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For context, my parents, 83 and 85, both have Alzheimer's, dementia, and memory loss. Their symptoms have increasingly worsened over the last decade. In addition, my father has anxiety, paranoia, and wanders. My mother has high levels of frustration and will hit herself in the head when she becomes agitated. They both have sundowning syndrome, which makes things worse. Their short-term memory is almost non-existent, but long-term memories remain fairly well intact. My father has also been found wandering the streets after midnight wearing nothing more than a Depends. They live in Illinois and have my older brother providing caregiving. (He has already procured legal paperwork (Without really discussing this with other family members) to get a General POA, Medical POA, Trustee, and Executor of the Will. (This is a separate issue I will most likely have to deal with at a later date.) My wife and I live in Virginia and have been unable to travel back to Illinois for 12 years. The issue is that my father has owned many firearms, some passed down from generation to generation. Among them, several shotguns, rifles, and handguns. There are easily more than 10 in total. They are locked in a gun safe in his bedroom with the ammunition. He supposedly retains the key as I have been told. I currently have 3 older brothers, all of whom have felony convictions, one of which may be ending his 30 year sentence in about 10 days to be potentially released. (Another issue I don't need to get into right now). I am retired military and a 100% disabled vet. I have no felony convictions or drug problems. My nephew, who was the primary caregiver for years, violated his felony probation and will be sentenced to prison later this month. No family members, besides myself, have a driver's license. This has led to many missed/cancelled/rescheduled doctor's appointments for my parents. (again, another story there). The only other close family member is a niece who lives not far from them. But she works as a nurse full time and has a family. She also recently within the past 18 months lost her father (my brother), and her father in law, and she has been dealing with that. I have brought this up to her as a concern many times over the past 6 months, and she agrees that the firearms should be removed. It's time to retire the guns and hunting. But has taken no action. I have talked to the police in town and they too agree that the weapons should be removed from the premises and secured. Another issue with this is control of family assets. My brother has stepped in and basically claimed everything as his, taking possession of vehicle titles, taking inventories, and going through every nook and cranny looking for valuables, jewelry, safe combinations, stocks, checks, loose cash, etc. (He too has mental health issues, paranoid delusions, schizophrenia, long-term drug abuse, alcohol abuse, inhalant abuse (huffing canned air), with moderate brain damage and inability to express clear thoughts through communication. He has convinced himself and my parents that others are stealing from them. (My father was also a hoarder and would "collect" anything. American Pickers Frank Fritz had literally been to their home.)So what should the best course of action be?I am not some gun nut. (Yes, I served 22 years in the military, 2 different branches, and have fired many weapons over the years as well as served as unit armorer and range NCO/safety for dozens if not hundreds of quals. But I have never actually owned a firearm. I am literally the most qualified in my family to even own firearms. (not to mention the only one who can legally own one, other than my niece, but I think she wants to keep guns out of her home and away from her young son). These firearms have little to no sentimental value to me, so I am not trying to jump on the inheritance early. I have simply kept distant and expressed no interest in being involved as the family has had their issues. Advice?

What a nightmare scenario! I’m so sorry, for all of it. Also grateful you’ve escaped the madness and built a solid life for yourself. Have you reported the situation of your parents as two elders with dementia in a gun filled, unsafe home, including the wandering, and questionable caregiving from a mentally ill family member? I’d think it’s worth reporting and re-reporting if needed. Your parents need a safe environment despite not being able to see or understand that. Some lawyers offer a free consultation appointment, this might be advisable to see if there are ways to best proceed given the supposed legal documents your sibling claims. Again, I’m sorry, I have a difficult sibling (been dealing with some of his crazy just today) and know some of the frustration, but you seem to have it coming from all sides. I wish you peace in the storm
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From an AI query:

"In Illinois, there is a legal mechanism specifically designed for this situation, and it can result in police removing the firearms even if your father refuses.
The two most relevant paths are FOID revocation / Clear and Present Danger reporting and a Firearms Restraining Order (Illinois’ version of a red-flag law).

