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My MIL went into AL in March 2021 reluctantly. She was living in a hoarder house, and suffering from hallucinations, delusions and mental illness as well as the beginnings of dementia. My FIL passed 8 months previously and a cousin would bring groceries. She thought her house was haunted. She wanted to move in with us, but she has a teacup Yorkie that is not house trained. Her house smelled horrible. We had a dog that was aggressive and didn’t want her dog in our nice home nor my MIL who fights at the drop of a hat.


She wanted to live with us, but she abused DH verbally for about 15 years prior to his father’s death and had told her years earlier that she would never live with him.


Grace took the dog with her to AL, where it continues to pee and poop in her one room apartment. Initially, she was good about cleaning up. Her mental condition deteriorated and we were unable to take her to the neurologist because she would have insisted on taking the dog with her. She is afraid of losing the dog.


Grace no longer allows people to enter her apartment regularly to clean and assist her and the AL wants dog walkers to come or the dog removed. It is obvious that she isn’t able to care for the dog anymore.


Grace is aggressive and will attack people. The dog will bark excessively, but is generally harmless. Having dog walkers come in isn’t practical in this case. Either Grace & the dog are out or the dog goes.


DH would like to take the Yorkie to a no kill shelter and is waiting to hear back before retrieving the dog.


The issue is how to retrieve the dog from the room without causing his mother to attack him. Her rage would make her very strong, even at almost 90. The AL will provide someone to distract Grace while DH retrieves the dog.

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Grace should not be in Assisted Living. She is far too advanced in her condition to be in ALF where most people are more or less self care. I cannot imagine an ALF where they will not go into a room of a hoarder because that person doesn't want someone to go in the room. That is truly frightening.

The dog should never have gone into ALF with Grace. So , yes, however the dog is removed it should be removed and placed in a shelter. Then it should be explained to Grace that she is unable to care for the dog, and it has gone to another home. I am sorry. This is a lot of grief, but then life is nothing BUT grief when dealing with hoarding.

I am afraid that memory care of nursing home, likely with medication, is the next step you will have to prepare yourselves for.

This is all a terrible tragedy, and I am so very sorry.
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Maybe tell her the dog needs to have mandated vaccinations in order for it to stay there and it's being taken to the vet. You'll have to outnumber her. Take 2 aids, guys if possible. Maybe someone shows up with a rented carpet cleaner, too. Moreover, sounds like Grace needs meds for anxiety and/or should be checked for a UTI. I wish you a good outcome for all involved.
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Here is an update. One of the staff is willing to take the dog. Grace is my husband’s mother, is extremely difficult, doesn’t have a doctor. The one who was the best died of old age.

She has been receiving care from doctors who come in and her room is filthy and smells horrendously.

Husband doesn’t want to help at all. He was so happy to get her into AL and leave her. Grace thought it would temporary. The AL told us to lie to her as well. We can’t take now as our home is being remodeled. The space she would have occupied, is not acceptable for an 89 year old, who has all these mental problems and a dog that pees and poops everywhere inside. She needs services we can not provide her.

She was told the dog was a primary reason she couldn’t live with us, but another is that she refuses to go back to the doctor and fights everyone. She has a lot of medical and psychiatric problems, mostly the focus on the dog and that she is afraid someone is going to break in and attack her. (Part of her delusions and hallucinations). She used to call 911 every day.

I reminded him that he does have a responsibility to her and that he should help to remove the dog. He doesn’t want to be physically attacked.

I told him to tell her that her neighbors are complaining (true) and her apartment needs deep cleaning. The dog needs to go to the groomer and the vet for a checkup afterwards, but she needs to stay to make sure her apartment is ok. While he is talking with her, or while the staff is talking with her the dog is whisked out of the apartment.

After this occurs, I told him that she needs to move to the locked memory care section on the second floor so she doesn’t leave looking for the dog. He will need to reach out to them on Monday. This is another reason he needs to be there.

We’ll find out more tomorrow.
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Cemay1 Oct 2023
Back in March, we were also told that once the dog is gone, that she would go downhill quickly. We were very reluctant to remove the dog because of that reason. She was still able to clean up after it to some extent, allowed people in her room to clean, and was somewhat cooperative.

