and what she THINKS is going on all the time. It's a no-win situation for ALL concerned, dementia is, and it sucks. No matter how I try to convince her of the truth about certain things, it falls on deaf ears and she's convinced of the lies she's made up in her own mind, ie: that her siblings are all alive (they're all dead) and have just abandoned her and won't speak to her anymore. I'd love to be able to convince her otherwise, but it ain't happenin. When dementia is present, they get an idea stuck in their head and it cannot be chopped out of there with an AXE. #Truth

Go to Alz.org and read up about dementia (they talk about Alzheimer's but it's all pretty much the same thing) and pick up a copy of The 36 Hour Day which is a great reference book on the subject. It will answer a lot of questions for you about what to do in certain situations. Also watch some Teepa Snow videos on YouTube; she's a dementia expert who's funny & entertaining as well as extremely informative on how to get a stubborn dementia sufferer to do what you NEED them to do.

Wishing you the best of luck with a difficult situation. Dementia is truly a hateful and horrible disease which I hate with every ounce of my being.
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kpkb59 Nov 2021
THANK YOU, all good helpful messages here. I'll dig into more learning. She's cleverly can pass all the neuropsych tests but she is definitely suffering decay in her brain that they are not detecting. It's plain as day for me.
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Forget about rule setting, she will always forget and you will only get angry and frustrated. There are many things that cannot be controlled with dementia.
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She lies, only I'd say "lies," about the ice cream because it's something she likes and enjoys and there's not much else left to her, and if she doesn't "lie" about it then she has to do without.

Here's the issue: if you set up a rule system that someone finds intolerable, she will try to get round it. Wouldn't you?

I suggest you find an acceptable alternative to the forbidden ice cream. You don't say what the medical problem with it is, but there are so many good quality substitutes on the market for so many different dietary restrictions that surely you can find her a safe treat.

Your mother is 89 years old. Her poor diet has got her this far, so it seems very unlikely that her health issues are all attributable to that over and above her advanced age.
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Why can’t she have ice cream?
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Mistake #1 -- Asking to understand anything that a dementia patient says or thinks. Logic and reason are gone now, so stop trying to understand.

She just wants some control over her life, and she doesn't have the competence to understand the whys of how ice cream will make her sick. You need to make it clear to her co-conspirators that she absolutely cannot have ice cream and HERE'S WHY. Those are the people for whom logic and reasoning will work. Simply bypass Mom completely on this discussion.

Can she have any of what I call "weeds and bushes" ice cream -- made of soy or some other non-dairy thing, or is the sugar part of the issue? Try to find at least some kind of treat that she would like, because life's no fun if you're stuck eating brussels sprouts and broccoli.
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This is a battle you may not be able to win. Accept that people may continue to bring her food that is not conducive to her health but makes her feel happy. Dementia appears to be a slow process, you can see it but many may perceive it as just the aging process. Stay strong and accept there may be things out of your control. It's hard, but there are many going thru the same process. Spend quality time and dont be hard on yourself for things that may be out of your control.
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I think the best you can do is make sure everyone on 'the team' -- you, sis, caregivers, maybe neighbors, too -- has the same plan. Inform any new carers about the deception tendency (I'm sure they've seen this behavior and much more) and medical needs, including nutrition needs or restrictions. "My mom may ask you for X but please don't provide for her." I had to do this with my dad and alcohol because two different caregivers provided access to alcohol when he had a catheter and chronic infections from it. Without written orders that said "no alcohol," I guess they thought it was fine.

Getting in front of the behavior -- as best you can -- seems a better approach than responding to your mom's decline by trying to change her understanding afterwards, or you accepting/coping with it. If you can preclude some challenges that come up in the future then you save yourself the wear-and-tear of chasing after them. Acceptance of some things would help -- like accepting that your mom is doing what her broken brain tells her to do.
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Afree making it perfectly clear to the caregivers that mom can't have ice cream, I would tape a note to the front door saying,
"Due to serious health issues, no ice cream is allowed in this house. Thank you for understanding".
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