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My mother is 62, and unfortunately due to her exit seeking behavior she is not a candidate for AL. I have found a MC facility that accepts Medicaid and has an available bed.
Her MLTC case manger, her social worker, and medical team have been trying to get me to rethink MC given her age she is 65 and how active she is they feel memory care will limit her quality of life since her needs can be met in the community. Issue is Medicaid is being stingy with homecare hours, and it legit is not safe for her to be alone.
I feel as if people are making me out to be a monster. I am an only child and work sometimes upwards of 80 hour weeks. I cannot focus on work and my mother. I am a chemical engineer at my age requesting a lighter work load is career suicide.
Any suggestions as to what I should do? Should I follow medical advise and waif to place my mom?

Follow the advice of her medical team. The social worker can assist in helping you with the necessary paperwork for memory care. The propensity to elope or wander can be dangerous in a less secured environment. There was a woman who was in a facility not far from where I live who wandered away and got lost. Her body was found some months later. Unfortunately, she wandered away in the dead set of winter without any winter apparel.

You said not working less the eighty hours a week would be career suicide. You don't want to damage your career. However, I'm wondering how is this actually working for you. Do you have any time for yourself?
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Troubledson00 Dec 7, 2024
Their advice is to not place her and keep her in the community with me filling out the gaps. I am the one that wishes to put her in MC.

Correction sorry did not see I put 65, she is 62.
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Her social worker and case manager should be aware that it is not safe for her to be alone at home. Are they prepared to provide coverage for all of the hours you can't be home? Simply tell them you are not able to take on any caregiving responsibility for up to 80 hours a week.. What is their plan for those hours when you are not available? What is their answer?
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Troubledson00 Dec 7, 2024
They have claimed they can help me get more home care coverage but it will take time. Idk if this is common or not.
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I had to place my cousin, who was 63 at the time, into MC. I couldn’t work and care for her too. I wonder if those people you describe who recommend home care understand the reality of the matter. I prepared a list of all the behavior. It was helpful. Unless they could provide 24/7 care, how is home care feasible? People with dementia can eat non food items, wander from the home, repeatedly call for help due to confusion and delusions, suffer hallucinations, stay up all night, etc. Best of luck in getting this sorted. I might get an attorney consult so you know your rights and responsibilities. Just in case you need backup.
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mstrbill Dec 7, 2024
As long as he doesn't agree to take responsibility for her and tell the social worker he will provide supervision when he can't, he can't be held liable. Noone can be forced into a caregiving position.
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Your MLTC team is prioritizing community setting care over
institutional setting care. Usually, that is a less expensive option and the one the patient prefers. It’s not the case in your situation. Are you sure AL is out of the question? If so, hold your ground about not being able to be her primary caregiver. If she meets the criteria for memory care then Medicaid can approve 24/7 in home coverage or facility care. This is for your mom’s safety and yours too. You are not a monster.
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I don't see what age has to do with this; you posted under "Alzheimer's and dementia" and if your mother has this she will not live to see old age. Her brain has already been taken from her active body. I think that the Social Worker and medical team should KNOW BETTER. But then we must always remember that they are taught to preserve life ongoing no matter what.

Your mom, should she actually make an exit, is in MORE and not less danger, because she's exit-seeking, and when she DOES get out to the streets she'll not be seen as an elder with dementia but as a drunk or crazy person; and she'll be ignored and in grave danger.

Early onset is hideous and it is sad, but it is there and your mother has it. And she isn't going to live to her 80s. And her mind is gone to the extent that activity for her body is at this point meaningless. There's no point to keep her body healthy and active. Why? For what reason when there is no mind left and our minds are us? To prolong her torment? More doctors and social workers need to be told that it is cruel to make attempts to keep people in your mom's state alive; that there are many things worse than death and one of them is being robbed of your mind and of all you are. The next is being forced to live that out endlessly like a bad dream that never stops.

As to what others think? Next opinions you get from people who feel they simply MUST tell you their own or overheard opinions, do tell them to come see you when their elder has early onset dementia. You can tell them you'll have a lovely talk over tea at that time.

Because of aging population and increasing populations with dementia we are seeing some changes. My brother's So Cal ALF 5 years ago began intermediate care cottages with more staff and locked doors, but still with private rooms and more like ALF than MC. But the fact is that exit-seeking and early onset dementia has more to it than exit seeking, and more staff is needed. Soon there will be incontinence and other factors. The need to be fed for instance.