Since then her one remaining sister died, and Grace probably realizes at this point that she isn’t leaving. I just hope that she can find a little peace and not be so angry when the dog is gone.
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Strictly pertaining to the dog… is there a Yorkie rescue organization in your area? Google “Yorkie rescue [your state or city]”. Breed rescue folks have a lot of experience with traumatized, dislocated dogs with behavioral issues and would give the dog her best shot at a placement and a good life, rather than a shelter. I went through this with my mom’s Italian Greyhound when she could no longer care for her, and the state rescue group was priceless in helping. Good luck; this sounds like a total nightmare. I’m sorry.
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olddude Oct 2023
Unfortunately, if the dog is as aggressive as OP stated, it will probably not be adoptable, and will probably be euthanized. You can't just keep an unsocial animal in a small cage for the rest of their life.
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How to remove the damned yappy pooping dog!?? Welll, we have (mis)quoted the classic Paul Simon song here many times…those good ol ‘“Fifty Ways…”

Put it in a crate, Kate!
Give it to a friend, Lynn!
Maybe euthanize, Lize…

…seriously, I’d be more concerned for the little Yorkie (though I am no fan of that little rat-sized breed) than for the crazy old lady. Get it rehomed, and let her scream until she wears herself out. Sheesh.
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olddude Oct 2023
She has to sleep sometime.
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1. I think Grace should be in Memory Care not AL.
Talk to Grace's doctor about medication for the anger, anxiety.
2. The dog needs to go in for Rabies, Parvo, Distemper and whatever else will get the dog to the Vet.
3. Tell Grace you will get the dog groomed as well. (this will take several hours and you will bring the dog back when it is done.)

Now use any of these....
*The dog had a reaction to one of the vaccines and needs to stay overnight at the Vet.
*The groomer found that the dog has fleas and the flea dip will take longer.

Medicating Grace will help because she will become more agitated when the dog does not return.
With the dog gone a good cleaning of her apartment ... and think about a move from AL to MC.
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anonymous1732518 Oct 2023
Grace still has some fight in her.
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Time for the therapeutic fibs!

Dog needs to see the vet for (fill in the blank). Have vet precsribe something to calm the dog and MIL's dr something to calm HER.

Remove dog and hand over to new owners.

Stall out MIL as long as possible. During that time, perhaps look into some much more aggressive care for HER. ANd definitely get the apartment clean--hire it done if you can. Your MIL will fight you tooth and nail on this, but it's past the point of being a 'small nuisance'. Don't her neighbors complain about a yappy dog?

Good Luck!
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We asked about meds. They said no.

I told my husband is very reluctant and resistant in dealing with her.

I asked him to talk with the ALF about moving Grace directly to memory care after the dog is removed. This discussion should occur before the dog is removed. My fear is that she will make a big scene and one way to distract her is to move her to memory care while the dog is being removed. She would then not be able to pursue the dog as she would be locked in that section. I can think of a # of excuses to move her there. She rarely leaves her room as it is.

I want him to ask about providing more assistance with her neurological issues once she is transferred to MC. Grace is strong enough when angry to hurt someone. It is inappropriate to respond back at her age with the same force. My husband is 68 and I am 61. We have no desire to be on the receiving end of her physical attacks, as are the rest of the employees of the ALF/memory care area.

Since Grace is self-pay, I think they would be more than happy to move her.
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Is MIL not on any psych meds?

It does not make any sense to me to leave a delusional, paranoid, physically out of control patient with meds to even out her mood or tame the psychic demons who are tormenting her.
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Cemay1 Oct 2023
She refuses to take medication and what puzzles me is why it isn’t put in her food or that the facility insist that she take the meds. If she.did, I don’t think she’d be in this mess.
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I understand where DH is coming from. My brothers put their heads in the sand. One even said he couldn't see Mom that way. But, its OK that I had to see her that way all the time. And because I probably would have cried all the time, I hardened myself to the situation. I just did what had to be done in Moms best interest. She really had no say because she was no longer able to make those decisions. Your husband needs to take over. Mom needs to see a doctor and it should be a Neurologist. She needs to be medicated. Her being like this is not good for her either.

If your husband wants to wash his hands of her, then maybe Long-term care is the answer. She will be totally taken care of. There is a doctor affiliated with the home. Round the clock Nurses. She gets her meals, her toiletries, laundry done, socialization, depends, and care. You may only need to supply clothing. When her money runs out, there is Medicaid. You just visit.
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