1. Illinois Firearms Restraining Order (FRO) – Fastest Way
Illinois allows a Firearms Restraining Order under the Illinois Firearms Restraining Order Act.

This allows a judge to order police to remove firearms from someone who poses a danger to themselves or others.

Who can file:

Family members
Household members
Law enforcement
You do not need your father’s permission.

What the judge considers Evidence such as:

Dementia diagnosis
Paranoia or delusions
Unsafe behavior
Threats or fear of harm
Access to firearms
What happens if granted

Police will:

Serve the order
Seize the firearms
Remove the FOID card
Store the weapons

Emergency orders can be issued within 24 hours without the person present.

2. “Clear and Present Danger” Report (Very Common in Illinois)
Illinois has a mental-health firearm reporting system tied to the Illinois State Police and the Firearm Owner's Identification Card Act.

If someone reports that a gun owner is a “clear and present danger,” the state police can:

Revoke the FOID card
Require surrender of firearms
Reports can be made by:

Family members
Doctors
Police
Therapists
Social workers

Once the FOID is revoked, the firearms must legally be removed from the home.

3. Adult Protective Services (Strongly Recommended)
Because both parents have dementia, you can contact Illinois Adult Protective Services.

APS can:

Investigate the caregiving situation
Evaluate safety risks
Work with police to remove firearms

Evaluate whether the caregiver is appropriate. This is particularly important because:

The brother is a felon.
Under Illinois law, a felon cannot possess firearms or ammunition.
If he has access to the safe or control of the guns, law enforcement may treat that as illegal possession.

4. Police Welfare Check
You can also call the local police department or sheriff where they live and explain:

Both parents have dementia and paranoia
There are multiple firearms
A felon caregiver lives in the home
Police can document the situation and sometimes initiate the restraining order themselves."
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In Illinois, in order to legally possess a firearm or ammunition, you must apply for a Firearm Owners Identification Card (FOID) which is issued by the Illinois State Police.

Do you know if your dad has a valid FOID?

The Illinois State PD are the ones I would contact to find out how to get these guns legally *** AND SAFELY*** removed from your dad's home. They should also be able to tell you if dad has a current FOID and if so, how to get it revoked.

Bear in mind, if he has these guns illegally, that is, without the proper licensing, then there is the possibility he could be arrested.
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I grew up with a father who was a gun designer. We had guns in the house as kids but never really knew about it because they were stored in bits and pieces throughout the house. Since his profession was well known he thought keeping them in a safe would attract thiefs. How would it work to disable the guns by removing pieces? Sort of like disabling the car when someone wants to keep driving, but is deemed unsafe? I know this is a sort of weird idea and wouldn't work if the guns are frequently used, because someone would notice there are parts missing. It may work, however, if they are just kept in the cabinet and no one ever gets them out to clean or use them. I t may also work if you have a dementia person in the house who won't give up the guns and wouldn't even know if they had been tampered with.
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waytomisery 7 hours ago
I never understood locked gun cabinets with a glass door . Just break the glass.
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Maybe I watch too many shows about this kind of thing, but wouldn't a felon in their home be enough reason for LEO to remove all weapons.
Could you contact a detective in the PD and have them monitor him/them and or even ATF.
I'm not sure, just my thoughts on the situation.
I hope you get this figured out.
And just to add im sorry you have to deal with the brother who has POA, he should step up and do the right thing. Family, gotta love em, nope.
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Slartibartfast 8 hours ago
True, especially if anyone is still on parole being in a house with firearms is probably a violation.
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I think I would call the police again and maybe a lawyer and ask what else can be done about the firearms . Tell them the other family members are felons.
I don’t blame your niece for not wanting to be involved, your brothers sound scary .

To be honest , as far as your brother taking over POA etc and brainwashing your parents , it’s very sad , but does happen .
But it’s an expensive battle for guardianship that you could likely lose.