If you found care on Medicaid for your poor mom then good on you.
Stick to the Forum where you'll see people dealing with what you are dealing with, and tell the persons with all their good advice that you participate in a "support group" with people dealing with what you are dealing with, and depend upon them as they are more "in the know" than others who happily are not where you are.

I so wish you good luck. I am so sorry. I am so thankful your mom has your support.
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ElizabethAR37 Dec 13, 2024
Agreed! If mom is not able to live without supervision, she needs to be in a supervised living situation. That should not be rocket science to figure out. Mom's lifespan is not going to last into her 80s--fortunately. I SO concur that there are things worse than death. "Living" is one thing; "existing" is quite another.
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This surprises me and saddens me.
That a "care team" would not prioritize safety.
I would also like to think that a facility KNOWING of her exit seeking would NOT admit her as a resident in AL but insist on MC.
So...lets play this game...
You follow their suggestion and place mom in AL not in MC. One night she decides to go to the store to get a box of cookies and either gets lost, and wanders until she freezes to death or gets hit by a car.
You are the one that is plagued by "guilt" because you followed their suggestion.
They write it up and close the case on a "tragedy"
The facility is investigated because they admitted a resident into AL when they should have been in MC.

Go with what you think is right and the "care team" can document that they have suggested Al but you have chosen MC.
Better to be safe than sorry.
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I don't know why Medicaid seems to push the Community care thing. Seems your Mom needs 24/7 care that you cannot provide. Medicaid will never provide 24/7 Community care. You are lucky you have found a MC that takes Medicaid. Place her for your peace of mind. And as said, don't believe them when they say they can help.

SW cannot guarentee an aide won't show up. That Mom is safe in her home. Really, she is at home with an aide. MC there should be activities and socialization. I am not big on SWs. My experience has not been good. Get that Medicaid application started. Sorry, buts its not all about Mom anymore. You are young and need to take in consideration your limits and needs too. 65 is young for Dementia and may advance quickly. Enjoy your Mom by being the child who visits not the one who gets burnt out being a caregiver.

This team should be there to guide you jot tell you whatvyour going to do.
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mom2mepil Dec 13, 2024
You are absolutely right that your mom will not be safe living “in the community.” You can insist on placement in MC with a completely clear knowledge that it is what is best for her and for you. As others on this site have said, if the proposed caregiving situation isn’t working for EVERYONE (that means your mom AND YOU), then it isn’t working, period. Push for what YOU need in order to keep your mom safe and enable yourself to remain healthy and functional.
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The claims of help will not materialize, certainly not around the clock to keep your mother safe. Memory care is the safe and kindest option. Sorry you’re facing this with your mother at her young age, wishing peace for you both
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"...her needs can be met in the community."

and by community, they mean you — and in reality, only you.

Tell them no and just keep saying no.

Also, how is her MC going to be paid for? Not by you, I hope? Hopefully Medicaid will be paying for it? If I were in your shoes I'd place her asap so that you can resume your life and not have to worry about where your Mom is and what she's doing, or if the Medicaid in-home aids showed up, etc.
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Fact: I worked in a Memory Care Assisted Living facility and we had 2 women in their late 50s or early 60s with dementia living there. Their husbands worked full time and were unable to care for them at home, period. The women did FINE in Memory Care, had friends and socialized.

Dementia is a lose lose situation for all concerned. You cannot care for mother at home nor is it safe. The social service people are liars and not living the nightmare THEMSELVES. Just giving false promises of More Help At Home and yada yada. What do YOU do when The Help doesn't show up last minute? Or mom is having a blowout at 2am when you should be sleeping? Or she's up wandering and trying to get out of the house or cook at 3am?

Place your mother. Its the best of a bad situation, which is all you can expect with dementia. You'll be sad, she'll be sad, and everyone will cry. But she will be safe and fed and accounted for 24/7. You can visit her to your hearts content and keep her stocked up on her favorite snacks and pretty blouses.

Don't torture yourself over making the only wise decision you CAN make here. I'm sorry you, me, and millions of others are or were or will be faced with such dreadful decisions now and in the future. I hate dementia with every ounce of my being.
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Memory Care is to address the safety issues caused by her exit-seeking and inability to stay safely at home alone. It is not a prison; you and others (if you give your permission) can still take her out into the community for activities and socializing, when you can supervise her properly. You and others can also visit her in the facility. The facility will have activities she can participate in. You are doing what is reasonable and safe for her, so please don't feel guilty.
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Grab that bed while it’s available!
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The only way for mom’s needs to be met in the community is for you to manage the whole thing and sacrifice your career, not to mention yourself. Mom will get worse, not better. She needs memory care now. They’ll find plenty of activities for her to do, and she’ll be safe there. Go for it!
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You need to lay down the law. You have a demanding career, and granted your Mom is young, but the reality is she has some form of brain injury with resulting dementia. She is not wealthy, so her choices are limited. She is younger than most, but it happens to all ages.

Your mission is to get her where she needs to be, to be safe. Otherwise the State does it. You are young and frustrated with the system. Her medical team is playing you like a fiddle. You have various medical "professionals" giving you WEAK advice. They feel "memory care will limit her quality of life"...yet what about YOURS? How has "the Community" helped you so far? Their priority should be her safety! You already found a place you like available, and they have the nerve to attempt to stall her placement? What are they thinking?

You have no other help or siblings, so time to get firm about placement. Repeat these 2 facts as needed:
1. She is not safe alone at home, period.
2. You cannot be her 24/7 caregiver with your demanding job.

You are smart enough to know this is not a pleasant situation, but is required for Mom's safety. You are not a monster, and resent the insinuation that you are. You did not cause Mom's decline. What is so damn bad about placing Mom where she will have 24/7 care, be fed, kept clean and safe? She will be around other people, have activities, socialize, and her wandering behavior be prevented. You can advocate for her, instead of worry and stress out constantly.

The reality is caregiving your "active" Mom is a 24/7 job. She will only get worse. Wandering is extremely dangerous, and they all know it. Memory Care is not an insane asylum, it is a controlled care situation. She will be kept safe from wandering the streets, possibly getting abducted, or hit by a car. I've read numerous stories here, such as elder Mom was found a mile away on a winter night in their nightgown, shivering with hypothermia. You are calling police when you find her missing, you cannot concentrate on your living you need to earn, the stress is incredible. All these people want to do is guilt you with her caregiving and move on! It annoys me they all know better.

Don't buy the "her quality of life will suffer" speech. What about your quality of life? You are not placing Mom in prison. Get your argument ready, and stick to it. Nobody wins with dementia. Not your fault whatsoever. The goal is to keep Mom safe, or she won't have any quality of life!

Let them know you are also a professional in your field, and you aren't allowing them to guilt you or manipulate you into not placing your Mom. You expect them to do their jobs and assist with the Medicaid paperwork. Call a meeting to save time. You aren't going to allow further stalling on her placement.

You will be her #1 advocate, not her stressed out personal caregiver. Don't let their emotional blackmail interfere with this mission. YOU GOT THIS.
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Just my opinion, I would place her in MC as soon as possible. My sister has Lewy Body and has been in MC for 2 years now. She still tries to leave the facility. When I visit, she says we have to "go now"! She's up all night wandering. She has hallucinations and delusions. I know she's well cared for in MC, and the staff does a good job. It was the right decision for my sister and me. Best wishes to you.
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I would pick the option that is safest for my mom. Your mom will be safe in a MC facility. And, although she is active now, I am not sure that this should be your top consideration. She has a disease that will, regrettably, only continue to rob her of her bodily faculties. There is nothing you can do to turn back that cruel clock. And there is no guarantee that if you are her sole caregiver you will have the time and energy to continue to keep her active while working full time and ensuring that all her basic care needs are met.

And, you do also have to be mindful of your present and your future. The only way you could realistically provide your mom with the case she needs would likely be to quit your job. Without a job, how would you pay for your expenses, your healthcare, and your retirement? Sacrificing those things won't reverse the progression of your mom's disease.

Care teams will rarely prioritize caregiver well-being. You need to prioritize it in a way that respects your needs and your mom's. You could, for example, place her in a MC facility where she will likely be safer than unsupervised at home and visit her as often as you can and spend as much time as you can with her working on preserving her activity level.

Good luck!
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Tell them that she is in the best place for her needs, end of story. You tell them to not "ask" again because you are certain that other options are not in the best interest of your mother.