I would call APS and report your parents as vulnerable elders and let them handle it . You could also call your parent’s County Area Agency of Aging.

I commend you in trying to do the right thing regarding the firearms.
I also understand why you have kept a distance from your family . Don’t feel like you have to step in regarding placing your parents because they aren’t going to listen to you anyway. Let the chips fall where they may with that . Let APS and Area Agency of Aging handle it.

There likely won’t be any inheritance anyway. Your brother will have taken it all . You don’t want to be POA in this mess anyway because of the already missing money etc . It would be a nightmare that you don’t want to deal with over the Medicaid lookback.

Your hands are really tied. You have no power . You really can not help your parents. This is a case where APS , a state appointed government guardian who is not family would have a better chance intervening than you would.

The situation is your parents’ own doing for not planning better and not assigning a more responsible person to be their POA etc ahead of time. You can’t fix that . This is on your parents. Unfortunately , not everything can be fixed.
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Perhaps an out of the box idea but what if you traveled to their home and installed a new gun safe that only you have the combination to and moved all the guns into it and then left. Guns wouldn't have to be transported and you wouldn't have to store them. Dad could watch you put them into the safe and would feel he was retaining ownership without any of your motley crew having actual access to them.

FWIW it sounds like time to move your parents to memory care and sell the home and assets using an estate liquidator, but with brother in charge that's probably a non starter. Unfortunately for all of you.
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armynurse70 17 min ago
Traveling would only be an option if I had my oldest daughter involved and willing to drive up. (She lives 6 hours south of me). It's the cost that's the issue as we are just making ends meet. I could get a home equity loan... That would give me access to $60k to hire lawyers to contest things. Thing is. My brother isn't intelligent or mentally well. None of my brothers can be trusted. Which also means... None of them trust me. Mind you, I leave them all alone. My issue is. My brother was looking into my parent's assets the week he moved out of the home with his girlfriend (of 20 years, who he still sees many times a week). He has stated (on Ring cam) that he wants to sell the in town lot, and how he will inherit the in town home and farm. (3 properties total). He basically thinks in his head that everything comes to him because he is next in line. I just want them to have a live in caregiver while they are both alive. My brother thinks transferring everything into a trust makes it so Medicare will cover nursing home expenses. (He doesn't understand the 5 year look back period). Basically. My parents had piss poor planning and were too busy to fix things before they lost their cognition. (I and my niece are nurses. They picked my brother to be the medical poa 30 years ago.) Makes zero sense.
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You have spoken with the police with your concern and they agreed that firearms should be taken away BUT did they guide you on how this should happen? Seems to me that you have done due diligence and it is now the responsibility of the POA. If the POA refuses to get involved then call the police and express your immediate concern and what legally they can do to remove the guns.
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armynurse70 1 min ago
The POA is concerned with assets and protecting them. He hates that Ring cams were installed in the home and will mess with them constantly. His delusions are that people are stealing from the other property where many possessions are stored and stated he wants to install ADT alarm system there. This tells you a lot. That he cares more about property than he does someone being able to see if our parents have fallen or wandered off. (Mind you, I have not been to Illinois in 12 years. I do not know what property is left. I have never asked my parents about their assets. I haven't asked them for a dime in 30 years. The last time they ever came to see me together while I was in the military was 30+ years ago. I did fly my mom to Hawaii to see me and to Washington. Anyways... Their minds aren't all there and they do not know me. (basically, I am one of their boys and am one of the sons who is just like the others. All needing money all the time, hooked on drugs, and cannot be trusted.) The POA would see me coming in as a way to steal dad's guns. He sees them as $$$. I see them as a risk. FYI, The other safe in the home apparently has like $50k in cash inside and a Will from many years back. But nobody knows where the combo is. Again. They planned poorly.
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Cal, the police in their area and ask how to handle this. They maybe able to get a warrent and take the guns out. You have very good reasons to want these guns out.

Also, your parents need to be placed.
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