Do not let them make you believe community mediciad is going to provide the care your mother needs. You absolutely can not rely on community mediciad in this situation. There are too many call outs or no shows due to short staffing and crap pay.
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LoopyLoo Dec 13, 2024
She is absolutely NOT in the best place if she is a flight risk. Don’t discourage a MC you’ve never seen.
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She isn’t a candidate for AL because she’s a flight risk and therefore needs 24/7 supervision. She can’t afford that at home and you can’t provide it, what alternative do they suggest? I can’t think of another option, we got live in care for my mother finally but at that point it took 2 people to manage her so either my brother or I still needed to be there with the live in caregiver. We were able to swing that but she was in her 80’s (making us a little older than you) but that’s truly an anomaly and with or without your particular career you do not need to justify not being able to do it yourself!
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As a fellow only child, I hear you. I gave up a career as a university dean to be with my mom (I was tired of it anyway), but her mind is perfect. However, in your case, I would grab that bed. Entirely different situation. Don't let the clowns around you dissuade you--they may have an ulterior motive for you trying to keep her home as well.
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i hate to say this but what about your quality of life? This could go on for twenty years and this will destroy your life. Place her in MC and be grateful for the opening.
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Definitely put your mom into Memory care. She will be treated well. Also, if your mom is prescribed medication for Dementia, she may be well enough to go into assisted living.
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The mere fact that she is a flight risk requires 24/7 care. Grab that bed and don’t look back. This is a decision that must be made in light of you and your mother. They can find lots of activities for her there as you meet with them to plan her care with them. You can spend that money for home care worker to visit your mom and create activities with her at the care center.
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Yes, MC is the only option. It's not a 'maybe?' situation. 

A friend of mine just went through this with her mother. Mother lived alone, kept insisting she was fine and would not let any sitter or hired caregiver in her house. Children could not care for her 24/7 as they all have younger children. That, and she was slapping her kids, the cops, anyone who tried to help her. Was giving her money away to a leech boyfriend. Had to stop driving because she smashed her car into a light pole. Scariest part was she'd walk around her neighborhood in 90-degree heat, forget where she was, and walk up a busy street. She got into several strangers' cars (with lots of cash in her pockets) and thankfully they were all decent people who took her to the ER. 

After almost 2 years of this, her children got her into AL. It did not go well. AL could not make her stay in the building during the day. All they could do was call her daughter and tell her mom's on the run again. They hired a sitter and mom would yell and hit them. That, and daily sitters would cost $16,000 A MONTH! 

Mom is now in MC. She doesn't like it, but it is a great place, very clean, with attentive staff and lots of activities. She's safe from wandering and MC has doctors on staff to help with her severe anxiety. This has helped tremendously and stopped the violent behavior. Her children can relax a little knowing she's well cared for and safe.
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Troubledson00: I hope and pray that "the community" is not just you. Best of luck.
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If your mom is a flight risk, she needs a long term residential placement that can accommodate that. Usually this is memory care. However, if a facility can guarantee she will not be able to "escape," then try skilled nursing care or assisted living options.
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I feel so sorry for you and your Mom. The fact that your Mom is a flight risk is major. The fact that you are tasked to doing something about it is, not easy.

Is she aware that she is a flight risk? If not, depending upon her personality, you might want to share with her, that she is a flight risk and see what she thinks. If the issue is that she just cannot find her way back home and she is aware of it, would she be willing and remember to wear a "wearable device" (e,g, watch or phone) so that she can call someone if she becomes confused as to how to return home?

Is your Mom relatively mentally healthy other than her exit seeking behavior? That is so tough because most of the MC facilities have people who are much further along in their dementia than your Mom appears to be.

I don't know if this is possible. See if you can find a "group home" Where I live these are clusters of small buildings that have 24 x 7 staff, in a gated community. They usually have 8-10 people in a building. There are also some MCs where the people are more "able" than others. There are also some ALs that have manned entries 24 x 7. The problem is that I don't know if these accept Medicaid or only private pay.

Either way, you are in a difficult position. I wish you a lot of luck in your quest. Your Mom is lucky to have you.
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Tbh I am nit even sure I want to be her advocate. Been reading many posts and honestly being an advocate does not even seem all that less stressful.

Either way still in the process to get her placed. It appears it should be done sometime in January.
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Hothouseflower 13 hours ago
This is a hard thing to decide to do. I can sympathize with what you are going through.
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No. Place your mom. Trying to maintain her at home isn’t feasible. Those beds can be hard to find. Don’t give it up.
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